Sabrblade wrote:Starscream's Prelude called him "Rodimus Prime", around the 1:10 mark:william-james88 wrote:leokearon wrote:Given the weak animation models and all, is Rodimus supposed to be Hot Rod or actually Rodimus Prime
Neither, he is just Rodimus. Just like in the IDW comics.
Ironhidensh wrote:This was my take away as well. Why are we wasting so much time watching Starscream enter?
One would wonder, but his face is his younger Hot Rod face instead of his wrinkled Rodimus Prime face. So, who knows what's up.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Starscream's Prelude called him "Rodimus Prime", around the 1:10 mark:william-james88 wrote:leokearon wrote:Given the weak animation models and all, is Rodimus supposed to be Hot Rod or actually Rodimus Prime
Neither, he is just Rodimus. Just like in the IDW comics.
Schooled again!
Though that makes it one more big deviation from the comics.
Wait, does this mean he would have the matrix of leadership?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:So, who knows what's up.
Ah, but don't you see? Older audiences need things like uber violence, death, murder, vengeance, politics, bureaucracy, agony, and all those other "gritty and mature" things that are totally not kiddie and childish, for realz yo!Windsweeper wrote:It's nice to see a G1 cartoon after all this time. However it really doesn't feel like it's aimed at an older audience.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Windsweeper wrote:I think you could completely ignore episode 1 and this would work as the first episode.
My only issues so far are the voices of Menasor and Starscream and the inclusion of Windblade. I'm sick of her getting forced down our throats all the time.
It's nice to see a G1 cartoon after all this time. However it really doesn't feel like it's aimed at an older audience.
Sabrblade wrote:Ah, but don't you see? Older audiences need things like uber violence, death, murder, vengeance, politics, bureaucracy, agony, and all those other "gritty and mature" things that are totally not kiddie and childish, for realz yo!Windsweeper wrote:It's nice to see a G1 cartoon after all this time. However it really doesn't feel like it's aimed at an older audience.
Things like joy, fun, and comedy are for babies! Adult stuff is hardcore SERIOUS BUSINESS!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Tyrannacon wrote:a web series it is vastly different in some ways too from a television show and that kind of audience.
Yeah, even something like Thomas the Tank Engine could tell an endearing and intelligent enough story within its original 5-minute time constraint back in its early seasons (can't comment on the later CG seasons, only grew up on the early seasons and haven't seen as much of the later ones), and it barely ever even had any interconnected plots across multiple episodes.william-james88 wrote:Tyrannacon wrote:a web series it is vastly different in some ways too from a television show and that kind of audience.
I dont watch series on the interwebs much so I dont know how they are supposed to go but I assumed that when you only have 5 minutes, you make the most of it. Like not spend one fifth with nothing happening and establishing that that events are taking place on a place you already knew it took place in (ie Cybertron).
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ricemazter wrote:This episode, I think, was slightly better than the last if only because we understand more about the context of the setting. Again, though the pacing and priorities of the directions are just strange. In a five minute long episode why, again, do we spend almost a minute and a half of the episode, almost a quarter of the run time, on establishing shots and Starscream in an elevator. These shots don't correspond to anything Starscream says about the situation getting worse, and are borderline filler.
Since we're talking about how to do an action cartoon for an established property properly despite a short run-time for each installment, the first one that springs to my mind is Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars, which several Star Wars fans my age still prefer over over the CG Clone Wars. Of course, that series followed Samurai Jack's tack of keeping stories simple enough to be understood regardless of cultural and language barriers, resulting in several episodes with no dialogue at all. Yet that was doable largely because viewers could be presumed familiar with the setup and most of the characters from SW Episode 2, an advantage you can't have when the tiny episodes have to set up a new universe, something this series is still struggling with even after 2 installments. Even the characters fans should be most familiar with are acting a tad unusual, and this is probably the most complex political situation we've had in TF cartoon to date...Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, even something like Thomas the Tank Engine could tell an endearing and intelligent enough story within its original 5-minute time constraint back in its early seasons (can't comment on the later CG seasons, only grew up on the early seasons and haven't seen as much of the later ones), and it barely ever even had any interconnected plots across multiple episodes.william-james88 wrote:Tyrannacon wrote:a web series it is vastly different in some ways too from a television show and that kind of audience.
I dont watch series on the interwebs much so I dont know how they are supposed to go but I assumed that when you only have 5 minutes, you make the most of it. Like not spend one fifth with nothing happening and establishing that that events are taking place on a place you already knew it took place in (ie Cybertron).
When your supposedly high grade expensive and serious adult cartoon is outdone by a simplistic preschool show of the same time length from over 30 years ago, Machinima, you might want to start re-evaluating which aspects you prioritize in your product.
Sabrblade wrote:At least we've got Rescue Bots to give us our current fill of an intelligently and cleverly-written TF cartoon.
william-james88 wrote:Tyrannacon wrote:a web series it is vastly different in some ways too from a television show and that kind of audience.
I dont watch series on the interwebs much so I dont know how they are supposed to go but I assumed that when you only have 5 minutes, you make the most of it. Like not spend one fifth with nothing happening and establishing that that events are taking place on a place you already knew it took place in (ie Cybertron).
So tell me Tyrannacon, am I right in assuming that, or do other web series also spend a lot of time with not much going on during their 5 minutes of material?
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, even something like Thomas the Tank Engine could tell an endearing and intelligent enough story within its original 5-minute time constraint back in its early seasons (can't comment on the later CG seasons, only grew up on the early seasons and haven't seen as much of the later ones), and it barely ever even had any interconnected plots across multiple episodes.
When your supposedly high grade expensive and serious adult cartoon is outdone by a simplistic preschool show of the same time length from over 30 years ago, Machinima, you might want to start re-evaluating which aspects you prioritize in your product.
Bumblevivisector wrote:Since we're talking about how to do an action cartoon for an established property properly despite a short run-time for each installment, the first one that springs to my mind is Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars, which several Star Wars fans my age still prefer over over the CG Clone Wars. Of course, that series followed Samurai Jack's tack of keeping stories simple enough to be understood regardless of cultural and language barriers, resulting in several episodes with no dialogue at all. Yet that was doable largely because viewers could be presumed familiar with the setup and most of the characters from SW Episode 2, an advantage you can't have when the tiny episodes have to set up a new universe, something this series is still struggling with even after 2 installments. Even the characters fans should be most familiar with are acting a tad unusual, and this is probably the most complex political situation we've had in TF cartoon to date...
I guess I'm saying the format may have doomed this from the start; I like where Machinima's trying to go, but they bit off way more than they could chew in 5-minute bites.
Stealth Claw wrote:Kurona wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:o.supreme wrote:Deadput wrote:I've seriously never been disappointed by Transformers this much before it's strange for me.
it is isn't it. But don't worry I've had my fair share of disappointments (Beast Machines, Armada, Animated). they come and go. If you are patient, while another spectrum of the fandom is being catered to, it will come back around to what you like, just might take a few years. Combiner Wars was definitely not what I was expecting but I am enjoying it whilst all other parts of the medium aren't really "my thing" right now. Prime was amazing, and I don't expect to see another series as great, at least as far as what I'm looking for, for another decade or so. So, while CW is far form perfect, I'll take what little scraps I can get until Transformers decides to do something again mainstream more to my liking.
Btw what's wrong with Armada? if it wasn't for Armada....we finally wouldn't have gotten a Unicron toy! nor a Tidal Wave one either! nor would we have got the Armada videogame that everyone....well....almost everyone....seemed to love at the time....& maybe there's a few that still love it today as well).
It was a terrible show with a terrible toyline. Not much else to say.
hey armada was amazing, it was beast wars and armada that was the reason I grew up liking transformers.
A minute and 30 seconds. That's how long the establishing shot was in episode 2. In that minute and a half, Starscream flies to a building and lands. That's it. For comparison, I watched the first 5 minutes of the old Clone Wars cartoon (the Tartakovsky one, aka the best thing to come from the prequels). In those 5 minutes, there was a similar scene that ends the first episode. It took 30 seconds and was filled with establishing moments for multiple characters. Anakin is taking off in his Jedi Fighter for his mission. Anakin throws his robe and it flies into C-3PO's face establishing him as comic relief. Anakin then gets into the fighter and takes off, but pauses when he sees Padme in a window. They have a moment of farewell establishing that they care about each other.
My point is, putting aside the quality of the rest of the show, Machinima is wasting it's very short runtime on long and boring establishing shots that has no importance or character to it.
Aside from IDW G1, the only direct references to other TF media I see are the way Computron speaks being like how he spoke in the G1 cartoon (right down to his particular use of the word "Datum"), and how Optimus has just one Autobot symbol only on his left shoulder (as opposed to him having a pair of symbols with one on each shoulder), which was a design feature popularized by his G1 cartoon character model (whenever it wasn't mis-animated off-model).Tyrannacon wrote:On the other hand here, Machima is making references to IDW G1 with the aim of this series, but it's very much different from the comic. I don't know and can't recognize if other G1 sources are being used here possibly? Puzzled on this one because I never read all the Marvel comics myself. Sabr you seem to know more than me here actually, so you can correct me if I'm wrong here, I'll happily yield to you here. Not a problem at all.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sunstar wrote:I think the reason for the long Starscream flight intro is, because it's Starscream.
Starscream's vanity is actually captured in the way he flies. It screams his manner of showing off simply that he would use that entrance as opposed to flying in where the shot came in. It does convey his nature. Or at least that is how I view it.
The fact Prime did not say anything is more powerful than him actually speaking at that point.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Ah, but don't you see? Older audiences need things like uber violence, death, murder, vengeance, politics, bureaucracy, agony, and all those other "gritty and mature" things that are totally not kiddie and childish, for realz yo!Windsweeper wrote:It's nice to see a G1 cartoon after all this time. However it really doesn't feel like it's aimed at an older audience.
Things like joy, fun, and comedy are for babies! Adult stuff is hardcore SERIOUS BUSINESS!
BattleConvoy wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Ah, but don't you see? Older audiences need things like uber violence, death, murder, vengeance, politics, bureaucracy, agony, and all those other "gritty and mature" things that are totally not kiddie and childish, for realz yo!Windsweeper wrote:It's nice to see a G1 cartoon after all this time. However it really doesn't feel like it's aimed at an older audience.
Things like joy, fun, and comedy are for babies! Adult stuff is hardcore SERIOUS BUSINESS!
I wonder what the rating will be......
Return to Transformers Cartoons and Comics Forum
Registered users: Bing [Bot], D-Maximal_Primal, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Majestic-12 [Bot], MSN [Bot], Roadbuster, Yahoo [Bot]