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Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Cheesinator » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:02 pm

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noctorro wrote:From the teaser, lots and lots of bots! And it looks like it's not fanbaiting.


That's my hope too, but at this point I'm measuring expectations. I imagine it's difficult to provide a lot of bot action with cool kills while also making them feel like actual characters; IMO Bumblebee did this best (followed closely by TF1) due to having a small cast, while movies like RotF and DotM showed that if you have a huge cast, most of the bots end up just being kinda forgettable and seem more like extras.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:52 pm

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noctorro wrote:From the teaser, lots and lots of bots! And it looks like it's not fanbaiting.


We know there are two human protagonists. One is trying to help his younger brother live a better life and the other struggles with her manager taking credit for her research. Obviously, none of that would make for a fun trailer, but both those are in the film. Instead of seeing lots of shots of Brooklyn where a big chunk of the movie takes place, we see a lot of South America instead, with the Beasts, who appear later. So yes, the teaser is fanbaiting you, though I don,t think that's a bad thing, that's the point of a teaser. It's to get you excited, and to hook you in. Like bait for a fish. That has no bearing on the film's quality or how good the story can be though, as we saw with Bumblebee which also had lots of action in the trailer.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby atenciot » Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:33 pm

Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.

For the movie, I really hope Michael Bay is not the ghost director on this. We can see his influence in the characters. I understand they evolve, so we will see changes from the Bumblebee design to ROTB to what we saw in the 2007 movie. If it is all continuity, we can expect OP to leave earth at the end of ROTB and shed his earthly form, returning to his BB cybertron form. Just please be good, a good story can make up for bad special FX, but good SFX cannot make up for a bad story. TLK was horrible and BB gave us hope.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby First-Aid » Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:35 pm

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atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.


....Latinx? What is that?
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Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:44 pm

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atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.


....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby First-Aid » Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:10 pm

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First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.


....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".


That seems awfully impersonal, generic, and lazy to me.



Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.
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First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.


Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:12 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.


....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".


That seems awfully impersonal, generic, and lazy to me.



Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.
And most Latin Americans very much dislike that term.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby First-Aid » Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:26 pm

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First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.


....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".


That seems awfully impersonal, generic, and lazy to me.



Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.
And most Latin Americans very much dislike that term.


I can't blame them. It almost de-humanizes them. Does anyone mind if I slap people who use that term? :michaelbay:
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First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.


Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:58 pm

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First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.


....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".


That seems awfully impersonal, generic, and lazy to me.



Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.
And most Latin Americans very much dislike that term.


I can't blame them. It almost de-humanizes them. Does anyone mind if I slap people who use that term? :michaelbay:


That term was pushed by "liberal" people desperately grasping at straws to be the most politically correct possible. Like some sort of pissing contest. The narcissism is so strong to these people that they are usually deaf to the outcry from the very people they pander to.

Outside of those cultists colleges and gathering of the "elites", calling a Latino or Latina "latinX" will guarantee you strange looks, a slap in the face, or worse.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Dragon_Lord » Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:58 pm

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First-Aid wrote:Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.


The worst part is that the word is almost unpronounceable taking into consideration that Spanish is a gendered language and we don't have many words that end with two consonants (besides a handful of words that come from Latin or a loan words from other languages).

A lot of people in the Latin American communities hate the word because:

1) Almost unpronounceable.
2) Didn't came up organically from the latino community.
3) The people that get angry when you don't want to use that word gives a bad impression of an imposed anglicization on the language, almost as bad as the people that want Hispanics to unironically abolish the Spanish word for black from the language.

First-Aid wrote:I can't blame them. It almost de-humanizes them. Does anyone mind if I slap people who use that term? :michaelbay:


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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:10 pm

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First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.


....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".


That seems awfully impersonal, generic, and lazy to me.



Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.
And most Latin Americans very much dislike that term.


I can't blame them. It almost de-humanizes them. Does anyone mind if I slap people who use that term? :michaelbay:


That term was pushed by "liberal" people desperately grasping at straws to be the most politically correct possible. Like some sort of pissing contest. The narcissism is so strong to these people that they are usually deaf to the outcry from the very people they pander to.

Outside of those cultists colleges and gathering of the "elites", calling a Latino or Latina "latinX" will guarantee you strange looks, a slap in the face, or worse.

I fail to see how this is on topic.

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby First-Aid » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:01 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.


....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".


That seems awfully impersonal, generic, and lazy to me.



Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.
And most Latin Americans very much dislike that term.


I can't blame them. It almost de-humanizes them. Does anyone mind if I slap people who use that term? :michaelbay:


That term was pushed by "liberal" people desperately grasping at straws to be the most politically correct possible. Like some sort of pissing contest. The narcissism is so strong to these people that they are usually deaf to the outcry from the very people they pander to.

Outside of those cultists colleges and gathering of the "elites", calling a Latino or Latina "latinX" will guarantee you strange looks, a slap in the face, or worse.

I fail to see how this is on topic.

Back to the movie please.


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First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.


Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Would Fans Like Divergent Timelines Within the Bayverse?

Postby william-james88 » Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:01 am

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I will first and foremost reiterate that for the live action Transformers films, it's best to enjoy them as singular entities rather than try to map out any kind of continuity, even though the films do often attempt connecting visual or story elements. The next film, Rise of the Beasts, will be no different, hence my earlier article about it not making a difference if it's a reboot or not.

People have since written in and commented, offering good points. The best one being that while the tropes of the live action Transformers films may be inevitable (and even enjoyed by many fans), at least a reboot of the continuity would mean that the films don't lead to the unconcluded story set up in The Last Knight. That is an excellent point, and for the reasons I will point out below, that may be what this franchise plans on doing with this film. That does mean, however, that while the continuity changes, the live action films would still be in the same universe, set up by Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg (aptly called Bayverse by many). And there in lies the question, would fans be ok with preserving the Bayverse but branching off into an alternate storyline/continuity within?

I bring this up because there were rumours of a test screening for the Rise of the Beasts, which included elements of time travel, connecting the Rise of the Beasts movie directly with the earlier Bay era movies and changing the past so that the storylines don't end up in the same direction as the previous Bay films, creating a new timeline. There was never solid evidence of these screenings, so not much attention was given to them. Those story elements are starting to resurface with the mention of the Transwarp Key (or Keys), which we know will factor into this movie, and that was mentioned in the accounts of the test screenings. It may have been a lucky guess but, regardless, the "Transwarp" element does come from Beast Wars canon and it was the Transwarp Drive which let the Maximals travel through time originally. All to say, time travel can factor into this movie.

Other outlets have written similar articles comparing this possible plot point to the X-Men franchise where time travel was also used to create a diverging timeline within the same universe, creating new potential storylines (like the Apocalypse and Dark Pheonix film). As I read all this and put it together, I wonder if the fans who were asking for a reboot would be satisfied by this. While it would help the storytellers for future films, it still provides zero indication of fans getting what they want, which is a film focused on the robots with very few (to no) humans. It just means that the Unicron plot point from Transformers The Last Knight is abandoned, which would anger other fans. So ultimately, it looks like this doesn't benefit any fan. Those who want the Bayverse to die don't get that, and those who want to see a satisfying conclusion to the story the live action films were telling don't get that either.

But maybe this middle ground of a divergent storyline would satisfy some fans, hence the question this article asks: would fans be happy with an alternate timeline within the Bayverse?
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:17 am

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby First-Aid » Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:37 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, I would be happy with an alternate time-line in the Bayverse, but only if at some point, the time-lines converge Spiderman No Way Home style.


You mean lots of Optimi? I'm game for that.
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Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:08 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, I would be happy with an alternate time-line in the Bayverse, but only if at some point, the time-lines converge Spiderman No Way Home style.


You mean lots of Optimi? I'm game for that.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby noctorro » Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:23 am

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby noctorro » Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:32 am

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muddyjoe wrote:"Liberal ideas"?... Like censoring free speech when it doesn't agree with your world view?


Do you believe that expressing disgust and/or anger at the mention of a cast being predominantly black/hispanic is generally protected under free speech?

noctorro wrote:From the teaser, lots and lots of bots! And it looks like it's not fanbaiting.


That's my hope too, but at this point I'm measuring expectations. I imagine it's difficult to provide a lot of bot action with cool kills while also making them feel like actual characters; IMO Bumblebee did this best (followed closely by TF1) due to having a small cast, while movies like RotF and DotM showed that if you have a huge cast, most of the bots end up just being kinda forgettable and seem more like extras.


On the first note, disgust and anger is sour behaviour. Even if the emotion is justified given the current Hollywood climate. You can't say with a straight face that there's nothing going on in a certain political leaning direction. Howver voicing concerns in a somewhat decent manner should not be silenced in my personal opinion.

Second part: I also think Bumblebee did it best. Keep it small and build out if the audience says it's a good movie with their wallet. Not shill media.
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If the characters don't have any depth/personality/story then them fighting etc. does very little for me in the enjoyment factor. + it's just objectivly bad.

I think I'm just a big child, I cannot contain my enthusaism in case of a big dissapointment to be honest.
It looks like Transformers filled and they talk a lot + there seems to be a lot of action. The only thing they can ruin it for me is with onesided high horse politics.
Or toilet humor, but it looks like the humor is subltle seeing that final shot of Arcee.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:49 am

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You mean lots of Optimi? I'm game for that.


If Bee/ROTB Optimus is more in line with G1 than "Optimus the Barbarian" from the first Bay movies, I'd love to see both of them meet and react to each other.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby blackeyedprime » Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:11 pm

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Anything that brings an end to baynus is good to me, sadly this won't be it. Bumblebee could have been a good move forward even with its flaws. This is seemingly ten steps backwards and probably not even a Linkin Park song to save it.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby bumblebeeprime_18 » Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:40 pm

@william-james88 there has never really confirmation that the film is a full continuity reboot
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby WiseMan » Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:10 pm

If they used the transwarp macguffin for time travel, maybe using it to stop Unicron, that would be a nice way to tie everything together.

And then leave it completely behind and start fresh with someone who understands the word "continuity".
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:12 pm

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bumblebeeprime_18 wrote:@william-james88 there has never really confirmation that the film is a full continuity reboot


You're right and I've said as such many times, like in my previous article. They've always been very coy about it with Travis Knight flat out saying those words meant nothing to him in regards to his film. This is all just conjecture, to stimulate discussion based on new info we've received. Basically, lots of "what if"s.

Also, even if this film branches out, it wouldn't be a full reboot. It would instead confirm that Bumblebee was in continuity with the rest of the Bayverse films and that events branch off afterwards, fully integrating all films into one universe. Which I think is the opposite fans wanted.
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Postby Sabrblade » Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:19 pm

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My gut feeling that Paramount is never gonna fully address the notion of Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts ever being a separate timeline because they don't want to fully discard the first five movies after how much money the first four made for them, and will continue to remain completely agnostic on the matter so that ROTB could still, even if just theoretically, take place chronologically before the 2007 movie in the same timeline. Basically Hasbro's "squint test" logic they had regarding the Aligned fiction.

Like, it feels likely that they aren't ever going to make a movie that unambiguously says something like "We are willfully ignoring and deliberately irrevocably contradicting the 2007 movie! Here's Megatron in a G1 body dancing on top of Hoover Dam at a point when he should instead be on ice inside of it! He just flew down to Earth from outer space! And he's only just now meeting Optimus for the first time ever! And he even brought his wife and kids with him!"

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby bluecatcinema » Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:22 pm

Considering how badly things turned out by the later movies, I wouldn't mind the idea of these movies being part of a different timeline.
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