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Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sowndwave76 » Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:08 pm

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primalxconvoy wrote:
Sowndwave76 wrote:Just curious...
Relative to the criticisms of this new Blitzwing, did Siege Astrotrain get hate?
I've wanted a new Astrotrain in my collection ever since the Henkei version.
The Siege greebling of his bot mode kept me from looking at him very closely.
But a few days ago I started looking with more intent to buy, and wow, both of his alt modes are pretty horrendous.
Half of the shuttle is... Severely incomplete, to put it lightly.
And that train mode... Pshhhhh... That's one of the worst alt modes I can remember, especially for being a fairly recent figure.
And again, the greebling of the bot mode... That ruins what would've been the one decent mode.
I'd only pay for that thing if I could get it for under $30.

Imo this new Blitzwing makes Astrotrain look like ASStrotrain.


Although I didn't fully like the Takara Tomy Titanmaster version, I bought it, just as I bought the other equivalent G1 triple changers in that line. However, I've refrained from buying any recent iterations of those characters, due to the design flaws mentioned by myself and others, in the posts above. I would rather make-do with a "good enough" version, rather than expend more money to get another figure that is, IMO, simply more of the same.

Astrotrain's added "fluff" pieces and lack of finished shuttle mice have been, from my observations, well-documented. I think it was puzzling for me why Hasbro didn't use part of the "fluff" as parts to "fix" the "naked" rear of the shuttle.

I think another factor here is that it seems that as many characters seem to get continuously updated iterations (Hotrod/Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus', Grimlock, Arcee, etc spring to mind), I feel it will be only a few more years for an updated/improved version of (Astrotrain/Blitzwing), so why waste money getting something that's lacking?


That all makes sense...
I would've thought Siege Astrotrain would've been destroyed by collectors...
It's just horrible design all the way around!

Well, IF a new version is released in 3 years and doesn't suffer by some lame play gimmick, I may bite.
Not real likely, but who knows... I'll already be waiting for over a year to get more Dinobots and Insecticons.
I may keep an ear to the ground for a year or so past that.
Wait, did Siege Astrotrain get released in 2019?
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby primalxconvoy » Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:26 pm

Sowndwave76 wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
Sowndwave76 wrote:Just curious...
Relative to the criticisms of this new Blitzwing, did Siege Astrotrain get hate?
I've wanted a new Astrotrain in my collection ever since the Henkei version.
The Siege greebling of his bot mode kept me from looking at him very closely.
But a few days ago I started looking with more intent to buy, and wow, both of his alt modes are pretty horrendous.
Half of the shuttle is... Severely incomplete, to put it lightly.
And that train mode... Pshhhhh... That's one of the worst alt modes I can remember, especially for being a fairly recent figure.
And again, the greebling of the bot mode... That ruins what would've been the one decent mode.
I'd only pay for that thing if I could get it for under $30.

Imo this new Blitzwing makes Astrotrain look like ASStrotrain.


Although I didn't fully like the Takara Tomy Titanmaster version, I bought it, just as I bought the other equivalent G1 triple changers in that line. However, I've refrained from buying any recent iterations of those characters, due to the design flaws mentioned by myself and others, in the posts above. I would rather make-do with a "good enough" version, rather than expend more money to get another figure that is, IMO, simply more of the same.

Astrotrain's added "fluff" pieces and lack of finished shuttle mice have been, from my observations, well-documented. I think it was puzzling for me why Hasbro didn't use part of the "fluff" as parts to "fix" the "naked" rear of the shuttle.

I think another factor here is that it seems that as many characters seem to get continuously updated iterations (Hotrod/Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus', Grimlock, Arcee, etc spring to mind), I feel it will be only a few more years for an updated/improved version of (Astrotrain/Blitzwing), so why waste money getting something that's lacking?


That all makes sense...
I would've thought Siege Astrotrain would've been destroyed by collectors...
It's just horrible design all the way around!

Well, IF a new version is released in 3 years and doesn't suffer by some lame play gimmick, I may bite.
Not real likely, but who knows... I'll already be waiting for over a year to get more Dinobots and Insecticons.
I may keep an ear to the ground for a year or so past that.
Wait, did Siege Astrotrain get released in 2019?


I believe Siege Astrotrain was released at the tail-end of Siege and again, unchanged, for Earthrise (?) I also believe its design was indeed roasted by some and mentioned by others. At the least, most people regarded it as an area of concern.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sowndwave76 » Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:40 pm

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primalxconvoy wrote:
I believe Siege Astrotrain was released at the tail-end of Siege and again, unchanged, for Earthrise (?) I also believe its design was indeed roasted by some and mentioned by others. At the least, most people regarded it as an area of concern.

Just looked, and according to the interwebs, his release was April of 2020...
So yeah, 3 years from now would make it roughly 5 years later; I could see another release by that time.
Again, may not happen for me because I'm making my outro once I have all of the Dinobots and Insecticons...
Anything else I get along the way is just icing.

If you only buy one figure for an entire calendar year, is it still "collecting"?

But on topic, I'm surprised at the overall negative reactions to Blitzwing.
I've looked at him a lot since his reveal, and I'm more than happy with this version and am excited to get to add him to my collection.
Since we haven't seen Motormaster or Menasor yet, just after Sludge, this guy tops my list of figures we're getting this year.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:44 pm

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I'm probably one of the few people on the planet who feels completely fine with Siege/Earthrise Astrotrain as he is.

So much so, I bought three of him! :mrgreen:
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Rtron » Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:50 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:I'm probably one of the few people on the planet who feels completely fine with Siege/Earthrise Astrotrain as he is.

So much so, I bought three of him! :mrgreen:


I think he is an excellent figure in that it fulfills what it was designed to do: Have a triple changing robot with two decent altmodes and an interesting transformation, that has accesories which highlight the play pattern of the line (weaponizing) and its grimy, battle-worn aesthetic.

I like him. I do, however, have to admit that I pine a bit for an Astrotrain that has a sort of "carrier" capacity, with a little interior for core class figures, or those "inhalable class" minifigs that came with Galvatron. But as an action figure, he's cool and definitely succeeds in making the most out of the design brief.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Sat Mar 26, 2022 10:02 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:I'm probably one of the few people on the planet who feels completely fine with Siege/Earthrise Astrotrain as he is.

So much so, I bought three of him! :mrgreen:

Add me to that list.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Wolfman Jake » Sat Mar 26, 2022 11:12 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:@WolfmanJake, I'll grant you that it's possible having the jet cockpit visible there in tank mode is iconic to one of the designers. However:
1. That still doesn't mean the cartoon's funky "naked" depiction of it there (how/why did that even happen, anyway? Did Floron the Moron forget the lines for the surrounding tank hull? Was he trying to be crude? It's particularly odd given that it makes the area more complex to draw) is necessarily a good look :P
2. Saying that comes across, at least to me, as you grasping at straws to make the choice acceptable.
3. If it was iconic to them, I would think they'd have gone for a less-confused execution. It has a faux-canopy instead of the abstracted stripes to match the toy having the canopy up top, but it's naked like the cartoon version, and both the canopy and faux-canopy are cast in red so they don't match either.


It's definitely more than just one designer that had made sure to replicate the cockpit at the front of the tank mode, believing it part of the iconic G1 look, which they likely referenced by studying the original toy, package art, cartoon models, and Marvel comics. That's the reason it's there. Otherwise, it wouldn't be. It was on purpose, not laziness or apathy. I'm trying to help people understand why its there, even though they may not like it. It's because it's meant to be a direct G1 update of the character, a character whose tank alt mode has the plane cockpit visible in all forms of media it appeared in during the original 1980's run of the franchise. We all just overlooked it as children, but that's how it was.

1. It doesn't matter if the cockpit in the tank mode is a "good look." It's THE G1 LOOK. That should really be the end of the thought experiment for everyone. The design teams at Hasbro and Takara very much did it on purpose because it makes sense for how they've been approaching the Transformers Generations line for the past 3 years in particular.

2. It's not grasping at straws. It's a critical analysis of what we know of the current Generations design team's direction for Transformers, from making explicitly more G1-accurate versions of G1 characters for the first time at mass retail (Masterpiece not included). I'm not telling anyone they have to like what Legacy Blitzwing looks like, but no one should be surprised or think that the design team should have done any differently, when we know it's going to be all the G1 it can be.

3. The fact that the cockpit has a faux cockpit so it sits "right side up" in tank mode is actually more evidence that it was a VERY intentional inclusion by the designers. It had to look right, or it wasn't doing the figure due diligence to them. It's the same reason the figure has fake wings for the robot mode shoulders. The existence of any faux parts is all the evidence needed to understand that the designers believe a certain mode NEEDS those parts to "look right" according to design specifications (e.g., look as unmistakably like the G1 character as possible).

Also, it doesn't matter that the cockpit has red windows instead of blue, at least as far as understanding why the cockpit is visible as it is in tank mode. While people believe that the current toys are always "screen accurate," it's not at all the case. It's a mish-mash of details from the original toys, G1 character models, and compromises due to budget constraints, etc. They could only have one clear plastic color for the figure's sprues, and they chose red, because they wanted the energon accessories to be that color for some reason instead of blue. I'm not saying that was the correct choice, but it was the one made.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Emerje » Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:10 am

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I can't believe people are still going on about Blitzwing after all this time... so I'm going to keep going on about Blitzwing.

I think the "fake canopy" is caused by a series of design misunderstandings. In the character model has a blue bar going across it the same color as the "windows" on top.

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The cartoon sometimes animated it as blue bar as well.

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But then sometimes they show it as a full on domed canopy under the tank.

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Which looks remarkably like the toy with it's full canopy underneath the tank while the windows on top are just decoration.

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Just in red instead of blue because they decided his energon hands had to be red and thus so did his gang molded windows (another reason why I prefer painted windows). The color is wrong, but the sculpt is technically correct to the right animation.

I will admit, it's a little weird for them to keep the cockpit sticking out the front of the tank for accuracy, but couldn't bother being accurate anywhere else like the open treads or rounded turret.

The fake wings don't bother me at all, I just think of them as embellishments no different from Wheeljack or Hoist's fake wings.

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:38 am

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Honestly, at this point, I've come to terms with Blitzwing's cockpit in tank mode. I don't like it, but the rest of him looks good, and while I'll probably never get a good version of my ideal Blitzwing, this figures suits my desires enough. He's a Blitzwing, that turns into a decent enough jet, and decent enough tank, plus he has a sword, (possibly) two guns, and massive punchy hands
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:55 am

I don't know why there's more explanation as to why it's there. It's in the G1 animation. I know they aren't being lazy about it.

But it doesn't matter why it's there either. It looks bad.

Combined with the way the jets are done in the back and the colours they had to work with the tank mode is just ruined. MAYBE if the tank looked more like it does in the animation in other ways - the top being more completely tan and the back working well enough like the G1 toy (thrusters taking up half the back instead of the full back). I'm not saying either mode has to look perfect; this just isn't good enough. In my book. Obviously.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:36 am

I have TR Blitzwing and won't be pre-ordering the Legacy version. To me he isn't enough of an improvement to warrant the leader pricepoint and replacing the TR version. The cockpit in tank mode and the fake wings in bot mode aren't my preference, but don't really bother my that much. The tank bits under wing in jet mode are just terrible. So for my taste, Legacy is a step up in bot mode versus TR, a step sideways in tank mode and a step down in jet mode, for basiaclly a push overall.

I may change my thinking if I find him in store during a sale, but at full price with those laughable energon oven mitts, that is a solid no for me.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby DISCHARGE » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:38 am

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:44 am

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That blurry/fuzzy little screencap y'all keep posting, is that from a toy commercial or something?
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Nemesis Destron » Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:52 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:I'm probably one of the few people on the planet who feels completely fine with Siege/Earthrise Astrotrain as he is.

So much so, I bought three of him! :mrgreen:



Hell now your are not alone! :-P


But now that we're in the wake of a new Blitzwing perhaps for all we know the Powers :HASBRO: / :TAKARATOMY: that be will unveil another Astrotrain through the Series 86 line...I'm just sayin'. ;)^ :VEHI:
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:00 pm

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That would be much appreciated, but considering how this Blitzwing turned out, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a step down from the Siege figure, as difficult as that would be.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Till-all-R1 » Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:34 pm

I wouldn't mind a new improved Astrotrain, something about the Siege version just doesn't look right to me.
That said I'm still considering buying it before it gets too expensive and a new version is never made"in my lifetime" of collecting.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:54 pm

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See, I was and still am completely content with Siege Astrotrain. I recognize the weakness of the rear of the shuttle, but his other 2 modes to me came out pretty great, so getting one sort of weak was acceptable to me, especially since the main mode i wanted (the train) came out fantastic to me.

Blitzwing to me appears weak in all 3 modes. If 2 modes of of 3 on a triple changer are good, I am good. i'm not expecting perfection, but I do feel underwhelmed when all 3 modes are problematic.

Again, I was never going to buy this one, I am good with the T30 and TR ones, but this is my view on the figure.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

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Postby william-james88 » Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:18 pm

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Target is putting the Transformers Legacy leader class up on their shelves. They were found at a Target in Wisconsin and that means that now all of wave 1 from Legacy has been found in the US before the end of Q1 2022. This wave contains a cleaner version of Galvatron and G2 Optimus Prime, who is based on the Siege/Earthrise mold with lots of retooling on the top half and a new trailer.

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:32 pm

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I just picked up Dragstrip and Silverstreak (who has Legacy on his BBB package) in Baltimore, MD. There's your East Coast sighting of the deluxes.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Emerje » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:01 pm

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Dude
The two of these are so far off this toy looks like butt in dat tank mode next to that animation

Dude, you seriously did a screen cap of my post instead of a quote? That's just weird. And I'm strictly talking about the cockpit (I mentioned the other stuff they got wrong later in the post), the blue parts from the screen cap match the placement of the red parts on the toy. The intent is obvious even if it's a misinterpretation of what's being represented.

Anyway, is this the first sighting worldwide of Galvatron? Thought we'd see comparison shots between this and the Kingdom version by now but it seems like we'll need to wait a little longer if this is the first sighting.

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

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Dude
The two of these are so far off this toy looks like butt in dat tank mode next to that animation

Dude, you seriously did a screen cap of my post instead of a quote? That's just weird. And I'm strictly talking about the cockpit (I mentioned the other stuff they got wrong later in the post), the blue parts from the screen cap match the placement of the red parts on the toy. The intent is obvious even if it's a misinterpretation of what's being represented.

Anyway, is this the first sighting worldwide of Galvatron? Thought we'd see comparison shots between this and the Kingdom version by now but it seems like we'll need to wait a little longer if this is the first sighting.

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not an exact match on that aspect either
If you like it you like it. Cool
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:33 am

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Have we heard anything concrete about if Legacy is lasting more than one year? Cause I can't remember hearing anything outside of rumors, but if it does, I hope we get some more late G1/JG1, specifically some bigger Pretenders.

I had an idea for how they could work, but if HasTak did it this way, it'd take years to get all of them. Basically, all the "standard" Pretenders (Inner bot, outer shell that doesn't transform), would be voyager releases, based on SS86 Hot Rod's deluxe bot size, but voyager budget, with the budget being used to create a Micromaster sized figure of the Pretender in the armored mode (where appropriate), the deluxe inner bot, and the rest of the budget being used to create Ultra Magnus style armor that would be designed to look like the Pretender shell, and peg onto the inner bot in robot mode to give it the Marvel comics massive human look (and replicate the gimmick, albeit changed significantly).

I could see it being like maybe two Pretenders a year, with the first two used to test the waters being Metalhawk and Bludgeon. Metalhawk due to the character being used in IDW1, and being a main character from the Masterforce anime, and Bludgeon because he's probably the most popular Pretender, plus a lot of kids would probably buy a robo-skeleton samurai. In Metalhawk's case, I could see the armor becoming a booster pack (almost like a prototype V-Star) in vehicle mode, with Bludgeon's turning into more weaponry for his tank mode.
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