Additional Image of MP-12 Lambor / Sideswipe

So awesome with that countach alt mode... mmmm
Would have helped if they allowed the back part to rotate 180 in robot mode.

combiner711 wrote:

korisifu wrote:

guarayakha wrote:

Mach wrote:
Last but not least, the prototype photo of MP-12 Sideswipe has also make an appearance, with size comparison with MP-10 Convoy. Also the magazine is teasing the silhouette of MP-13 that will make an appearance at the upcoming 2012 Tokyo Toy Show.

Hello Soundwave?

Not sure how you thought MP-13 to be soundwave, because that totally looks like another Lambor mold.

I'm with you. It looks like a shot taken from a different angle to me. Nothing about it says Soundwave to me. I am intrigued by the new direction Masterpiece is going.

Comparing the MP13 silhouette with 3rd party SW, I can say that is Soundwave.



(pictures was used for comparison only)

It's not bad comparison the only thing that throws me off is the shoulder cannon .

That image settles it. He's definitely at least Voyager-sized.

I thought Lamborghini didn't want their cars being war toys? Guessing this will make it impossible for Hasbro to bring it to the states.

Also, notice the apparent size comparison with MP-10. Looks like the MP line is getting down scaled.

Im not bothered by the scale issue. I'd be quite happy for all the MP line to be as tall as MP01 Prime.

I know that being smaller it will be cheaper but I like the idea of MP figures towering over pretty much every other figure from every other line.

So long as its as good as it can be ( preferably with die cast parts, mmmm shiny ) I'll be happy though.

Lord Onixprime wrote:I thought Lamborghini didn't want their cars being war toys? Guessing this will make it impossible for Hasbro to bring it to the states.

That was Volkswagon.

Self wants the chest to be a bit less sharp lined.

Needs to be able to angle more. Those hard sharp corners are a turn off in bot mode.

Sabrblade wrote:

Lord Onixprime wrote:I thought Lamborghini didn't want their cars being war toys? Guessing this will make it impossible for Hasbro to bring it to the states.

That was Volkswagon.

I thought both those companies were taking that stance.

Lord Onixprime wrote:I thought Lamborghini didn't want their cars being war toys? Guessing this will make it impossible for Hasbro to bring it to the states.

Lamborghini is owned by Audi AG, which is 99.7% owned by Volkswagen AG, so it is a bit strange...unless there are enough differences to get around that.

Lord Onixprime wrote:Also, notice the apparent size comparison with MP-10. Looks like the MP line is getting down scaled.

No, it's not. For the 84th time, MP bot modes are gonna be in scale. Sideswipe is a short character, thus he's a short MP. Bigger characters will get bigger MPs, smaller characters will get smaller MPs.

I'm trying not to get angry, but it's tough when the situation needs to be repeated like that.

So wait, MP-Sideswipe is basically going to be Alternator-sized? That actually makes me way more interested in the figure. Sideswipe just didn't seem like a momentous enough character to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the other MPs, but at this size, it seems kind of awesome.

But $159 for a figure that size seems pretty insane.

TheForgottenTaxi wrote:So wait, MP-Sideswipe is basically going to be Alternator-sized? That actually makes me way more interested in the figure. Sideswipe just didn't seem like a momentous enough character to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the other MPs, but at this size, it seems kind of awesome.

But $159 for a figure that size seems pretty insane.

Not Alternator sized, that scale is more Alternity sized.

I'd say alternator is about right, if not a little bit bigger even. Although the pic below might be of the older MP optimus that was slightly larger:

MINDVVIPE wrote:I'd say alternator is about right, if not a little bit bigger even. Although the pic below might be of the older MP optimus that was slightly larger:

MP 10 is just a little bit bigger than MP Starscream



Sideswipe will be about Alternity/ Deluxe sized.

Lord Onixprime wrote:

TheForgottenTaxi wrote:So wait, MP-Sideswipe is basically going to be Alternator-sized? That actually makes me way more interested in the figure. Sideswipe just didn't seem like a momentous enough character to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the other MPs, but at this size, it seems kind of awesome.

But $159 for a figure that size seems pretty insane.

Not Alternator sized, that scale is more Alternity sized.

Alternators were closer to Voyager size, while Alternity figures were roughly Deluxes. The size comparison pic in this latest scan definitely has MP Lambor standing at Voyager height.

Compare:

Naaailed it. Damn is that old mp Prime huge compared to the newer.

I am praying to EVERY diety that exists that this get a domestic release. Please for the love of all that is holy!

MINDVVIPE wrote:I'd say alternator is about right, if not a little bit bigger even. Although the pic below might be of the older MP optimus that was slightly larger

That's definitely MP-10. Using Grimlock as a reference, yeah, so not Alternity sized, but kind of a short Alternator. Definitely not taller than an Alt though.

Damn it, too big for inclusion as a 'classics' figure, I was hoping for smaller.

The image I posted IS of MP-10.

But if you look at Sabrblades post, it shows the shorter mp prime with an alternator, and that matches up pretty much the exact same as the picture of Sideswipe, and what looks to be the same mp prime.

Sabrblade wrote:The image I posted IS of MP-10.

yeah sorry, my bad. I have amended my post. No hope for 'classicsverse' inclusion then.

Sabrblade wrote:The image I posted IS of MP-10.

Was working on my post before you posted

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion that he is about Alternator Smokescreen size, if ever so slightly shorter, and less girth.

Sideswipe is looking better and better but I'm gonna wait for an official pricing before jumping on him. If it comes in under $80 I'll buy it, if not, I'll wait for a Hasbro release.

As for the silhouette, if it is Soundwave, they really should show it and put an end to the third party toy.

Though, a downside to him being Voyager sized means that he cannot fit into MP-10's trailer.

Hm, oh well.

Sabrblade wrote:Though, a downside to him being Voyager sized means that he cannot fit into MP-10's trailer.

Hm, oh well.

True. It seems that the scale will be pretty arbitrary then. Does Rodimus look too big compared to MP-10 in vehicle mode?

I concur that MP-13 is probably Soundwave, if you look above the right shoulder of the silhouette you can see what looks like his launcher thingy. That would be awesome.

My gut reaction to the prototype images of MP-12 is that "It's awfully blocky.". I know that is accurate to the design but seeing as MP-10 was moving towards a more dynamic bot mode for an animated stylized look, MP-12 seems to be going back a step towards MP-01's blocky goodness.

I like MP-12 as it looks in the photos. I'm just wondering how its aesthetics would match up with MP-10's in bot mode.

Looking at this MP-12 design, it seems to be a sort of halfway compromise between the character models of both Sideswipe and Red Alert, so as to make it work for both. It's a little more boxy than Sideswipe, while also not quite as boxy as Red Alert.

I guess I am done buying MP's now. The figure looks great. But, I am not going to spend $160 on a figure that is (at best) the same size as an Alternator. If they decide to do a domestic release of it I will think about it. Otherwise I just can't justify that price.

Although it is nice to have a Side Swipe type of Transformer for an MP slot,I would much rather have gone Ironhide,Ratchet,Prowl,Cliffjumper and maybe Hound before this "Lambor". That is in terms of average ranking Transformers. In terms of huge leaders/first lieutenants like Soundwave,Ultra Magnus(Not ANOTHER freaking repaint!!!!)and Galvatron,the sizable MP-10 scale works for that figure. Now after this Transformer for the MP line is done,I want Takara and Hasbro to finally get around to doing the more requested Transformers and maybe the first MP Citybot.

If it's alternator sized and not too expensive i might get it.

All I can say is... GIMMEE!!!!

Can i ask why people are expressing doubt over Breakdown being released in the US?

Hypershock wrote:Can i ask why people are expressing doubt over Breakdown being released in the US?

He hasn't been announced for the US yet, or at least his wave number isn't known yet.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Hypershock wrote:Can i ask why people are expressing doubt over Breakdown being released in the US?

He hasn't been announced for the US yet, or at least his wave number isn't known yet.

True, but at Botcon when they did the Prime reveals, the Voyager wave four had Thundertron and two figures they didnt say yet, i have a sneaking suspicion that one of them is Breakdown

El Duque wrote:A better version of the MP-12 Lambor image has surfaced on ACToys! This version is clearer and shows the figure from the back and in vehicle mode. The MP-13 teaser is present as well. Check it out below.

Not for nothing but this is titled as a mp but the transformation looks pretty standard they couldn't make the wheels on the legs fold in some how. It looks like you pull down on the legs and just split them apart then flip the feet out like a standard deluxe figure. I really hope this isn't a glorified classics figure it better have gimmicks out asstronaut if its gonna cost over $50 for a deluxe class figure and that's to much looks like we are gonna be paying for the name and packaging with this mp.

So if anyone cares I looked at the pic of mp-12 standing next to mp-10 and he just makes it to the silver stripe on his rib section. So I took a couple of my figures and stood them next to my mp-10 and voyager dotm prime seems to be the exact height of mp-12. At least he's not deluxe but he's a small voyager god older voyager are so much bigger lol

Hotrodimust wrote:Not for nothing but this is titled as a mp but the transformation looks pretty standard they couldn't make the wheels on the legs fold in some how. It looks like you pull down on the legs and just split them apart then flip the feet out like a standard deluxe figure. I really hope this isn't a glorified classics figure it better have gimmicks out asstronaut if its gonna cost over $50 for a deluxe class figure and that's to much looks like we are gonna be paying for the name and packaging with this mp.

Take a better look at the back of the calves. That is not just a "'pull down the legs" transform, it's a bit more complex than it looks on the surface.

Remember, Masterpiece Grimlock has BASICALLY the same transform as G1, but it has a good bit more to it as well. Odds are the same is at work here.

Valandar wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:Not for nothing but this is titled as a mp but the transformation looks pretty standard they couldn't make the wheels on the legs fold in some how. It looks like you pull down on the legs and just split them apart then flip the feet out like a standard deluxe figure. I really hope this isn't a glorified classics figure it better have gimmicks out asstronaut if its gonna cost over $50 for a deluxe class figure and that's to much looks like we are gonna be paying for the name and packaging with this mp.

Take a better look at the back of the calves. That is not just a "'pull down the legs" transform, it's a bit more complex than it looks on the surface.

Remember, Masterpiece Grimlock has BADSICALLY the same transform as G1, but it has a good bit more to it as well. Odds are the same is at work here.

Ya I seen the caves look like they do a little more but the wheels just sit there. Most newer figures that part swings around so the wheels are facing towards the back at least and looks like a leg in the front not just the bottom of a car. And I still like the figure I'm not saying its bad but the lower legs just look blah. And as for Grimlock ya it's just like g1 but there is nothing wrong with it IMO great detail vibrant colors just the right amout of diecast in the right places that figure is what got me started on MP line

Here's my take on mp-13 pic... Soundwave!

Hotrodimust wrote:

Valandar wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:Not for nothing but this is titled as a mp but the transformation looks pretty standard they couldn't make the wheels on the legs fold in some how. It looks like you pull down on the legs and just split them apart then flip the feet out like a standard deluxe figure. I really hope this isn't a glorified classics figure it better have gimmicks out asstronaut if its gonna cost over $50 for a deluxe class figure and that's to much looks like we are gonna be paying for the name and packaging with this mp.

Take a better look at the back of the calves. That is not just a "'pull down the legs" transform, it's a bit more complex than it looks on the surface.

Remember, Masterpiece Grimlock has BADSICALLY the same transform as G1, but it has a good bit more to it as well. Odds are the same is at work here.

Ya I seen the caves look like they do a little more but the wheels just sit there. Most newer figures that part swings around so the wheels are facing towards the back at least and looks like a leg in the front not just the bottom of a car. And I still like the figure I'm not saying its bad but the lower legs just look blah. And as for Grimlock ya it's just like g1 but there is nothing wrong with it IMO great detail vibrant colors just the right amout of diecast in the right places that figure is what got me started on MP line

If you want an acurrate G1 Sideswipe, the wheels are soposed to be oriented in the position they are. To change it would be inaccurate.

horus wrote:Here's my take on mp-13 pic... Soundwave!

That's a pre-order right there and an immediate buy if all cassettes are included

Deruji wrote:

horus wrote:Here's my take on mp-13 pic... Soundwave!

That's a pre-order right there and an immediate buy if all cassettes are included

I suspect that an MP Soundwave, if there is one, will include at most 2 cassettes. The price alone for them including them all would be prohibitive.

Lord Onixprime wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:

Valandar wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:Not for nothing but this is titled as a mp but the transformation looks pretty standard they couldn't make the wheels on the legs fold in some how. It looks like you pull down on the legs and just split them apart then flip the feet out like a standard deluxe figure. I really hope this isn't a glorified classics figure it better have gimmicks out asstronaut if its gonna cost over $50 for a deluxe class figure and that's to much looks like we are gonna be paying for the name and packaging with this mp.

Take a better look at the back of the calves. That is not just a "'pull down the legs" transform, it's a bit more complex than it looks on the surface.

Remember, Masterpiece Grimlock has BADSICALLY the same transform as G1, but it has a good bit more to it as well. Odds are the same is at work here.

Ya I seen the caves look like they do a little more but the wheels just sit there. Most newer figures that part swings around so the wheels are facing towards the back at least and looks like a leg in the front not just the bottom of a car. And I still like the figure I'm not saying its bad but the lower legs just look blah. And as for Grimlock ya it's just like g1 but there is nothing wrong with it IMO great detail vibrant colors just the right amout of diecast in the right places that figure is what got me started on MP line

If you want an acurrate G1 Sideswipe, the wheels are soposed to be oriented in the position they are. To change it would be inaccurate.

agreed.. this isn't supposed to be an update to the design, it's supposed to be an attempt to make the toy as cartoon accurate as possible. the wheels are screen accurate.

also, this is more of a voyager sized toy, almost exactly the same size as the binaltech line, as to be in scale with MP10 prime. my guess is that mp13 soundwave will be the same height as prime.

craggy wrote:

Deruji wrote:

horus wrote:Here's my take on mp-13 pic... Soundwave!

That's a pre-order right there and an immediate buy if all cassettes are included

I suspect that an MP Soundwave, if there is one, will include at most 2 cassettes. The price alone for them including them all would be prohibitive.

I wouldn't mind, that's still better than trying to hunt down every cassette in expensive sets. Besides since I only buy MPs it's not that much of a problem.

TimothyR wrote:

Lord Onixprime wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:

Valandar wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:Not for nothing but this is titled as a mp but the transformation looks pretty standard they couldn't make the wheels on the legs fold in some how. It looks like you pull down on the legs and just split them apart then flip the feet out like a standard deluxe figure. I really hope this isn't a glorified classics figure it better have gimmicks out asstronaut if its gonna cost over $50 for a deluxe class figure and that's to much looks like we are gonna be paying for the name and packaging with this mp.

Take a better look at the back of the calves. That is not just a "'pull down the legs" transform, it's a bit more complex than it looks on the surface.

Remember, Masterpiece Grimlock has BADSICALLY the same transform as G1, but it has a good bit more to it as well. Odds are the same is at work here.

Ya I seen the caves look like they do a little more but the wheels just sit there. Most newer figures that part swings around so the wheels are facing towards the back at least and looks like a leg in the front not just the bottom of a car. And I still like the figure I'm not saying its bad but the lower legs just look blah. And as for Grimlock ya it's just like g1 but there is nothing wrong with it IMO great detail vibrant colors just the right amout of diecast in the right places that figure is what got me started on MP line

If you want an acurrate G1 Sideswipe, the wheels are soposed to be oriented in the position they are. To change it would be inaccurate.

agreed.. this isn't supposed to be an update to the design, it's supposed to be an attempt to make the toy as cartoon accurate as possible. the wheels are screen accurate.

also, this is more of a voyager sized toy, almost exactly the same size as the binaltech line, as to be in scale with MP10 prime. my guess is that mp13 soundwave will be the same height as prime.

That is true that's how he is in g1 I wasn't thinking about it like that. And if mp-13 is sound wave it would be nice if the cassettes were about the size of classics ravage it would be even cooler if the could put a working am fm radio in him that's not hard I've seen some really small radios these days

Deruji: How many cassettes do you think there are? There are loads. Far too many to possibly be included in one release. What might be nice would be an MP Soundwave with a couple of Cassettes, and then later, an MP Cassetticons set, with 4 of 5 of the major ones left.

Hotrodimust: an AM/FM radio wouldn't be terribly G1 accurate, seeing as how he was a tape player. honestly, if they were to go the route of giving him some kind of music playing capacity, an mp3 would work just as well. Seems unlikely since the most we've had in an MPs up until now has been some LEDs though.

craggy wrote:Deruji: How many cassettes do you think there are? There are loads. Far too many to possibly be included in one release. What might be nice would be an MP Soundwave with a couple of Cassettes, and then later, an MP Cassetticons set, with 4 of 5 of the major ones left.

Hotrodimust: an AM/FM radio wouldn't be terribly G1 accurate, seeing as how he was a tape player. honestly, if they were to go the route of giving him some kind of music playing capacity, an mp3 would work just as well. Seems unlikely since the most we've had in an MPs up until now has been some LEDs though.

For me only the ones that count^^ Rumble, Frenzy, Ravage, Laserbeak

And what about Ratbat?! HOW CAN YOU FORGET RATBAT! HE STARTED THE WHOLE WAR!

craggy wrote:Deruji: How many cassettes do you think there are? There are loads. Far too many to possibly be included in one release. What might be nice would be an MP Soundwave with a couple of Cassettes, and then later, an MP Cassetticons set, with 4 of 5 of the major ones left.

Hotrodimust: an AM/FM radio wouldn't be terribly G1 accurate, seeing as how he was a tape player. honestly, if they were to go the route of giving him some kind of music playing capacity, an mp3 would work just as well. Seems unlikely since the most we've had in an MPs up until now has been some LEDs though.

I'm sorry but there was a g1 soundwave that was a working radio and cassette player not so sure about the cassette but I know it was a radio. And a mp3 player would jack the price up a radio probably wouldn't even affect the price because the technology is just rediculously old and cheap lol. Also I commented a while back about the size of mp-13 and said they said he would be about the size of a binaltech and altinator and would fit in mp-10 trailer and someone said those models of TFs are to big to fit in mp-10. Well I'm gonna call you out on that because I just put my silverstreak in mp-10 trailer just fine and it closes up but grimlock won't fit and ravage makes in up to the back wheels so it is possible