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-Kanrabat- wrote:

o.supreme wrote:
Of course if you go the SS RotF Constructicon route, or TT Gen Selects route and release the set 2 or 3 years after the initial toys come out with some shiny new accessories and/or a new paint job for an astronomical price, that is a jerk move as well.

Reissuing a combiner team long after it's gone from the store shelves and the only alternative is EvilBay (at 80$ a deluxe), it's a far cry from a "jerk move".
It's the far opposite actually.

Xcept for the ones who have the og

The arm proportions may be a little strange, but the work well enough for me. They also look better in the alt mode that the original, which just resembled an oversize step. Even without flipping up the knees (which I just discovered recently, and the alt mode was fine without it), The alt mode stays together very well. And it looks real sweet, especially from the front! I enjoy the shifts of different surfaces, from the boxy arms and legs, to the contrast of the smooth cab texture. The gas tanks like to fold in, but you don HAVE to have them out I guess, and it won´t bother anyone who bought the figure for display.

Oh nice! Hopefully I can find them before my preorders pop up.


So with Wave 2 out now we should be expecting Wave 3 somewhere around March or so?

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I have the new Laser Optimus Prime. I enjoy it, what do you dislike about it?

I'll answer two parts that I dislike about it, the arms and the legs.
The arms in alt mode do not seem cohesive to the vehicle, they are just an extra block and don't peg securely.
The legs are the same recycled legs I have seen so many timed before, getting really sick of them, they make the figure feel so cheap in terms of recycling previous elements, including now vestigial parts.

The arms do peg in securely in truck mode. You have to unfold the kneecaps to expose the tabs that will slot into and secure the arms.

AHA! So those bits arent entirely vestigial, nice!

Wolfman Jake wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Burn wrote:FFS you two. Just put each other on block and spare the rest of us from your off-topic married couple bickering.

Who are you talking about?

You probably already blocked them

No, I removed all comments unrelated to the discussion at hand. And will do the same going forward, limits of tolerance have been reached.

Randomhero wrote:They won’t announce a box set during the initial run because it will harm the single figure releases

This. Plus boxsets in general are essentially the same as any other rerelease or repacks, they are a way for people who don't have the toys to get them. So if people can get the toys, then there is no reason for a boxset. And if people happen to double dip, then even better, though that isn't the primary purpose of a boxset.

Nemesis Destron wrote:Anyway looks like BBTS is carrying the expected upgrade for those that want to beef up their Menasor courtesy of DNA Design!

While Menasor is far from perfect, this set doesn't really do much to "fix" things. All Menasor needs in my eyes is new feet and knees so the legs can be turned around.

Burn wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:Anyway looks like BBTS is carrying the expected upgrade for those that want to beef up their Menasor courtesy of DNA Design!

While Menasor is far from perfect, this set doesn't really do much to "fix" things. All Menasor needs in my eyes is new feet and knees so the legs can be turned around.

I'm pretty sure someone will custom those parts to do just that. Let's hope those will not be exclusive to $hapeway but done by some Chinese guy like so many upgrade kits.

All I want for Menosaur is a proper rifle and sword.

Speaking of swords, I was screwing around and realized Motormaster can sword-hand.

Burn wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:Anyway looks like BBTS is carrying the expected upgrade for those that want to beef up their Menasor courtesy of DNA Design!

While Menasor is far from perfect, this set doesn't really do much to "fix" things. All Menasor needs in my eyes is new feet and knees so the legs can be turned around.

Agreed. I don't really need him to be taller and the new chest is just an alternative, it isn't necessarily better. The only thing I like about this set is the sword. I was shocked that all they did was make the legs longer and not work in a way to turn them around since that seemed like the biggest complaint about this figure, not his height.

Emerje

transformers_va wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

transformers_va wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:I'm still hopeful that a Stunticon set is on the horizon by .

Fingers crossed! A box set would be a welcome addition

Of course if you go the SS RotF Constructicon route, or TT Gen Selects route and release the set 2 or 3 years after the initial toys come out with some shiny new accessories and/or a new paint job for an astronomical price, that is a jerk move as well.

I've also heard rumblings/requests for Legacy Menasor to be repainted as G2. Please No! They tried this with CW, and they ended up on clearance for $39, and they didn't even get to finish with Defensor!

If that's the case, that would be unfortunate. However, weren't (most of) the movie Constructicons out already, before Studio Series 69 was announced?

Yes that's basically what I said above.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Reissuing a combiner team long after it's gone from the store shelves and the only alternative is EvilBay (at 80$ a deluxe), it's a far cry from a "jerk move".
It's the far opposite actually.

That would be fine, if they released them as individuals the exact same way they did the first time, but having a new premium box set with extras they know many people who bought the first are going to double-dip, which is, a Jerk move.

Randomhero wrote:They won’t announce a box set during the initial run because it will harm the single figure releases

The Combiner Teams from 1985-1990 had gift sets along with the individual bots on shelves at the same time, it didn't seem to hurt sales back then. Also as stated above, TT UW sets were announced either at the same time, or slightly before their Hasbro CW counterparts were on shelves, so informed customers could make a choice and not have to buy both.

william-james88 wrote:This. Plus boxsets in general are essentially the same as any other rerelease or repacks, they are a way for people who don't have the toys to get them. So if people can get the toys, then there is no reason for a boxset. And if people happen to double dip, then even better, though that isn't the primary purpose of a boxset.

I'm pretty sure most people who got Selects Volcanicus & Abominus were not first time owners. They were either begrudgingly upgrading, or selling off their PotP versions to try to recoup some of the loss of purchasing the same toy again. I mean Volcanicus is objectively not a great toy, it was highly criticized, and most who wanted Dinobots wanted big beefy leaders like what SS86 is doing now. I dont think from 2018 to 3 years later in 2021, there was a large sum of people that were thinking "darn I missed out on Volcanicus", so much that TT did a slightly upgraded reissue. Same with Abominus. While I am in that "Animation Accurate" niche, it is just that, and not enough to warrant a whole reissue I would think, unless they thought they could sucker enough people who bought the first one to purchase it again.

When talking of reissues, I only meant to refer to Hasbro rereleases, not Takara, different markets with different intent.

Emerje wrote:

Burn wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:Anyway looks like BBTS is carrying the expected upgrade for those that want to beef up their Menasor courtesy of DNA Design!

While Menasor is far from perfect, this set doesn't really do much to "fix" things. All Menasor needs in my eyes is new feet and knees so the legs can be turned around.

Agreed. I don't really need him to be taller and the new chest is just an alternative, it isn't necessarily better. The only thing I like about this set is the sword. I was shocked that all they did was make the legs longer and not work in a way to turn them around since that seemed like the biggest complaint about this figure, not his height.

Emerje

I partially disagree. I think the leg stunticons should mount on the front of the leg, but with the under kibble of the car facing forward. Like the G1 cartoon and toy. But still, A better scale sword, car drone, and better battle platform integration are always nice.

o.supreme wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Reissuing a combiner team long after it's gone from the store shelves and the only alternative is EvilBay (at 80$ a deluxe), it's a far cry from a "jerk move".
It's the far opposite actually.

That would be fine, if they released them as individuals the exact same way they did the first time, but having a new premium box set with extras they know many people who bought the first are going to double-dip, which is, a Jerk move.

That's your opinion, but on a business standpoint, that would mean re-releasing a WHOLE LINE and that would be stupid. They almost did it with some headmasters from Titan Return, but the deco were "more G1 accurate", they came in spiffy "G1" boxes, and they were Walmart exclusives. Also, more expensive. Was these a "dick move"?

Because if yes by that logic, everything that moves is dicks.



The real "dick move" would be to never re-release anything ever.

I think what OS meant was that they should re-release the figures as they were originally with no new paint apps/extras. This is forgetting that people would then complain that they didn't get anything new with the set, as pointed out in a different thread, someone will always complain.

Regardless, I don't think we'll see a boxset soon, but then for all we know, Hasbro could reissue a complete Menasor set in 2024.

ZeroWolf wrote:I think what OS meant was that they should re-release the figures as they were originally with no new paint apps/extras. This is forgetting that people would then complain that they didn't get anything new with the set, as pointed out in a different thread, someone will always complain.

Regardless, I don't think we'll see a boxset soon, but then for all we know, Hasbro could reissue a complete Menasor set in 2024.

From a marketing point of view, splitting Menasor into 5 parts that have to be bought separately, released at different times may raise the chances of someone only wanting Menasor buying more. Or something.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:While the wave 2 deluxe class figures have been available at specialty retailers, like comic shops, in the Us for over a month, they never hit full on retail. Well, they have now. A few fans posted their sightings on this Facebook group. All sightings are from Targets but we have sightings in both Arizona and California. This wave includes Tarantulas, Elita-1, Wild Rider and Knockout.

If you have found them, share your sightings with our community in the sightings section and on our boards in your region related thread.

Looks like I'll be swinging by Target tonight after work. Besides Inferno, Tarantulas is the only other Legacy figure I want. Amazon hasn't updated the preorder.

He's the only one I want from this wave as well, although with how distribution has been in the past, probably won't be seeing these in stores near me for 1-3 months after the initial sightings. I'll likely get my Amazon pre-order before I see him in an actual store

Spider5800 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:While the wave 2 deluxe class figures have been available at specialty retailers, like comic shops, in the Us for over a month, they never hit full on retail. Well, they have now. A few fans posted their sightings on this Facebook group. All sightings are from Targets but we have sightings in both Arizona and California. This wave includes Tarantulas, Elita-1, Wild Rider and Knockout.

If you have found them, share your sightings with our community in the sightings section and on our boards in your region related thread.

Looks like I'll be swinging by Target tonight after work. Besides Inferno, Tarantulas is the only other Legacy figure I want. Amazon hasn't updated the preorder.

He's the only one I want from this wave as well, although with how distribution has been in the past, probably won't be seeing these in stores near me for 1-3 months after the initial sightings. I'll likely get my Amazon pre-order before I see him in an actual store

Seems it might be the opposite for my Elita One, even though my store takes forever to stock new things in the transformers section. It even shares shelf space with Jurassic World of all things.

.Sorry about this post. I misplaced something, and I can not delete it.

Uhh... Wrong threads?

o.supreme wrote:

transformers_va wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

transformers_va wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:I'm still hopeful that a Stunticon set is on the horizon by .

Fingers crossed! A box set would be a welcome addition

Of course if you go the SS RotF Constructicon route, or TT Gen Selects route and release the set 2 or 3 years after the initial toys come out with some shiny new accessories and/or a new paint job for an astronomical price, that is a jerk move as well.

I've also heard rumblings/requests for Legacy Menasor to be repainted as G2. Please No! They tried this with CW, and they ended up on clearance for $39, and they didn't even get to finish with Defensor!

If that's the case, that would be unfortunate. However, weren't (most of) the movie Constructicons out already, before Studio Series 69 was announced?

Yes that's basically what I said above.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Reissuing a combiner team long after it's gone from the store shelves and the only alternative is EvilBay (at 80$ a deluxe), it's a far cry from a "jerk move".
It's the far opposite actually.

That would be fine, if they released them as individuals the exact same way they did the first time, but having a new premium box set with extras they know many people who bought the first are going to double-dip, which is, a Jerk move.

Randomhero wrote:They won’t announce a box set during the initial run because it will harm the single figure releases

The Combiner Teams from 1985-1990 had gift sets along with the individual bots on shelves at the same time, it didn't seem to hurt sales back then. Also as stated above, TT UW sets were announced either at the same time, or slightly before their Hasbro CW counterparts were on shelves, so informed customers could make a choice and not have to buy both.

william-james88 wrote:This. Plus boxsets in general are essentially the same as any other rerelease or repacks, they are a way for people who don't have the toys to get them. So if people can get the toys, then there is no reason for a boxset. And if people happen to double dip, then even better, though that isn't the primary purpose of a boxset.

I'm pretty sure most people who got Selects Volcanicus & Abominus were not first time owners. They were either begrudgingly upgrading, or selling off their PotP versions to try to recoup some of the loss of purchasing the same toy again. I mean Volcanicus is objectively not a great toy, it was highly criticized, and most who wanted Dinobots wanted big beefy leaders like what SS86 is doing now. I dont think from 2018 to 3 years later in 2021, there was a large sum of people that were thinking "darn I missed out on Volcanicus", so much that TT did a slightly upgraded reissue. Same with Abominus. While I am in that "Animation Accurate" niche, it is just that, and not enough to warrant a whole reissue I would think, unless they thought they could sucker enough people who bought the first one to purchase it again.

are you seriously gonna use box sets released 32-37 years ago as an example? thats ridiculous. also yes takara announced unite warriors set but not before hasbro's teams were revealed AND thats not worth a comparing those box sets because they all were takara mall exclusives. takaras market back then was and technically still is only in japan. you could import them sure but nobody outside japan was their target audience. They were takara only release of their teams and again, you had to import them. You could not just go to a Walmart or target and pick them up next to the combiner wars figures.

So I got my Motormaster a couple days ago before I had to leave for a work trip. $60 from Target was a good deal too. I have to say, I am enjoying him more than I though I would. The battle station trailer is pretty neat, and the robot mode is pretty solid. I also appreciate the work that went into Menasor much more now, it's a very solid mode. The only complaint I have is the Menasor thighs are a bit too short, but otherwise, I like it a lot





Moving onto the wreckers, Hound is really good, and I like his wreckers version so much more than the retail version of Bulkhead. Someone needs to make him a massive minigun setup ASAP.






Springer has some neat alt modes, but I must say that the T30 had more enjoyable alt modes. But these are still interesting at least.




Metroplex continues to be a wonderful thing. He is spectacular. And I must now admit, yes, i think he actually beats Jhiaxus as the best figure in the line.

Randomhero wrote:also yes takara announced unite warriors set but not before hasbro's teams were revealed AND thats not worth a comparing those box sets because they all were takara mall exclusives.

About half the line were. Five were mass retail releases while the other six were TTM exclusives.

Sabrblade wrote:

Randomhero wrote:also yes takara announced unite warriors set but not before hasbro's teams were revealed AND thats not worth a comparing those box sets because they all were takara mall exclusives.

About half the line were. Five were mass retail releases while the other six were TTM exclusives.

Yup, and luckily, Computron was not one of the exclusive ones

So according to Amazon, both Crankcase and Armada Starscream should be here on Monday.

Rodimus Prime wrote:So according to Amazon, both Crankcase and Armada Starscream should be here on Monday.

Skullgrin too, according to those who preordered him as well