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[Skritz]

This Optimus mold looks so good that I'm hoping for a Nemesis Prime this time!

[ZeroWolf]

I'd be really suprised if we didn't get a nemie from someone.

[AcademyofDrX]

Disappointed that the Optimus transformation is so complex, and he seems way too much like a shellformer with that backpack. I stopped buying Masterpiece figures because transforming them took too long and often wasn't fun, and contemporary Generations has been more satisfying by comparison. This seems like a step in the wrong direction.

That said, it's a great looking robot at that price, and the various play features add some value too. I'm definitely still going to get it, and I'm sure I'll be happy with it overall.

[Shredd the Dinobot]

Why didn't he do the Bot size comparison's of the Classics and Sieges the way he did the OP's in truck mode? I still can't tell which are taller. It feels like these reviewers are hiding it with these crouched down poses.

It was about an 8 hour process start to finish to get the video and pics done that I did yesterday. The comparison pictures was just something I had overlooked during my mad dash to get this stuff done as fast as possible. If you guys would like, I can take some photos of Siege Optimus Prime and Megatron next to other versions of those characters, along with each other. I haven't put them away yet.

I wasn't sure how to ask or if you get notified by who quotes you or what, I'm completely brand new to the forum but I was curious if the new Prime could store the POTP Matrix in his chest, or atleast the matrix block minus the handles? I want to get these guys regardles I've missed out on most of the generations line so I do t have them yet... atleast in G1 esque form). Also if it can could you post a couple pictures? Thank you for the early review!

[Wolfman Jake]

Thanks for the review, Seibertron! I can't wait for these figures now! Looking forward to seeing some of those comparison shots too.

It does, however, make me die a little bit inside every time I hear you pronounce "Seibertron."

[Wireless_Phantom]

The well of creativity on hasbro's current design team is about an inch deep, they already scraped the bottom and have come back up

Well of creativity from Hasbro ? or acceptance factor from the average Tfan ?

When I see debates about Potp prime fists being gray instead of blue.. I somewhat understand why Hasbro continues to play secure.

Who said "the worst punishment is to give men what they desire the most" ? because it's how I feel the generation line currently. Hasbro gives fandom exactly what they wanted for years, and fans are not happy. and less and less happy in fact.

↑ ACCEPTANCE FACTOR!

Like this Terrible MEGATRON..
Sure Battle damage looks cool. But his legs Look goofy & his head sculp is way off!
Its face don't resemble G1 Meg's IMO. His Helmet is to wide also, plus there's to much forhead black. Making the entire sculp look SMASHED! & By comparison to last years PoP. Megateon Voyager its A No Brainer- that the PoP. Version is twice as nice.
>> Although, I will happily buy OP. Though.

But Yea "Acceptance factor" 100% Spot on!
Im getting real Sick of almost everyone (or it would seem) outside of comicsgate community anyhow, being so accepting & quick to praise trash! Esp. TV & Bots.

E.g. I was happy to see such A Negative backlash to TiTans Starfire being cast as Anna Diop (who is A Lovely black woman) BUT,,, She's not built for an Iconic Character like Teen Titans Starfire! Who's an Upper Eschelon "comic babe". Alittle tiny, cute & petite black chic is far from A 6ft. Miami Beach; Banging Red head broad w/ A Really bad orange tan. Which she's been for almost 50yrs. Thus I was happy My YouTube video "Teen Titans trailer Trash" (see: "5 Fold Understanding" YouTube) Went over really well w/ people....

>> NOTE: I got IDW "UNICRON" (Begans) #0 & #1 comics up for reading (than I review) on my channel as well, Nobody watchs those ones. HaHa! IDW Is cool w/ people introducing the starting points to their comics to get people to buy the rest of the series. Like promotion. To help bring new readers to there Hit & Miss Transformers comic book mythology.

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Alright first of all you should try to stay a bit more on topic, and second of all I don't think people liking this Megatron is part of the acceptance factor. Personally I quite like the way it looks and for those like myself who haven't had many options for a reasonably priced voyager Megatron (that isn't just a grey Blitzwing) this is a great option. He isn't perfect but it is unreasonable to expect him to be.

I think this Megatron is pretty great. The only problems I have with it boils down to wanting to see this mold with a silver paint job, wishing the peg hole in his forearms wasn't a see-through hole, and wishing the peg holes on the tank treads were in a lower position on his back so that the rear cannon could sit lower like it should. Other than that, I think this is an absolutely fantastic Megatron. I love his headsculpt, which I'm shocked to see some of you not liking for some odd reason. It's a better sculpt, in my opinion, than Masterpiece MP-36 Megatron, whose head is too big and too cartoonish.

These versions of Megatron and Optimus Prime remind me of their Studio Ox models, which I am a huge fan of, though Optimus has the more G1 cartoon model antenna.

I agree, the Studio Ox designs are excellent.

[Wireless_Phantom]

Why didn't he do the Bot size comparison's of the Classics and Sieges the way he did the OP's in truck mode? I still can't tell which are taller. It feels like these reviewers are hiding it with these crouched down poses.

It was about an 8 hour process start to finish to get the video and pics done that I did yesterday. The comparison pictures was just something I had overlooked during my mad dash to get this stuff done as fast as possible. If you guys would like, I can take some photos of Siege Optimus Prime and Megatron next to other versions of those characters, along with each other. I haven't put them away yet.

I would love to see more pictures of these guys compared to some alternatives.

[Skritz]

Disappointed that the Optimus transformation is so complex, and he seems way too much like a shellformer with that backpack. I stopped buying Masterpiece figures because transforming them took too long and often wasn't fun, and contemporary Generations has been more satisfying by comparison. This seems like a step in the wrong direction.

That said, it's a great looking robot at that price, and the various play features add some value too. I'm definitely still going to get it, and I'm sure I'll be happy with it overall.

I'd hardly call having a large front piece folding to the back 'shell forming' when the rest of the mass shifts, compress and expand. Because if that is 'shellforming' then the word has lost all meaning.

[Emerje]

I'm throwing together a breakdown of the mystery symbols from what we've seen of the packaging so far.


Optimus Prime


Hound, Sideswipe


Cog


Firedrive, Lionizer, Topshot/Flak


Megatron


Skytread


Blowpipe

I think I caught all of them and there's definitely a trend here, especially on the Autobot end. They appear to be rank symbols with Optimus having the most elaborate. The deluxe figures use a similar symbol, but a less elaborate bottom right portion with two lines. Cog's Weaponizer symbol is the same bottom half as the other deluxe, but with a different top half. The Battle Masters and Micro Masters seem to have the same symbols, hard to tell, which is the same as Cog's but with one bar in the bottom right instead of two.

The Decepticon symbols will probably be similar. Megatron and Skytread's symbols are similar with different centers. Megatron has a sword in the center and an elaborate bottom partion while Skytread has two crossed bars for Duocons and a V shape on the bottom. Blowpipe has an unusual symbol that doesn't quite match the others.

Emerje

[Decepticon Stryker]

I'm throwing together a breakdown of the mystery symbols from what we've seen of the packaging so far.


Optimus Prime


Hound, Sideswipe


Cog


Firedrive, Lionizer, Topshot/Flak


Megatron


Skytread


Blowpipe

I think I caught all of them and there's definitely a trend here, especially on the Autobot end. They appear to be rank symbols with Optimus having the most elaborate. The deluxe figures use a similar symbol, but a less elaborate bottom right portion with two lines. Cog's Weaponizer symbol is the same bottom half as the other deluxe, but with a different top half. The Battle Masters and Micro Masters seem to have the same symbols, hard to tell, which is the same as Cog's but with one bar in the bottom right instead of two.

The Decepticon symbols will probably be similar. Megatron and Skytread's symbols are similar with different centers. Megatron has a sword in the center and an elaborate bottom partion while Skytread has two crossed bars for Duocons and a V shape on the bottom. Blowpipe has an unusual symbol that doesn't quite match the others.

Emerje

Blowpipe's looks like a rocket to me. It'd be cool if these appear somewhere on the actual figures. Seibertron, is there anything like that on Optimus or Megatron?

[Skritz]

Could the symbol represent some personal 'crest' of some kind? Something like a personal logo or signature or, alternatively, mean in this version the Cybertronian language use pictures for words? Perhaps it is similar to Kanji and other languages where a symbol or a combination of symbols can mean a single word or a serie of words?

Or, more likely, it really is some kind of rank indicator. Or that combined with the personal name idea: a Transformers' name being a mixture of their own markings/name and their allegiance and rank within their faction. If that is the case, then that's a whole new area of lore/fluff which has never been used before and hint at some small (if interesting) attempt at worldbuilding Cybertron's culture and language.

Edit: No, it's definitely rank if Sideswipe and Hound have identical symbols.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Edit: No, it's definitely rank if Sideswipe and Hound have identical symbols.

When put that way, then Cog as a Weaponizer falls in the same league as the Autobot Battle Masters and Micro Masters as "living weaponry" as their symbols are similar.

With that, the symbols seem twofold in design, with the top showing function, the bottom showing rank.

[Sentinel_Primal]

I hadn't thought about the symbols being ranks. I'd had the thought that maybe they represented their function in the society considering the story about the Cons being the rebels against a functionalist society, but ranking makes more sense

[Emerje]

Edit: No, it's definitely rank if Sideswipe and Hound have identical symbols.

When put that way, then Cog as a Weaponizer falls in the same league as the Autobot Battle Masters and Micro Masters as "living weaponry" as their symbols are similar.

With that, the symbols seem twofold in design, with the top showing function, the bottom showing rank.

Exactly my thoughts. I imagine Ironhide, Chromia and other standard Deluxe Autobots will have the same symbol as Hound and Sideswipe while Sixgun will have the same symbol as Cog. Brunt will probably have a symbol similar to the Decepticon Micro Masters and Blowpipe and the like. It really does feel like a rank system. I'm very curious to see if Ultra Magnus' and Shockwave's symbols are more or less elaborate than Prime's and Megatron's, that'll tell us if the symbol is for rank or price point and function.

Emerje

[Wireless_Phantom]

Edit: No, it's definitely rank if Sideswipe and Hound have identical symbols.

When put that way, then Cog as a Weaponizer falls in the same league as the Autobot Battle Masters and Micro Masters as "living weaponry" as their symbols are similar.

With that, the symbols seem twofold in design, with the top showing function, the bottom showing rank.

Keep in mind that, in G1 at least, he was just a non-sentient shell that Fort-Max would use to interact with smaller Transformers, so considering he is basically a drone the fact that he does have the same rank as actual sentient beings is kind of insulting to them.

[william-james88]

We have some more exciting Transformers Siege news for you. Casey280 posted on Twitter that he found the first wave of Battle Masters at Target in California. They were $5.99 each. These were the only Siege toys found there. Wave one consists of Firedrive, Lionizer, Blowpipe. Casey also posted some in hand images of Firedrive so you can see its size compared to a Prime Master decoy suite.

If it helps, below are the individual DCPI codes for almost all the toys part of Siege:

DCPI's for siege
Battle masters:
Firedrive-087-16-4265
Lionizer-087-16-4269
Blowpipe-087-16-6158
Aimless-087-16-7211
Caliburst-087-16-4264
Smashdown-087-16-4267
Pteraxadon-087-16-4266

Micromasters:
Race car patrol- 087-16-4277
Battle patrol- 087-16-4275
Airstrike patrol- 087-16-4276
Spy Patrol- 087-16-6084
Rescue Patrol- 087-16-4278
Off-road Patrol- 087-16-6211


Deluxes:
Hound-087-16-4289
Sideswipe-087-16-9981
Cog-087-16-7213
Skytread/Flywheels- 087-16-8070
Ironhide- 087-16-4290
Chromia-087-16-4288
Prowl- 087-16-7130
Sixgun-087-16-4291

Voyagers:
Optimus Prime-087-16-8335
Megatron-087-16-4283
Starscream- 087-16-4285
Soundwave- 087-16-4284
Thundercracker-087-16-4287
Springer-087-16-4286

Leaders:
Ultra Magnus-087-16-4273
Shockwave- 087-16-4274

[Emerje]

I'll wait and see what Walmart's price is. As usual these wave 1 figures are going to saturate heavily while finding the rest of the line at retail is going to be based on luck.

Emerje

[Sabrblade]

It does, however, make me die a little bit inside every time I hear you pronounce "Seibertron."

Well, it's not like this site is called "Cybertron.com". He chose the planet's Japanese name and "Say-ber-tron" is how it's said.

[william-james88]

I'll wait and see what Walmart's price is. As usual these wave 1 figures are going to saturate heavily while finding the rest of the line at retail is going to be based on luck.

Emerje

And yet those same wave 1 figures will then be the most coveted a year from now when new or returning collectors get wind of this line and wish to complete it. I was able to sell my swoop for more than twice what I paid for him.

[Seibertron]

Thanks for the review, Seibertron! I can't wait for these figures now! Looking forward to seeing some of those comparison shots too.

It does, however, make me die a little bit inside every time I hear you pronounce "Seibertron."

Comparison pics news story coming soon. I think william-james88 or one of the other news moderators is going to post a story with my pics soon.

[william-james88]

Thanks for the review, Seibertron! I can't wait for these figures now! Looking forward to seeing some of those comparison shots too.

It does, however, make me die a little bit inside every time I hear you pronounce "Seibertron."

Comparison pics news story coming soon. I think william-james88 or one of the other news moderators is going to post a story with my pics soon.

Yes, it will be me.

[Sentinel_Primal]

I'll wait and see what Walmart's price is. As usual these wave 1 figures are going to saturate heavily while finding the rest of the line at retail is going to be based on luck.

Emerje

I'm fine with this. So far, all the figures I want are in Wave 1 with the only wave 2 and 3 figures I want being the micro masters, Pteraxadon, Red Alert, Brunt, Sixgun, and depending how they turn out, Mirage and Impactor. I'm just worried about how Omega's going to see release and how well the QC will be

[Sabrblade]

I wasn't sure how to ask or if you get notified by who quotes you or what, I'm completely brand new to the forum but I was curious if the new Prime could store the POTP Matrix in his chest, or atleast the matrix block minus the handles?

According to this Tweet, the Matrix core by itself can fit inside the space where the robot head goes, most likely by coincidence rather than intent.

[Emerje]

I'll wait and see what Walmart's price is. As usual these wave 1 figures are going to saturate heavily while finding the rest of the line at retail is going to be based on luck.

Emerje

And yet those same wave 1 figures will then be the most coveted a year from now when new or returning collectors get wind of this line and wish to complete it. I was able to sell my swoop for more than twice what I paid for him.

Yeah, there are always stragglers that come to the party late and have to pay the price of catching up, but I'm pretty sure I can still find Swoop at Kmart.

Emerje

[Wolfman Jake]

It does, however, make me die a little bit inside every time I hear you pronounce "Seibertron."

Well, it's not like this site is called "Cybertron.com". He chose the planet's Japanese name and "Say-ber-tron" is how it's said.

To my ear, it's not really "say-burr-tron" or "sabre-tron," and it's not quite "sigh-burr-tron" either. It's more like the "ei" makes a kind of "schwa" (ə) mixed with an English "long e (ē)" sound.

I'll wait and see what Walmart's price is. As usual these wave 1 figures are going to saturate heavily while finding the rest of the line at retail is going to be based on luck.

Emerje

And yet those same wave 1 figures will then be the most coveted a year from now when new or returning collectors get wind of this line and wish to complete it. I was able to sell my swoop for more than twice what I paid for him.

Yeah, there are always stragglers that come to the party late and have to pay the price of catching up, but I'm pretty sure I can still find Swoop at Kmart.

Emerje

You can still find a K-Mart?