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Overcracker wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Can Armada Prime do the Heaven and Hell attack?

The original can barely point his arms forward.

This one, may be able to get his hands close enough, but both modes have solid fingers, so no way to interlock them to recreate that attack

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I was under the impression that Super Mode had Jetfire-style hands. Not perfect but good enough for a little GGG homage.

Sort of. The ports do not seem to retract into the palm like Jetfire’s do. But the fingers are molded together. You may be able to bring the hands together to sort of fake it with one fist inside the other hand, but will depend on shoulder articulation.

Did Super Mode do Heaven and Hell? I honestly don't remember.

Armada Prime Looks good. I never loved the design, but it at least barely resembles G1 (Respects +) and I'm sure the armada fans will be happy (all three of them?) But those combiner hands in plain sight have no excuse. First one to say it's toy accuracy get thrown off the world. The combined mode idea always was alright and of course the trailer has a much more interesting base mode then G1 Prime (Not to say that the G1 base mode was bad or anything)



*I know this is kind of unrelated but I'm holding a funeral for the late RID deluxe Windblade on my collection page, check it out if you are really that bored. Thank you.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Armada Prime Looks good. I never loved the design, but it at least barely resembles G1 (Respects +) and I'm sure the armada fans will be happy (all three of them?) But those combiner hands in plain sight have no excuse. First one to say it's toy accuracy get thrown off the world. The combined mode idea always was alright and of course the trailer has a much more interesting base mode then G1 Prime (Not to say that the G1 base mode was bad or anything)



*I know this is kind of unrelated but I'm holding a funeral for the late RID deluxe Windblade on my collection page, check it out if you are really that bored. Thank you.

There's lot of Armada fans, and it's the differences with G1 that make this version of Optimus interesting for many. There's no need to gratuitously diss segments of the fandom just because they don't align with your taste.

I don't care at all about Armada or this Armada Prime.
However, there's no denying that the feedback and responses to this figure have been really positive.
So I'm happy for everyone who has wanted this updated figure, and in the grand scheme, for me this is another situation where I have to acknowledge that Hastak is doing a bang-up job with the vast majority of these new releases.
Sure, I'm passing on almost literally 80% of this line, but that doesn't mean all of those figures are bad.
They're just not for me (and don't fit into my collection).

Sowndwave76 wrote:I don't care at all about Armada or this Armada Prime.
However, there's no denying that the feedback and responses to this figure have been really positive.
So I'm happy for everyone who has wanted this updated figure, and in the grand scheme, for me this is another situation where I have to acknowledge that Hastak is doing a bang-up job with the vast majority of these new releases.
Sure, I'm passing on almost literally 80% of this line, but that doesn't mean all of those figures are bad.
They're just not for me (and don't fit into my collection).

I think people forget just how big and successful Armada was. For many fans, this was THEIR G1.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I don't care at all about Armada or this Armada Prime.
However, there's no denying that the feedback and responses to this figure have been really positive.
So I'm happy for everyone who has wanted this updated figure, and in the grand scheme, for me this is another situation where I have to acknowledge that Hastak is doing a bang-up job with the vast majority of these new releases.
Sure, I'm passing on almost literally 80% of this line, but that doesn't mean all of those figures are bad.
They're just not for me (and don't fit into my collection).

I think people forget just how big and successful Armada was. For many fans, this was THEIR G1.

And for a lot, it's not a matter of forgetting...
It's simply that Armada never seemed that popular, ever.
I call it like I see it, and for being big and successful, it sure hasn't demanded much attention for quite a long time.
But again, I'm happy that this and other series are getting more attention now.
I do know it's way past time.

Looking at the pictures of Armada Prime again, there's just one thing that I don't like: that big-ass (literally) butt-flap on the super mode.

But this nitpick won't prevent me from pre-ordering this thing HARD.

Looks pretty cool but wouldn't be my definitive Prime so I'll have to pass

Though if this gets repainted and released in the powerlinx colors (not holding my breath), maybe I'll pick it up and headcanon it as Magna Convoy or something

Lots of salt and butt-hurt I read..

Rtron wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Armada Prime Looks good. I never loved the design, but it at least barely resembles G1 (Respects +) and I'm sure the armada fans will be happy (all three of them?) But those combiner hands in plain sight have no excuse. First one to say it's toy accuracy get thrown off the world. The combined mode idea always was alright and of course the trailer has a much more interesting base mode then G1 Prime (Not to say that the G1 base mode was bad or anything)



*I know this is kind of unrelated but I'm holding a funeral for the late RID deluxe Windblade on my collection page, check it out if you are really that bored. Thank you.

There's lot of Armada fans, and it's the differences with G1 that make this version of Optimus interesting for many. There's no need to gratuitously diss segments of the fandom just because they don't align with your taste.

Remind me where I said armada was stupid or that figure's spot should have gone to someone else. Did I say that?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I think people forget just how big and successful Armada was. For many fans, this was THEIR G1.

I'm a a die-hard geewunner, but I collected Armada back in the day, then I gave it to my kids. Those bots that survived got sold to a reseller. They were nice toys and were certainly more articulated than the brickbots I picked up back in the 80's, but they didn't have the same emotional attachment.

Anyway, I'm ready for something new. I've gotten kinda tired of the 873rd version of Prime and the 4,702nd version of Bumblebee.

So this popped into my recommendations.

Brokebot wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I think people forget just how big and successful Armada was. For many fans, this was THEIR G1.

I'm a a die-hard geewunner, but I collected Armada back in the day, then I gave it to my kids. Those bots that survived got sold to a reseller. They were nice toys and were certainly more articulated than the brickbots I picked up back in the 80's, but they didn't have the same emotional attachment.

Anyway, I'm ready for something new. I've gotten kinda tired of the 873rd version of Prime and the 4,702nd version of Bumblebee.

I wouldn't call myself "die-hard" for G1, and yet almost nothing else gets my attention.
I've said it before-- all of my interest in TF really stems from nostalgia; mainly from the show... And yeah, the old toys to some extent, but more so the cartoon and the '86 movie.
Which is why screen accuracy and bot modes are so important to me.
And why I don't care about parts-forming if it aids those aspects.
And why I don't care much about complexity/simplicity of transformation.
And why I don't give a shizz about weapon storage.

But even with G1 characters, I don't like nor want them all.
If a figure (or really, character) doesn't look as good as I want it to, I'll pass on it.
Which is why I skipped everything from Siege except Springer and the 35th Anniversary versions of OP and Megs.

Another factor in me sticking to G1 characters is the cost...
I'm not going to spend money on figures I don't really want. And the financial side isn't really the issue.
I'm so far beyond getting figures "just to have them". That's where collecting gets really stupid imo.
I've narrowed what I have left to collect based on character.
Until there's some surprise releases that are currently unknown, I'm down to a 9 figure "Want" list.
And one of those is Core Thundercracker. Core Swoop, Core Snarl, and the Nemesis are all maybe's at this point. I know there's leaked rumor of a deluxe G1 Gears for next year, but even he's a maybe. It's going to be interesting to see which figure is my last, but as of right now it looks to be SS86 Swoop.

I think I would be up for something new... But there are a few really solid reasons for me to bow-out by the end of 2024 (or as soon as I have my two copies of Swoop).

The good news for all of the non-G1 fans/collectors is that it looks like Hastak may be starting to get some good footing for continuing to branch-out and away from the OG's.
But that same group better hope all these Armada fans rise up and show up with their $$$$, because more and more 45+ yr olds like myself are probably buying less and less (if not retiring from the game all-together); if these multitudes of fans of other series don't step up financially, I wouldn't bank on TF toy lines continuing to thrive as they has been.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Rtron wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Armada Prime Looks good. I never loved the design, but it at least barely resembles G1 (Respects +) and I'm sure the armada fans will be happy (all three of them?) But those combiner hands in plain sight have no excuse. First one to say it's toy accuracy get thrown off the world. The combined mode idea always was alright and of course the trailer has a much more interesting base mode then G1 Prime (Not to say that the G1 base mode was bad or anything)



*I know this is kind of unrelated but I'm holding a funeral for the late RID deluxe Windblade on my collection page, check it out if you are really that bored. Thank you.

There's lot of Armada fans, and it's the differences with G1 that make this version of Optimus interesting for many. There's no need to gratuitously diss segments of the fandom just because they don't align with your taste.

Remind me where I said armada was stupid or that figure's spot should have gone to someone else. Did I say that?

Sorry, dude. Even I picked up the thinly veiled contempt and sarcasm toward anything NOT G1. And frankly it was unwarranted and effectively demonstrates a point I've made several times over the last few months. The Geewunners- "fans" of G1 who want EVERYTHING to be G1 and have nothing but hatred or contempt for those who enjoy other versions of Transformers. Frankly, it's BS and toxic. It's like someone who believes that Jose Cuervo is the pinnacle of tequila and ignoring Don Julio, Patron, 1942, Codigo, Cimarron and others of higher quality.

Mmmm I like me some patron

I have no desire for towline but he's an interesting one. Looks like mad max mystery machine or something. Was he a prominent character in RiD?

Razorbeast88 wrote:Mmmm I like me some patron

I have no desire for towline but he's an interesting one. Looks like mad max mystery machine or something. Was he a prominent character in RiD?

Yeah he was in RiD, but this seems more aimed at the Machine Wars version.

How long before this gets a Hoist repaint?

Gotta give Don Julio a try bro. Not a "shot" tequila, more one for sipping like a good whiskey.

Ig89ninja wrote:So this popped into my recommendations.

Beat ya to it by six hours over in this thread, since the leaked listings said it's a Buzzworthy Bumblebee release.

Of all the characters from Car Robots/ RiD, Skid-Z and Towline are ones I'd never think I'd want. The fact that he is a Junkion Weaponizers slight retool however puts him on my want list for sure. Funny how that works.

First-Aid wrote:How long before this gets a Hoist repaint?

Gotta give Don Julio a try bro. Not a "shot" tequila, more one for sipping like a good whiskey.

A Hoist out of this mold would be cool, like a more seasoned post-war version.

I like Don Julio too! I've also had 1800 and dobel diamante. Any others I can't remember at the moment

The aftermarket prices on Unicron Trilogy figures tell me that the fandom for it is very much alive and well. it's been 20 years, those kids are out of college, this was the right time.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Looking at the pictures of Armada Prime again, there's just one thing that I don't like: that big-ass (literally) butt-flap on the super mode.

It's hinged so hopefully it isn't pinned. At least parts can be removed from it so it's relatively flat.

Emerje

Sowndwave76 wrote:I wouldn't call myself "die-hard" for G1, and yet almost nothing else gets my attention.
I've said it before-- all of my interest in TF really stems from nostalgia; mainly from the show... And yeah, the old toys to some extent, but more so the cartoon and the '86 movie.
Which is why screen accuracy and bot modes are so important to me.
And why I don't care about parts-forming if it aids those aspects.
And why I don't care much about complexity/simplicity of transformation.
And why I don't give a shizz about weapon storage.

Oddly, I'm kind of the opposite. When I first started to blow my allowance on these things, the closest thing to screen accuracy some of these characters got was getting the color right (lookin' at you, Ironhide,) so it stopped bothering me after a while. As for parts storage, that was revolutionary. No longer having to keep up with a box of bits and pieces and trying to remember what missle went with whoever was a Godsend. Fake kibble, however, like a second car grille buried in the toy because the toy engineers couldn't duplicate the transformation from onscreen, seriously annoys me. That might be one of the reasons I dislike the Baybots so much.

Sowndwave76 wrote:But even with G1 characters, I don't like nor want them all.
If a figure (or really, character) doesn't look as good as I want it to, I'll pass on it.
Which is why I skipped everything from Siege except Springer and the 35th Anniversary versions of OP and Megs.

Another factor in me sticking to G1 characters is the cost...
I'm not going to spend money on figures I don't really want. And the financial side isn't really the issue.
I'm so far beyond getting figures "just to have them". That's where collecting gets really stupid imo.
I've narrowed what I have left to collect based on character.
Until there's some surprise releases that are currently unknown, I'm down to a 9 figure "Want" list.
And one of those is Core Thundercracker. Core Swoop, Core Snarl, and the Nemesis are all maybe's at this point. I know there's leaked rumor of a deluxe G1 Gears for next year, but even he's a maybe. It's going to be interesting to see which figure is my last, but as of right now it looks to be SS86 Swoop.

I think I would be up for something new... But there are a few really solid reasons for me to bow-out by the end of 2024 (or as soon as I have my two copies of Swoop).

The good news for all of the non-G1 fans/collectors is that it looks like Hastak may be starting to get some good footing for continuing to branch-out and away from the OG's.
But that same group better hope all these Armada fans rise up and show up with their $$$$, because more and more 45+ yr olds like myself are probably buying less and less (if not retiring from the game all-together); if these multitudes of fans of other series don't step up financially, I wouldn't bank on TF toy lines continuing to thrive as they has been.

I'm probably in the same boat here. I've gotten updated versions of many of the original G1's I've held on to as well as a few new characters, but there haven't been enough of them out there to amount to much outside of the kiddie lines. I've picked up less than a handful of releases since Siege and have given up hope of ever seeing a full-sized Monstructor. I'm holding on until the end of this year for the last of the Raiden trainbots, and that will likely be the end of it for me.

You can only dig up treasure in the nostalgia mines for so long, and that vein is beginning to run dry.

I look at it this way... as a fan of the original series, I am glad that high quality toys and great character representations of other eras are being made. If something strikes me as highly desirable, I'll get it. if not, I'll pass. I had the original Armada Prime (as well as Armada Jetfire and Overload).

The new CC Armada Optimus is better in every way, but it dosen't fit my personal current collection, so I'll pass. But I hope everyone who wants one, gets one. I hope Hasbro/TT continues to look at characters from other eras, while at the same time filling in gaps from the Original Series. It brings a nice balance, and helps budgeting since I dont feel the need to purchase everything.

As for Original Series Nostalgia... I look to Star Trek. That's never going to go away. Fans of the original series had their first fan convention in what... 1975? About 6 years after the series was dead with no prospects of revival. But the event was hugely popular. I think 1975 was also the first San Diego Comic-Con (probably not the first gathering of Comic Book fans , but definitely early on)

In contrast, the first Botcon was in 1994. Seven years after the TV show ended in the United States (only 4 years in Japan). The toy brand had been gone for only about 4 years in North America, but in some parts of the world it technically never ended. OG Series reruns were airing on the Sci-Fi channel, and G2 was in full swing. Nostalgia for the original is now almost 75% of this franchises life span (30 of the last 40 years), so I'm pretty sure the profitability of remaking characters from the original Series is never going to go away until all us old fogies are gone.

The super rad Junkion repaint looks p neat! Almost makes it hard to decide which one to pick, the designers said we have a couple more of them coming down the line too yes?

As for G1 remakes finally running their course somewhat, it is for sure about time but really it just echoes what happens with Generations 10 years ago and the UniTriology stuff before that, doing cool reimaginings of classic ideas. Which is also a great thing

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Scarr, Swoop and Volcanicus... Scarr (nice name change) looks beefy, giving Sludge a run for his money. Swoop almost looks cute Volcanicus looks beefy but... I can't believe I'm saying this... bland. I'm gonna wait on an in-person look because photos do add mass in the wrong places. The hands definitely cement the Monstructor association... But guys, they're dinos, not the Monsters we know:

Would take a lot of retooling to get the proper Monster Modes (some more than others)... But I'd be very pleasantly surprised if they did. For now, I'm betting on Dinoking or maybe a G2 redeco.

I don't think retooling is viable at that scale, wouldn't we need entirely new molds? I don't want Dinoking but do want Monstructor, and I would settle for straight repaints over nothing. Since the shells and inner alt-modes often didn't match, and since the latter often didn't look like anything, I don't think it would be a deal breaker.

On the other hand, I like how Legacy has replaced the Pretender robot modes with the shell designs, giving us articulated Decepticon monsters. If they did that team as proper Deluxes into a combiner, that would be best, but I don't know how likely that could be.