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News Credits: 12 · by **Razorbeast88** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:52 pm

Emerje wrote:The Transformers Team over on the Hasbro Pulse YouTube channel decided to have a little fun between BMac, Evan and Mark and do a sort of sports style "toy draft" picking their favorite figures of 2023 without duplicating picks for their "teams". They're picks were broken down by class as well as a wild card pick in no specific order. While mostly just something done for fun it did include quite a bit of banter between the three that has given us some insight into what we might find in the future as well as insight into the design process of figures they chose.

- It doesn't sound like they're working on a blue G2 Grimlock... yet.
- There was a brief, not by name mention of Dino King when talking about Core Scarr
- They actually called Nemesis "dommy mommy"... (Link is at least visually safe for work.)
- They said they have way more female characters than most people know about. Not sure if that meant to pick from or in the works.
- Apparently Takara gave the go ahead for SS86 Rumble and Frenzy to get their cartoon colors matched to their names (RiBFiR) after Siege went the other way (seemingly at Takara's request).
- Mark actually said Ultra Magnus has been under represented leading to the SS86 figure.
- Mark used some of Aaron Archer's original concept art when designing Commander Class Armada Optimus Prime.
- Mark was also the one that got Buzzworthy Tow-Line made.
- They joke about only making 4 SS86 Dinobots. They must hear that alot.
- Lots of gushing over Retro reissue pink Hot Rod and praise for that line in general.
- Mark actually went to a dump and waste management site for inspiration with Trashmaster (who was named by their copy editor).
- Tease more Insecticon repaints (but definitely no more Dinobots).

It's a little telling that while they praised the Studio Series line, most of their picks came from Legacy. Was there anything big that was missed? Let us know in the Seibertron Energon Pub forum!

This was great. Funny and fun to watch, I hope they do this more often

News Credits: 317 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:04 pm

News Credits: 9 · by **Sowndwave76** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:18 pm

cloudballoon wrote:I like the Origins WJ alt mode but not the chunky bot mode. I skipped on Jazz so I'll likely pass on this simply because I have no shelf space.

Tidal Wave is not for me, not into the designs of the Unicron Trilogy in general. And again, no shelf space. If I can squeeze out the space, I'll reserve it for Titan Nemesis anyway... but I'm still waiting for it to go on sale in Canada's Amazon/TRU. $300CDN + tax hurts my wallet too much.

I’m going to have to figure out something for more shelf space, but I have Jazz & Bee, and this Wheeljack looks good enough for me to get.

I’m with you on Tidal Wave. I’m okay with the UT designs, although I don’t love any of them. Again, the issue is shelf space.
And I’m also waiting for the Nemesis to go on sale. She just does not seem to be worth over $100 imo.
If the best sale I see is $120, I’ll definitely hesitate.

News Credits: 439 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:10 pm

Tidal Wave designer notes from Sam Smith. Click each link to see all the pictures and videos:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0zNOSGOACe/?img_index=1

Transformers Legacy United - Titan Tidal Wave

“Tidal Wave, Tidal Wave, Tidal Wave”

With the daunting chant on impending doom and having been officially announced at Cybertron Fest Singapore, let’s get into the details of Titan Tidal Wave. With the launch of Legacy United, we knew that there was no greater time to revisit this character at the titan scale. This guy was a blast to work on, but we had so many priorities we needed to define out of the gate. As a Titan, Tidal Wave needed to deliver a large scale super articulated robot. As a vehicle, he needed to deliver a large flying aquatic war craft, which needed to be assembled out of 3 smaller vehicle form factors (the dark fleet). Tidal Wave needed to combine with Armada Megatron, to create Burning Megatron and we felt that he needed to have an alt mode that was achievable without the need to separate the vehicles in assembly. I’d like to say that we were able to achieve 4 out of the 5, but in the end, we did them all!

Shogo Hasui (Hasui san) was an absolute rockstar to work with on this project, and continued to find incredible solutions in delivering such a massive undertaking. He continued to push this figure forward despite all the curve balls that we through to him.

In the end Tidal Wave delivers a super articulated Titan robot, with waist, ankle, clever butterfly shoulders, wrist and neck. His chest weaponry all 8 turrets points are articulated for rotation, with the larger 4 featuring articulated barrels and 5mm ports for blast effect compatibility. In addition, his palm cannons also used 5mm ports that can be utilized in robot and alt mode

Tidal Waves color spec is primary based on the Armada animation with a few pieces of influence from the original toy, similar to Armada Megatron.

What are your thoughts on Titan Tidal Wave? Was he a worthy selection for the next titan figure? Our would you have preferred to have seen him at a smaller scale? Let us know along with any other questions in the comments below!

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0zNcdlO6_x/?img_index=1

Transformers Legacy United - Titan Tidal Wave - Alt Mode

We decided early on, the importance of delivering the dark fleet as 3 separate vehicles to align to the original toy, and the consistent onscreen combination sequence that took place on screen. Due to this figure being super articulated, we would not be able to have him transform from robot to combined war craft without separating the vehicle forms. In order to avoid having him be referred to as a parts former, we introduced a secondary alt mode as a battle station / weapons fortress.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0zNoMVO0Tl/?img_index=1

Transformers Legacy United - Titan Tidal Wave - Combined Burning Megatron

In order to combine with Megatron to create Burning Megatron, miniature versions of the dark fleet can be extracted from various parts of Tidal Wave in order to combine. To avoid being left with a partial titan during the combination, we introduced a secondary transformation to the hands to keep them in tact so that a very in tact titan figure remains. The miniature versions are able able to be displayed as mini dark fleet vehicles, that convert into their armored accessories for Megatron.

To assist with the added weight of the components, and to deliver a more frightening Megatron, Foot extensions are included to raise the characters height, along with the ability to port the arm weaponry into the sides of the arms or the upper shoulders.

And additional info from the comments:

News Credits: 317 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:30 pm

So they realized Armada Megs was too small so they include new feet. I'd be less salty about it if there was a way for the feet to fully integrate with Megs.

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:18 am

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So they realized Armada Megs was too small so they include new feet. I'd be less salty about it if there was a way for the feet to fully integrate with Megs.

That's not really it. He was too small when COMBINED. So it make sense that he get extra boots when combining.

News Credits: 4 · by **Quantum Surge** » Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:22 pm

Munkky wrote:
Emerje wrote:- They actually called Nemesis "dommy mommy"

Ah, men of culture I see.

No joke though, if I had bought the Nemesis my head-canon personality for her would've been a cutesy anime girl who doesn't really like fighting and treats the other Transformers like kittens or puppies ("OMG SO CUTE!!!" for example), in complete juxtaposition to everything else about her. I've decided I want Tidal Wave more than the Nemesis so I likely won't get her, but it's still funny to think about.

I have them share a space as a married couple in my collection. If we did get the Legacy show, their wedding should have played a Barry White song while they danced.

News Credits: 4509 · by **william-james88** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:56 am

Big news, the Transformers Legacy United line is being distributed across the globe and starting to appear in stores. This particular sighting is from a Toysrus in Singapore and it's only for the deluxe class figures. This includes Cyberverse Windblade, Rescue Bots Chase, Animated Bumblebee and Magneous, which is part of 2024's Rock Lord type gimmick for the line.

We have videos if you want a better look at the figures coming from Prime vs Prime and Chuckdawg 1999.

The images of the sighting come from Isaac who posted on Facebook.

News Credits: 12 · by **Razorbeast88** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:29 am

So who are the bots on tidal waves box art?

News Credits: 5 · by **Overcracker** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:00 pm

Razorbeast88 wrote:So who are the bots on tidal waves box art?

quote="Overcracker"]

Emerje wrote:Soooo, are any of the bots on the box art actually recognizable as real characters? I'm stumped though the two in the water look a little familiar. Are they generics from the Armada cartoon? I looked through Insecticons.com and didn't really see any matches.

Emerje

Can't see any that I recognize as actual characters.

I can se a brown guy on the left that appears to turn into a car.
An Impactor-ey looking dude by TW's right leg in the water. Near him someone that looks vaguely like R.I.D Tow-line.

Blue and gray, Beachcomb-ey guy. Green and purple dude on TW's knee(no clue), some guy with striped legs and a blue chest, I know I've seen the color scheme some where but can't place it. Reminds me of G2 Spark, but it's not right, because the stripes were only in his truck mode.[/quote]

News Credits: 2 · by **First-Aid** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:00 pm

.....aaaaaand I'm still looking for wave 2 of the Legacy deluxes in the stores.

News Credits: 1641 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:29 pm

Razorbeast88 wrote:So who are the bots on tidal waves box art?

One appears to be a repaint of Trashmaster as Rescue Bot Salvage

News Credits: 1641 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:29 pm

I have received the first 5 figures of the wave, with all but Tigerhawk set to arrive this week. Wanted to share some thoughts on those figures, as well as Medix, since I got him as well.

Let's start with Medix: He is neato, a nice basic figure, but I like that I have this character now, and I do intend for him to go to the Aligned autobots shelf. Kinda wish he didn't have his blue gun, feels extraneous, but I can live with it.

Next up was the first pair I got, Thundertron and Magneous.

Thundertron is a really cool figure. I love this guy. They really got a good look on him, a cool aesthetic the headsculpt is great, the lion mode head rules, and he is just a fun guy. I like him, very solid, and I only ever had the Lio Prime repaint of the OG mold, so it still feels new to me since i didn't have the character yet.

magneous is a star, let me tell you. You cannot tell me movie Ironhide didn't influence this guy. He is just so cool! I love the rock look to him, the colors are good, the headsculpt rocks, he is just a great figure! A nice addition to the come apart guys.

Up next we have Bouldercrash, Chase, and Animated Prime.

Bouldercrash is nice, the colors and aesthetic are good, and he looks good with Magneous. I wish his sword mode was a little tighter, but it's hardly a problem for me.

Chase is pretty solid, The transformation is inspired with how the legs work, not what I was expecting at all. He is good, and he looks good with his old toy and Generations Rescue bots!

Animated Prime, however. oh man. Animated Prime is the standout star of the wave so far, and arguably for me, he is the standout voyager for Legacy so far. He is just so dang good! They really captured the Animated spirit here, he is really solid, really fun, really cool, he is really everything good! Transformation is inspired, I love how the axe works and the fact that he can draw it. He is just so good. He is definitely my favorite so far.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:49 pm

D-Maximal_Primal wrote: Let's start with Medix: He is neato, a nice basic figure, but I like that I have this character now, and I do intend for him to go to the Aligned autobots shelf. Kinda wish he didn't have his blue gun, feels extraneous, but I can live with it.

The blue gun is a call back to the Botcon figure. I like that bit of attention.

Emerje

News Credits: 1641 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:05 pm

Emerje wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote: Let's start with Medix: He is neato, a nice basic figure, but I like that I have this character now, and I do intend for him to go to the Aligned autobots shelf. Kinda wish he didn't have his blue gun, feels extraneous, but I can live with it.

The blue gun is a call back to the Botcon figure. I like that bit of attention.

Emerje

Then I am good with it

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:24 am

Wow that Animated Optimus is a serious letdown. From that ridiculous face to the proportions, he continues the trend of showing why Animated should NOT be G1-ified.

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:27 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:Wow that Animated Optimus is a serious letdown. From that ridiculous face to the proportions, he continues the trend of showing why Animated should NOT be G1-ified.

I agree that the mix is weird. There's something that just don't work with that Optimus and the upcoming Bee.

At least, Prowl is great enough and stand on his own without looking uncanny.

News Credits: 1641 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:09 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:Wow that Animated Optimus is a serious letdown. From that ridiculous face to the proportions, he continues the trend of showing why Animated should NOT be G1-ified.

I completely disagree. They captured the Animated spirit in him, and they made him really good. Could he have used a longer/narrow mid-torso? yes. But seriously, they did him really good here.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:34 am

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Wow that Animated Optimus is a serious letdown. From that ridiculous face to the proportions, he continues the trend of showing why Animated should NOT be G1-ified.

I completely disagree. They captured the Animated spirit in him, and they made him really good. Could he have used a longer/narrow mid-torso? yes. But seriously, they did him really good here.

Agreed. Of all the Animated figures they've done I think he's the most successful. I don't think Bumblebee is all that bad either.

Emerje

News Credits: 1641 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:22 am

Emerje wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Wow that Animated Optimus is a serious letdown. From that ridiculous face to the proportions, he continues the trend of showing why Animated should NOT be G1-ified.

I completely disagree. They captured the Animated spirit in him, and they made him really good. Could he have used a longer/narrow mid-torso? yes. But seriously, they did him really good here.

Agreed. Of all the Animated figures they've done I think he's the most successful. I don't think Bumblebee is all that bad either.

Emerje

Having not yet gotten my Bee in hand, the only thing I wished from Bee was that he had bigger feet/boots

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:12 pm

Most Animated figures that have/may get a "modern" make over fall into the trap of "It's hard to top the original"

News Credits: 439 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:16 pm

Burn wrote:Most Animated figures that have/may get a "modern" make over fall into the trap of "It's hard to top the original"

Not unless the original wasn't really good to begin with (as was the case with Animated Voyager Optimus being stuck with a bad Automorph that greatly destabilized the figure, a mouthplate gimmick that only barely revealed his face beneath it, and a weapon that could only generously be described as an "axe"; his Deluxe molds were much better figures, but weren't big enough).

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:38 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Burn wrote:Most Animated figures that have/may get a "modern" make over fall into the trap of "It's hard to top the original"
Not unless the original wasn't really good to begin with (as was the case with Animated Voyager Optimus being stuck with a bad Automorph that greatly destabilized the figure, a mouthplate gimmick that only barely revealed his face beneath it, and a weapon that could only generously be described as an "axe"; his Deluxe molds were much better figures, but weren't big enough).

"Almost exactly like the original, just remove the play features" really is a Generations collector mindset, huh. I mean you can barely notice those aspects when it's just sitting there on the shelf anyway. Personally, I'm passing on Legacy since I have the vintage one, but I would rather be happy with one toy than unhappy with two.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:14 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Burn wrote:Most Animated figures that have/may get a "modern" make over fall into the trap of "It's hard to top the original"
Not unless the original wasn't really good to begin with (as was the case with Animated Voyager Optimus being stuck with a bad Automorph that greatly destabilized the figure, a mouthplate gimmick that only barely revealed his face beneath it, and a weapon that could only generously be described as an "axe"; his Deluxe molds were much better figures, but weren't big enough).

Hence why I said "MOST". I'm well aware there was a couple of stinkers, but most of the others will be hard to top.

News Credits: 5 · by **Overcracker** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:34 pm

AcademyofDrX wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Burn wrote:Most Animated figures that have/may get a "modern" make over fall into the trap of "It's hard to top the original"
Not unless the original wasn't really good to begin with (as was the case with Animated Voyager Optimus being stuck with a bad Automorph that greatly destabilized the figure, a mouthplate gimmick that only barely revealed his face beneath it, and a weapon that could only generously be described as an "axe"; his Deluxe molds were much better figures, but weren't big enough).

"Almost exactly like the original, just remove the play features" really is a Generations collector mindset, huh. I mean you can barely notice those aspects when it's just sitting there on the shelf anyway. Personally, I'm passing on Legacy since I have the vintage one, but I would rather be happy with one toy than unhappy with two.

Prime got the short end of the stick in Animated.

The Cybertronian Deluxe, is pretty good, but just a deluxe, with a very dinky axe.

Transformers Animated Optimus Prime (Cybertron Mode) Gallery

The earth mode deluxe got the black symbiotic paint apps at least in the west.

Transformers Animated Optimus Prime Gallery

And the Voyager has that super annoying spinning leg gimmick, that never really worked all that well., and the weird trailer axe. The mouth-plate gimmick, was the lesser of its issues.

Transformers Animated Optimus Prime Gallery