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Gauntlet101010 wrote:Galvatron is another example. Misassembled V1 followed by a correct V2 and a clean ER version. I mean ... just get it right the first time. The first time. Not the third time. The first time.

It was only a limited number of the first run that were wrong, not all of them, mostly just the earliest batches that shipped and were quickly corrected within that wave. Legacy was the clean one, but that doesn't necessarily mean the previous one was "wrong", it was following the theme of the line at the time.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Galvatron is another example. Misassembled V1 followed by a correct V2 and a clean ER version. I mean ... just get it right the first time. The first time. Not the third time. The first time.

It was only a limited number of the first run that were wrong, not all of them, mostly just the earliest batches that shipped and were quickly corrected within that wave. Legacy was the clean one, but that doesn't necessarily mean the previous one was "wrong", it was following the theme of the line at the time.

Emerje

Did it, though? How many other of those toys have battle damage? It wasn't Siege after all.

Anyway, they gotta do better. No QC BS. No paint BS. Make a solid figure. The first time.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Galvatron is another example. Misassembled V1 followed by a correct V2 and a clean ER version. I mean ... just get it right the first time. The first time. Not the third time. The first time.

It was only a limited number of the first run that were wrong, not all of them, mostly just the earliest batches that shipped and were quickly corrected within that wave. Legacy was the clean one, but that doesn't necessarily mean the previous one was "wrong", it was following the theme of the line at the time.

Emerje

Did it, though? How many other of those toys have battle damage? It wasn't Siege after all.

Anyway, they gotta do better. No QC BS. No paint BS. Make a solid figure. The first time.

Kingdom Galvatron had the paint damage, and just the first run of that toy had the shoulders swapped. Later runs of Kingdom Galvatron had the shoulders fixed, but you couldn't tell looking at the box since it was windowless. Then Legacy Galvatron came along with corrected shoulders and no battle damage (and so many clogging the shelves that they still won't go away two years later). Earthrise was before Kingdom.

Emerje wrote:I'm a bit annoyed the ROTB Leader Scourge isn't on the list for 2025. He isn't getting a refresh for 2024, right? I still need him...

Emerje

Yeah, he isn't getting refreshed. I don't have him either but I think he has the likelihood of a more accurate retool one day.

Emerje wrote: If it has nothing to do with TF:One then the first thing that came to mind was Devastation.

Emerje

Pretty sure it's Devastation

o.supreme wrote:I am usually wrong...but I have a feeling the CC for 2025 SS86 is going to be some sort of variant of Kingdom Rodimus. Given the pattern started:

2023 - Ultra Magnus
2024 - Optimus Prime
2025 - Rodimus Prime ??

I think the CC for 2025 SS86 will be the remaining constructicons along with all the necessary bits to make Devastator.

Jtprime17 has two more Studio Series listings to share. Remember, we only had news of the voyagers and deluxes and now we know about two of the upcoming leaders.

They are:

Tra Gen Studio series Ldr 86 Galvatron
Product Number: G0481

Tra Gen Studio series Ldr 86 Megatron
Product Number: G0484

We do not know if Galvatron is a new mold or a redeco of the previous leader release.

william-james88 wrote:Jtprime17 has two more Studio Series listings to share. Remember, we only had news of the voyagers and deluxes and now we know about two of the upcoming leaders.

They are:

Tra Gen Studio series Ldr 86 Galvatron
Product Number: G0481

Tra Gen Studio series Ldr 86 Megatron
Product Number: G0484

We do not know if Galvatron is a new mold or a redeco of the previous leader release.

Didn't we already know about Megs? The question remans, it will be a new mold, or some modified version of the Earthrise Megs.


Galvatron on the other hand is very interesting, Is it just the Kingdom mold in SS-86 packaging? The other 3 versions are still readily available.

Selects Galvy is down to Deluxe pricing now on Amazon, so just an another version of the same mold seems highly unnecessary.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Which is a sad thought, yet another year to wait to see what they could do with a live action commander

For what it's worth, I agree with chuckdawg, the SS86 line will be finished in '26. We only have so many characters left to do (ASTROTRAIN!!!) and the live action films still have plenty to go.

Look at it on the bright side, if it's such: the engineering capabilities will improve even in 2 years, so the coming Bayverse SS figures we could have this year and next will only look and function that much better in another 2 years. I understand that it's probably small consolation.

As for the SS CC figure, who would it be?

I really hope the SS86 Megatron transforms into a rifle, I would so buy it! It is waaaayyy too soon for another Galvatron.

Rodimus Prime wrote:the SS86 line will be finished in '26.

Will it though? Unless Hasbro goes all-out for the films 40th anniversary, and every SS that year is SS86 (which live-action fans would lament given the last couple of years), then I'm not sure.

I used to have two sperate lists. One for SS86; and one for Generations mainline that were "good enough" to be SS86. It is apparent that Hasbro, at least for the time being, is intent on getting every character that appeared in TF:TM, a SS86 packaging release. No matter how minor, and no matter if just a slight repaint of a previous Generations release.

Think about every character that appeared in TF:TM that has received a "modern" mainline Generations release starting with Siege in 2019. Now imagine all of those getting a SS86 release, whether they are a whole new toy, slight retool, or just a repaint. That includes characters such as Gears which hasn't even been released yet. Also that 5 Autoboot Selects set coming out... 3 of those characters (Wheeljack, Hound, & Sunstreaker) were in TF:TM (that don't have a previous SS86 release), you can bet we'll see them yet again before ethe end of 2026, if that is truly the plan.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:With the possibility of the Constructicons taking two years to complete, it actually gives some weight to my theory that the SS86 line will end with the 40th anniversary of the movie.

Rumor is the missing 2 Constructicons are the missing commander slot, and they will come with all the accessories ala Legacy Menasor, where there is a lot of faking it for cartoon accuracy.

Which is a sad thought, yet another year to wait to see what they could do with a live action commander

Two figures in one CC box? Interesting, I wonder who else they could've done like that *cough*Omega Prime*cough*

Rodimus Prime wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Which is a sad thought, yet another year to wait to see what they could do with a live action commander

For what it's worth, I agree with chuckdawg, the SS86 line will be finished in '26. We only have so many characters left to do (ASTROTRAIN!!!) and the live action films still have plenty to go.

Look at it on the bright side, if it's such: the engineering capabilities will improve even in 2 years, so the coming Bayverse SS figures we could have this year and next will only look and function that much better in another 2 years. I understand that it's probably small consolation.

As for the SS CC figure, who would it be?

Amen I say to you today you will be with me in paradise. I think it just makes sense and thematically would be cool to end the movie homage line with the 40th anniversary, off that was hard to type.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:As for the SS CC figure, who would it be?

ROTB Stratosphere? That could work, assuming the CC will be a live action TF. If 1986 movie then I have no idea. I can't really see it being 2 characters in 1 set.

Our Studio Series September 2022 Top 16 is finally getting some progress! Curious to see how this year's tournament will look.

As much as I prefer a tank mode for Megs, I think it'd be cool if they tried to at least go for some generic pistol with an orange plug blast effect or maybe even a more legal-friendly sci-fi blaster for this release, especially with the boost of a Leader price point.
Maybe it'll end up as just a retool or something of the Earthrise mold, or based on it, but hey, would be an interesting way to try and make it more accurate to his classic alt-mode.

I'm not at all opposed to SS86 Hook and Long Haul being part of a Commander Class release.
One reason I'd be in favor of it is because then it really would be possible to get all six in the same calendar year... Honestly that would be incredibly cool. With Hastak's release track record it would be surprising, but I'd be all for it.
There has been very recent talk about how Commander Class figures don't seem to regularly show-up in brick and mortar stores... I can say this is true for my metro area. Until Hastak decides to release another set in G2 deco, there's really no re-using/repainting/retooling a set of Hook and Long Haul. All this to say, seems like a somewhat risky call to make 2/6 in a set that is only readily available online.
Obviously not for anyone here or adult collectors in general. I would just think that if a CC release like this one isn't on shelves in Targets and Walmarts, it's not going to sell as well. It may sell fine, but not well.
I think the CC cost can be justified in this supposed set:
2 voyagers that need increased engineering to basically be triple changers = $70-$80.
Two individual weapons, all necessary combining parts, and a large blaster = $10-$20...
It does make sense.

I emailed a friend about this last night... Hastak has earned my confidence to the point I'm already sold and have no doubt this is going to be a great release. It's going to be interesting to see what the combining system is and how that will work with the two arm bots being deluxe class.
But I believe Hastak wouldn't be releasing this if it weren't done right.
I think the individual bots, the combining system, the combined form stability and articulation will all be up to current standards.

I'm already telling myself I'm getting two sets... Man, I have always wanted to have these 6 characters displayed together as individual bots. After Soundwave and Megatron, they're my favorites.

While I'm excited about the recent news as a Megatron fanboy, I am concerned that the leader class will only be a modified Earthrise version of the WFC mold. Then again, collectively right now we know next to nothing about the figure other than the fact it is just planned. I hope just maybe, it won't be a redeco of the Earthrise mold because I was left a bit disappointed with the figure when I got it.

I am admittedly a bit fatigued with the WFC mold, it's not bad, but I have seen it repurposed a few times with like the Miner Megatron (which I still need) and think is the best-repurposed version of it. Shattered Glass Generations just is...yeah for me though... Oof

I am guessing they're going to keep going with that mold due to consistency reasons and that's fine. I just hope some improvements are made to it. One of the things I didn't like about the Siege/Earthrise version though is how they did the cannon piece for it and how it connects into two weapons for him. I kinda wish they'd just make the barrel extend or set it up so he's got his turret on his back that it connects to as a barrel extension of some kind to make the turret complete that way. It would make it a bit closer to the animation model at least.

I look forward to seeing new pics when they come out.

As for Galavatron, I feel like the WFC Kingdom mold is decent enough, just annoyed about the shoulder thing as everyone pointed out. One of those "do it right the first time" with better quality control. We'll see how that comes out too.

I'm also still awaiting my Bumblebee Concept Megatron. Amazon delayed it until the 29th, which is ugh. Make up your bloody mind! I say. XD

Tyrannacon wrote:While I'm excited about the recent news as a Megatron fanboy, I am concerned that the leader class will only be a modified Earthrise version of the WFC mold. Then again, collectively right now we know next to nothing about the figure other than the fact it is just planned. I hope just maybe, it won't be a redeco of the Earthrise mold because I was left a bit disappointed with the figure when I got it.

I am admittedly a bit fatigued with the WFC mold, it's not bad, but I have seen it repurposed a few times with like the Miner Megatron (which I still need) and think is the best-repurposed version of it. Shattered Glass Generations just is...yeah for me though... Oof

I am guessing they're going to keep going with that mold due to consistency reasons and that's fine. I just hope some improvements are made to it. One of the things I didn't like about the Siege/Earthrise version though is how they did the cannon piece for it and how it connects into two weapons for him. I kinda wish they'd just make the barrel extend or set it up so he's got his turret on his back that it connects to as a barrel extension of some kind to make the turret complete that way. It would make it a bit closer to the animation model at least.

I look forward to seeing new pics when they come out.

As for Galavatron, I feel like the WFC Kingdom mold is decent enough, just annoyed about the shoulder thing as everyone pointed out. One of those "do it right the first time" with better quality control. We'll see how that comes out too.

I'm also still awaiting my Bumblebee Concept Megatron. Amazon delayed it until the 29th, which is ugh. Make up your bloody mind! I say. XD

It's probably going to be a totally new mold. If Ultra Magnus, Arcee, Ironhide and Ratchet got new molds just a couple of years after Earthrise because their previous releases were considered subpar, there's no way Megatron won't get a new mold, 5 years after Earthrise.

Fingers crossed Megatron looks good

Razorbeast88 wrote:Fingers crossed Megatron looks good

Definitely.
I'm still surprised there were so many who were good with the ER version...
That face and headsculpt were horrible. I also never understood why the details/colors of the lower torso were wrong.
But then I have to remind myself... Hastak doesn't really care when a character's likeness is off... There will be a new version to release sooner than later.
Thankfully this has changed in the last few years and some definitive versions have happened.

Hastak caught my vibe-- I thought there would be minimal (as in <$200 worth) for me to buy in '25... But I'll be all in for the Constructions. Probably two sets.
And now there's a promising Megatron. And if Galvatron is a new mold, I'll probably bite on that as well.
No joke, not because of the price, but I'm bracing for leaked word of a SS86 Bumblebee.

I didn't hate the ER version at all tbh, sure I thought the Siege version was more pleasing with the extra sculpted detail, but I still thought it was a neat figure. That being said...I only have the G2 redeco of it, which I think makes it look more palpable. The standard version just did not look appealing to me...
I got it as a gift, though, so I can't complain about that either heh!

If Coronation Starscream is anything to go off of, I could see Megatron being the Earthrise mold in movie accurate deco with some articulated hands and a couple accessories like the lightsaber and the pistol he uses in his epic fight with Optimus to try to justify the leader class price point. But you never know. I'll just hope for the best. If they can't make the main figure transform into a gun, I hope they include a smaller version of the gun mode that Starscream can hold.

I'm perfectly fine with Legacy Galvatron. No need for another one unless they totally blow me away.

I can't see Megatron being the Earthrise mold. Think on it.

They're redoing Prime and Springer. They've redone Ironhide/Ratchet, Rumble/Frenzy, Arcee (partially), and Ultra Magnus.

Plus ER Megatron was a disaster. I just don't see what they can save there. Stascream has a cape, a throne, and a few new parts to his robot mode to accommodate some poses. Just barely enough to call it a leader. Megatron could come with his lightsaber and purple gun, okay, but that's not quite enough to get anyone to pay Leader class prices.

Galvatron. The Galvatron enthusiast in me hopes he is a new mold. Not because the current one in any way leaves me wanting, but because I just like Galvatron. I honestly can't see how they can improve him.

Perhaps Megs will get a new mold and Galvy will be the one that reuses a mold? I can see them maybe changing up some accessories to more suit the film-accuracy nature, such as swapping out the mini ships and Matrix bling for some Starscream-disintegrating blast effects, heh!

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I can't see Megatron being the Earthrise mold. Think on it.

They're redoing Prime and Springer. They've redone Ironhide/Ratchet, Rumble/Frenzy, Arcee (partially), and Ultra Magnus.

Plus ER Megatron was a disaster. I just don't see what they can save there. Stascream has a cape, a throne, and a few new parts to his robot mode to accommodate some poses. Just barely enough to call it a leader. Megatron could come with his lightsaber and purple gun, okay, but that's not quite enough to get anyone to pay Leader class prices.

I could be wrong on this, but I have a feeling the new versions for both Springer and OP will be slightly larger. With this, Megatron should be as well, and a new version would help keep him in scale with these larger characters.
The 3 word "slogan" on the back of SS86 packaging (minus core class) is Detail, Scale, Backdrop... Not sure if this will hold true for the new Constructicons.
But I'm with ya, I think this Megatron will be a new mold. It's time to replace the Siege/ER versions.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Galvatron. The Galvatron enthusiast in me hopes he is a new mold. Not because the current one in any way leaves me wanting, but because I just like Galvatron. I honestly can't see how they can improve him.

This is one that I don't know how they could realistically improve enough to justify a new mold... If I'm right about the new versions of Springer and Prime, this current version will already be in scale. My gut is telling me the only change will be the colors are more movie-accurate.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but that may be enough for me to bite.

Will Megatron ever be a gun again?

trailbreaker wrote:Will Megatron ever be a gun again?

Outside of 100% Takara initiated projects that are developed exclusively for Japanese markets? No, never, ever.