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JtPrime17 has posted listings for the upcoming Transformers Generations line to follow up Legacy. The short name for it is Prime, but its actual name is not confirmed. The theme is the Thirteen Primes and this first year would include Solus Prime, Alchemist Prime, Micronus, The Fallen, Prima, Onyx Prime and Alpha Trion. Check the full list below.

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Solus Prime
Product Number: G0122

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Air Raid
Product Number: G0123

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Fireflight
Product Number: G0124

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Animated Wasp
Product Number: G0125


Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Alchemist Prime
Product Number: G0126

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Crasher PR
Product Number: G0127

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Swindle
Product Number: G0128

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Micronus
Product Number: G0129

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Venom
Product Number: G0130

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Sky Dive
Product Number: G0131

Tra Gen Prime Deluxe Slingshot
Product Number: G0132

Tra Gen Prime Voy Prima
Product Number: G1007

Tra Gen Prime Voy Armada Red Alert
Product Number: G1008

Tra Gen Prime Voy Rescue Bots Heatwave
Product Number: G1018

Tra Gen Prime Voy RID Skybyte
Product Number: G1019

Tra Gen Prime Voy Alpha Trion
Product Number: G1020

Tra Gen Prime Voy Flatline
Product Number: G1021

Tra Gen Prime LDR The Fallen
Product Number: G0486

Tra Gen Prime LDR G2 Grimlock
Product Number: G0487

Tra Gen Prime LDR Onyx Prime
Product Number: G0488

-We were just talking about Armada Red Alert in the Legacy thread earlier, we manifested him. I'm proud of us
-Why is there a lone Swindle with no other Combaticons but also no Animated label like Wasp, that's fishy
-My excitement about figures of the 13 will vary drastically on a figure-by-figure basis
-Sky-Byte makes sense to go with/against Omega Prime
-Heatwave is good
-Venom at retail (and still named Venom, no less) is not fully expected, but I guess how else were they gonna make him?
-Don't care about G1 Superion, might grab just Air Raid if he looks good (and I guess we have a sneaking suspicion of who the Commander Class is, unless there's more Leader listings to be found), although I hope people are prepared this time for the potential of at least one of the limbs being a retool of another one like Breakdown
-Wasp at retail is surprising, thought he would be an exclusive this year somewhere
-G2 Grimlock is irrelevant for me
-Crasher repack will be good for the same reasons as the United Wave 5 repacks
-FLATLINE??? As a retail figure and not like an exclusive retool or something? Very curious to see him, was not expecting him to get a figure...ever, really

Hmm. Some of these are of interest - I've always been a fan of the Bruticus combiner. Some won't be quite as interesting. But if Bruticus is any good? Well, that'll put a dent in that pile of coins I've collected from ferrying people across the Styx...

I hope Venom is a pre-tool of Cicadacon. Sure they have different bot modes, but how many opportunities are there for them to make Transforming cicadas?

This really feels like a gap filler line, they're plugging a lot of collection holes here.

Emerje

Something else of note is how there are no Core class figures on this list. Not even the Mini-Con Prime himself Micronus, who is instead a Deluxe.

I'm stoked for a new bruticus, I love the combaticons but don't own any as I didn't feel any past figures were good enough

Sky Byte is an instant buy of course

And 13 primes will be awesome. I hope fallen is good, and onyx Prime has a secret helmet revealing a Shockwave face lol jk I doubt they'll do that
Is liege maximo one of the 13? My memory isn't the best but I'd be excited for that as well

I'm also wondering if Alpha Trion will be a new figure or a rerelease of the pulsecon exclusive version

Didn't know who flatline was til I looked him up
That should be pretty sweet too

Another Alpha Trion and G2 Grimlock? Neither is of interest though.

I'm gonna be VERY picky about what I pick up. We'll see what these look like. Out of the 13 Primes I think the Fallen is still the one that sticks with me. From the Dreamwave days. Maybe I'll get Vector Prime if they do him. Even though I have GF Vector Prime. So maybe not. He has this duplicate shoulder piece, though.

TBH, I'm about the crossover line more and more these days.

A new Bruticus and Superion. Easier to pass on than Menasor was TBH (he was the worst one). I see the United / CW toys I have as one, big, set with a bunch of 3P add-ons. A new combiner breaks all that up. And it's a lot of $$$ taken all together. Honestly, there's just too many TFs there! TFs I already have. Many twice over.

Except Devestator. I'll pick up one last version of him and call it a day.

Sabrblade wrote:Something else of note is how there are no Core class figures on this list. Not even the Mini-Con Prime himself Micronus, who is instead a Deluxe.

To be fair, the Studio Series leaks were missing the Core lineup as well.

I'm glad to see the Aerialbots and Combaticons getting attention, but I really wish the Aerialbots were voyager sized to scale with the Seekers. With Silverbolt being a commander, like Motormaster was.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:A new Bruticus and Superion. Easier to pass on than Menasor was TBH (he was the worst one). I see the United / CW toys I have as one, big, set with a bunch of 3P add-ons. A new combiner breaks all that up. And it's a lot of $$$ taken all together. Honestly, there's just too many TFs there! TFs I already have. Many twice over.

Except Devestator. I'll pick up one last version of him and call it a day.

I'm calling it now, I'll pass on Superion. Imo the UW version was one of the best of that time, especially in regards to stability.
I'll only get Bruticus if I'm impressed with both the individual bots and the combined form. Only one or the other isn't going to be enough, especially like you said, considering the cost.
Combiners weren't cheap back in 2014-2017... But if these new versions include torso bots that are leader class, these will be pushing $170-$180 all said and done.

The exception will be Devastator. Make mine a double.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Something else of note is how there are no Core class figures on this list. Not even the Mini-Con Prime himself Micronus, who is instead a Deluxe.

To be fair, the Studio Series leaks were missing the Core lineup as well.

Yeah, seems very unlikely that Core class is gone.

You know, if they're doing the 13 Primes next year then we'll probably also be getting Primus. But would he be the Titan or a HasLab?

G2 Grimlock (I'm guessing this one will be blue) is the first time a SS mold has bee used unaltered (most likely) at retail as part of the main line outside of exclusives right? I'm really surprised this is how they chose to release him.

I'm hoping Heatwave is a pretool For Hot Head. Also going to guess Armada Red Alert and Flatline will share molds since they have similar parts in similar places.

Probably a Longshot guess, but I wonder if Swindle is actually a Strongarm repaint. Since there's no sign of this being the Combaticon I think it may be in the colors of Greejeeber like the Adventures figure which was based on the Car Robots character released in 2001 as Rollbar from the Swindle mold. Like I said, Longshot, but maybe the just didn't settle on a name. Alternatively it could be the Animated or Earthspark characters, but I really doubt it's the G1 character.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I'm gonna be VERY picky about what I pick up. We'll see what these look like. Out of the 13 Primes I think the Fallen is still the one that sticks with me. From the Dreamwave days. Maybe I'll get Vector Prime if they do him. Even though I have GF Vector Prime. So maybe not. He has this duplicate shoulder piece, though.

We're getting Vector Prime in Legacy United, Alpha Trion will probably be retooled from him like he was at Botcon.



Emerje

*sigh* redoing combiners from CW-PotP is so unnecessary. Although it appears to be only one, and not all of them , which is some consolation. If only they would toss in a Combiner not previously updated ( see my list) that would be nice. With 2025 not having a weaponizer line, it will probably be very few purchases if any.

Getting actual full on Roy's of the 13 primes is something I thought Abt since PotP. I probably won't be getting any of them, but still cool to have

Interesting we're getting a Superion redo. If Silverbolt is a commander then I wonder if Superion will follow Menasor and be a frame with bots attached.

Sounds promising...13 figures I dont want and more

I will avoid the 13 Primes. Aerial bots are really going to depend on how good the toys are, otherwise CW will do. Kind of hoping they are a bit lackluster because I'd be tempted for G2 versions.

Venom looks like my only want from the line up with maybe G2 Grimlock -though I didnt even get around to picking up the last one.

Emerje wrote:You know, if they're doing the 13 Primes next year then we'll probably also be getting Primus. But would he be the Titan or a HasLab?

Oooo, that's something. I once said I'd pass on a Haslab Primus, but Unicron is looking really lonely.

That's an interesting thought!

I'd rather they do Primus as a Titan. Is the engineering really that complicated? I'd buy a titan easily. Haslab I'm not so sure.

Emerje wrote:G2 Grimlock (I'm guessing this one will be blue) is the first time a SS mold has bee used unaltered (most likely) at retail as part of the main line outside of exclusives right? I'm really surprised this is how they chose to release him.

I'm thinking it will be the blue version as well. The only reason I'm not surprised at this is because Grimlock is more likely to get reused compared to the others. While the other four could be made into SG figures, other than that, it seems G2 is the only option. And if there aren't any plans for doing that, there are four leader class molds that have one-off uses and at best can be re-packed. That Grimlock mold is going to get milked.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Interesting we're getting a Superion redo. If Silverbolt is a commander then I wonder if Superion will follow Menasor and be a frame with bots attached.

While I don't think new combiners are completely necessary, won't 2025 make CW ten years old? That's a substantial amount of time imo, especially when you consider we've recently seen re-do's of characters within two to three years.
Because of the amount of time that has passed, I keep questioning if I think Hastak is all that concerned about "out-doing" or "one-upping" the previous versions of combiners.
They're clearly not going bigger, at least based on Legacy Menasor (which I'm assuming has set the new standards), as well as knowing these new limb bots are deluxe class.
If Silverbolt is CC, it most definitely could include a similar system as Motormaster. Made large enough, his long, slender-ish alt mode could probably provide at least a partial "frame" for the limbs. If nothing else, at least the legs. Which would also make sense since you can bet Hastak has prioritized stability (again, Legacy Menasor is evidence).
But who knows, my counter thought to all of this is that four Deluxes and one Commander make for one expensive combiner, with the torso bot being slightly more difficult to get.

Speaking of engineering, I do wonder if the separating limb gimmick used for SS86 Ultra Magnus is a preview of the system that will be used for these new combiners. I realize it's essentially the same as what was used for CW. But to use it 8 years after it was initially introduced means Hastak clearly likes it.

My gut is telling me that one difference, and for some of us this will be considered an improvement, will be that the combined form will appear even more G1 than the older versions. Once again, I believe Menasor is the evidence for this. Obviously Hastak won't replicate the appearances of the previous CW versions. And I doubt the new designs are going to take random liberties and further stylize these characters to be less G1 (let's be honest, most people wouldn't favor that).
For me, increased articulation, stability, and even better G1 appearance will create the pull that may tempt me to bite on these new combiners. I can totally admit I may have spoke too soon about passing on Superion...
If these new versions are relatively as good as Legacy Menasor... I'll need to adjust my TF budget before next year.

The thing about Motormaster is all of his combiner parts are in the trailer so you can separate the trailer and still have a complete figure in the truck cab alone. People usually complain about jet transformers having too much excess bot stuff hanging off the bottom so how do they make a Silverbolt turns into a jet on its own and still has the extra parts to form the Superion?

I do have one idea that might work:



Instead of putting a bunch of junk on the bottom or top why not just make one large jet roughly the size of Jetfire and have a smaller jet roughly the size of a Voyager Seeker just pop off the front of it? The back half can be all frame or base (and maybe a secret bonus jet mode if you plug the gun into the front). I think that's the best case scenario though I feel like a G1 Jetfire/Macross style super parts are probably the most likely thing they go for with parts snapped onto the top of the jet and under the wings. No matter what they do I don't think there's any way to do a Silverbolt that plays like Motormaster and still looks like a real jet.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:We're getting Vector Prime in Legacy United

Is this something that’s been leaked? I was surprised to see that Vector Prime wasn’t on the list above. He’s one of my all-time favorite characters so I was hoping to see him make the list.

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:

Emerje wrote:We're getting Vector Prime in Legacy United

Is this something that’s been leaked? I was surprised to see that Vector Prime wasn’t on the list above. He’s one of my all-time favorite characters so I was hoping to see him make the list.

Yep, quite a while ago. https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ore/47749/
And then further confirmed as part of wave 3. https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ine/47867/

Emerje

So uh...

No Armada Jetfire or Overload...

First, a new set of Constructicons. Now, Arielbots and Combaticons.

Damn it. Now I kinda wish I had liked the last batch of Stunticons enough to get them.

What if "Swindle" is just a straight repaint of Beachcomber as Cybertron Swindle.



Emerje

Anybody else having a mental crisis over the new Generations Armada figures? I have Hot Shot and Starscream, but on the fence about Megatron and Optimus. I have Armada completed toyline wise and they don't mix so I'm not going to replace them. I love them actually, but doing the toyline 1/3 or even a quarter with modern tooling... I'm just very, very conflicted.

It might just be my autism but anybody else conflicted by this member-berries Legacy line?