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mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:the human made con has a very close resemblance to starscream. early cyclonus perhaps?

Hopefully not. If it is then they've drastically missed the major details of what Cyclonus looks like, which they already did with Galvatron.

If anything, he looks like Megatron on an abstract Armada Demolishor body.

Where have you been for 7 years?
Sideswipe looks nothing like g1 sideswipe
Ironhide looks nothing like G1 ironhide
Skids
Megatron, all forms
Hound. The only thing g1 hound and movie hound have in common is green.
And the dude with the cannons for arms has a barricade face.

I've been right there the whole time, and never liked the designs. I understand artistic license, but these are supposed to be adaptations of characters we know. If the Avengers can look like the Avengers, why can't the Transformers look like the Transformers.

But really, appearance is only a superficial complaint I can level. A design change could be fine if they could make the characters their own with interesting interpretations, but they are mostly just stilted backdrops. All the names are there, they just don't mean anything.

To be frank, I'd be fine with them even referencing ARMADA Cyclonus's design, If only to know that someone recognized the history of the brand and the unique look of it's characters.

Bullcrap


They are not supposed to be the g1 characters




Are people really so ignorant they can't see that after 7 years?

It's been way longer than 7.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:I kind of wonder if the one with the hailfire missile pods was supposed to be Galvatron, since they have similar heads? He'd make a pretty good abstract Armada Demolishor, though.

He does share a lot of design cues; the head, the cables, being primarily silver with blue and gold details, little to no apparent vehicle kibble (he's got guns, but he might as well not have an alternate form). Could be an early Galvatron, or a different bot that got repurposed as him, or even perhaps all the KSI bots would've been far more homogenous...

He also has movie Screamer's big gorilla gunpod arms. He might have been intended as Screamer reborn as, oh I don't know, Cyclonus or Scourge before it got scrapped.

There's already a concept of Cyclonus. And it was actually in the movie.

There is no Cyclonus


that was never Cyclonus nor will it ever be Cyclonus that is a ksi drone whose design was based off concept art by Josh Nizzi of a nameless robot.




It's a Drone and thats not even the right image


This is the one that appears in the film the one you have is the inspiration for the film version back when it was just a nameless robot made as a demonstration

Well, he's Cyclonus now, because I say he is.

Shuttershock wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:I kind of wonder if the one with the hailfire missile pods was supposed to be Galvatron, since they have similar heads? He'd make a pretty good abstract Armada Demolishor, though.

He does share a lot of design cues; the head, the cables, being primarily silver with blue and gold details, little to no apparent vehicle kibble (he's got guns, but he might as well not have an alternate form). Could be an early Galvatron, or a different bot that got repurposed as him, or even perhaps all the KSI bots would've been far more homogenous...

He also has movie Screamer's big gorilla gunpod arms. He might have been intended as Screamer reborn as, oh I don't know, Cyclonus or Scourge before it got scrapped.

Cyclonus or Scourge were not cut



Because they were never part of the movie in the first place



Cyclouns name was used to cover up Galvatron so people would not know who he is until Hasbro announced him as being part of the movie.



Cyclonus was also Megatron's dotm cover name.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:the human made con has a very close resemblance to starscream. early cyclonus perhaps?

Hopefully not. If it is then they've drastically missed the major details of what Cyclonus looks like, which they already did with Galvatron.

If anything, he looks like Megatron on an abstract Armada Demolishor body.

Where have you been for 7 years?
Sideswipe looks nothing like g1 sideswipe
Ironhide looks nothing like G1 ironhide
Skids
Megatron, all forms
Hound. The only thing g1 hound and movie hound have in common is green.
And the dude with the cannons for arms has a barricade face.

I've been right there the whole time, and never liked the designs. I understand artistic license, but these are supposed to be adaptations of characters we know. If the Avengers can look like the Avengers, why can't the Transformers look like the Transformers.

But really, appearance is only a superficial complaint I can level. A design change could be fine if they could make the characters their own with interesting interpretations, but they are mostly just stilted backdrops. All the names are there, they just don't mean anything.

To be frank, I'd be fine with them even referencing ARMADA Cyclonus's design, If only to know that someone recognized the history of the brand and the unique look of it's characters.

Bullcrap


They are not supposed to be the g1 characters




Are people really so ignorant they can't see that after 7 years?

Of course they aren't the g1 characters. That was 1984 and the writing was extremely shaky on a lot of episodes.

But they ARE adaptations of recognizable characters that people remember from that era. People who like Transformers even passively remember what they look like. And to go forward with an adaptation without taking the source material into consideration is incredibly alienating to them. I'll say it again, the Avengers (while updated) still look like the Avengers. The Prime and Animated characters have noticeable nods to their namesakes.

Can the movies say as much?

SlyTF1 wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:the human made con has a very close resemblance to starscream. early cyclonus perhaps?

Hopefully not. If it is then they've drastically missed the major details of what Cyclonus looks like, which they already did with Galvatron.

If anything, he looks like Megatron on an abstract Armada Demolishor body.

Where have you been for 7 years?
Sideswipe looks nothing like g1 sideswipe
Ironhide looks nothing like G1 ironhide
Skids
Megatron, all forms
Hound. The only thing g1 hound and movie hound have in common is green.
And the dude with the cannons for arms has a barricade face.

I've been right there the whole time, and never liked the designs. I understand artistic license, but these are supposed to be adaptations of characters we know. If the Avengers can look like the Avengers, why can't the Transformers look like the Transformers.

But really, appearance is only a superficial complaint I can level. A design change could be fine if they could make the characters their own with interesting interpretations, but they are mostly just stilted backdrops. All the names are there, they just don't mean anything.

To be frank, I'd be fine with them even referencing ARMADA Cyclonus's design, If only to know that someone recognized the history of the brand and the unique look of it's characters.

Bullcrap


They are not supposed to be the g1 characters




Are people really so ignorant they can't see that after 7 years?

It's been way longer than 7.

2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 1011, 1012, 1013, 1014


It's seven years unless you count 2006 as well.

Shuttershock wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:the human made con has a very close resemblance to starscream. early cyclonus perhaps?

Hopefully not. If it is then they've drastically missed the major details of what Cyclonus looks like, which they already did with Galvatron.

If anything, he looks like Megatron on an abstract Armada Demolishor body.

Where have you been for 7 years?
Sideswipe looks nothing like g1 sideswipe
Ironhide looks nothing like G1 ironhide
Skids
Megatron, all forms
Hound. The only thing g1 hound and movie hound have in common is green.
And the dude with the cannons for arms has a barricade face.

I've been right there the whole time, and never liked the designs. I understand artistic license, but these are supposed to be adaptations of characters we know. If the Avengers can look like the Avengers, why can't the Transformers look like the Transformers.

But really, appearance is only a superficial complaint I can level. A design change could be fine if they could make the characters their own with interesting interpretations, but they are mostly just stilted backdrops. All the names are there, they just don't mean anything.

To be frank, I'd be fine with them even referencing ARMADA Cyclonus's design, If only to know that someone recognized the history of the brand and the unique look of it's characters.

Bullcrap


They are not supposed to be the g1 characters




Are people really so ignorant they can't see that after 7 years?

Of course they aren't the g1 characters. That was 1984 and the writing was extremely shaky on a lot of episodes.

But they ARE adaptations of recognizable characters that people remember from that era. People who like Transformers even passively remember what they look like. And to go forward with an adaptation without taking the source material into consideration is incredibly alienating to them. I'll say it again, the Avengers (while updated) still look like the Avengers. The Prime and Animated characters have noticeable nods to their namesakes.

Can the movies say as much?

How about people stop asking for it to be like the old version.




and let the movies be its own thing?



The movies are not an adaption of any other previous tf material so why should it be like the previous material besides some references?

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:I kind of wonder if the one with the hailfire missile pods was supposed to be Galvatron, since they have similar heads? He'd make a pretty good abstract Armada Demolishor, though.

He does share a lot of design cues; the head, the cables, being primarily silver with blue and gold details, little to no apparent vehicle kibble (he's got guns, but he might as well not have an alternate form). Could be an early Galvatron, or a different bot that got repurposed as him, or even perhaps all the KSI bots would've been far more homogenous...

He also has movie Screamer's big gorilla gunpod arms. He might have been intended as Screamer reborn as, oh I don't know, Cyclonus or Scourge before it got scrapped.

Cyclonus or Scourge were not cut



Because they were never part of the movie in the first place




Cyclouns name was used to cover up Galvatron so people would not know who he is until Hasbro announced him as being part of the movie.



Cyclonus was also Megatron's dotm cover name.

I get that, just speculating on the design choices from these concepts. Plus it just seemed like the type of thing they'd do.

SlyTF1 wrote:
Well, he's Cyclonus now, because I say he is.

DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT?!


Are you kidding me?



He is a KSI drone


actully there is more then one so i should say they are ksi drones.




they are not Cyclonus nor intended to be Cyclonus at all.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:the human made con has a very close resemblance to starscream. early cyclonus perhaps?

Hopefully not. If it is then they've drastically missed the major details of what Cyclonus looks like, which they already did with Galvatron.

If anything, he looks like Megatron on an abstract Armada Demolishor body.

Where have you been for 7 years?
Sideswipe looks nothing like g1 sideswipe
Ironhide looks nothing like G1 ironhide
Skids
Megatron, all forms
Hound. The only thing g1 hound and movie hound have in common is green.
And the dude with the cannons for arms has a barricade face.

I've been right there the whole time, and never liked the designs. I understand artistic license, but these are supposed to be adaptations of characters we know. If the Avengers can look like the Avengers, why can't the Transformers look like the Transformers.

But really, appearance is only a superficial complaint I can level. A design change could be fine if they could make the characters their own with interesting interpretations, but they are mostly just stilted backdrops. All the names are there, they just don't mean anything.

To be frank, I'd be fine with them even referencing ARMADA Cyclonus's design, If only to know that someone recognized the history of the brand and the unique look of it's characters.

Bullcrap


They are not supposed to be the g1 characters




Are people really so ignorant they can't see that after 7 years?

Of course they aren't the g1 characters. That was 1984 and the writing was extremely shaky on a lot of episodes.

But they ARE adaptations of recognizable characters that people remember from that era. People who like Transformers even passively remember what they look like. And to go forward with an adaptation without taking the source material into consideration is incredibly alienating to them. I'll say it again, the Avengers (while updated) still look like the Avengers. The Prime and Animated characters have noticeable nods to their namesakes.

Can the movies say as much?

How about people stop asking for it to be like the old version.




and let the movies be its own thing?



The movies are not an adaption of any other previous tf material so why should it be like the previous material besides some references?

Could it be at least as competent as Prime, which was developed during the movies?

Shuttershock wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:the human made con has a very close resemblance to starscream. early cyclonus perhaps?

Hopefully not. If it is then they've drastically missed the major details of what Cyclonus looks like, which they already did with Galvatron.

If anything, he looks like Megatron on an abstract Armada Demolishor body.

Where have you been for 7 years?
Sideswipe looks nothing like g1 sideswipe
Ironhide looks nothing like G1 ironhide
Skids
Megatron, all forms
Hound. The only thing g1 hound and movie hound have in common is green.
And the dude with the cannons for arms has a barricade face.

I've been right there the whole time, and never liked the designs. I understand artistic license, but these are supposed to be adaptations of characters we know. If the Avengers can look like the Avengers, why can't the Transformers look like the Transformers.

But really, appearance is only a superficial complaint I can level. A design change could be fine if they could make the characters their own with interesting interpretations, but they are mostly just stilted backdrops. All the names are there, they just don't mean anything.

To be frank, I'd be fine with them even referencing ARMADA Cyclonus's design, If only to know that someone recognized the history of the brand and the unique look of it's characters.

Bullcrap


They are not supposed to be the g1 characters




Are people really so ignorant they can't see that after 7 years?

Of course they aren't the g1 characters. That was 1984 and the writing was extremely shaky on a lot of episodes.

But they ARE adaptations of recognizable characters that people remember from that era. People who like Transformers even passively remember what they look like. And to go forward with an adaptation without taking the source material into consideration is incredibly alienating to them. I'll say it again, the Avengers (while updated) still look like the Avengers. The Prime and Animated characters have noticeable nods to their namesakes.

Can the movies say as much?

How about people stop asking for it to be like the old version.




and let the movies be its own thing?



The movies are not an adaption of any other previous tf material so why should it be like the previous material besides some references?

Could it be at least as competent as Prime, which was developed during the movies?

You want the movies to become as dull and boring as THAT show?



Prime was honestly the worse transformers show its worse then the movies.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:the human made con has a very close resemblance to starscream. early cyclonus perhaps?

Hopefully not. If it is then they've drastically missed the major details of what Cyclonus looks like, which they already did with Galvatron.

If anything, he looks like Megatron on an abstract Armada Demolishor body.

Where have you been for 7 years?
Sideswipe looks nothing like g1 sideswipe
Ironhide looks nothing like G1 ironhide
Skids
Megatron, all forms
Hound. The only thing g1 hound and movie hound have in common is green.
And the dude with the cannons for arms has a barricade face.

I've been right there the whole time, and never liked the designs. I understand artistic license, but these are supposed to be adaptations of characters we know. If the Avengers can look like the Avengers, why can't the Transformers look like the Transformers.

But really, appearance is only a superficial complaint I can level. A design change could be fine if they could make the characters their own with interesting interpretations, but they are mostly just stilted backdrops. All the names are there, they just don't mean anything.

To be frank, I'd be fine with them even referencing ARMADA Cyclonus's design, If only to know that someone recognized the history of the brand and the unique look of it's characters.

Bullcrap


They are not supposed to be the g1 characters




Are people really so ignorant they can't see that after 7 years?

Of course they aren't the g1 characters. That was 1984 and the writing was extremely shaky on a lot of episodes.

But they ARE adaptations of recognizable characters that people remember from that era. People who like Transformers even passively remember what they look like. And to go forward with an adaptation without taking the source material into consideration is incredibly alienating to them. I'll say it again, the Avengers (while updated) still look like the Avengers. The Prime and Animated characters have noticeable nods to their namesakes.

Can the movies say as much?

How about people stop asking for it to be like the old version.




and let the movies be its own thing?



The movies are not an adaption of any other previous tf material so why should it be like the previous material besides some references?

Could it be at least as competent as Prime, which was developed during the movies?

You want the movies to become as dull and boring as THAT show?



Prime was honestly the worse transformers show its worse then the movies.

I want the movies to calm down, stop writing humans as aliens, and let the Transformers be characters.

But if they can't give me that, fair enough. I'll stick with the shows, which I kind of think is the best format for the media.

Shuttershock wrote:
I want the movies to calm down, stop writing humans as aliens, and let the Transformers be characters.

But if they can't give me that, fair enough. I'll stick with the shows, which I kind of think is the best format for the media.

How the hell are the humans aliens?


And also about the transformers being characters guess what?


They always have been they have just had a lack of focus and lines besides the first film and AOE at least for the Autobots.





And Prime can barley be called enjoyable with the lack of interesting characters and the way they waste characters like Cliffjumper, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus, Wheeljack, Shockwave, Breakdown, Dreadwing, etc along with the repeatable and very boring relic hunts and bad fighting scenes.

Shuttershock wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:the human made con has a very close resemblance to starscream. early cyclonus perhaps?

Hopefully not. If it is then they've drastically missed the major details of what Cyclonus looks like, which they already did with Galvatron.

If anything, he looks like Megatron on an abstract Armada Demolishor body.

Where have you been for 7 years?
Sideswipe looks nothing like g1 sideswipe
Ironhide looks nothing like G1 ironhide
Skids
Megatron, all forms
Hound. The only thing g1 hound and movie hound have in common is green.
And the dude with the cannons for arms has a barricade face.

I've been right there the whole time, and never liked the designs. I understand artistic license, but these are supposed to be adaptations of characters we know. If the Avengers can look like the Avengers, why can't the Transformers look like the Transformers.

But really, appearance is only a superficial complaint I can level. A design change could be fine if they could make the characters their own with interesting interpretations, but they are mostly just stilted backdrops. All the names are there, they just don't mean anything.

To be frank, I'd be fine with them even referencing ARMADA Cyclonus's design, If only to know that someone recognized the history of the brand and the unique look of it's characters.

Bullcrap


They are not supposed to be the g1 characters




Are people really so ignorant they can't see that after 7 years?

Of course they aren't the g1 characters. That was 1984 and the writing was extremely shaky on a lot of episodes.

But they ARE adaptations of recognizable characters that people remember from that era. People who like Transformers even passively remember what they look like. And to go forward with an adaptation without taking the source material into consideration is incredibly alienating to them. I'll say it again, the Avengers (while updated) still look like the Avengers. The Prime and Animated characters have noticeable nods to their namesakes.

Can the movies say as much?

How about people stop asking for it to be like the old version.




and let the movies be its own thing?



The movies are not an adaption of any other previous tf material so why should it be like the previous material besides some references?

Could it be at least as competent as Prime, which was developed during the movies?

You want the movies to become as dull and boring as THAT show?



Prime was honestly the worse transformers show its worse then the movies.

I want the movies to calm down, stop writing humans as aliens, and let the Transformers be characters.

But if they can't give me that, fair enough. I'll stick with the shows, which I kind of think is the best format for the media.

How the hell do they write the humans as aliens. And the damn Transformers were characters. I literally heard someone complain that in AOE the Transformers were actual characters instead of big action set pieces. Someone actually COMPLAINED about that.

Hopefully not. If it is then they've drastically missed the major details of what Cyclonus looks like, which they already did with Galvatron.

If anything, he looks like Megatron on an abstract Armada Demolishor body.[/quote]
Where have you been for 7 years?
Sideswipe looks nothing like g1 sideswipe
Ironhide looks nothing like G1 ironhide
Skids
Megatron, all forms
Hound. The only thing g1 hound and movie hound have in common is green.
And the dude with the cannons for arms has a barricade face.[/quote]

I've been right there the whole time, and never liked the designs. I understand artistic license, but these are supposed to be adaptations of characters we know. If the Avengers can look like the Avengers, why can't the Transformers look like the Transformers.

But really, appearance is only a superficial complaint I can level. A design change could be fine if they could make the characters their own with interesting interpretations, but they are mostly just stilted backdrops. All the names are there, they just don't mean anything.

To be frank, I'd be fine with them even referencing ARMADA Cyclonus's design, If only to know that someone recognized the history of the brand and the unique look of it's characters.[/quote]




Bullcrap


They are not supposed to be the g1 characters




Are people really so ignorant they can't see that after 7 years?[/quote]

Of course they aren't the g1 characters. That was 1984 and the writing was extremely shaky on a lot of episodes.

But they ARE adaptations of recognizable characters that people remember from that era. People who like Transformers even passively remember what they look like. And to go forward with an adaptation without taking the source material into consideration is incredibly alienating to them. I'll say it again, the Avengers (while updated) still look like the Avengers. The Prime and Animated characters have noticeable nods to their namesakes.

Can the movies say as much?[/quote]


How about people stop asking for it to be like the old version.




and let the movies be its own thing?



The movies are not an adaption of any other previous tf material so why should it be like the previous material besides some references?[/quote]


Could it be at least as competent as Prime, which was developed during the movies?[/quote]



You want the movies to become as dull and boring as THAT show?



Prime was honestly the worse transformers show its worse then the movies.[/quote]

I want the movies to calm down, stop writing humans as aliens, and let the Transformers be characters.

But if they can't give me that, fair enough. I'll stick with the shows, which I kind of think is the best format for the media.[/quote]

How the hell do they write the humans as aliens. And the damn Transformers were characters. I literally heard someone complain that in AOE the Transformers were actual characters instead of big action set pieces. Someone actually COMPLAINED about that.[/quote]


When I say "not write the humans like aliens", I mean not write their interactions as such an awkward, uncomfortable mess that they seem to be written by aliens pretending to be human.

In the first three, this applied to every needlessly goofy character. In the new one, it's the awkward interactions between the main three.

As for the Transformers, I do think that this new movie was taking positive steps toward making them individuals, mostly with a streamlined design and with more conversational interplay. However, I think the villains still suffer from being to generic and throwaway, mainly because the interesting ones get killed before they can establish themselves.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:
I want the movies to calm down, stop writing humans as aliens, and let the Transformers be characters.

But if they can't give me that, fair enough. I'll stick with the shows, which I kind of think is the best format for the media.

How the hell are the humans aliens?


And also about the transformers being characters guess what?


They always have been they have just had a lack of focus and lines besides the first film and AOE at least for the Autobots.





And Prime can barley be called enjoyable with the lack of interesting characters and the way they waste characters like Cliffjumper, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus, Wheeljack, Shockwave, Breakdown, Dreadwing, etc along with the repeatable and very boring relic hunts and bad fighting scenes.

So, you're saying they had focus in the first movie? Nope. They were set pieces and nothing more.

Shuttershock wrote:When I say "not write the humans like aliens", I mean not write their interactions as such an awkward, uncomfortable mess that they seem to be written by aliens pretending to be human.

In the first three, this applied to every needlessly goofy character. In the new one, it's the awkward interactions between the main three.

As for the Transformers, I do think that this new movie was taking positive steps toward making them individuals, mostly with a streamlined design and with more conversational interplay. However, I think the villains still suffer from being to generic and throwaway, mainly because the interesting ones get killed before they can establish themselves.

What "awkward interactions between the main three"? The only scene in AOE I'd consider even remotely awkward would be Joshua's elevator scene.

SlyTF1 wrote:
So, you're saying they had focus in the first movie? Nope. They were set pieces and nothing more.

Not the cons its right there i agree with you.


I'm talking about the Autobots if you actually re watch it Ironhide and Ratchet had a lot of lines in that movie mostly in the part where they are looking for Sam's glasses.


The only Autobot lacking in movie one was Jazz and thats rather sad due to that being his only film.

Shuttershock wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:the human made con has a very close resemblance to starscream. early cyclonus perhaps?

Hopefully not. If it is then they've drastically missed the major details of what Cyclonus looks like, which they already did with Galvatron.

If anything, he looks like Megatron on an abstract Armada Demolishor body.

Where have you been for 7 years?
Sideswipe looks nothing like g1 sideswipe
Ironhide looks nothing like G1 ironhide
Skids
Megatron, all forms
Hound. The only thing g1 hound and movie hound have in common is green.
And the dude with the cannons for arms has a barricade face.

I've been right there the whole time, and never liked the designs. I understand artistic license, but these are supposed to be adaptations of characters we know. If the Avengers can look like the Avengers, why can't the Transformers look like the Transformers.

But really, appearance is only a superficial complaint I can level. A design change could be fine if they could make the characters their own with interesting interpretations, but they are mostly just stilted backdrops. All the names are there, they just don't mean anything.

To be frank, I'd be fine with them even referencing ARMADA Cyclonus's design, If only to know that someone recognized the history of the brand and the unique look of it's characters.

Bullcrap


They are not supposed to be the g1 characters




Are people really so ignorant they can't see that after 7 years?

Of course they aren't the g1 characters. That was 1984 and the writing was extremely shaky on a lot of episodes.

But they ARE adaptations of recognizable characters that people remember from that era. People who like Transformers even passively remember what they look like. And to go forward with an adaptation without taking the source material into consideration is incredibly alienating to them. I'll say it again, the Avengers (while updated) still look like the Avengers. The Prime and Animated characters have noticeable nods to their namesakes.

Can the movies say as much?

The TF franchise had series that featured characters that looked and acted little to nothing like what they were in G1 after the G1 era ended and introduced the concept of "name slapping" into the brand way before the movies came into being so saying that the movies are the only series in the franchise to have done this is both unfair and incorrect. It can be argued that the Beast Era actually did this first with having characters like Rampage,Inferno,and Silverbolt be nothing like the G1 characters of the same name. There's also Armada Cyclonus,RID Scourge,Armada Blurr,Hoist,Smokescreen etc.

Why is it wrong for the movies to do the same thing then? There's no rule that the characters should be strongly be based on G1 only since G1 isn't the only TF series out there.

Can we not turn this thread into ANOTHER love/hate movie thread?

Thanks.

Burn wrote:Can we not turn this thread into ANOTHER love/hate movie thread?

Thanks.

thanks i was thinking of saying that but i did not want to get chewed out by the others. i really appreciate it

Burn wrote:Can we not turn this thread into ANOTHER love/hate movie thread?

Thanks.

Thank you for stepping in and I'm sorry for being part of it.

kaijuguy19 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:the human made con has a very close resemblance to starscream. early cyclonus perhaps?

Hopefully not. If it is then they've drastically missed the major details of what Cyclonus looks like, which they already did with Galvatron.

If anything, he looks like Megatron on an abstract Armada Demolishor body.

Where have you been for 7 years?
Sideswipe looks nothing like g1 sideswipe
Ironhide looks nothing like G1 ironhide
Skids
Megatron, all forms
Hound. The only thing g1 hound and movie hound have in common is green.
And the dude with the cannons for arms has a barricade face.

I've been right there the whole time, and never liked the designs. I understand artistic license, but these are supposed to be adaptations of characters we know. If the Avengers can look like the Avengers, why can't the Transformers look like the Transformers.

But really, appearance is only a superficial complaint I can level. A design change could be fine if they could make the characters their own with interesting interpretations, but they are mostly just stilted backdrops. All the names are there, they just don't mean anything.

To be frank, I'd be fine with them even referencing ARMADA Cyclonus's design, If only to know that someone recognized the history of the brand and the unique look of it's characters.

Bullcrap


They are not supposed to be the g1 characters




Are people really so ignorant they can't see that after 7 years?

Of course they aren't the g1 characters. That was 1984 and the writing was extremely shaky on a lot of episodes.

But they ARE adaptations of recognizable characters that people remember from that era. People who like Transformers even passively remember what they look like. And to go forward with an adaptation without taking the source material into consideration is incredibly alienating to them. I'll say it again, the Avengers (while updated) still look like the Avengers. The Prime and Animated characters have noticeable nods to their namesakes.

Can the movies say as much?

The TF franchise had series that featured characters that looked and acted little to nothing like what they were in G1 after the G1 era ended and introduced the concept of "name slapping" into the brand way before the movies came into being so saying that the movies are the only series in the franchise to have done this is both unfair and incorrect. It can be argued that the Beast Era actually did this first with having characters like Rampage,Inferno,and Silverbolt be nothing like the G1 characters of the same name. There's also Armada Cyclonus,RID Scourge,Armada Blurr,Hoist,Smokescreen etc.

Why is it wrong for the movies to do the same thing then? There's no rule that the characters should be strongly be based on G1 only since G1 isn't the only TF series out there.

My theory with the Transformers Movie Universe is the same as why so many characters in the non-Marvel Studios Marvel Movie Universe are so different ... for Hasbro to retain the rights to the characters
in the way we all know and love them. Basically picture the Transformers Movie Universe like an Ultimate Marvel Universe. It's a bit of a stretch, but I can't help but think there has to be something deliberate going on to preserve the primary likeness for Hasbro and Takara Tomy.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:I kind of wonder if the one with the hailfire missile pods was supposed to be Galvatron, since they have similar heads? He'd make a pretty good abstract Armada Demolishor, though.

He does share a lot of design cues; the head, the cables, being primarily silver with blue and gold details, little to no apparent vehicle kibble (he's got guns, but he might as well not have an alternate form). Could be an early Galvatron, or a different bot that got repurposed as him, or even perhaps all the KSI bots would've been far more homogenous...

He also has movie Screamer's big gorilla gunpod arms. He might have been intended as Screamer reborn as, oh I don't know, Cyclonus or Scourge before it got scrapped.

There's already a concept of Cyclonus. And it was actually in the movie.

There is no Cyclonus


that was never Cyclonus nor will it ever be Cyclonus that is a ksi drone whose design was based off concept art by Josh Nizzi of a nameless robot.




It's a Drone and thats not even the right image


This is the one that appears in the film the one you have is the inspiration for the film version back when it was just a nameless robot made as a demonstration

What do you mean, "not the right image"? The one you provided is just a mirrored, slightly redone version of that same illustration.

Shuttershock wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:
Also, I like how Hound apparently used to be just a thin army guy with a helmet, but someone said "that's too boring, make him fat with a beard".

I think the Hound we got is much better then in that concept especially the fact that his does not work without that beard.

I did like his performance, since he seemed to be one of the few having fun with it. I probably would have re-branded him as Kup (since it's a better match for the character) and had some lines redone, but what do I know about the labyrinthine industry of a high-profile film adaptation?

I agree with Kup, plus that Drift... I wish was Springer.

Metro Prime wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:I kind of wonder if the one with the hailfire missile pods was supposed to be Galvatron, since they have similar heads? He'd make a pretty good abstract Armada Demolishor, though.

He does share a lot of design cues; the head, the cables, being primarily silver with blue and gold details, little to no apparent vehicle kibble (he's got guns, but he might as well not have an alternate form). Could be an early Galvatron, or a different bot that got repurposed as him, or even perhaps all the KSI bots would've been far more homogenous...

He also has movie Screamer's big gorilla gunpod arms. He might have been intended as Screamer reborn as, oh I don't know, Cyclonus or Scourge before it got scrapped.

There's already a concept of Cyclonus. And it was actually in the movie.

There is no Cyclonus


that was never Cyclonus nor will it ever be Cyclonus that is a ksi drone whose design was based off concept art by Josh Nizzi of a nameless robot.




It's a Drone and thats not even the right image


This is the one that appears in the film the one you have is the inspiration for the film version back when it was just a nameless robot made as a demonstration

What do you mean, "not the right image"? The one you provided is just a mirrored, slightly redone version of that same illustration.

Wrong the other one is an outdated version


The one i put on is the one in the movie