Skip ahead on Cyberverse to season 3, or at least watch its middle Quintesson invasion arc. It's so good, with some amazing deep cuts on top of the new creative stuff.Seibertron wrote:
Cyberverse wasn't for me either, but I respect the opinions of some people that have liked it
However, the NETFLIX Transformers Wars for Cybertron series is intended for people like me.
ScottyP wrote:Also, I don't think WfC was for us. I think it was for the casual Netflix viewer that probably watched the movies and maybe TF Prime but not much else.
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:I just finished the last episode, here's my thoughts on it:
Ok, first off, when they scan Bee, Arcee, and Cog for weapons they don't find anything and let them through.
COG.
The dude literally made out of weapons with several barrels sticking prominently out of his arms was not found with any weapons on him.
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Jeddostotle7 wrote:Wow, of COURSE avoiding union actors is the reason for Hasbro's recent new little stable of voice actors for Cyberverse, Netflix, RBA, etc. with almost no one I recognize, how the hell did I not think about that before??? It makes so much sense now! That's low-key kinda scummy of them.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Jeddostotle7 wrote:Wow, of COURSE avoiding union actors is the reason for Hasbro's recent new little stable of voice actors for Cyberverse, Netflix, RBA, etc. with almost no one I recognize, how the hell did I not think about that before??? It makes so much sense now! That's low-key kinda scummy of them.
Seibertron wrote:ScottyP wrote:Also, I don't think WfC was for us. I think it was for the casual Netflix viewer that probably watched the movies and maybe TF Prime but not much else.
They'd get more people interested in Transformers and sell more toys and merchandise if they quit making cartoons and comics that aren't great because of acting, writing, directing, etc. The general audience arent a bunch of idiots. They know good entertainment when they see it just like we do, though maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
First Gen wrote:Its true. The voice acting was rough. How many guys voiced OP? Sounded like 3 or 4.
Seibertron wrote:First Gen wrote:Its true. The voice acting was rough. How many guys voiced OP? Sounded like 3 or 4.
Yah, there was that as well. Yelling voice sounded 100% different than normal talking voice. It was very jarring.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
ScottyP wrote:Also, I don't think WfC was for us. I think it was for the casual Netflix viewer that probably watched the movies and maybe TF Prime but not much else.
Deadput wrote:As if Hasbro is ever going to invest to get the creative talent needed for stuff like this to make truly great fiction.
Deadput wrote:If corporations aren't going to invest in the proper people for bigger franchises like Star Wars then what chance does Transformers have?
Deadput wrote:It's pointless to hope for good fiction these days in general, the only thing to really do is to be pleasantly surprised when something turns out to not suck.
Deadput wrote:The raised-voice parts of Optimus in the show were the only ones I actually unironically "cringed" at, with others I didn't like such as Soundwave I only thought that they weren't good, they didn't actually get a physical reaction out of me otherwise.
Deadput wrote: rule of thumb is that you should absolutely not try to act as a character who is much older then you
Seibertron wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:Wow, of COURSE avoiding union actors is the reason for Hasbro's recent new little stable of voice actors for Cyberverse, Netflix, RBA, etc. with almost no one I recognize, how the hell did I not think about that before??? It makes so much sense now! That's low-key kinda scummy of them.
I don't think the avoidance of union actors is the reason. Some of these actors are very, very talented. It's the directing that is extremely lacking in my opinion.
Seibertron wrote:But they've done it before without household names. Transformers Prime, Animated and Beast Wars all come to mind about what good directing can do with the talent they have. It starts near the top.
Seibertron wrote:I'm just looking for good talent ... particularly with the directors and producers who know talent when they see it. For example, how many of you really knew of Scott McNeil, Garry Chalk or David Kaye before Beast Wars?
Even Robots in Disguise had good acting and the show was fairly entertaining, though the "monster of the week" premise was pretty monotonous in season 1.
Seibertron wrote:I disagree. When companies like Hasbro hype a show for almost 2 years before it debuts (our first news story about the NETFLIX show was from October 2018), it had better be good if you are pushing the show and building the hype up with fans.
None of these issues were ones that were not fixable given a proper amount of time to fix it (which they should have had considering that the show was in the works since at least October 2018). It just needs a few people in the right positions who are passionate about entertainment. They don't even need to be passionate about Transformers, just bring in some people who know how to tell a good story, and at a minimum, bring in some consultants to provide some feedback to avoid train wrecks like this.
william-james88 wrote:Optimus Prime is waaaaaaaaaay older than Peter Cullen but that worked out well enough.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
I will say this about Cyberverse. It is definitely an imperfect series, but it does improve dramatically over time. If you've only seen episodes from the first season, it is understandable why you would have been put off by it since that season is the most flawed. But thankfully, Seasons 2 and 3 of Cyberverse are like a completely different show from season 1, so much so that one could practically skip season 1 altogether.Seibertron wrote:Cyberverse wasn't for me either, but I respect the opinions of some people that have liked it, so I'll just chalk it up to it not being my thing. Though I'd argue that the terrible Bumblebee radio voice at the beginning at the attention-deficit appealing 11-minute episode format was very off-putting to me as well as some other aspects, but again, not everything Transformers related has to be for me.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Quantum Surge wrote:I'm sure some won't exactly see this in the same way I do, but I'm very disappointed that Jake Tillman and Jason Marnocha each did a good job as Cyberverse Prime and Prime Wars Megatron while their takes here didn't sound quite right. In fact, a majority of the cast in WFC has voices that almost sound similar to one another, no real variety in tone, and dialogue that tends to be repeated from time to time. I love hearing different Transformer voices from the many shows and films we've gotten, especially when it comes to how distinct they generally sound from one another; even Energon had voices that sounded a bit more distinct from one another than in WFC, and that's a series many disliked for the execution of the dialogue!
All in all, WFC's voice work makes me think less of a cast that's got unique performances from different VAs anre more of a fan-made series that tries to go for the ultra-serious route and has voice work done majority by one individual that doesn't make convincing alterations to how they sound.
Jeddostotle7 wrote:Oh, don't get me wrong, a lot of these VAs are definitely very talented with good direction, it's just I've been wondering for a few years now why it seemed like Hasbro pretty much just universally switched over to this stable of seemingly mostly fresh talent for almost all projects, and Hasbro wanting to avoid paying more for union VAs makes so much sense as a reason.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Jeddostotle7 wrote:I have yet to watch this series, but from what everyone's saying, it sounds to me like Jake still has yet to really find that spark that takes his Optimus voice to greatness. His Peter Cullen impression is pretty good, but often even in his better performances it can still come off as... a little wooden/overly stoic? I don't think it's Jake's fault so much, I just think most of the voice direction he's gotten has likely encouraged him to lean into the Peter Cullen impression at the cost of actually adding that extra dimension to the character Peter usually had and/or making it his own. Jake will definitely get there someday, no doubt in my mind, but for now I'm just frustrated with his Optimus voice not reaching its potential.
william-james88 wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:I have yet to watch this series, but from what everyone's saying, it sounds to me like Jake still has yet to really find that spark that takes his Optimus voice to greatness. His Peter Cullen impression is pretty good, but often even in his better performances it can still come off as... a little wooden/overly stoic? I don't think it's Jake's fault so much, I just think most of the voice direction he's gotten has likely encouraged him to lean into the Peter Cullen impression at the cost of actually adding that extra dimension to the character Peter usually had and/or making it his own. Jake will definitely get there someday, no doubt in my mind, but for now I'm just frustrated with his Optimus voice not reaching its potential.
Jake was way better in Cyberverse than in this. So I think Ryan's guess that the problem is more on the voice director's end is on point.
Also speaking of Optimus, I too, like D-Max, found it hard to root for him as the hero. He didn't at all feel like the character I associate Optimus with. Felt more like IDW Barber's Prime or the more recent relaunched IDW Prime which I really do not like. He just didn't feel like the one to lead or someone I would get behind and go into battle with. I got more of the Optimus Prime I can root for in the 5 minutes of him in the BB movie than in the 2.5 hours of this show.
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