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Well, neither of those is the light shade of gray the new figure has. That's what I'm trying to say. The toy should be colored the same darker shade that's in both of those examples, especially in the Ultimate Guide. (Even though wasn't that dismissed years ago as non-canon, but just one variation of things as shown by Simon Furman?)

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, neither of those is the light shade of gray the new figure has. That's what I'm trying to say. The toy should be colored the same darker shade that's in both of those examples, especially in the Ultimate Guide. (Even though wasn't that dismissed years ago as non-canon, but just one variation of things as shown by Simon Furman?)

The Mainframe art is all I was pointing out with that scan, and we know that's canon. What the text says is irrelevant to this case.

Rodimus Prime wrote:He was supposed to be a fused wolf and eagle, right? I guess I can buy his top half being that color if we're talking a gray wolf, but I think even those are a bit darker. And his legs are supposed to be an eagle's. Do eagles have gray legs?

Wait, and I don't mean this to come across as antagonistic or anything, but are you just not familiar with the variety of animals out there? Most animals, even among the same species can still be very varied in their colors and patterns. Them saying Silverbolt is part eagle and part wolf is about as non specific as you can get. There's more than just bald eagles out there, gray eagles are a real thing just like gray wolves.

South American gray eagle


Gray Tundra wolves


Obviously a toy isn't going to get all the color nuances, but I think they did a pretty good job with the black down the back of beast mode. This figure has colors closer to the cartoon than the original toy. Modern Hasbro is still trying to make Beast Wars figures look somewhat realistic, but they're at the mercy of 90s Hasbro's choice of colors like metallic gold. If anything I think the new figure could stand to be slightly lighter colored.

Emerje

Well, they have to make room for the upcoming Takara "premium finish" version in a sure to come 2 pack. But who Silverbolt would be packed with?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, they have to make room for the upcoming Takara "premium finish" version in a sure to come 2 pack. But who Silverbolt would be packed with?

Originally it was Rampage so it may be a while before we see Silverbolt in a BWA 2 pack.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:He was supposed to be a fused wolf and eagle, right? I guess I can buy his top half being that color if we're talking a gray wolf, but I think even those are a bit darker. And his legs are supposed to be an eagle's. Do eagles have gray legs?

Wait, and I don't mean this to come across as antagonistic or anything, but are you just not familiar with the variety of animals out there? Most animals, even among the same species can still be very varied in their colors and patterns. Them saying Silverbolt is part eagle and part wolf is about as non specific as you can get. There's more than just bald eagles out there, gray eagles are a real thing just like gray wolves.

South American gray eagle

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Gray Tundra wolves

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I was genuinely asking those questions, I am not familiar with all the varieties of eagles. I DID know there are more species of eagles than just the bald eagle. Wolves, I know a bit more about, but the gray tundra wolf specifically did not come to mind.

Obviously a toy isn't going to get all the color nuances, but I think they did a pretty good job with the black down the back of beast mode. This figure has colors closer to the cartoon than the original toy. Modern Hasbro is still trying to make Beast Wars figures look somewhat realistic, but they're at the mercy of 90s Hasbro's choice of colors like metallic gold. If anything I think the new figure could stand to be slightly lighter colored.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Each toy iteration of a character is a chance to fix previous failings, and unless they specifically wanted to adhere to the original toy's scheme, the new toy also fails, even if it's closer. But this is all a matter of opinion, if its acceptable to you, that's fine with me. It's not acceptable to me, and that should be okay with you. We're not spending each other's money on it after all.

Well, here's another piece of official Mainframe art for Silverbolt:



Also, back when Takara was releasing their Beast Wars Metals line in 1999, they redecoed almost every figure in more show-accurate coloring. Consequently, the Takara Silverbolt was much whiter than the Hasbro version.

Hasbro Silverbolt on the left, Takara Silverbolt on the right:







But not as white as Windrazor:

We know the Transformers fandom has been hankering for something new to order and this article is to let you know that new preorders are upon us. This Thursday, Hasbro will reveal the Transformers Star Raiders figures (remember, these have yet to be revealed officially) and the preorders will go live.

We have the web pages for those preorders below so that you can be ready.

Remember, some Walmart exclusive never made it to store shelves and remained online only, like Galaxy Shuttle and TLK Hot Rod.

Here are the links:

Lockdown: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers ... 5290101948

Cannonball: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers ... 5226743233

Ferak: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers ... 5285700004

Filch: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers ... 5290101950

Any thoughts on which one will be the most sought after and triple in price almost overnight? lol
Probably not looking at a repeat Cosmos situation as each DLX figure should come 2 each making it 6 bots per case right? While Ferak is 4X per case?

For some reason I thought there was a 5th figure, another voyager.

If not, I guess Ferak will be solid case, which is good for me since that's the only one I want.

Till-all-R1 wrote:Any thoughts on which one will be the most sought after and triple in price almost overnight? lol
Probably not looking at a repeat Cosmos situation as each DLX figure should come 2 each making it 6 bots per case right? While Ferak is 4X per case?

You'd have gotten the same issue if Cosmos was 2 per case, which we saw with Crasher.

But none of these figures are of G1 show characters, and none have very unique molding so if any are hard to find it will only be because of bad distribution and not due to demand.

Rodimus Prime wrote:For some reason I thought there was a 5th figure, another voyager.

If not, I guess Ferak will be solid case, which is good for me since that's the only one I want.

Ferak is the only voyager, but there's also Roadpig as a deluxe and Thundertron as a leader

I forget, does Walmart charge in advance or when things ship?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I forget, does Walmart charge in advance or when things ship?

They put a hold, but unlike many retailers, for some reason it takes several days (rather than just a "check" to make sure funds are there). So they dont actually charge until the item ships, but to secure your order, may take several days, kind of annoying.

As for which will be the hardest to find.... The voyager and leader being only 1 (and in cases of and 3 respectively) should be easy enough to obtain if they do show up in stores (Like G2 Grimlock, Toxitron, and the Voyager Cloudcover were in abundance).

If there are 4 deluxes (Cases of 8, and 2 per case), that would be even, then as WJ said, its up to distribution. My guess is that Lockdown might be slightly more popular than the others, but I honestly dont know. I'm just being pessimistic because Lockdown is the only one I'm remotely interested in, so according to Murphys law, that WILL be the hardest to get .

Lastly, is Roadpig part of this subline? I thought he was part of something else?

o.supreme wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I forget, does Walmart charge in advance or when things ship?

They put a hold, but unlike many retailers, for some reason it takes several days (rather than just a "check" to make sure funds are there). So they dont actually charge until the item ships, but to secure your order, may take several days, kind of annoying.

As for which will be the hardest to find.... The voyager and leader being only 1 (and in cases of and 3 respectively) should be easy enough to obtain if they do show up in stores (Like G2 Grimlock, Toxitron, and the Voyager Cloudcover were in abundance).

If there are 4 deluxes (Cases of 8, and 2 per case), that would be even, then as WJ said, its up to distribution. My guess is that Lockdown might be slightly more popular than the others, but I honestly dont know. I'm just being pessimistic because Lockdown is the only one I'm remotely interested in, so according to Murphys law, that WILL be the hardest to get .

Lastly, is Roadpig part of this subline? I thought he was part of something else?

Roadpig is part of this subline

o.supreme wrote:As for which will be the hardest to find.... The voyager and leader being only 1 (and in cases of and 3 respectively) should be easy enough to obtain if they do show up in stores (Like G2 Grimlock, Toxitron, and the Voyager Cloudcover were in abundance).

I wish! Between my two local stores one skipped the entire line all together, the other had multiple restocks of the Deluxes (I think I counted 6 times) and Cloudcover was plentiful (and still is) but never got the leaders, didn't even make space for them. Many reported the same and others even reported the Leaders going directly to clearance. Distribution of exclusive at Walmart is about as random as it gets, always has been, what's abundant at one store can be non existent at the next. We won't really know what's easy to get until after they show up in stores, we can't even use past distribution as a metric.

Lastly, is Roadpig part of this subline? I thought he was part of something else?

Yes Roadpig is the fourth Deluxe, there's only four this time around.

Emerje

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:For some reason I thought there was a 5th figure, another voyager.

If not, I guess Ferak will be solid case, which is good for me since that's the only one I want.

Ferak is the only voyager, but there's also Roadpig as a deluxe and Thundertron as a leader

I am genuinely amazed there hasn't been a Cyclonus Armada redeco in the Legacy or even SS'86 line yet? Universe Cyclonus had at least three colour variations of purple. The Secondary Cyclonus (that had more screen time than the fifth Dinobot) could easily work with one of those.

Emerje wrote: is about as random as it gets, always has been, what's abundant at one store can be non existent at the next. We won't really know what's easy to get until after they show up in stores, we can't even use past distribution as a metric.

Emerje

You got all the deluxes, I got the Leaders. Too bad the stores near us couldn't have swapped these out to our preferences Yeah Distribution sucks. Paying scalper prices for a single deluxe because it was not obtainable is not something I like doing.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I am genuinely amazed there hasn't been a Cyclonus Armada redeco in the Legacy or even SS'86 line yet? Universe Cyclonus had at least three colour variations of purple. The Secondary Cyclonus (that had more screen time than the fifth Dinobot) could easily work with one of those.

Maybe because he was on screen for only a few shots? We did get a Sweep from the Scourge mold (whose deco ironically looks more like Scourge than Scourge does) so I guess we could get a "Cy-clone-us" as well. Probably towards the tail end of SS86, when they run out of characters.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I am genuinely amazed there hasn't been a Cyclonus Armada redeco in the Legacy or even SS'86 line yet? Universe Cyclonus had at least three colour variations of purple. The Secondary Cyclonus (that had more screen time than the fifth Dinobot) could easily work with one of those.

Maybe because he was on screen for only a few shots? We did get a Sweep from the Scourge mold (whose deco ironically looks more like Scourge than Scourge does) so I guess we could get a "Cy-clone-us" as well. Probably towards the tail end of SS86, when they run out of characters.

Some have bought the Selects toy-colors Cyclonus to use as an Armada.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe because he was on screen for only a few shots?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote: The Secondary Cyclonus (that had more screen time than the fifth Dinobot)

It was joked that Snarl shouldn't have been part of the SS'86 line for that very reason. Yet his figure exists

Rodimus Prime wrote:We did get a Sweep from the Scourge mold (whose deco ironically looks more like Scourge than Scourge does) so I guess we could get a "Cy-clone-us" as well. Probably towards the tail end of SS86, when they run out of characters.

I'm surprised they didn't release Armada at the same time as the Sweeps to be fair. Both Cyclonus and Scourge are army builders within the context of the Movie. So it does seem like an oversight.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm surprised they didn't release Armada at the same time as the Sweeps to be fair. Both Cyclonus and Scourge are army builders within the context of the Movie. So it does seem like an oversight.

Apparently, the Sweep release happened because they use the wrong/a bad color source for Scourge's deco, with the Sweep having the correct deco for Scourge.

Also:

Sabrblade wrote:Some have bought the Selects toy-colors Cyclonus to use as an Armada.

Sabrblade wrote:Apparently, the Sweep release happened because they use the wrong/a bad color source for Scourge's deco, with the Sweep having the correct deco for Scourge.

Interesting. In truth it does still bother me that Sweep was sold as an individual figure. A twin pack at least should be mandatory for a troop builder.

Sabrblade wrote:Some have bought the Selects toy-colors Cyclonus to use as an Armada.

I know, I read that before commenting. But the added decals and blue "ears" bug me with that release. If anything, Selects could be Cyclonus and Armada the other release. But it still isn't ideal. Given that just like the Sweeps, the majority of the colour scheme should look the same.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Some have bought the Selects toy-colors Cyclonus to use as an Armada.

I know, I read that before commenting. But the added decals and blue "ears" bug me with that release. If anything, Selects could be Cyclonus and Armada the other release. But it still isn't ideal. Given that just like the Sweeps, the majority of the colour scheme should look the same.

Most of those details are stickers that you have to apply yourself, so the base figure doesn't have them.

Sabrblade wrote:Most of those details are stickers that you have to apply yourself, so the base figure doesn't have them.

True. But those ears still aren't right
Plus, the two tones of purple on the other Cyclonus should have been flipped really.