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Glyph wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I'm all for alternate universes, but I just can't see this movie being the prequel to the Bayverse. The overall tone and style are completely different.

Good news! It isn't.
https://www.ign.com/articles/transforme ... ron-better

First-Aid wrote:

Brokebot wrote:

First-Aid wrote:After some more processing, my hope for this movie is that it has a similar end-feel to The Incredibles. That was a movie aimed at kids but had an amazing story, great characters, and started with exactly the same kind of trailer. We have to remember we are getting a snippet...not the full story. The object of THIS trailer, IMHO, is to pique interest in kids who will demand parents take them to the movie because it looks FUN to them. Like I said earlier, this trailer sold my entire office staff on the movie. That's 9 early to middle age females and one in her 60s. To a person, they said they were excited for this movie. In the end, THAT is the goal...to generate initial interest with familiar characters (this is why Elita is not featured that much...she is simply not as familiar to the general audience) and some comedy aimed at exciting the kids and maybe making us old farts chuckle a bit.

The FB Transformers Addicts page is a awash in fanboy tears and whining. Frankly, I'm disgusted. I used to think Star Wars fans were the most fickle fan base with the loudest squeaky wheels and 4-year-olds-in-40-year-old bodies throwing temper tantrums because the latest fare doesn't live up to their standards. I have changed my mind, there's a new king of the Fandom Tantrum. Congratulations, Transfans.

When a restaurant starts serving **** sandwiches and blames the customer for not blindly consuming product with a smile and eagerly awaiting more product, that restaurant fails. That's a lesson Disney/Lucasfilm refuses to learn. Give the customer what they want and they remain customers. Try to cram crap down their throats that they don't want and they let you crash and burn.

The very height of hubris is to make the assumption that you are the only customer that matters. In the grand scheme of things, more younger people are fans of the new Transformers than the old school. Since they are going to be around longer, it makes sense to focus on them as a longer revenue stream. As people have said repeatedly, these movies are NOT aimed at collectors, who frankly are a bunch of a**holes anymore. They are aimed at a broad general audience. The easter eggs are for collectors, but the movies are to the masses and designed to make money. General audiences don't pick apart characters and motivation and factor in canon like the childlike fanboys. They want an escape and to have fun. If you think that because you as a Transfan you should have a bigger input and that they should cater to your pathetic tuchus when you make up less than 0.0003% of the general population, then go take a nap and go back to your coloring books and crayons...you need to grow up.

sabrblade wrote:I don't see anything in that interview that says it's a new continuity not at all connected to the previous films.

I think, when talking about Transformers One, a lot of people look back to Transformers: The Movie, since that was the last animated Transformers movie. Is Transformers One taking inspiration from that movie at all or any other particular Transformers media?

Cooley: Well, not specifically that film or any other film, except for the fact that they're the same characters. [...] Then Hasbro gave me the bible of Transformers, which is, "here's the entire timeline." I didn't realize that all we've seen in film is only this tiny bit of this gigantic story.

[...]

So there was nothing that we could borrow from the other films except for the fact that they are the same characters. We're just backing up in the timeline and going, who are they before they became what we know?

Glyph wrote:

I think, when talking about Transformers One, a lot of people look back to Transformers: The Movie, since that was the last animated Transformers movie. Is Transformers One taking inspiration from that movie at all or any other particular Transformers media?

Cooley: Well, not specifically that film or any other film, except for the fact that they're the same characters. [...] Then Hasbro gave me the bible of Transformers, which is, "here's the entire timeline." I didn't realize that all we've seen in film is only this tiny bit of this gigantic story.

[...]

So there was nothing that we could borrow from the other films except for the fact that they are the same characters. We're just backing up in the timeline and going, who are they before they became what we know?

Yeah, you could read this both ways, but it seems pretty clear to me that while the film is riffing on different aspects of TF lore from movies to cartoons to comics, it's not intending to be bound by any previous media?

I mean, not that the Bayverse films have every been particularly bothered about internal continuity anyway, but this seems to be very much in the space of "another story in the TF tapestry" to me, and not intended to be in any strict continuity at all. (Beyond Hasbro's general loosey-goosey "it's all canon!" approach)

Stormshot_Prime wrote:Reading some of these comments and. You guys realize how many backstories and various canons there’s been right? This is something new, like how all previous iterations were themselves new in their time. I just don’t understand why this movie HAS to follow all that came before, why it has to specifically stick with one set of origin stories. It’s already so based on what’s come before, but it being not exact to one particular continuity is an issue?

This franchise might be in need of some Beast Machines level risks. I’m talking a whole series with almost zero characters that have come before.

Of course I’m still excited, and of course I get someone just not wanting to see it, but some of the reasoning here is a bit confusing.

Sabrblade wrote:"Transformers: The Movie" is the 1986 animated movie. That's what the question was asking about.

That being said, in the trailer, we showcase a lot of comedy because we were having so much fun with these characters and with these actors that it just naturally made its way into the film. Optimus and Megatron become enemies, and so I wanted to make sure that the audience fell in love with them as brothers, as friends early on. By the end of this film, there's some serious stakes and there's the same amount of action and adventure that you come to expect from a Transformers film. It has that fun, light tone to it, but then it gets very real as well.

muddyjoe wrote:That looks like a big plate of hot garbage and the voices just don't work. This feels too much like those last two cringe-worthy Thor movies.

Glyph wrote:Re: continuity in the movies in general: I guess I'm operating from the assumption that if someone was handed a binder of TF lore by Hasbro and comments that they had no idea there was so much prior story, then they're not going to be discussing precise continuity within the TF multiverse in the way fans do, whatever Lorenzo tries to claim. Some context has to be assumed. "Characters" means "the hero guy called Optimus Prime who's a big red truck".

First-Aid wrote:

Brokebot wrote:When a restaurant starts serving **** sandwiches and blames the customer for not blindly consuming product with a smile and eagerly awaiting more product, that restaurant fails. That's a lesson Disney/Lucasfilm refuses to learn. Give the customer what they want and they remain customers. Try to cram crap down their throats that they don't want and they let you crash and burn.

The very height of hubris is to make the assumption that you are the only customer that matters. In the grand scheme of things, more younger people are fans of the new Transformers than the old school. Since they are going to be around longer, it makes sense to focus on them as a longer revenue stream. As people have said repeatedly, these movies are NOT aimed at collectors, who frankly are a bunch of a**holes anymore. They are aimed at a broad general audience. The easter eggs are for collectors, but the movies are to the masses and designed to make money. General audiences don't pick apart characters and motivation and factor in canon like the childlike fanboys. They want an escape and to have fun. If you think that because you as a Transfan you should have a bigger input and that they should cater to your pathetic tuchus when you make up less than 0.0003% of the general population, then go take a nap and go back to your coloring books and crayons...you need to grow up.

Sabrblade wrote:I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.

Or "The Incredibles".

Sabrblade wrote:I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.

I'm all for the kids to have their fun too.
We got plenty of grimdark with the Bay movies.


I'm not a kid.
I do not have a family.
But this ain't going to stop me.

Time for a FUN TF movie for once.

Also, Shrek is LEGENDARY. I was 25 when it was released in 2001. I bought the special edition DVD and I watch every single minutes of it. All the special features. Even the French and Spanish version on it. I don't think TF1 will match the Legend, but if it's aimed at the same audience, DAMN, this will be good.

partholon wrote:Dear gods that was horrific.

I've seen the Lego movie already, I don't need to see it again with kid Megatron.

I was hoping for something along the lines of what's happening with x men 97 , too much to ask I guess.

Dominus Prime wrote:The way I'm gonna view this movie is to look at it as a stand-alone feature. If you try to tie it in with whatever continuity is your preference, you will more than likely be disappointed. I say watch it as a stand-alone and enjoy it for what it is. I'm sure it'll be entertaining and have a few cool things to it. Will it be what I'd like a Transformers Origin movie to be? No, it won't, but I'll enjoy it for what it is.