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Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Just a note though it isn't Legacy evolution its SS86 Legacy Evolution is going to Armada Prime.

Sabrblade wrote:You mean Kingdom, not Earthrise.

Man, nothing scrambles your brain quite like Christmas! At that point I'd only slept a total of nine hours since Thursday, worked Saturday night, and still had four more hours to go before I could get any decent sleep (5 whole hours, wheeee!), and now I'm leaving for work again. Gotta love the holidays!

Emerje

That's rough, mate. Hope you find some decent time to rest!

ZeroWolf wrote:

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Just a note though it isn't Legacy evolution its SS86 Legacy Evolution is going to Armada Prime.

Sabrblade wrote:You mean Kingdom, not Earthrise.

Man, nothing scrambles your brain quite like Christmas! At that point I'd only slept a total of nine hours since Thursday, worked Saturday night, and still had four more hours to go before I could get any decent sleep (5 whole hours, wheeee!), and now I'm leaving for work again. Gotta love the holidays!

Emerje

That's rough, mate. Hope you find some decent time to rest!

I hear you. I spent Thursday night in the ED with a possible sinus abscess. Can't sleep there.

So with the recent talk of Armada OP I thought of how epic it would be if this guy were released in a much grander Legacy rendition. The sight of Overload was impressive buuuuut it was so overwhelmed with flaws. Just imagine what could be if were to add this guy to the Legacy line!

Sooooo if there's gonna be a leader class Sandstorm.. and there's gonna be a 2nd subline of Wreck N Rule... mayhaps there'll be 2 Sandstorms?

Nemesis Destron wrote:


So with the recent talk of Armada OP I thought of how epic it would be if this guy were released in a much grander Legacy rendition. The sight of Overload was impressive buuuuut it was so overwhelmed with flaws. Just imagine what could be if were to add this guy to the Legacy line!

Absolutely on board, where do I sign.

Razorbeast88 wrote:Sooooo if there's gonna be a leader class Sandstorm.. and there's gonna be a 2nd subline of Wreck N Rule... mayhaps there'll be 2 Sandstorms?

Sandstorm's a 2024 release though, so we'd need 3 waves for Wreck N Rule for that to be the case, not 2. Unless you're suggesting that Wreck N Rule skips a year?

Nemesis Destron wrote:


So with the recent talk of Armada OP I thought of how epic it would be if this guy were released in a much grander Legacy rendition. The sight of Overload was impressive buuuuut it was so overwhelmed with flaws. Just imagine what could be if were to add this guy to the Legacy line!

Voyager or even Leader "weaponizers" should be introduced. That's the only way to make a modern Armada Overload.

Armada Overload should be a leader. A deluxe "minicon" with the rest of the body that would partsform like Ultra Magnus's armor. Overload will finally be able to move and he would still have the transforming abilities to become the messy trailer of the "minicon" or Optimus's massive weapons.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Armada Overload should be a leader. A deluxe "minicon" with the rest of the body that would partsform like Ultra Magnus's armor.

Funny you make that comparison since Overload's Japanese name was Ultra Magnus.

Oh, I knew that. And if you look at the guy, it IS Ultra Magnus. There's even a repaint in the right UM colors.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Armada Overload should be a leader. A deluxe "minicon" with the rest of the body that would partsform like Ultra Magnus's armor.

Funny you make that comparison since Overload's Japanese name was Ultra Magnus.

Was the Ultra Magnus redeco ever released in Japan, under the Super Link line?

Nemesis Destron wrote:


So with the recent talk of Armada OP I thought of how epic it would be if this guy were released in a much grander Legacy rendition. The sight of Overload was impressive buuuuut it was so overwhelmed with flaws. Just imagine what could be if were to add this guy to the Legacy line!

While I'd love a Leader Weaponizer Overload, I think a Pants-fire would probably be the first thing they do. Then make Overload.

Though I admit the Jetfire mold has only one real repaint option: Timelines AstroTrain. Or the blue striped version from the Superlink set, but not sure it would be different enough. Of course they could pull a Legacy Bulkhead and just make him a slightly dingier shade of gray or something.

Repaint or no, he's still my favourite design for Ultra Magnus.



Chiefly because of how unique he is to Prime.

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I admit the Jetfire mold has only one real repaint option: Timelines AstroTrain. Or the blue striped version from the Superlink set, but not sure it would be different enough. Of course they could pull a Legacy Bulkhead and just make him a slightly dingier shade of gray or something.

What about the Armada Powerlinx Jetfire redeco?

Or Spacewarp? Things like the Combiner Wars G2 Stunticons and Selects Combat Megatron show that Hasbro currently isn't afraid to dip into unreleased figure decos.

Powerlinx maybe.

SpaceWarp? Does the current team even know that version is a thing? Somewhat similar to AstroTrain though. So yeah either of those may work for potential repaints. Selects SG Armada Jetfire anyone?

Overcracker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I admit the Jetfire mold has only one real repaint option: Timelines AstroTrain. Or the blue striped version from the Superlink set, but not sure it would be different enough. Of course they could pull a Legacy Bulkhead and just make him a slightly dingier shade of gray or something.

What about the Armada Powerlinx Jetfire redeco?

Or Spacewarp? Things like the Combiner Wars G2 Stunticons and Selects Combat Megatron show that Hasbro currently isn't afraid to dip into unreleased figure decos.

Powerlinx maybe.

SpaceWarp? Does the current team even know that version is a thing? Somewhat similar to AstroTrain though. So yeah either of those may work for potential repaints. Selects SG Armada Jetfire anyone?

Maybe that would have made for a better Galaxy Shuttle then the POS Astrotrain?

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe that would have made for a better Galaxy Shuttle then the POS Astrotrain?

Galaxy Shuttle got made in the first place because his head was the alternate pretool that had been built into the mold back when the Astrotrain mold was first made.

That doesn't disqualify the Armada Jetfire mold (or any updates) from being a viable (or even better) option for Galaxy Shuttle. Maybe Hasbro should have waited instead of forcing that version onto an already inferior mold.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe that would have made for a better Galaxy Shuttle then the POS Astrotrain?

Galaxy Shuttle got made in the first place because his head was the alternate pretool that had been built into the mold back when the Astrotrain mold was first made.

That doesn't disqualify the Armada Jetfire mold (or any updates) from being a viable (or even better) option for Galaxy Shuttle. Maybe Hasbro should have waited instead of forcing that version onto an already inferior mold.

I doubt we'll see Galaxy Shuttle again any time soon.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe that would have made for a better Galaxy Shuttle then the POS Astrotrain?

Galaxy Shuttle got made in the first place because his head was the alternate pretool that had been built into the mold back when the Astrotrain mold was first made.

That doesn't disqualify the Armada Jetfire mold (or any updates) from being a viable (or even better) option for Galaxy Shuttle. Maybe Hasbro should have waited instead of forcing that version onto an already inferior mold.

I'd prefer a new Jetfire mold. As integral as the Jet Optimus mode was to Armada, I can't see Hasbro making a Jetfire that didn't merge with the upcoming Armada Optimus figure.

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe that would have made for a better Galaxy Shuttle then the POS Astrotrain?

Galaxy Shuttle got made in the first place because his head was the alternate pretool that had been built into the mold back when the Astrotrain mold was first made.

That doesn't disqualify the Armada Jetfire mold (or any updates) from being a viable (or even better) option for Galaxy Shuttle. Maybe Hasbro should have waited instead of forcing that version onto an already inferior mold.

I'd prefer a new Jetfire mold. As integral as the Jet Optimus mode was to Armada, I can't see Hasbro making a Jetfire that didn't merge with the upcoming Armada Optimus figure.

I agree definitely. I'm just saying even the original Armada Jetfire in black and white deco could have passed for Galaxy Shuttle at least as well as the Astrotrain mold did.

ZeroWolf wrote:I doubt we'll see Galaxy Shuttle again any time soon.

I'm not expecting another one. But an update to Armada Jetfire is a reasonable expectation, right? So why couldn't Hasbro wait and made Galaxy Shuttle out of that, instead of a mold that's already compromised and barely pulls of a shuttle mode as it is?

Besides, isn't Galaxy Shuttle pretty big compared to other characters? He should have been larger.

Or is the launch platform absolutely necessary, and the only way to include it was to use the Astrotrain mold?

Or was Galaxy Shuttle the original intent of the mold, hence the head pretool and the launch pad which Astrotrain never had before?

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm not expecting another one. But an update to Armada Jetfire is a reasonable expectation, right? So why couldn't Hasbro wait and made Galaxy Shuttle out of that, instead of a mold that's already compromised and barely pulls of a shuttle mode as it is?

0 development cost, including thousands saved on mold development. I spoke to Hasbro personally about this and this galaxy shuttle was designed back in 2017, under John Warden, so way before the idea of going big on Armada like we are seeing now. The alt head for Astrotrain was Galaxy Shuttle and thus part of that original molding.
In the end, the answer to most questions is cynically "money". And making it an exclusive meant Hasbro got a guarantee order fill from walmart for a new product of the highest exclusive size class which the current team didn't spend a dime on designing. This was basically free money for them.

It's news like this that shows you that production is so much further ahead of Hasbro's reveals for 2023. Of course, there's all the ROTB toys but it's happening with Legacy as well. What is funny here is that the listings never gave a proper name for the deluxe motorcycle Junkion we are getting in 2023 as part of the line's gimmick, so those getting them early on Shopee don't have the proper name for it. Hence the long winded title of this post. Also, not having proper instructions means that the reviewer botches the gimmick. Unlike previous years, the idea is not necessarily to use the Junkions as weaponisers but instead to merge them together to create different kinds of vehicles. This was shown on the poster for Legacy Evolution and it is not explored in the review even though the reviewer has 2 deluxe junkions that have that same gimmick. Instead we see it "combined" with Optimus Prime and, well, you'll see why that is not the intended function of them in this line.

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm not expecting another one. But an update to Armada Jetfire is a reasonable expectation, right? So why couldn't Hasbro wait and made Galaxy Shuttle out of that, instead of a mold that's already compromised and barely pulls of a shuttle mode as it is?

0 development cost, including thousands saved on mold development. I spoke to Hasbro personally about this and this galaxy shuttle was designed back in 2017, under John Warden, so way before the idea of going big on Armada like we are seeing now. The alt head for Astrotrain was Galaxy Shuttle and thus part of that original molding.
In the end, the answer to most questions is cynically "money". And making it an exclusive meant Hasbro got a guarantee order fill from walmart for a new product of the highest exclusive size class which the current team didn't spend a dime on designing. This was basically free money for them.

All that could have been also applied to a potential new Armada Jetfire, with the exception of it being designed by John Warden.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm not expecting another one. But an update to Armada Jetfire is a reasonable expectation, right? So why couldn't Hasbro wait and made Galaxy Shuttle out of that, instead of a mold that's already compromised and barely pulls of a shuttle mode as it is?

0 development cost, including thousands saved on mold development. I spoke to Hasbro personally about this and this galaxy shuttle was designed back in 2017, under John Warden, so way before the idea of going big on Armada like we are seeing now. The alt head for Astrotrain was Galaxy Shuttle and thus part of that original molding.
In the end, the answer to most questions is cynically "money". And making it an exclusive meant Hasbro got a guarantee order fill from walmart for a new product of the highest exclusive size class which the current team didn't spend a dime on designing. This was basically free money for them.

All that could have been also applied to a potential new Armada Jetfire, with the exception of it being designed by John Warden.

It can't because doing anything except using what already exists would mean spending money on a new mold. Releasing Galaxy shuttle was a decision done now. So they preffer spending nothing. Plus, they'll use every asset they have, this never used molding was one of them. You are asking them to spend money doing à design they already have.