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Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:19 am

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AcademyofDrX wrote:@Zelda You've probably already seen this comparison, but if not:
https://twitter.com/Barricade64/status/ ... 99552?s=19

I haven't seen that pic as such, but I have seen Seibertron do the same comparison here. That's kinda why I'm disappointed and concerned to begin with. :roll: However, and I feel I must stress this point:

UNIVERSE SIDESWIPE IS NOT A TITANS RETURN OR UNICRON TRILOGY DELUXE!

And those are what I asked for comparisons with. I don't need to see him compared with Universe Sideswipe because that's what caused the concern in the first place. What I do need to see is him compared with the likes of Cybertron Override and Titans Return Hot Rod. Or even just for someone to take a ruler - this flat bar thing usually a little over a foot long minimum, generally an inch or so wide and marked off in inches on one side and centimeters on the other - and measure SIEGE Sideswipe's height so that I can do the comparing myself.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:03 pm

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Couldn't you use universe Sideswipe yourself to check height if you know where Siege Sideswipe stands? Plus if Sideswipe was too small for you, shouldn't ever other Siege Character be too small since they are all set to scale?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby YoungPrime » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:22 pm

That DPCI on the receipt doesn't match with any of those Battlemasters on that list...

087-16-3981 vs....

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Blowpipe-087-16-6158
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Pteraxadon-087-16-4266
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:46 pm

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YoungPrime wrote:That DPCI on the receipt doesn't match with any of those Battlemasters on that list...

087-16-3981 vs....

Battle masters:
Firedrive-087-16-4265
Lionizer-087-16-4269
Blowpipe-087-16-6158
Aimless-087-16-7211
Caliburst-087-16-4264
Smashdown-087-16-4267
Pteraxadon-087-16-4266


Like there are separate product codes for denoting general assortments like Battle Master, Deluxe and the like, there are separate DPCI's for them. It's to keep track of overall stock for reordering purposes.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:56 pm

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I realize that comment about rulers was needlessly patronizing... I'm just frustrated by the fact that it seems like whenever I ask for measurements on this site it feels like people ignore the request as if I'd asked them to do something ridiculous like give me a thousand dollars in exchange for nothing.

ZeroWolf wrote:Couldn't you use universe Sideswipe yourself to check height if you know where Siege Sideswipe stands? Plus if Sideswipe was too small for you, shouldn't ever other Siege Character be too small since they are all set to scale?

I suppose that's a fair point about comparing others to the Universe Sideswipe mold's armpit height, since I do have Generations Red Alert. However, that doesn't help me with comparing Siege Optimus to Combiner Wars Optimus or measuring Gasket and Grommet. And I also don't 100% trust photos on this since they can have optical illusions that exaggerate or minimize the actual difference in height.. (Granted, not as likely in straight-on photos, but it can happen).

As for "shouldn't every other Siege character be too small"...
First off, no. Skytread is the same height as Battletrap so he's good, and the Weaponizers being the height they are also works, particularly for Cog. Ultra Magnus would seem to be, though, if I'm remembering the height right (eight inches).
Second, I'm trying to confirm whether or not the others are actually as "too small" as I originally thought based on the Sideswipe and Optimus comparisons. That's why I want to compare Siege Sideswipe with non-Siege Deluxes that aren't Universe Sideswipe, and Siege Optimus to Combiner Wars Optimus (who Seibertron annoyingly left out of his little comparison lineup). I'm trying to thoroughly test my impression to make sure I'm not off the mark.

EDIT:
Did the comparison with Red Alert. Sadly, it seems my impression was right... The Siege Autobot Cars are good designs spoilt by being manufactured 15-20% too small... I was so excited for them too... :( :-(
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:38 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Ultra Magnus would seem to be...eight inches.


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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby starrhero » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:59 pm

Wolfman Jake wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Ultra Magnus would seem to be...eight inches.


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Seibertron.com's video reviews of War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Sideswipe, Cog, Hound and Skytread

Postby Seibertron » Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:25 pm

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Excitement around the Transformers War for Cybertron SIEGE toy line continues to ramp up as the November 25th street date at Target stores nears closer!

Last week, we wrapped up our galleries of Battle Masters, Micromasters, Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread, as well as Voyager Class Optimus Prime and Megatron. We also provided all of you with a series of video reviews from other YouTube users.

Now, we proudly present our very own set of YouTube video reviews from Seibertron.com itself. This set includes all four of the War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class action figures, which was preceded by our video of the Voyager Class figures.

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War for Cybertron SIEGE WFC-S7 Deluxe Class Sideswipe


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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Seibertron » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:41 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Second, I'm trying to confirm whether or not the others are actually as "too small" as I originally thought based on the Sideswipe and Optimus comparisons. That's why I want to compare Siege Sideswipe with non-Siege Deluxes that aren't Universe Sideswipe, and Siege Optimus to Combiner Wars Optimus (who Seibertron annoyingly left out of his little comparison lineup). I'm trying to thoroughly test my impression to make sure I'm not off the mark.


I added some new pictures to the Optimus Prime gallery just for you. Does this answer your question in regards to a comparison between Combiner Wars Optimus Prime and Siege Optimus Prime? Just for kicks, I also added AOE Voyager Class Evasion Mode Optimus Prime as well. Hope this helps clarify his size for you and anyone else wondering!

Personally, I was never a fan of Combiner Wars Optimus Prime because he doesn't really meet my requirements for what a G1 Optimus Prime toy should look like.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:59 pm

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Yes it does, thank you very much for taking the trouble to do this.

I'm sorry to say that it looks like I'll be passing on him... He's a really, really cool design, but...
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:12 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'm sorry to say that it looks like I'll be passing on him.

even after Seibertron went out of his way for you ;;)
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:16 pm

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Thanks for the Siege Deluxe Class reviews, Seibertron. I've seen quite a few different reviewers' takes on these same figures now, and it's interesting to see which figures are a particular reviewer's favorites. There's not a lot of consensus on which ones are the best (or the most flawed), which makes me believe there is something to really love about each of these figures.

I too am a little disappointed that we're not getting more of these blaster effects than what little comes with each of the Battle Master figures. My hope is that for SDCC next year, or through some other premium outlet, we get a big set of different effects parts, done in all sorts of colors, so we can create some massive battle scenes for our Siege figures without having to buy multiple copies of the Battle Masters. Honestly, Hasbro would be fools not to do something like this. They'd sell like hotcakes.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:24 pm

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A good figure is a good figure no matter the size. The problem with some of the early Generations figures was that they were both smaller and simpler, but these are just as complex as anything we've seen before, maybe even more so, despite the smaller size. I think as we see more figures show up in WfC and the new scale comes together we're going to see more interest these wave 1 figures.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:33 pm

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Seibertron wrote:Personally, I was never a fan of Combiner Wars Optimus Prime because he doesn't really meet my requirements for what a G1 Optimus Prime toy should look like.

(...)

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Beefcake works for Motormaster, it worked for his redeco Grand Scourge:

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... but it does not work for Optimus Prime himself. Amazing study of expected character attributes, that.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AcademyofDrX » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:55 pm

Wolfman Jake wrote:I too am a little disappointed that we're not getting more of these blaster effects than what little comes with each of the Battle Master figures. My hope is that for SDCC next year, or through some other premium outlet, we get a big set of different effects parts, done in all sorts of colors, so we can create some massive battle scenes for our Siege figures without having to buy multiple copies of the Battle Masters. Honestly, Hasbro would be fools not to do something like this. They'd sell like hotcakes.

Do we know if the C.O.M.B.A.T system features like Fire Blasts are specific to Siege or if they'll be present across the entire WfC trilogy? I'm hopeful for more Battle Masters than have been announced, but the best scenario would be if they continue to include Fire Blasts in the next line, even if it's part of a different pack-in.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:59 pm

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Hey, beefcake worked for Cybertron Optimus Prime :-P

I do admit, Combiner Wars Optimus is a bit too beefy in robot mode for a G1 Optimus, but it could be worse and I still like his proportions waaay better than Classics Optimus. And I like his size exponentially better. Classics Optimus is undersize next to Cybertron Voyagers (and the same-size-different-name-for-it figures from Armada and Energon), undersize next to movie Voyagers, and undersize next to his fellow Claasics Voyagers. Combiner Wars Optimus on the other hand is reasonably within the Goldilocks zone.

All the same he definitely has his drawbacks, so I had been eagerly looking forward to Siege Optimus as an upgrade to be my new primary CHUG Optimus. Which is why I was crushed to see that he was so small, and that the Siege Autobot Cars had suffered the same shrinkage... :-(

At least the Battlemasters, Weaponizer Deluxes, Skytread, and Reflector will still be good and I'm still looking forward to those..
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:01 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Beefcake works for Motormaster, it worked for his redeco Grand Scourge:

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... but it does not work for Optimus Prime himself. Amazing study of expected character attributes, that.

You could argue it works for BCOP as well if you think of that figure as a powerup, but I've never cared for the mold as a standard OP himself. Siege or Classics OP is the perfect size and shape for me.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:13 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:All the same he definitely has his drawbacks, so I had been eagerly looking forward to Siege Optimus as an upgrade to be my new primary CHUG Optimus. Which is why I was crushed to see that he was so small, and that the Siege Autobot Cars had suffered the same shrinkage... :-(


There's still that yet-to-be-seen Leader coming in wave 2, you may still get you're larger Optimus since Ultra Magnus and Shockwave are about as tall as CW OP.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Seibertron » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:05 pm

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Combiner Wars Optimus Prime is a great CW Motormaster and Nemesis Prime. The mold was intended for Motormaster and was remolded into Optimus Prime, who was interestingly introduced first, but was meant for Motormaster first. Motormaster !== Optimus Prime.

In my book (and essentially off-topic from this forum post), CW Optimus Prime is not a G1 Optimus Prime (despite IDW's fiction). Physically (as a toy), he's more along the lines of a "Monster Convoy" (aka Armada Optimus Prime) or an Energon Optimus Prime.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:15 am

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Seibertron wrote:Combiner Wars Optimus Prime is a great CW Motormaster and Nemesis Prime. The mold was intended for Motormaster and was remolded into Optimus Prime, who was interestingly introduced first, but was meant for Motormaster first. Motormaster !== Optimus Prime.

In my book (and essentially off-topic from this forum post), CW Optimus Prime is not a G1 Optimus Prime (despite IDW's fiction). Physically (as a toy), he's more along the lines of a "Monster Convoy" (aka Armada Optimus Prime) or an Energon Optimus Prime.


"was meant for Motormaster first"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I find it hard to believe that the mold was designed as Motormaster first. Let's look at some major design details:
* Solitary truck cab instead of cab and trailer all together
* Legs and feet that are blatantly G1 Optimus Prime's and have slots designed for the handles of the Optimus Prime version's guns with one or the other becoming an awkward leftover on Motormaster
* Prominent smokestacks, which are much more a feature of Optimus' design than they are of Motormaster's.

And then there's the janky torso mode that feels very much like it was shoehorned to fit the Optimus Prime robot design rather than the robot being designed to become a good torso. Two major problems:
* The arm sockets tab in with a single thin tab at a bad angle that leads to them getting untabbed whenever you try to swing or sometimes even just rotate attached limb robots. This is especially a problem for Motormaster because Menasor is a sword-user.
* Having the legs face the intended way in torso mode blocks the combined form from being able to bend at the knee with several limb molds (including the Stunticons) because the Optimus Prime feet get in the way; you have to turn the legs tire side forward to fix the problem, and even that only works because the feet are sculpted at a tilt. If they were sculpted straight then knee articulation would be blocked both ways.

So for my money, the CW Optimus mold makes a far better standalone Optimus than it does a good CW Motormaster. And feels very solidly like it was mainly designed as such.

I don't give a rat's fart about the IDW fiction. I treat CW Optimus as a Generations representation of G1 Optimus because he's sculpted to look like him (beefcake proportions aside) - look at the head, look at the legs, look at the primary gun - and colored to look like him, and is of a good size to fill the role in my collection.

Also, now that you've finally included him in the gallery, I believe he would like to say:
"Hi... Thanks for noticing me..." ;)
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Seibertron » Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:08 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, now that you've finally included him in the gallery, I believe he would like to say:
"Hi... Thanks for noticing me..." ;)


To which I would say, "you're welcome ... that took about 45 minutes of my time today to do that."

And to you, I would say, I'm fairly certain it was 100% designed as Motormaster first, Optimus Prime second.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:04 am

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Seibertron wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, now that you've finally included him in the gallery, I believe he would like to say:
"Hi... Thanks for noticing me..." ;)


To which I would say, "you're welcome ... that took about 45 minutes of my time today to do that."

And to you, I would say, I'm fairly certain it was 100% designed as Motormaster first, Optimus Prime second.

I'd say "citation needed" but I'm guessing it's confidential, so if you say so. I just don't really see it myself what with the Optimus legs and all the other things I pointed out. Even if the mold was designed as Motormaster first, in practice I find the end result to be much more Optimus than it is him.

Btw, did you get the reference with my quote?
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* Cybertron Galvatron key, missiles
* Omega Lock
* Primus Cyber Key, coattail panel
* Powerlinx Comettor
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* RiD Galvy dragon head, beast arms
* DotM Ironhide windshield, R hood assy.
* ROTF Jetfire R JTFR panel

Di Bonaventura is not a credible or trustworthy source. And most fans do like the diversity push, thanks.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Galvatronian » Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:53 am

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Thank you so much seibertron for pandering to these requests, you spoil us. I believe I speak for a lot of fans who are shocked that 1.2cm, or half an inch can make people prefer CW prime to this new gorgeous prime. I weigh it up in my head, one has the right color everywhere, one has a 'new interpretation' with a silver belly, silver shoes, silver biceps and windows that to me at least look way too big. I don't think either of the vehicle modes are perfect, neither much preferable to the other. I think what strikes some of us as most mad, is that CW prime doesn't even look in proportion to himself! Did he have some mad surgery? Or just too much protein and gym?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby blackeyedprime » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:09 am

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Galvatronian wrote:one has the right color everywhere


I don't remember an ugly partial (front facing) white stripe on any G1 Optimus Primes Cab before, it could just be the Dinobot thing of gold/yellow is a silver/grey/white thing with Prime but it stands out to me on the Siege figure even if I would have liked the alt mode.
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