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Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:01 pm

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That Bot wrote:The name Blast Off has been applied to a tank before, it fits there, and if we're going to get super technical, shuttles don't blast off, rockets do.
Also, why are repaints suddenly lazy when someone doesn't like them? It's not like it took zero energy to design an appropriate color map for the figure.


I dont dislike this figure, I dislike Hasbro being lazy about it. Are you saying that color mapping is as energy consuming as making an new mold, or a retool, or just putting another head ? And I think the amount of digibashes found online is a testament to how little effort is needed. In comparison to every single other Combiner Wars release of G1 combiner figures, this is the one with the least added effort since it is the only one to be a straight up redeco. Feel free to argue that to your heart's content.

I don't claim that redecoes are as complicated to design as entirely new molds, but they're not lazy or thoughtless. They don't just dump paint buckets on the figures and say "this is good enough". I recognize that the incessant reuse of molds in Combiner Wars is taking its toll on everybody, but the mold reuses are not intrinsically lazy if they are operating on a reduced budget that doesn't allow for every character to be a new mold. Besides, Blast Off as a jet makes more sense. It's just a matter of time before we find out if they've changed his head or not, which I hope they do as much as anybody else. I won't say I wasn't disappointed when he was revealed to be a straight redeco of Quickslinger, but I will wait and see what happens. We have an entire year before the figure is due out, things can change.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby DedicatedGhostArt » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:11 pm

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I must admit, Blastoff would look better with at least Alpha Bravo's head. [-( But, ya know, we gotta except what we got ya know, and I'm pretty sure SOMEONE will come out with a replacement head. >:oP
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:44 pm

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That Bot wrote:I don't claim that redecoes are as complicated to design as entirely new molds, but they're not lazy or thoughtless. They don't just dump paint buckets on the figures and say "this is good enough". I recognize that the incessant reuse of molds in Combiner Wars is taking its toll on everybody, but the mold reuses are not intrinsically lazy if they are operating on a reduced budget that doesn't allow for every character to be a new mold. Besides, Blast Off as a jet makes more sense. It's just a matter of time before we find out if they've changed his head or not, which I hope they do as much as anybody else. I won't say I wasn't disappointed when he was revealed to be a straight redeco of Quickslinger, but I will wait and see what happens. We have an entire year before the figure is due out, things can change.


1. As anyone will tell you, there is no sense in Transformers. These are fictional characters based on a ridiculous yet also awesome concept, so why even bother bringing reality into this? People thought a legends Groove made sense until Takara showed how fun it can be not adhere to logic. Are you saying that Rattrap should have been released last year as a Legion class? Are you saying that a Tank is as big as a Jeep? Does that make sense? Deciding what makes sense and what doesnt can create double standards. While it might make sense for Blastoff to be a Jet, it can be completely ridiculous to someone else. Onslaught, looks like onslaught and every other combaticon looks like their G1 counterpart with a slight update. Except for Blastoff. How does that make MORE sense? To me, he seems the odd man out far more now than he did before. This thread is proof of that. If it actually made perfect sense in every way, then there would be no point to argue. But sadly, it doesnt. I am not saying your argument is invalid, but saying it makes more sense is only based on personal assumptions, nothing more.

2. That's the final head. It's an official image, the toy was shown, it's coming first quarter 2016 (which means you might see it in stores around Christmas like what happened last year), what more do you want for proof? They arent changing it. I will happily eat crow if that turns out to not be true, but while Transformer fiction may not be logical, marketting and toy production is a business. They already designed this specific toy over a year ago (at least), there is no way they are changing it with months before it hits shelves. I preffer my delusion to stop at my head cannon and not impede common sense.You know, this reminds me of when I said the Platinum Dinobots would not be the G1 reissues. There were no images, just a rumour so I had even less to go on. But even then I knew that with dinobot molds available and a G1 deco already around and the trend to eventually release SDCC exclusives in one way or another, it only made sense that it would be the AOE dinos in a G1 deco and not reissued G1 dinos. But people didnt listen and preferred hoping for something better. Where did that get anyone? Not saying all hope is lost and we are all doomed, just saying people should be smart and not build themselves up on things that go against evidence to be inevitably sad and even angrier at Hasbro. If you will be angry at them when you realize the head isnt changed, its better to simply be angry with them now and accept that fact and move on into either accepting it or choosing to vote with your wallet.

3. It's not coming out in a year, it has to be packaged within the next 3 months to secure a "first quarter 2016" release. No way are they stopping the production to fix a head because some fans didnt like it. I mean for crying out loud, they are just giving us blast off as a redeco of a jet, if that didnt tip you off about their priorities I dont know what would.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:21 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Thinks Blast Off is kinda lazy


Strictly speaking it isn't lazy as a whole. That they probably aren't changing the head kinda sucks, with at least 2 other heads that would have worked (vortex, first aid). It only feels lazy because this will be the fifth combiner chock full of repaints (2 straight-up repaints) plus two others many of us have kinda already experienced (hot spot, rook), so it's entirely understandable that mold fatigue has set in on fans at the very least; and remember that after this we have beta-thingy (retool - but essentially the same as silverbolt) and sky-lynx's limbs are all straight repaints, so mold fatigue is definitely here in full-force :BOOM:
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:49 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Thinks Blast Off is kinda lazy


Strictly speaking it isn't lazy as a whole. That they probably aren't changing the head kinda sucks, with at least 2 other heads that would have worked (vortex, first aid). It only feels lazy because this will be the fifth combiner chock full of repaints (2 straight-up repaints) plus two others many of us have kinda already experienced (hot spot, rook), so it's entirely understandable that mold fatigue has set in on fans at the very least; and remember that after this we have beta-thingy (retool - but essentially the same as silverbolt) and sky-lynx's limbs are all straight repaints, so mold fatigue is definitely here in full-force :BOOM:


There is a bit more to it. Having Rook as part of a limb for Defensor instead of Groove was odd but not lazy. Rook had his own head, he has his own tooling, his own gimick. And plus Groove is still around. With that I can tell that Hasbro was interested in giving us a new take. I don't like it, but I cant call it lazy. But with Blast Off, them wanting to "modernize" just happens to entail a redeco of an already existing toy (coincidences abound). That makes it a harder pill to swallow to say that hasbro is "caring about scale" or "making more sense" and not just being "lazy". This is lazier than all those other repaints and retools coming out with SkyReign (at least they look like themselves). And the worst part is that this is our Blast Off. If his name was something else, like an extra member, we would have still not been happy but at least we wouldnt be kidding ourselves. But now it's like "we know you guys wanted all original members, so here is Blast Off", get lost!
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:05 pm

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Maybe there's still time for Hasbro to bill him as a new character with similar coloring to the old, like Off Road is to Wildrider. They can call this brown jet character "On Blast." He's also not trusted by his new teammates because he tends to call them out on embarrassing stuff in front of the other Decepticons, and sometimes the Autobots too. ;)
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby fenrir72 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:01 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Thinks Blast Off is kinda lazy


Strictly speaking it isn't lazy as a whole. That they probably aren't changing the head kinda sucks, with at least 2 other heads that would have worked (vortex, first aid). It only feels lazy because this will be the fifth combiner chock full of repaints (2 straight-up repaints) plus two others many of us have kinda already experienced (hot spot, rook), so it's entirely understandable that mold fatigue has set in on fans at the very least; and remember that after this we have beta-thingy (retool - but essentially the same as silverbolt) and sky-lynx's limbs are all straight repaints, so mold fatigue is definitely here in full-force :BOOM:


There is a bit more to it. Having Rook as part of a limb for Defensor instead of Groove was odd but not lazy. Rook had his own head, he has his own tooling, his own gimick. And plus Groove is still around. With that I can tell that Hasbro was interested in giving us a new take. I don't like it, but I cant call it lazy. But with Blast Off, them wanting to "modernize" just happens to entail a redeco of an already existing toy (coincidences abound). That makes it a harder pill to swallow to say that hasbro is "caring about scale" or "making more sense" and not just being "lazy". This is lazier than all those other repaints and retools coming out with SkyReign (at least they look like themselves). And the worst part is that this is our Blast Off. If his name was something else, like an extra member, we would have still not been happy but at least we wouldnt be kidding ourselves. But now it's like "we know you guys wanted all original members, so here is Blast Off", get lost!


Yup. Really LAZY indeed!

They (Hasbro R&D and consumer department think tank. Not blaming TT because they're just waiting for the green light from Hasbro unless they go the TT Groove route and procure the design on their own) can allocate resources to design an all new character like Rook and Offroad but goes for the easy route of repainting Blastoff? But still have time to design Brawl, Swindle (sorry Vortex, no love for you either)an re tool Onslaught.

Is there really no love for the G1 style/homage to Bruticus but enough resource for the atrocity that is FOC Bruticus?

Btw, on an unrelated note, despite a not so nice, mold degradation showing Encore Bruticus, he now commands at least 30,000 Yen in the secondary market. He must be in so a high a demand to command such price. but then again it's for the Japanese market and not the international one.

Hope TT does a Devstar on Bruticus too but not go for the TTmall exclusive.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby LegendaryAntiHero » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:02 pm

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Extra in hand image of Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Optimus Maximus

Postby william-james88 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:24 pm

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This is a tiny bit of news while we wait for a cool new reveal of some kind. When it comes to Optimus Maximus and in hand images, we have almost seen it all.

We have seen him with a closed chest:

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Here he is with Rodimus in his chest and his specific combiner team:

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But what about "open chest"? Well here it is with an all white limb theme (the hands and feet are not the ones which comes with the figure though):

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This photo came from Transformers Colombia's facebook page and features Optimus Maximus with Air Raid, Quickslinger, Rook, and Alpha Bravo. As you can see, the chest is the very same chest (plastic color and all) found for Ultra Prime:

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:28 pm

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So in the end, Grand Scourge remains the only version of this Optimus mold whose inner torso doesn't look outrageously boring.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:40 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:So in the end, Grand Scourge remains the only version of this Optimus mold whose inner torso doesn't look outrageously boring.


Yup:

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Although I do feel that the dull grey works for the design in Menasor's open chest (dont know if yo consider him the same Optimus mold).
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Editor » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:45 pm

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Well based on these pics, I'm glad I went back to get the wave 1 Prime. I'm OK with skipping Ghost Prime.....
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Autobot032 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:09 pm

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Wow. That's a LOT of white and man, is it ugly. Geez, that's ugly.

I hope the actual in hand combiner with the correct limbs will look better. Ugh.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Shuttershock » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:11 pm

Editor wrote:Well based on these pics, I'm glad I went back to get the wave 1 Prime. I'm OK with skipping Ghost Prime.....


Plus, if trying to copy comic Optimus Maximus, you can always just paint the regular's head white. More or less the same if not better effect.

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Re: Extra in hand image of Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Optimus Maximus

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:16 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Well here it is with an all white limb theme (the hands and feet are not the ones which comes with the figure though):

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So where do those feet and hands come from? They look so much better. Are they the Perfect Effect add-ons?
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Re: Extra in hand image of Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Optimus Maximus

Postby Autobot032 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:19 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Well here it is with an all white limb theme (the hands and feet are not the ones which comes with the figure though):

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So where do those feet and hands come from? They look so much better. Are they the Perfect Effect add-ons?


They are indeed and they're fantastic. Well worth the $33.00. (You can get them cheaper at Scramblecore, though.) Absolutely worth the purchase. So much so, I ended up buying a color set that matches all three combiners so far.

Black for Defensor, Purple for Menasor and white for Superion as it should be. Although my Superion set had a very strong odor when they came out of the box. It was from the paint and it's dissipated, but it was there at first.
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Re: Extra in hand image of Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Optimus Maximus

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:23 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:So where do those feet and hands come from? They look so much better. Are they the Perfect Effect add-ons?


They are indeed and they're fantastic. Well worth the $33.00. (You can get them cheaper at Scramblecore, though.) Absolutely worth the purchase. So much so, I ended up buying a color set that matches all three combiners so far.

Black for Defensor, Purple for Menasor and white for Superion as it should be. Although my Superion set had a very strong odor when they came out of the box. It was from the paint and it's dissipated, but it was there at first.
That's good to know. I planned on doing the same. Except I'm getting 2 black sets, because I think the black looks better on Superion. Strangely, I like that all-white Op Max. We can expect Bruticus to get a gray/silver set, correct?
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Mkall » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:26 pm

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I think this has guaranteed that I'll be cancelling my preorder.

I'll be waiting for Grand Scourge.
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Re: Extra in hand image of Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Optimus Maximus

Postby Autobot032 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:37 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:So where do those feet and hands come from? They look so much better. Are they the Perfect Effect add-ons?


They are indeed and they're fantastic. Well worth the $33.00. (You can get them cheaper at Scramblecore, though.) Absolutely worth the purchase. So much so, I ended up buying a color set that matches all three combiners so far.

Black for Defensor, Purple for Menasor and white for Superion as it should be. Although my Superion set had a very strong odor when they came out of the box. It was from the paint and it's dissipated, but it was there at first.
That's good to know. I planned on doing the same. Except I'm getting 2 black sets, because I think the black looks better on Superion. Strangely, I like that all-white Op Max. We can expect Bruticus to get a gray/silver set, correct?


Oh, I'd imagine. By the time PE's done, that mold should have a rainbow of colors and be falling apart. By the time we get to Computron (c'mon, you know Takara's going to make one), they should be held together by chewing gum wads and wishes. lol

Although...I must say, the Superion set is the third use of the mold and it's actually a bit tighter and stronger than the first two uses of it. So, I may be wrong on the mold degradation front.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:00 am

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What makes sense to me is Blast Off being an attack vehicle like his teammates, rather than a craft which primarily operates in orbit. If Takara makes a space shuttle Blast Off, I'll try to get it. If they don't, I won't shed any tears for what could have been. Ditto for Hasbro's offering getting a new head. I speculated on that because the only pictures of him we have are a computer render and a literal repainted Quickslinger. I'm not getting my hopes up, but I'm not ruling it out as a possibility either. I still think legends Groove makes sense, but deluxe Groove looks like a good toy as well.
Now yes, "sense" and "transformers" have historically not been synonymous, and they still aren't, but you seem to be painting me as someone who harbors false hopes, which I am not. I'm easy to please. Combiner Wars has pleased me, more or less. I don't claim complete immunity to mold reuse, because yes, even I'm annoyed at the extent of it, but I'm also satisfied by the combiners we've got. Maybe I don't feel it as much because my only combiner right now is a Superion with Dragstrip filling in for Fireflight. Point is, unlike Ultra Magnus, I can deal with it. Except for "Betatron". That can go burn.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby peaces » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:58 am

the more i see of white prime, the more i love him. definitely an ultra magnus combiner to me.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby RAR » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:42 am

I have Optimus, I have Grand Scourge on order, and I anticipate I'll see a White Optimus on the shelf by October around here. Yet I still don't have any Combiner limbs - I really must do something about that.

Oh and considering that Groove is white I'd be interested to see if you can jam groove in to White Optimus' chest cavity or not as that might look better than Rodimus does perhaps.

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As to the under-decorated chest - I'm reminded of how the Energon Optimus has unpainted chest interior and the Superlink one has those parts painted. perhaps when some sort of Optimus set comes out in Japan what ever version they do will have similar paint inside the chest to Grand Scourge.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:14 am

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What makes sense to me is Blast Off being an attack vehicle like his teammates, rather than a craft which primarily operates in orbit. If Takara makes a space shuttle Blast Off, I'll try to get it. If they don't, I won't shed any tears for what could have been. Ditto for Hasbro's offering getting a new head. I speculated on that because the only pictures of him we have are a computer render and a literal repainted Quickslinger. I'm not getting my hopes up, but I'm not ruling it out as a possibility either. I still think legends Groove makes sense, but deluxe Groove looks like a good toy as well.
Now yes, "sense" and "transformers" have historically not been synonymous, and they still aren't, but you seem to be painting me as someone who harbors false hopes, which I am not. I'm easy to please. Combiner Wars has pleased me, more or less. I don't claim complete immunity to mold reuse, because yes, even I'm annoyed at the extent of it, but I'm also satisfied by the combiners we've got. Maybe I don't feel it as much because my only combiner right now is a Superion with Dragstrip filling in for Fireflight. Point is, unlike Ultra Magnus, I can deal with it. Except for "Betatron". That can go burn.


Thanks for your response. And I can totally see where you are coming from. I have 3 combiners so maybe that's why I am feeling it more. And I am in total agreement with Betatron :)
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Postby ThunderThruster » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:37 am

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The more I see of the BC Prime, the more I'm glad I skipped the original prime release. Looking forward to this guy being released.

RAR wrote:I have Optimus, I have Grand Scourge on order, and I anticipate I'll see a White Optimus on the shelf by October around here. Yet I still don't have any Combiner limbs - I really must do something about that.

Oh and considering that Groove is white I'd be interested to see if you can jam groove in to White Optimus' chest cavity or not as that might look better than Rodimus does perhaps.


Groove can 'hang on' to the Optimus mold's nipple pegs with his hand holes. Configuring how he looks in that space is down preferential asthetic.
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