All Classes for Titans Return Wave 4 Available on E-bay

WreckerJack wrote:Probly a dumb question but is this legit? (I don't think so)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2Flike%2F3222938255%20...%20noapp%3Dtrue%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

william-james88 wrote:

WreckerJack wrote:Probly a dumb question but is this legit? (I don't think so)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2Flike%2F3222938255%20...%20noapp%3Dtrue%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

Why wouldnt it be legit? These are new toys, there hasnt been a chance to KO them yet. So yes, this is the legit toy. However, due to it not having a box, it is probably a factory reject. The person probably made a deal with the factory to get their rejects, they might be stolen, who knows.

Back when toys were made in China, there was a lot more stuff like this, and we were able to get crazy deals on toys which didnt have packaging. Like Exclusive Cloud figures for $20 and Calvin Johnson Megatron toys for $10-$15.

But unless you live in a place that does not stock Transformer toys (like many parts of Vietnam, ironically), I would wait for you to buy this in stores or online from a standard retailer. It could even be cheaper and it would come new in its box.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Plus, $0.49 shipping from a seller in China? That is probably going to be a fairly long wait just to see if the quality is there for essentially the same price if you are in the US. Heck, you may even find them locally while you are waiting for this one to arrive.

fenrir72 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Broadsides plane mode is still shite

Compared to this?



Not perfect but waaaaaay improved.

Heck even 3rd party managed this

Hellscream9999 wrote:Strangely enough, I feel that it would fit Tidalwave as a huge, unsubtle war machine

Stuartmaximus wrote:Could it be mistransformed in the picture we've seen of it in jet mode(Broadside)

coz it's either that....or we'll have to rely on Takara Tomy in the hope that they sort something out with the jet mode

Stuartmaximus wrote:Could it be mistransformed in the picture we've seen of it in jet mode(Broadside)

coz it's either that....or we'll have to rely on Takara Tomy in the hope that they sort something out with the jet mode

Deadput wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:Could it be mistransformed in the picture we've seen of it in jet mode(Broadside)

coz it's either that....or we'll have to rely on Takara Tomy in the hope that they sort something out with the jet mode

How is Takara even supposed to change the jet mode do you think Takara would make new tooling?

In that case why would Hasbro not just release that version then?

I think the only differences are going to be paint.

Kurona wrote:To be fair the same could be said about many other products Takara has heavily retooled from Hasbro in recent history - Computron and Ginrai, for instance.

Still, for someone so D-list and obscure I can't imagine them changing the tooling beyond a cartoon-accurate face. I mean it's possible, but don't count on it.

Deadput wrote:Lightspeed was just the Wheeljack mold with a new head and paint that Hasbro simply did not use,

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:Could it be mistransformed in the picture we've seen of it in jet mode(Broadside)

coz it's either that....or we'll have to rely on Takara Tomy in the hope that they sort something out with the jet mode

Official pictures and in hand pictures have the jet mode looking like that. If it's mistransformed, every single person to get has been doing it wrong then

Deadput wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:Could it be mistransformed in the picture we've seen of it in jet mode(Broadside)

coz it's either that....or we'll have to rely on Takara Tomy in the hope that they sort something out with the jet mode

How is Takara even supposed to change the jet mode do you think Takara would make new tooling?

In that case why would Hasbro not just release that version then?

I think the only differences are going to be paint.

frogbat wrote:must admit i'm annoyed there are 2 repaints in this wave - both of which i don't have an interest in really. I was ok with breakaway because his colour scheme as I never liked Chromosome's

guess i'm gonna have to try and hunt them down as individuals.

Cyrano wrote:I'm really confused by this most recent news post. $150 shipped for five deluxes ($30+ individually) is an exciting and newsworthy deal? I feel like I'm missing something here. I mean, I get that these figures are really new and there's a premium to getting things months ahead of when they'll show up at retail. But BBTS has been doing Titans Return cases of 8 for $135 (before shipping). At US retail they shouldn't be more than $16 each or so, so about $80 for 5. $150 is very nearly double that...

Really not trying to rain on anybody's parade, just trying to understand.

Cyrano wrote:Really not trying to rain on anybody's parade, just trying to understand.

Deadput wrote:

Kurona wrote:To be fair the same could be said about many other products Takara has heavily retooled from Hasbro in recent history - Computron and Ginrai, for instance.

Still, for someone so D-list and obscure I can't imagine them changing the tooling beyond a cartoon-accurate face. I mean it's possible, but don't count on it.

I meant specifically that they would make new tooling for only the jet mode yet somehow nothing would change the robot and ship mode.


For Ginrai Takara changed both modes drastically and for Computron Afterburner was the exact same as the Hasbro version with different paint, Lightspeed was just the Wheeljack mold with a new head and paint that Hasbro simply did not use, Strafe is a remold of a mold that did not see Hasbro release although instead Hasbro made their own retool for Strafe that did not see a Takara release and finally Scattorshot and Nosecone are drastic enough retools that I don't understand why Hasbro did not use them so I agree with those two.

Stuartmaximus wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Kurona wrote:To be fair the same could be said about many other products Takara has heavily retooled from Hasbro in recent history - Computron and Ginrai, for instance.

Still, for someone so D-list and obscure I can't imagine them changing the tooling beyond a cartoon-accurate face. I mean it's possible, but don't count on it.

I meant specifically that they would make new tooling for only the jet mode yet somehow nothing would change the robot and ship mode.


For Ginrai Takara changed both modes drastically and for Computron Afterburner was the exact same as the Hasbro version with different paint, Lightspeed was just the Wheeljack mold with a new head and paint that Hasbro simply did not use, Strafe is a remold of a mold that did not see Hasbro release although instead Hasbro made their own retool for Strafe that did not see a Takara release and finally Scattorshot and Nosecone are drastic enough retools that I don't understand why Hasbro did not use them so I agree with those two.

& don't forget that CW Blast Off was also retooled(by Takara) from a repainted arielbot to his original space shuttle look

Sabrblade wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Kurona wrote:To be fair the same could be said about many other products Takara has heavily retooled from Hasbro in recent history - Computron and Ginrai, for instance.

Still, for someone so D-list and obscure I can't imagine them changing the tooling beyond a cartoon-accurate face. I mean it's possible, but don't count on it.

I meant specifically that they would make new tooling for only the jet mode yet somehow nothing would change the robot and ship mode.


For Ginrai Takara changed both modes drastically and for Computron Afterburner was the exact same as the Hasbro version with different paint, Lightspeed was just the Wheeljack mold with a new head and paint that Hasbro simply did not use, Strafe is a remold of a mold that did not see Hasbro release although instead Hasbro made their own retool for Strafe that did not see a Takara release and finally Scattorshot and Nosecone are drastic enough retools that I don't understand why Hasbro did not use them so I agree with those two.

& don't forget that CW Blast Off was also retooled(by Takara) from a repainted arielbot to his original space shuttle look

No he wasn't. Takara just ignored Hasbro's toy and made a completely new mold from scratch.

william-james88 wrote:Can different tooling really save this though? This just looks ;like the wrong approach to transformation if you want 3 modes. Ideally, you should have the wings serving double duty for the carrier halves, with folded panels to give the wings a different shape. And it is baffling how some fake kibble is only seen in robot mode. For all the parts that need a double duty, they waste the shoulders on random detail that serves no purpose in any mode. So with everything in the top half being used independently for the 2 modes, they are stuck cramming the rest of the plane into a very little area and so there is very little room for anything convincing.

This was not a smart approach to the figure.

Hellscream9999 wrote:Gotta agree, as is alpha trion is a better ship than broadside is a jet, I honestly don't have any problems with a3 at all, worth every penny

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Gotta agree, as is alpha trion is a better ship than broadside is a jet, I honestly don't have any problems with a3 at all, worth every penny

I have problems with the sides of his ship at the back. Those lion half heads. They dont really work and remove that shape the ship is forming. I tried doing it so that they are raised with the horn acting as a tail fin but that doesnt work either. I really love his landing gear though.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Gotta agree, as is alpha trion is a better ship than broadside is a jet, I honestly don't have any problems with a3 at all, worth every penny

I have problems with the sides of his ship at the back. Those lion half heads. They dont really work and remove that shape the ship is forming. I tried doing it so that they are raised with the horn acting as a tail fin but that doesnt work either. I really love his landing gear though.

Eh, they really don't look like lion heads, just big chunky engine components, it's just that you know it's a lion, so it becomes more noticeable

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Gotta agree, as is alpha trion is a better ship than broadside is a jet, I honestly don't have any problems with a3 at all, worth every penny

I have problems with the sides of his ship at the back. Those lion half heads. They dont really work and remove that shape the ship is forming. I tried doing it so that they are raised with the horn acting as a tail fin but that doesnt work either. I really love his landing gear though.

Eh, they really don't look like lion heads, just big chunky engine components, it's just that you know it's a lion, so it becomes more noticeable

Oh, I didnt mean that they look like lion heads, they just dont work with the rest of the look for me. Especially since it also exposed the hands.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Looking at Braodside's Jet mode closer...



Yes, that is the intended configuration, the arms hook into cavities in the legs. Do I have a problem with it? Not really, who says it's supposed to be like a real life jet? Heck, it looks more aerodynamic than some of the boxes with wings we have. And it's not like it's unprecedented, look at a certain black transforming jet a few pages back.

Who's idea was it to make Broadside a carrier back in G1 anyway?

Kurona wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Looking at Braodside's Jet mode closer...



Yes, that is the intended configuration, the arms hook into cavities in the legs. Do I have a problem with it? Not really, who says it's supposed to be like a real life jet? Heck, it looks more aerodynamic than some of the boxes with wings we have. And it's not like it's unprecedented, look at a certain black transforming jet a few pages back.

Who's idea was it to make Broadside a carrier back in G1 anyway?

I think the main offender here - despite seemingly obvious appearances - is the placement of the wings. I could buy the idea of a much bulkier-looking jet like this if the wings were placed somewhere in the middle; as is, putting them right at the bottom just makes it look ridiculous.

Kurona wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Looking at Braodside's Jet mode closer...



Yes, that is the intended configuration, the arms hook into cavities in the legs. Do I have a problem with it? Not really, who says it's supposed to be like a real life jet? Heck, it looks more aerodynamic than some of the boxes with wings we have. And it's not like it's unprecedented, look at a certain black transforming jet a few pages back.

Who's idea was it to make Broadside a carrier back in G1 anyway?

I think the main offender here - despite seemingly obvious appearances - is the placement of the wings. I could buy the idea of a much bulkier-looking jet like this if the wings were placed somewhere in the middle; as is, putting them right at the bottom just makes it look ridiculous.

Qwan wrote:

Kurona wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Looking at Braodside's Jet mode closer...



Yes, that is the intended configuration, the arms hook into cavities in the legs. Do I have a problem with it? Not really, who says it's supposed to be like a real life jet? Heck, it looks more aerodynamic than some of the boxes with wings we have. And it's not like it's unprecedented, look at a certain black transforming jet a few pages back.

Who's idea was it to make Broadside a carrier back in G1 anyway?

I think the main offender here - despite seemingly obvious appearances - is the placement of the wings. I could buy the idea of a much bulkier-looking jet like this if the wings were placed somewhere in the middle; as is, putting them right at the bottom just makes it look ridiculous.

Hmm, I think you might be right! Sadly my computer trashed itself last month and I don't have Photoshop any more, but thanks to the power of MS PAINT I present:

A slightly better-looking Broadside!

Not that there's any way this could actually be achieved on the figure as-is, it'd have to have been a change made in the design stage, but at least it's nice to know what (part of) the problem is.

WreckerJack wrote:Kinda wanted to see how it would look if the wings matched the body of the plane more. Gotta say I like this dark grey.

fenrir72 wrote:I just like "accidentally" visited the local TRU and voila, scored a "62841/ #CO286" figure (those who own one by checking his butt knows who I mean ). The only one from his lot case to be exact .

Trying to hold off for an eventual Takara release but he is so awesome that I was overcome by my TF instincts.

A great update of his G1 incarnation you get six times the bang for your buck!. Sure the Titanmaster figure was so plain underpainted (the homunculi part) but the teal color worked well enough to show the figure's details unlike the gray of Blunderbuss.

I wonder if Takara will attempt a retool for this mold so that Blackshadow can finally get to fight his "pursuer" in Victory.

Insurgent wrote:Sixshot. The six times the bang for your buck and the Greatshot remoulding musings give it away.

Qwan wrote:

WreckerJack wrote:Kinda wanted to see how it would look if the wings matched the body of the plane more. Gotta say I like this dark grey.

Heh, originally the grey smudge was actually just me using my ""professional"" photo manipulation ""skills"" to fill in the blank space left by the wing when I moved it (just color-selected the background and waved the paintbrush tool over top of the empty white space). But you're totally right, he does look even better with those bigger wings!