also, thanks for that. its nice getting praise from the one who knows everythingSabrblade wrote:
also, thanks for that. its nice getting praise from the one who knows everythingSabrblade wrote:
Who might that be? It ain't me, for sure, and anyone who says otherwise ain't speakin' no truth.shajaki wrote:its nice getting praise from the one who knows everything
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ha! just giving credit where credits dueSabrblade wrote:How I wish you had spoken up when this news was posted - http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-legends-new-episode-beast-machines/31119/
These arguments for Rattrap and Silverbolt could have potentially silenced or swayed the naysayers.Who might that be? It ain't me, for sure, and anyone who says otherwise ain't speakin' no truth.shajaki wrote:its nice getting praise from the one who knows everything
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
Cobotron wrote:I'm thrilled to see so many feel this way about this show. I gather it was one of the least liked toy lines, but it did give us the original Tankor, who is to this day one of my favs. For reasons I can hardly explain.
I thought the art direction was so unique and fresh.
The concepts of soul and reincarnation were amazing, and just the notion that all thing begin on an organic/biological level, so sciency.
Previous to BW and BM, was the concept of "a spark" mentioned? My memory of G1 cartoons is locked in the 10 year old file of my brain that is hard to access. I could use a defragging.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Cobotron wrote:I'm thrilled to see so many feel this way about this show. I gather it was one of the least liked toy lines, but it did give us the original Tankor, who is to this day one of my favs. For reasons I can hardly explain.
I thought the art direction was so unique and fresh.
The concepts of soul and reincarnation were amazing, and just the notion that all thing begin on an organic/biological level, so sciency.
Previous to BW and BM, was the concept of "a spark" mentioned? My memory of G1 cartoons is locked in the 10 year old file of my brain that is hard to access. I could use a defragging.
In Beast Wars, the Spark concept was solidified, down to the conditions of its survival. But during G1 the concept of a soul of life force was touched upon or mentioned: Laser Cores, Life Spark and Starscream's Ghost were the result, the latter retconed into a mutant spark (which was a master move imo)
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
Yeah, the goal of this series when it was being made was for it to be "a religious epic for television", rather than another means to sell toys. Though, there were some instances that seemed like Hasbro trying to promote more of the toys, such as the late-coming additions of Strika and Obsidian, along with one more thing I'll get into below.william-james88 wrote:There is one thing I would like to add regarding Beast Machines. Of every transformers show out there, this one seems the least geared towards selling toys. For one, the toys looked nothing like the show. Also, the show's transformations were more like morphing and thus toys wouldn't be able to replicate it.
Save for Megatron's body changes and the 3-part season 2 finale having the Maximals receive a "spark glowing" upgrade that was meant to emulate all the translucent plastic of the toys.william-james88 wrote:There were also no upgrades in the show,
They got blasted by the transformation virus after they landed, but instead of just locking them in altmode, those who had Transmetal bodies were also reverted to their pre-Transmetal bodies.william-james88 wrote:Oh I have a question about that, do we ever know why it was that the maximals reverted to their original beast forms when the show begins?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, the goal of this series when it was being made was for it to be "a religious epic for television", rather than another means to sell toys. Though, there were some instances that seemed like Hasbro trying to promote more of the toys, such as the late-coming additions of Strika and Obsidian, along with one more thing I'll get into below..william-james88 wrote:There is one thing I would like to add regarding Beast Machines. Of every transformers show out there, this one seems the least geared towards selling toys. For one, the toys looked nothing like the show. Also, the show's transformations were more like morphing and thus toys wouldn't be able to replicate it.
No sarcasm in there. The quote came from an interview with story editor Bob Skir (though, said interview seems to have been removed from YouTube ), but I seemed to have slightly misquoted the line. The actual quote was "a religious epic novel for television" according to TFWiki.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, the goal of this series when it was being made was for it to be "a religious epic for television", rather than another means to sell toys. Though, there were some instances that seemed like Hasbro trying to promote more of the toys, such as the late-coming additions of Strika and Obsidian, along with one more thing I'll get into below..william-james88 wrote:There is one thing I would like to add regarding Beast Machines. Of every transformers show out there, this one seems the least geared towards selling toys. For one, the toys looked nothing like the show. Also, the show's transformations were more like morphing and thus toys wouldn't be able to replicate it.
Are you being sarcastic there? If not, where does that "a religious epic for television" quote come from?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:No sarcasm in there. The quote came from an interview with story editor Bob Skir (though, said interview seems to have been removed from YouTube ), but I seemed to have slightly misquoted the line. The actual quote was "a religious epic novel for television" according to TFWiki.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, the goal of this series when it was being made was for it to be "a religious epic for television", rather than another means to sell toys. Though, there were some instances that seemed like Hasbro trying to promote more of the toys, such as the late-coming additions of Strika and Obsidian, along with one more thing I'll get into below..william-james88 wrote:There is one thing I would like to add regarding Beast Machines. Of every transformers show out there, this one seems the least geared towards selling toys. For one, the toys looked nothing like the show. Also, the show's transformations were more like morphing and thus toys wouldn't be able to replicate it.
Are you being sarcastic there? If not, where does that "a religious epic for television" quote come from?
It's a pretty accurate description considering all the certain specific themes touched upon by the series.
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
I did not necessarily mean Christian, no (nor do I think Skir did either), but it cannot be denied that there are indeed religious themes in Beast Machines, as well as in other TF media. Christian or otherwise.Cobotron wrote:By religious,I kinda doubt he meant Christian. Maybe spiritual would have been a better word.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but reincarnation is not a Christian motif.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
i doubt they werent worried about selling toys. but i can see why the animators had a hard time putting together cohesive looking characters. there were three cheetors, three primals, two tankors, two jetstorms, ect. while the only one to actually have a body change was megatron. who knows what preliminary stuff hasbro put in front of them in the beginning stages of the show. what we got was probably a mix of all the figures and artistic liberties.william-james88 wrote:There is one thing I would like to add regarding Beast Machines. Of every transformers show out there, this one seems the least geared towards selling toys. For one, the toys looked nothing like the show. Also, the show's transformations were more like morphing and thus toys wouldn't be able to replicate it. There were also no upgrades in the show, the toy scales were more off than I have ever seen, and the final version of Megatron is actually an old body of Optimus.
Ginrai Minor wrote:Nah Beast Machines had a unique vibe that made it a great show. The dark mood needs to show up more in TF shows like it did in TFprime. My dream would be if Hasbro ever produced a mature themed epic that followed cannon from Nova Primes era up through G1 into the events of the IDW mtmte/rid.
Lockdownhunter wrote:Ginrai Minor wrote:Nah Beast Machines had a unique vibe that made it a great show. The dark mood needs to show up more in TF shows like it did in TFprime. My dream would be if Hasbro ever produced a mature themed epic that followed cannon from Nova Primes era up through G1 into the events of the IDW mtmte/rid.
Agreed
Everyony have a right to his own opinion, right? Like i said, I'm thinking that...I would never say no to more Animated
But I think that you agree that both UT and Bayformers was screwed. Both cases: In quite interesting universe is a story that with promising start, that later became childish and trivial. After all, both UT and Bayformers comic books were good.ZeroWolf wrote:also the UT wasn't the worst and neither is the movies, at least not in my book
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