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jtanimator wrote:okay, FINALLY an official executive of sorts who is associated with the Transformers films ADMITS that there's NO respect for continuity in the bayverse. He said it very politely, witch is to be expected, but he did, indeed, admit it.
can we all give Mr. Knight a round of applause for that alone?

Ehren Kruger likewise said that years ago in an interview regarding Age of Extinction.

william-james88 wrote:

jtanimator wrote:okay, FINALLY an official executive of sorts who is associated with the Transformers films ADMITS that there's NO respect for continuity in the bayverse. He said it very politely, witch is to be expected, but he did, indeed, admit it.
can we all give Mr. Knight a round of applause for that alone?

But that confirms that Bumblebee can still be within the Bayverse even though lots of things contradict that. So anyone who was hoping for a reboot is **** out of luck.

Ah joy that's fantastic, let's see how that pans out for them.

Because screw good story telling, or competent decision making in favor of attempting to try to make quick bucks with generic soulless action movies in a decision that everybody except Paramount knows would just result in flops.

Cyberverse is going to be the golden standard because "oh it's just a toy commercial so we don't have to try to make a good story that makes sense."

Can't wait for Transformers in God damn Rome because someone actually proposed and wrote a script for this in the writing room and thought that would be a good idea that could somehow work or a Beast Wars movie which doesn't have enough run time to do the series justice and will probably just star Optimus Prime and Bumblebee anyways.

Deadput wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

jtanimator wrote:okay, FINALLY an official executive of sorts who is associated with the Transformers films ADMITS that there's NO respect for continuity in the bayverse. He said it very politely, witch is to be expected, but he did, indeed, admit it.
can we all give Mr. Knight a round of applause for that alone?

But that confirms that Bumblebee can still be within the Bayverse even though lots of things contradict that. So anyone who was hoping for a reboot is **** out of luck.

Ah joy that's fantastic, let's see how that pans out for them.

Because screw good story telling, or competent decision making in favor of attempting to try to make quick bucks with generic soulless action movies in a decision that everybody except Paramount knows would just result in flops.

Cyberverse is going to be the golden standard because "oh it's just a toy commercial so we don't have to try to make a good story that makes sense."

Can't wait for Transformers in God damn Rome because someone actually proposed and wrote a script for this in the writing room and thought that would be a good idea that could somehow work or a Beast Wars movie which doesn't have enough run time to do the series justice and will probably just star Optimus Prime and Bumblebee anyways.

Cyberverse is actually good though...

Why are you writing off the idea that we can have good films within the live action timeline? All you need is a good story to tell. Why not wait and see what the next one brings. They will be a reboot soon enough anyway. Also if armada, Energon and Cybertron can be connected despite only a few characters retaining looks then bee is fine with the others on that front.

I don't really understand why he keeps telling us it's connected to the bayverse. He should just let it sit as is. The sad thing is, it gives a lot of fans hope for live action movies.

On a side note, about the comments for the Cyberverce cartoon. It's a pretty decent cartoon, with a decent story. It's not the greatest, but it's certainly not the worse series to come out. Mostly, it's just a fun show to watch.

Rodimus Knight wrote:I don't really understand why he keeps telling us it's connected to the bayverse. He should just let it sit as is. The sad thing is, it gives a lot of fans hope for live action movies.

I dont unerstand whats bad or sad about any of this. Also, he is only telling us beause he is asked. There is an interesting story here, where someone has accomplished to create a new experience for fans while still being within a universe some fans hate. This is a better spinoff than the Star Wars universe could ever hope for, cinematically.

Rodimus Knight wrote:I don't really understand why he keeps telling us it's connected to the bayverse. He should just let it sit as is. The sad thing is, it gives a lot of fans hope for live action movies.

On a side note, about the comments for the Cyberverce cartoon. It's a pretty decent cartoon, with a decent story. It's not the greatest, but it's certainly not the worse series to come out. Mostly, it's just a fun show to watch.

Eh, it's his right has an artist to have his work be the way he wants it. Most weren't happy with how Micheal Bay wanted his art (we have to call it art, because definition of art), but it was still HIS art. It turned out the way he wanted. Knight's the same. It may look different to us, but we aren't the artist. He'll probably insist that making Bumblebee in the movieverse was a good idea until he dies.

Sidenote: I loved Cyberverse. It was cute, quirky, and kinda unique. Can't wait to see what Chapter Two brings.

ZeroWolf wrote:Cyberverse is actually good though...

Opinion...not fact...

I'll be honest my Cyberverse comment was based off what I saw from the first 6-7 episodes which weren't awful but they weren't anything outstanding either to me.

Mostly the badly execute dialogue getting to me since voice acting is probably one of the most important things to me, you could have the greatest written story in the world but if it had the worse voice acting then I wouldn't be able to sit through.


Not looking for something dark or edgy at all but I kinda wanted something on the quality of Beast Wars or Animated, I know Cyberverse is not the worse story in Transformers cartoons but we have gotten much better in the past.

Deadput wrote:I'll be honest my Cyberverse comment was based off what I saw from the first 6-7 episodes which weren't awful but they weren't anything outstanding either to me.

If that's all you've seen, you're way behind on the good stuff.

Give Episode 10 a standalone watch. It one of the best (if not the best) episodes of the Chapter.

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:I'll be honest my Cyberverse comment was based off what I saw from the first 6-7 episodes which weren't awful but they weren't anything outstanding either to me.

If that's all you've seen, you're way behind on the good stuff.

Give Episode 10 a standalone watch. It one of the best (if not the best) episodes of the Chapter.

Thats the one where Shockwave just straight up attempts to destroy all of humanity in one fell swoop right? I love that episode. No nonsense, just blatant anihilation.

Episode 10 is also a fun watch if someone wants to know what this show can do.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:I'll be honest my Cyberverse comment was based off what I saw from the first 6-7 episodes which weren't awful but they weren't anything outstanding either to me.

If that's all you've seen, you're way behind on the good stuff.

Give Episode 10 a standalone watch. It one of the best (if not the best) episodes of the Chapter.

Thats the one where Shockwave just straight up attempts to destroy all of humanity in one fell swoop right? I love that episode. No nonsense, just blatant anihilation.

Episode 10 is also a fun watch if someone wants to know what this show can do.S

Nnnnnnoooo?

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:I'll be honest my Cyberverse comment was based off what I saw from the first 6-7 episodes which weren't awful but they weren't anything outstanding either to me.

If that's all you've seen, you're way behind on the good stuff.

Give Episode 10 a standalone watch. It one of the best (if not the best) episodes of the Chapter.

Thats the one where Shockwave just straight up attempts to destroy all of humanity in one fell swoop right? I love that episode. No nonsense, just blatant anihilation.

Episode 10 is also a fun watch if someone wants to know what this show can do.S

Nnnnnnoooo?

Sorry, brain fart, for some reason I read epsode 16.

Regarding that, everyone should watch episode 16

Rodimus Knight wrote:I don't really understand why he keeps telling us it's connected to the bayverse. He should just let it sit as is.

Most likely because Paramount and Bay himself are telling him to do so. Everyone now realizes this is how a live-action Transformers movie should have been made … with a coherent story line, emotional involvement for the audience, character development, and no cannon stomping (or in as much as Bumblebee isn't already somewhat shackled by the Bayformers movies). It is an effort to legitimize those Bayformers movies in light of what Bumblebee has wrought in acclaim (both critics and movie-goers) and homage to the source material. Both of these are quite lacking in the Bayformers movies. Remember there are media sales, Transformers figures, merchandise, etc., etc. to come from Bayformers movies. Everyone involved doesn't want to marginalize, minimize, or flat out abandon those movies. Money is at stake.

I suspect if Knight were allowed to speak freely, he would "just let it sit as is." He knows he did the franchise justice with what he directed and what Christina Hodson wrote.

I have watched Bumblebee three times now and I genuinely hope Paramount continues in this same approach to the franchise. Knight and Hodson are more than welcome to continue as long as they wish as well. I see real hope for the live-action franchise now. This after a long period of disappointment and frustration watching my beloved Transformers suffer at the hands of these train wrecks since 2007.

Ig89ninja wrote:

jtanimator wrote:okay, FINALLY an official executive of sorts who is associated with the Transformers films ADMITS that there's NO respect for continuity in the bayverse. He said it very politely, witch is to be expected, but he did, indeed, admit it.
can we all give Mr. Knight a round of applause for that alone?

I'll second this and add a few more

william-james88 wrote:This is a better spinoff than the Star Wars universe could ever hope for, cinematically.

That's a matter of opinion. I liked both Rogue One and Solo better than Bumblebee.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This is a better spinoff than the Star Wars universe could ever hope for, cinematically.

That's a matter of opinion. I liked both Rogue One and Solo better than Bumblebee.

I’m with ya on that Roddy!

I liked Rogue one better then Bumblebee and would love to see something similar to it with say The Wreckers, but I liked Bee a tad more then Solo, I enjoyed it but I got more emotional impact out of Bee then Solo.

Deadput wrote:I liked Rogue one better then Bumblebee and would love to see something similar to it with say The Wreckers, but I liked Bee a tad more then Solo, I enjoyed it but I got more emotional impact out of Bee then Solo.

Agreed. In fact I'd say Rogue One is the single best thing to come of the whole Disney/SW era. If we could turn the clocks back to 2012, and STOP the sale of Lucasfilm, Rogue One would be the only thing I regret losing. Solo to me was bland. Never thought I'd be seeing a SW film for the first time on Netflix (just last week)...but here we are. BB was way better than Solo IMHO, but Rogue One was amazing. It felt like an EU novel translated to cinema, which is Ironic since Disney mercilessly killed the EU.

Bumblebee was good but in no way spectacular. it's just that fans are so used to the garbage and dross of the Bay films, this seems like a masterpiece by comparison. Decent movie. A step in the right direction at least.

Wheeljack84 wrote:Bumblebee was good but in no way spectacular. it's just that fans are so used to the garbage and dross of the Bay films, this seems like a masterpiece by comparison. Decent movie. A step in the right direction at least.

Sometimes a film just needs to be good, not a masterpiece.

Deadput wrote:

Wheeljack84 wrote:Bumblebee was good but in no way spectacular. it's just that fans are so used to the garbage and dross of the Bay films, this seems like a masterpiece by comparison. Decent movie. A step in the right direction at least.

Sometimes a film just needs to be good, not a masterpiece.

That's fine and all, but even Bumblebee had its flaws. The robots were still fairly minor characters.

Wheeljack84 wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Wheeljack84 wrote:Bumblebee was good but in no way spectacular. it's just that fans are so used to the garbage and dross of the Bay films, this seems like a masterpiece by comparison. Decent movie. A step in the right direction at least.

Sometimes a film just needs to be good, not a masterpiece.

That's fine and all, but even Bumblebee had its flaws. The robots were still fairly minor characters.

I would greatly disagree with that. Bumblebee felt as much a main character as Hailey. And the main villains were the decepticons.

william-james88 wrote:

Wheeljack84 wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Wheeljack84 wrote:Bumblebee was good but in no way spectacular. it's just that fans are so used to the garbage and dross of the Bay films, this seems like a masterpiece by comparison. Decent movie. A step in the right direction at least.

Sometimes a film just needs to be good, not a masterpiece.

That's fine and all, but even Bumblebee had its flaws. The robots were still fairly minor characters.

I would greatly disagree with that. Bumblebee felt as much a main character as Hailey. And the main villains were the decepticons.

Bumblebee was stuck as a child-like mute through most of the film. There were two main Decepticons who were fairly two-dimensional. You can disagree and all, but to me, the robots are always second fiddle to the humans in these films. Bumblebee didn't do much to change that.