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Sabrblade wrote:It just hit me why the sculpt of this new Kup mold looks so off and blocky. It's no ordinary Kup design, but rather, it takes several design cues from the robot mode of Guido Guidi's IDW Kup design that was first seen in All Hail Megatron.



That's why the arms and shoulders are so boxy.

And that's why the toy-based colors look even more odd on that mold than the should. They put toy-based colors on a Kup whose body design is based on one whose colors were more cartoon-based than anything.

Perceptor also takes a lot of cues from his IDW design originating from AHM; from his gun to his shoulders.

With both of those and that new Drift figure using his old design I can't say I enjoy the idea of continuing influence from AHM...

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Also there's the whole "Sergeant" Kup moniker which started a few years back. Why cant he just be plain old Kup? I cant imagine with that spelling someone else would have that trademarked.

It probably isn't due to any other company having the name, but due to the name possibly being too generic/common/ordinary a word to Trademark. Even if it's spelled with a K, the Trademark laws might deem that to be not enough to differentiate it from the normal C-spelled version of the word.

So...It's kind of like Korn Dog....or is it Corn Dog?

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Ah great, a fan. I was looking for one of you. I read it and was confused. How was Optimus fine all of a sudden when the autobots looked so hopeless and Optimus looked totally destroyed from the begining?

Probably the same power that Ultra Magnus used in one of the Final issues in MTMTE to be blown apart in one panel, and be fine in the next .

I know you are kidding around, but I was quite serious, since its a big issue I had. MTMTE was tongue in cheek. It was one moment in one issue and the whole deal wth Ultra Magnus is that he's actually a little guy so he can blow up his giant suit, its not him. But all of AHM lingered on Prime being out of the fight. Who can stop Megatron if Prime cant? That goes on for the entire series until the penultimate issue when Prime rallies up his gang and goes to beat him up. And i was just like "wait, how is Prime ok?". The entire series until that point now felt totally wasted since him being out of the picture was pointless. "who can defeat Megaron when Optimus Prime is out of the picture?" The answer is "Optimus Prime".

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Just my thoughts and I was hoping you could clarify on them.

Here we go again.

Looks like Hasbro and TakaraTomy are still up to their old ways, by releasing the inaccurate deco through Hasbro. Then, the accurate version will be released by TT.

Sabrblade wrote:It probably isn't due to any other company having the name, but due to the name possibly being too generic/common/ordinary a word to Trademark. Even if it's spelled with a K, the Trademark laws might deem that to be not enough to differentiate it from the normal C-spelled version of the word.

Reminds me of that kup cup:

thedistinctroom wrote:Here we go again.

Looks like Hasbro and TakaraTomy are still up to their old ways, by releasing the inaccurate deco through Hasbro. Then, the accurate version will be released by TT.

Its not always bad. Sometimes Hasbro does somethign really interesting. Like with Dragstrip. And as for Skylynx, its not like Takara really improved anything there. And Weirdwolf's Hasbro deco is awesome!

Kurona wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:It just hit me why the sculpt of this new Kup mold looks so off and blocky. It's no ordinary Kup design, but rather, it takes several design cues from the robot mode of Guido Guidi's IDW Kup design that was first seen in All Hail Megatron.



That's why the arms and shoulders are so boxy.

And that's why the toy-based colors look even more odd on that mold than the should. They put toy-based colors on a Kup whose body design is based on one whose colors were more cartoon-based than anything.

Perceptor also takes a lot of cues from his IDW design originating from AHM; from his gun to his shoulders.

With both of those and that new Drift figure using his old design I can't say I enjoy the idea of continuing influence from AHM...

In Kup's defense, his Guidi design has superseded its original AHM use to continue on into more recent works, such as MTMTE (circa Dark Cybertron):



And Revolutionaries:

thedistinctroom wrote:Here we go again.

Looks like Hasbro and TakaraTomy are still up to their old ways, by releasing the inaccurate deco through Hasbro. Then, the accurate version will be released by TT.

Takara's really won't be that accurate if they give it a slavishly cartoon-based color layout, since the body design is an IDW-based one.

But then again, they did go IDW-accurate for both Ultra Magnus and Skids, so who knows?

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:It just hit me why the sculpt of this new Kup mold looks so off and blocky. It's no ordinary Kup design, but rather, it takes several design cues from the robot mode of Guido Guidi's IDW Kup design that was first seen in All Hail Megatron.



That's why the arms and shoulders are so boxy.

And that's why the toy-based colors look even more odd on that mold than the should. They put toy-based colors on a Kup whose body design is based on one whose colors were more cartoon-based than anything.

Perceptor also takes a lot of cues from his IDW design originating from AHM; from his gun to his shoulders.

With both of those and that new Drift figure using his old design I can't say I enjoy the idea of continuing influence from AHM...

In Kup's defense, his Guidi design has superseded its original AHM use to continue on into more recent works, such as MTMTE (circa Dark Cybertron):



And Revolutionaries:

Oh true; and the same goes for Perceptor (which I'm especially happy about for my MTMTE display). It's just a kneejerk reaction to the second worst IDW Transformers story I suppose
Though to be fair, the designs were arguably the best things to come out of AHM. That Devastator redesign was beast.

william-james88 wrote:Just my thoughts and I was hoping you could clarify on them.

My apologies. truth be told I have not read it in a couple of years, though it is one of the few IDW stories of I have read more than once. If I go back and read it again I'll let you know. Honestly it must have been something I never noticed, because it never bothered me. It's just frustrating that so many fans hold the *all-great* MTMTE in high regard, for whatever reason, but when someone criticizes it, the excuse it "oh they were just clowning around". So You cant take anything in MTMTE seriously, so it is beyond criticism...?? that makes no sense, yet some fans feel free to criticize whatever came before.

Just looking at that pic however...I think fans are going to start getting paranoid and seeing AHM designs everywhere. I don't mind because I like it... but as is with everything else, some people blow things out of proportion.

His design looks awesome, but his black helmet and colors are kinda...

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:It probably isn't due to any other company having the name, but due to the name possibly being too generic/common/ordinary a word to Trademark. Even if it's spelled with a K, the Trademark laws might deem that to be not enough to differentiate it from the normal C-spelled version of the word.

Reminds me of that kup cup:

thedistinctroom wrote:Here we go again.

Looks like Hasbro and TakaraTomy are still up to their old ways, by releasing the inaccurate deco through Hasbro. Then, the accurate version will be released by TT.

Its not always bad. Sometimes Hasbro does somethign really interesting. Like with Dragstrip. And as for Skylynx, its not like Takara really improved anything there. And Weirdwolf's Hasbro deco is awesome!

I want that Kup cup! But preferably with a movie-accurate face. ;p

bodrock wrote:

I want that Kup cup! But preferably with a movie-accurate face. ;p

1987 movie accurate, or AoE Hound accurate.

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

bodrock wrote:

I want that Kup cup! But preferably with a movie-accurate face. ;p

1987 movie accurate, or AoE Hound accurate.

87 always, but AoE Hound could be interesting!

bodrock wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

bodrock wrote:

I want that Kup cup! But preferably with a movie-accurate face. ;p

1987 movie accurate, or AoE Hound accurate.

87 always, but AoE Hound could be interesting!

I was asking because a lot of people (including me) mix up Kup with AoE Hound because of that dang bullet thing he chews on like Kup's IDW self.

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

bodrock wrote:

I want that Kup cup! But preferably with a movie-accurate face. ;p

1987 movie accurate, or AoE Hound accurate.

1986

Bumblebeevis21 wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

bodrock wrote:

I want that Kup cup! But preferably with a movie-accurate face. ;p

1987 movie accurate, or AoE Hound accurate.

1986

Ooh yes, 86!!

I thought AoE Hound shoulda been Kup, but.....

Bumblebeevis21 wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

bodrock wrote:

I want that Kup cup! But preferably with a movie-accurate face. ;p

1987 movie accurate, or AoE Hound accurate.

1986

Same thing.

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

Bumblebeevis21 wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

bodrock wrote:

I want that Kup cup! But preferably with a movie-accurate face. ;p

1987 movie accurate, or AoE Hound accurate.

1986

Same thing.

Not the same at all. 1986 saw the release of Genesis' Invisible Touch and Peter Gabriel's So.
1987 had Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction.

Completely different.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

Bumblebeevis21 wrote:

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:

bodrock wrote:

I want that Kup cup! But preferably with a movie-accurate face. ;p

1987 movie accurate, or AoE Hound accurate.

1986

Same thing.

Not the same at all. 1986 saw the release of Genesis' Invisible Touch and Peter Gabriel's So.
1987 had Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction.

Completely different.

It's still the 80s.

o.supreme wrote:So You cant take anything in MTMTE seriously, so it is beyond criticism...??

I am sorry to others for going off topic, but I feel your pain Osupreme. I personally believe that its a flaw in and of itself with MTMTE. Sometimes being too tongue in cheek takes away from an issue. But it becomes a general criticism rather than just criticising a plot point. You end up either liking the writing or you dont, its more divisive. While with AHM you can choose to disect it or not, but the writing is formulaic enough to criticise.
Then again, its the same thing with the fast and furious films. They are literally beyond criticism to the point that reviews have nothing to do with their popularity.

bodrock wrote:Ooh yes, 86!!

I thought AoE Hound shoulda been Kup, but.....

I felt he should have been bulkhead.

CMI-SillySpringer wrote:His design looks awesome, but his black helmet and colors are kinda...

Hit the nail on the head!

Maybe we need to invert polarities....?

That is an ok looking Kup. He looks decent, but doesn't ring the bell that much for me. Will still get him for my Wreckers shelf though. He'll look good with Springer, Sandstorm, Roadbuster, and Ruination

We need a leader class Roadbuster with a bunch of chunk. HUGE chunky arms, and a tiny head in comparison.