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Rainmaker wrote:Does the matrix use the headmaster ports from TR? Does that mean we can give a TR figure a matrix head?

As with all Prime Masters, yes

Albatross250 wrote:
I-Is that Thunderwing... and Megatronus?!

Prima and Megatronus, despite how it looks. And unfortunately, as discussed a few pages back; these are not looks at upcoming products -- they were concepts that were scrapped.

Optimus & Rodimus' matrix cores look like they will be very much improved by swapping then over so they match the frames.

VERY disappointed in Optimus Primal looks like he will have an OK c Transmetal Gorilla Mode and an OK robot mode a slightly iffy jet mode and not ground mode at all - combine that with that they couldn't even get a Cybertron Gorrila mode out of the core robot i'm not terribly impressed.

I smell 3rd Upgrade kits galore cooking already for this line.

Most of them will work out OK after some 3rd party TLC is applied to them I expect.

I'd be pretty shocked if they actually release Megatronus and Prima's Leaders though. But not at all displeased if they decide to revisit the idea of offer them in some way.

RobRobRobRobRob wrote:You know, I've been thinking about it, and you know what that Rippersnapper would be great retooled as? A deluxe Repugnus. Am I right?

Yeah, that would definitely work.

bluecatcinema wrote:

RobRobRobRobRob wrote:You know, I've been thinking about it, and you know what that Rippersnapper would be great retooled as? A deluxe Repugnus. Am I right?

Yeah, that would definitely work.

In that same vein, I wonder if Twinferno is going to be used for Sinnertwin...

Also, holy heck there are a ton of matrices of leadership in this line. Optimus, Rodimus, Primal, Predaking....

Kurona wrote:Also, holy heck there are a ton of matrices of leadership in this line. Optimus, Rodimus, Primal, Predaking....

The gimmick of this line seems to imply that a matrix core and the spark of one of the thirteen is basicalyl the same thing.
So - in POTP at least - it looks like up to 13 12 matrix can co-exist.

And while writing that, I realize I may have missed something. Who is the missing Prime ? We talk about the thirteen, but there's only 12 PM.

ExciKaiser wrote:

Kurona wrote:Also, holy heck there are a ton of matrices of leadership in this line. Optimus, Rodimus, Primal, Predaking....

The gimmick of this line seems to imply that a matrix core and the spark of one of the thirteen is basicalyl the same thing.
So - in POTP at least - it looks like up to 13 12 matrix can co-exist.

And while writing that, I realize I may have missed something. Who is the missing Prime ? We talk about the thirteen, but there's only 12 PM.

I'm guessing either Optimus or The Fallen.

CobraKai wrote:At first glance, Optimus looked nice. Then I realized Orion Pax needs a trailer to look like a standard Optimus Prime figure (usually without a trailer). Then I realized his chest kibble is a cheat.... AGAIN!! Is it that hard to engineer Optimus to have real chest windows? At least Powermaster Prime got it.

That upset me at first too, but to be fair, the fake windshield and grill end up directly in front of the real ones. So it's just to make them look better, not because they couldn't actually get them to end up in the right place.

Soundwave-Superior wrote:
That upset me at first too, but to be fair, the fake windshield and grill end up directly in front of the real ones. So it's just to make them look better, not because they couldn't actually get them to end up in the right place.

Yes, sames as Prime's first edition Optimus. I don't like Faux-parts, but this ones are the kind I can accept.

We can even see the real ones by opening the chest, and we need to open the real ones to access the matrix, so it makes sense for me.

Faux parts are only a negative to me when it's an aid to lazy transformation. I don't mind fake parts existing in lieu of getting the real part to a particular place when the figure has an otherwise good transformation.

Emerje wrote:I'm looking forward to forming King Starscream with Headmaster Starscream in his chest and Ghost Starscream as an arm.

Star-ception!

Voyager 'screamer is warming to me, if only because he is a combiner torso, but I may just leave the mold until Elita-1 is released.

So if Starscream is a spare torso, does that mean that Jazz, Dreadwind, and Blackwing might be spare limbs too?

Kurona wrote:

bluecatcinema wrote:

RobRobRobRobRob wrote:You know, I've been thinking about it, and you know what that Rippersnapper would be great retooled as? A deluxe Repugnus. Am I right?

Yeah, that would definitely work.

In that same vein, I wonder if Twinferno is going to be used for Sinnertwin...

Also, holy heck there are a ton of matrices of leadership in this line. Optimus, Rodimus, Primal, Predaking....

Twinferno, like a reverse TR Chromedome/CW Dead End deal? Where the headmaster figure is re engineered into the combiner figure? Twinferno does have that large cockpit area right in the middle of the body that could be swapped out for a combiner peg....

mordhelm wrote:So if Starscream is a spare torso, does that mean that Jazz, Dreadwind, and Blackwing might be spare limbs too?

yeah, thats what I think.

william-james88 wrote:

mordhelm wrote:So if Starscream is a spare torso, does that mean that Jazz, Dreadwind, and Blackwing might be spare limbs too?

yeah, thats what I think.

I highly doubt that the limbs are going to be extras. And even if they are "extras" there's still 4-8 deluxe's left in the line so at what point do the extras stay extras and not become part of a team?

Rainmaker wrote:Does the matrix use the headmaster ports from TR? Does that mean we can give a TR figure a matrix head?

We can also stick a Rodimus Prime or Hot Rod head inside Rodimus Prime for Rodimusception.

steals_your_goats wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

mordhelm wrote:So if Starscream is a spare torso, does that mean that Jazz, Dreadwind, and Blackwing might be spare limbs too?

yeah, thats what I think.

I highly doubt that the limbs are going to be extras. And even if they are "extras" there's still 4-8 deluxe's left in the line so at what point do the extras stay extras and not become part of a team?

If "extras" means combiner limbs that don't belong to a dedicated team like the Terrorcons, then we've already seen this 'extras' plan in action with all the combiner Autobots in Combiner Wars. Mirage isn't part of a combiner team, they just made one up for him to join. In this sense, Mirage is an extra. The same for Jazz and everyone in PotP.

I don't think I've been disappointed by any of the reveals. Now I just need to figure out what stuff is being replaced.

I mean, holy cats, Hot Rod and Rodimus look great!! And Optimus Primal to hoverboard to Optimal Optimus is awesome!! I owned Transmetal Optimus Primal and Megatron back in the old times before returning them and getting Transmetal 2 Optimal Optimus, so that hoverboard mode is awesome to me!

I can't believe I'll have all 5 legitimate G1-esque Dinobots finally. And then a 6th for good measure!

I'm also pretty excited to see how Optimus will look next to CW leader Megatron. That'll be nice!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ok, let's look at King Starscream here:



Observation: Dreadwind is an arm... and he uses Rippersnapper as a leg.
Hypothesis: He's a spare torso like regular CW Optimus Prime, Cyclonus, and non-box set Scattershot.

Conclusion: Will Hopefully make a new Combiner for Starscream.

o.supreme wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ok, let's look at King Starscream here:



Observation: Dreadwind is an arm... and he uses Rippersnapper as a leg.
Hypothesis: He's a spare torso like regular CW Optimus Prime, Cyclonus, and non-box set Scattershot.

Conclusion: Will Hopefully make a new Combiner for Starscream.

I can see 2 things coming from Takara with starscream. He's either going to get his own team like cyclonus or ehobby is going to turn him into ghost starscream like they did with Grand scourge

steals_your_goats wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

mordhelm wrote:So if Starscream is a spare torso, does that mean that Jazz, Dreadwind, and Blackwing might be spare limbs too?

yeah, thats what I think.

I highly doubt that the limbs are going to be extras. And even if they are "extras" there's still 4-8 deluxe's left in the line so at what point do the extras stay extras and not become part of a team?

Thats up to anyone really. In combiner wars, if you bought all the may mayhen stuff you ended up with Rook, Alpha Bravo and Offroad as extras. And even then Combiner Wars was far more structured. Here, unlike combiner wars, we arent geting unified waves with Wave 4 of deluxes only has 1 new toys and repacks. That is a dead giveaway that things arent the same here.

o.supreme wrote:Conclusion: Will Hopefully make a new Combiner for Starscream.

Ah ****, now it means I have to wait again to see what takara tomy has up their sleeves instead of just buying the hasbro product right away.

My son though it was amusing, after this comes out, if you take Ghost Strarscream & SG Starscream, you could have a Combiner that's 60% SS . Just a couple more Random Limbs, of Course SS would be the one bot who would make a combiner out of himself .

william-james88 wrote:
Ah ****, now it means I have to wait again to see what takara tomy has up their sleeves instead of just buying the hasbro product right away.

That was my plan all along, no worries though, if these hit store shelves by end of year, (probably wont hit my area until a month or so later...) should reveal something by then hopefully, so for a completist like myself, I will know which limbs are unique to Hasbro by then so those will be the only ones I need to purchase at that time

o.supreme wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ok, let's look at King Starscream here:



Observation: Dreadwind is an arm... and he uses Rippersnapper as a leg.
Hypothesis: He's a spare torso like regular CW Optimus Prime, Cyclonus, and non-box set Scattershot.

Conclusion: Will Hopefully make a new Combiner for Starscream.

Do we know if CW limbs are compatible?

I could see that Ghost Starscream tooling being issued as Thundercracker, Skywarp, Sunstorm, and perhaps Slipstream?

hello I'm new, but anyway,
Did anyone else noticed how starscreams combined mode boxart, shows his forearms as the thighs of the combined mode (or looks like it), and how on his shoulder area you can see the thrusters of the jet mode from his feet, so it would appear that this new starscream combines rather like cw silverbolt, don't know if that's already been pointed out, but just an observation.
I'm just hoping for other seekers to be repainted for that mold, like how we got the leader class seekers in cw (starscream, skywarp and thundercracker) love me a seeker.