Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store

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Our own megaconvoy has brought us some news about some of the BotCon 2007 exclusives. The Alpha Trion,Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma set has now been made available in the Transformers Club Store. You can check out the listing by clicking here.

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Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226141)
Posted by Hotrod on July 17th, 2007 @ 1:53am CDT

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Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226153)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on July 17th, 2007 @ 2:09am CDT

Wish i had the $150. All ive got is $20 and thats for voyager Megatron.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226185)
Posted by DarkPrimus on July 17th, 2007 @ 2:52am CDT

I don't have the money for them and I doubt they'll still be available when I do.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226188)
Posted by First-Aid on July 17th, 2007 @ 3:00am CDT

I'm so broke...why'd this have to happen now???

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226199)
Posted by Scaleface on July 17th, 2007 @ 3:36am CDT

I'm glad this happened, the scalping on ebay has been incredible. I've seen this set sell for as much as $300!

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FTransformers-Botcon%20...%20dZViewItem%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

And all this for toys that would sell for $30 in stores if they were retail.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226217)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on July 17th, 2007 @ 4:08am CDT

Y'know, I still can't decide if I want this at all...so I'll pass agan and call it quits on even thinking about this set.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226226)
Posted by Bonger on July 17th, 2007 @ 4:17am CDT

NuclearConvoy wrote:Y'know, I still can't decide if I want this at all...so I'll pass agan and call it quits on even thinking about this set.

A3 is amazing. I rarely higly recommend stuff. But in this case, if you are a G1 fan, this is imo a must have.

If I were to thin down my collection to fifty, this would be one of the ones I kept.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226300)
Posted by Relic Dinobot on July 17th, 2007 @ 5:55am CDT

Why are these always so bloody expensive 'must have' items available just when I'm completely broke. :sad:

D'ah well. I'll go with NuclearConvoy and just forget about getting them, then.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226315)
Posted by Maximal Primal on July 17th, 2007 @ 6:18am CDT

Well it seems as with most things in this world driven by money and demand, that a simple fan who is not rich and extremely wealthy will have to pass on the Botcon exclusives. I am new to the whole system, and this is my first disappointment as a fan. I can't believe how expensive Botcon Merchandise is.

For the price of just one of that set I could buy 4 older Transformers toys in MISB on ebay and be satisfied knowing their price would rise in years to come. But as for the Botcon stuff, they just look like repaints and slight remolds to me.

If I really wanted I could buy an older one of some of the figures in loose on ebay and have a professional repaint them for less money then what I could if I bought the Botcon merchandise. It's completely depressing to see what selective Capitalism versus mass consumerism can do when delegated to the transformers Brand.

Sorry guys, But I have to pass, and not because I'm a new collector and all, and I still need to pick up my stuff from the Unicron Trilogy, or RID/Car Robots/Movie toys, ect.
But because those are just not a priority on my list. IMO, anyone who pays that much for those repaints simply because of where they came from and such, are fools. Supporting such an expensive and unrealistic exclusive Toyline such as that really makes me angry about collecting.

Between the expensive and over rated Botcon exclusives, the Elusive "sign over your college fund" Lucky Draw exclusives, the Scalpers who jack up the prices on ebay, bad ebay sellers who after payment recieved, never send the merchandise, greedy little comic shops, consignment hunters, and Mall dealer tables, this franchise has alot of greed and "issues" which make it very hard for a fan with little to no money to keep up, let alone stay interested without getting extremely frustrated!! :-x

SO either join the club and get the set at roughly $150.00 USD or be a non member and pay roughly $180.00 USD? What a freaking expensive set for 2 plastic toys who would have retailed for at the most $25.00 in stores!

Defending them by saying they need this amount of money to continue to bring exclusives to the Botcon is simply not true, its a demand thing and as far as I can tell these Botcon repaints are in demand, production costs can't be so high that these figures should cost $60.00 each to produce or even with a profit gain of $20.00 they don't cost $40.00 to produce.

Rule of thumb, the more you produce the cheaper the item becomes, and because they under produced, which still doesn't cost them that much to manufacture, I'm sure of it, they can charge extremely ludicrous amounts of money to purchase them?? WTF!!!

It's Insane!

Lets put this into perspective shall we, a MP-03 Star Scream from Takara retails on ebay on average at about $75.00 to $100.00,
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dl%20...%20category0%3D%3C%2Fa%3E%3F
while the Wal-mart "exclusive" repaint will retail somewhere around $50.00, which is more sought after then the Takara release, it's a masterpiece repaint and not some voyager class repaint???

I know I'm new and all to this fandom, but come on!! does anyone else think that these sets are just way too expensive? :???:

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226330)
Posted by Bonger on July 17th, 2007 @ 6:43am CDT

Nah, I'm cool with it. Compared to how much I've dished out on artist proof statues, MPs, BTs, past Botcon stuff, ehobby exclusives, its really not ALL that much.

Plus, its limited to 1400 pieces. This will be worth a hell of a lot more in a few years and may even outstrip your MISB G1s for value in the medium term.

Then again, its a botcon exclusive. So basically, it was made for the 1400 fans with a little bit of extra cash. If 150 is a lot of money to you, you definately should not waste it on a toy. I am with you there. However, if 150 is a lot for you, you were not the target consumer to begin with.

Thats kinda the point of exclusives in Japan, Europe, here, whereever. They are always overpriced and do appreciate nicely.

And I do not mean to be offensive at all. Its just that I have been reading stuff like this for months now and I guess, this one more put me over the top and I needed to blow off some steam. Everyone doesn't get everything, unless you have unlimited cash. Thats just the way it works. Luckily, as consumers, we get to choose what we spend our money on.

Nah, I'm cool with it. Compared to how much I've dished out on artist proof statues, MPs, BTs, past Botcon stuff, ehobby exclusives, its really not ALL that much.

Plus, its limited to 1400 pieces. This will be worth a hell of a lot more in a few years and may even outstrip your MISB G1s for value in the medium term.

Plus, you cannot compare it to MP-03. How many thousands of those were made?

Then again, its a botcon exclusive. So basically, it was made for the 1400 fans with a little bit of extra cash. If 150 is a lot of money to you, you definately should not waste it on a toy. I am with you there. However, if 150 is a lot for you, you were not the target consumer to begin with.

And I do not mean to be offensive at all. Its just that I have been reading stuff like this for months now and I guess, this one more put me over the top and I needed to blow off some steam. Everyone doesn't get everything, unless you have unlimited cash. Thats just the way it works. Luckily, as consumers, we get to choose what we spend our money on.

Like it or not, TF collecting has become an adult hobby. With that territory comes really cool stuff like the MP and BT lines. With it also comes the world of limited runs and exclusives. Its part of the collecting game, in any line of collecting. Its also the difference between being a Transformers collector and being a guy who buys Transformers toys.

Hell, I wish I could buy all the TFs I want. Theres sooo many out there that I am dying to own. Alas, my funds are far from unlimited. IMO, the ones that are harder to get are like wine. I'll be patient and get them eventually, and the longer it takes, the sweeter opening the package they arrive in will be.

Well, thats my 2 and a half cents. ;-)

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226335)
Posted by Maximal Primal on July 17th, 2007 @ 6:52am CDT

I see your point on that, but one could also say that the longer it takes to save up the money the higher the price goes as availability waivers. I understand the target market is for a handful of fans, but it still doesn't maske it any easier to deal with not being included simply because of the expensive nature.

I feel like a kid in the 1950s whose parents couldn't afford a TV set while the rich kids down the street had 2 and discussed the latest tv shows in front of me, with me feeling excluded.

It's a horrible feeling to want something, and be excluded because you can't afford it.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226375)
Posted by Counterpunch on July 17th, 2007 @ 7:35am CDT

Scaleface wrote:I'm glad this happened, the scalping on ebay has been incredible. I've seen this set sell for as much as $300!

Sold mine right after BotCon. Made myself both a profit and a prophet.

Maximal Primal wrote:I can't believe how expensive Botcon Merchandise is.

Well, you are new, so it's understandable. If you had been around the past few months, you would have heard others of us preaching the virtues of getting these things early.

But as for the Botcon stuff, they just look like repaints and slight remolds to me.

That's exactly what they are. But the cost of doing that is high and these are quite exclusive. You're honestly lucky getting a chance to buy them at this time.

If I really wanted I could buy an older one of some of the figures in loose on ebay and have a professional repaint them for less money then what I could if I bought the Botcon merchandise. It's completely depressing to see what selective Capitalism versus mass consumerism can do when delegated to the transformers Brand.

Not bloody likely.

Let me work something like that out for you.

A job like that would cost for all of the following (I know, I've done it)

-The toy. $20
-The materials. $20 (or $120 if a dremel tool is necessary)
-Time to disassemble (Time money)
-Time to prime/paint (Time money)
-Time to finish/reassemble (Time money)
-A fee for services. ($$$)

Ask any customizer.

Sorry guys, But I have to pass, and not because I'm a new collector and all, and I still need to pick up my stuff from the Unicron Trilogy, or RID/Car Robots/Movie toys, ect.
But because those are just not a priority on my list. IMO, anyone who pays that much for those repaints simply because of where they came from and such, are fools. Supporting such an expensive and unrealistic exclusive Toyline such as that really makes me angry about collecting.

Then you don't get anything special or limited. That's market economics. You're saying other toys are more demanding of your money and that the limited supply of exclusives isn't worth a price hike to you. It's your choice. As long as you don't make some lame rationalization about it....

Between the expensive and over rated Botcon exclusives, the Elusive "sign over your college fund" Lucky Draw exclusives, the Scalpers who jack up the prices on ebay, bad ebay sellers who after payment recieved, never send the merchandise, greedy little comic shops, consignment hunters, and Mall dealer tables, this franchise has alot of greed and "issues" which make it very hard for a fan with little to no money to keep up, let alone stay interested without getting extremely frustrated!!

Crap. You dun-did-it...

SO either join the club and get the set at roughly $150.00 USD or be a non member and pay roughly $180.00 USD? What a freaking expensive set for 2 plastic toys who would have retailed for at the most $25.00 in stores!

I love mine. I love them more because you can not get them in stores where the hordes of unwashed masses wander. (is that mean?...good.

)

Defending them by saying they need this amount of money to continue to bring exclusives to the Botcon is simply not true, its a demand thing and as far as I can tell these Botcon repaints are in demand, production costs can't be so high that these figures should cost $60.00 each to produce or even with a profit gain of $20.00 they don't cost $40.00 to produce.

Show me your degree in economics or an equivalent work experience in marketing and production which says you can justify those numbers.

Rule of thumb, the more you produce the cheaper the item becomes,

That applies to numbers which approach tens of thousands of units.

Not a run of 1500 pieces like these toys are. Before you say that these should go to market, the deal with Hasbro limits how long these toys can be made and in how many numbers.

Lets put this into perspective shall we, a MP-03 Star Scream from Takara retails on eBay on average at about $75.00 to $100.00,
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dl%20...%20category0%3D%3C%2Fa%3E%3F
while the Wal-mart "exclusive" repaint will retail somewhere around $50.00, which is more sought after then the Takara release, it's a masterpiece repaint and not some voyager class repaint???

That has nothing to do with anything relevant here. MP Starscream is an import release. You are paying mark up for the import. Hence why the domestic release is so much cheaper.

I know I'm new and all to this fandom, but come on!! does anyone else think that these sets are just way too expensive?

I think they're too expensive for most people. This is the goal after all. Exclusive is exclusive is exclusive. Pay to play.

How many BMWs do you own? Have a Porsche or two? Would you like them to cost as much as a Jetta? Sure. Will it happen?

No.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226383)
Posted by Liege Evilmus on July 17th, 2007 @ 7:42am CDT

What I realy want is the little Vector Sigma. I have a homemade one. Actualy it's just a crystal from an old chandeler. I did the same thing with the Matrix till I found some bootlegged on Ebay. I still use the one crystal to represent Prime's spark in Optimal Optimus.

I can't help but wonder if BBTS is going to stock it in their TF acssories section. I love my Golden Disk set, and finaly retired the dollar slot machine tokens I was using.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226387)
Posted by Lapse Of Reason on July 17th, 2007 @ 7:46am CDT

Thank you, Counterpunch. You took the time to write exactly what I wanted to write.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226395)
Posted by Cyber Bishop on July 17th, 2007 @ 7:49am CDT

How much were these at Botcon? $50 or so?

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226402)
Posted by Lapse Of Reason on July 17th, 2007 @ 7:54am CDT

Cyber Bishop wrote:How much were these at Botcon? $50 or so?

$89 for AT / WW plus $16 or so for Vector Sigma, plus tax.

Springer / Huffer set was $49 plus tax.

On Sunday (the last day of Botcn) I went to the Club line again (not many people there) and asked if they had any souvenior sets left. They did! In stock they had Huffer / Springer plus Vector Sigma. They also told me if I wanted Alpha Trion / WW they had them back in Texas and would mail them after the convention. These were available to anyone at the convention at those prices, not just members. They had a limit of two per person. My group orderd 6 because there were three of us/ They gave us the Springer/WW sets and Vector Sigma right then. We are still waiting for At/WW but I got word that they shipped a few days ago.

Even with the sets I have coming, I still ordered an extra one to keep stored away until they are fetching a high price again. Toys as an investment - it isn't real estate or the stock market, but it sure feels good to triple your money.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226412)
Posted by Counterpunch on July 17th, 2007 @ 8:01am CDT

Lapse Of Reason wrote:Thank you, Counterpunch. You took the time to write exactly what I wanted to write.

I'm practicing becoming a middle-aged balding man who will sit on a public beach and write cynically about world affairs, young people, and why music died with John Lennon; all while sipping mai-tais and wishing that the A-Team was back on TV.

(I don't even know when I'm joking anymore...)

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226477)
Posted by TFBuyer on July 17th, 2007 @ 8:56am CDT

Counterpunch wrote:
Lapse Of Reason wrote:Thank you, Counterpunch. You took the time to write exactly what I wanted to write.

I'm practicing becoming a middle-aged balding man

Sadly, I can give you some pointers there...

..but I still enjoy reading your posts. ;)^

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226519)
Posted by HollyW00d on July 17th, 2007 @ 9:22am CDT

Scaleface wrote:I'm glad this happened, the scalping on ebay has been incredible. I've seen this set sell for as much as $300!

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FTransformers-Botcon%20...%20dZViewItem%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

And all this for toys that would sell for $30 in stores if they were retail.

More than that, I sold my set for $580, although I was the first one to put it up on Ebay.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226565)
Posted by Maximal Primal on July 17th, 2007 @ 9:52am CDT

Counterpunch wrote:
Scaleface wrote:I'm glad this happened, the scalping on ebay has been incredible. I've seen this set sell for as much as $300!

Sold mine right after BotCon. Made myself both a profit and a prophet.

Your just like the ebayers!!! :shock:

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:I can't believe how expensive Botcon Merchandise is.

Well, you are new, so it's understandable. If you had been around the past few months, you would have heard others of us preaching the virtues of getting these things early.

I suppose, but I wasn't into the Transformers then like I am now.

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:But as for the Botcon stuff, they just look like repaints and slight remolds to me.

That's exactly what they are. But the cost of doing that is high and these are quite exclusive. You're honestly lucky getting a chance to buy them at this time.

Why am I lucky? weren't some of them sold at like $50.00 at the Botcon?

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote: If I really wanted I could buy an older one of some of the figures in loose on ebay and have a professional repaint them for less money then what I could if I bought the Botcon merchandise. It's completely depressing to see what selective Capitalism versus mass consumerism can do when delegated to the transformers Brand.

Not bloody likely.

Let me work something like that out for you.

A job like that would cost for all of the following (I know, I've done it)

-The toy. $20
-The materials. $20 (or $120 if a dremel tool is necessary)
-Time to disassemble (Time money)
-Time to prime/paint (Time money)
-Time to finish/reassemble (Time money)
-A fee for services. ($$$)

Ask any customizer.

I have and I've been debating it, there are plenty of Games Workshop Hobbyists at the local comic shop who would definitely do it for me for like $20.00 to $30.00, heck that's a new minature to those guys!!! it's like crack!

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote: Sorry guys, But I have to pass, and not because I'm a new collector and all, and I still need to pick up my stuff from the Unicron Trilogy, or RID/Car Robots/Movie toys, ect.
But because those are just not a priority on my list. IMO, anyone who pays that much for those repaints simply because of where they came from and such, are fools. Supporting such an expensive and unrealistic exclusive Toyline such as that really makes me angry about collecting.

Then you don't get anything special or limited. That's market economics. You're saying other toys are more demanding of your money and that the limited supply of exclusives isn't worth a price hike to you. It's your choice. As long as you don't make some lame rationalization about it....

Lame rationalization?? Buying into that system only feeds it more.

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote: Between the expensive and over rated Botcon exclusives, the Elusive "sign over your college fund" Lucky Draw exclusives, the Scalpers who jack up the prices on ebay, bad ebay sellers who after payment recieved, never send the merchandise, greedy little comic shops, consignment hunters, and Mall dealer tables, this franchise has alot of greed and "issues" which make it very hard for a fan with little to no money to keep up, let alone stay interested without getting extremely frustrated!!

Crap. You dun-did-it...

Yes I dealt it, so now you smelled it!

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote: SO either join the club and get the set at roughly $150.00 USD or be a non member and pay roughly $180.00 USD? What a freaking expensive set for 2 plastic toys who would have retailed for at the most $25.00 in stores!

I love mine. I love them more because you can not get them in stores where the hordes of unwashed masses wander. (is that mean?...good. )

So to you it's like a woman who only buys designer dresses :grin:

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote: Defending them by saying they need this amount of money to continue to bring exclusives to the Botcon is simply not true, its a demand thing and as far as I can tell these Botcon repaints are in demand, production costs can't be so high that these figures should cost $60.00 each to produce or even with a profit gain of $20.00 they don't cost $40.00 to produce.

Show me your degree in economics or an equivalent work experience in marketing and production which says you can justify those numbers.

Show me your degree to discount those numbers? Leave phototshop out of it.

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:Rule of thumb, the more you produce the cheaper the item becomes,

That applies to numbers which approach tens of thousands of units.

Not a run of 1500 pieces like these toys are. Before you say that these should go to market, the deal with Hasbro limits how long these toys can be made and in how many numbers.

So it's Hasbro who has the final say as to how many get produced? That sucks. :-(

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:Lets put this into perspective shall we, a MP-03 Star Scream from Takara retails on eBay on average at about $75.00 to $100.00,
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dl%20...%20category0%3D%3C%2Fa%3E%3F
while the Wal-mart "exclusive" repaint will retail somewhere around $50.00, which is more sought after then the Takara release, it's a masterpiece repaint and not some voyager class repaint???

That has nothing to do with anything relevant here. MP Starscream is an import release. You are paying mark up for the import. Hence why the domestic release is so much cheaper.

That's still a repaint and a Higher quality one at that because it's a Masterpiece.

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:I know I'm new and all to this fandom, but come on!! does anyone else think that these sets are just way too expensive?

I think they're too expensive for most people. This is the goal after all. Exclusive is exclusive is exclusive. Pay to play.

How many BMWs do you own? Have a Porsche or two? Would you like them to cost as much as a Jetta? Sure. Will it happen?

No.

I find that the most sense made of the subject. I think that in the future anything regarding the Botcon section is off my radar, you should work for them, you obviously love them very much. You got to go to the Botcon, so for you making a profit is okay and your up there with all the rest defending it, but you can't be in the right because you don't know what it's like to be one of us who didn't go! #-o

Incidentally, I would rather invest my money into a BMW then a Botcon toy. Yeah I own 1 BMW, that's why my money is tight, but I live large down roDAYo drive. :grin:

Your priorities will get you consumer of the year at corporate functions for Hasbro. :BANG_HEAD:

Way to go!!;)^

Lapse Of Reason wrote:Thank you, Counterpunch. You took the time to write exactly what I wanted to write.

Suck up. Do not fear that which is mortal and in the end fallable.it's like befriending a pitbull, he may be nice to you for a time, but eventually he can and will turn on you. From what I've seen on these threads. "Not nice, good"

Counterpunch wrote:
Lapse Of Reason wrote:Thank you, Counterpunch. You took the time to write exactly what I wanted to write.

I'm practicing becoming a middle-aged balding man who will sit on a public beach and write cynically about world affairs, young people, and why music died with John Lennon; all while sipping mai-tais and wishing that the A-Team was back on TV.

(I don't even know when I'm joking anymore...)

What is the A-team? If your not sure about your mental health, then why should I take any of your opinions on the Botcon Merchandise seriously? Cynicism is a result of the unhappiness within, I always thought old people were supposed to mellow with age? :-B

HollyW00d wrote:
Scaleface wrote:I'm glad this happened, the scalping on ebay has been incredible. I've seen this set sell for as much as $300!

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FTransformers-Botcon%20...%20dZViewItem%3C%2Fa%3E%3F

And all this for toys that would sell for $30 in stores if they were retail.

More than that, I sold my set for $580, although I was the first one to put it up on Ebay.

So buy it on the TFclub website before they are gone and your back to paying $300.oo to $500.00?? :-?

Yeah, maybe it is lucky for those who didn't go to the botcon, so they can go to the TFclub to pay 2 times what they were originally sold 8-}

, instead of going to the internet scalpers and paying 4 times =P~

, you guys are no different, but I don't blame you for it, I blame the idiots who forked over half a grand for buying into it. :BLACKEYE:

Sorry counterpunch, HollyW00d, Lapse Of Reason, you guys are the haves and I'm in the Have Not category, you'll never see my point of view, even if it was beaten into you with a stick. Oh well, back to collecting the ones that really matter, I'll leave the insane collectibles to the "nuthouse gang" and their friends. :HEADHURTS:

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226610)
Posted by Counterpunch on July 17th, 2007 @ 10:28am CDT

Maximal Primal wrote:Incidentally, I would rather invest my money into a BMW then a Botcon toy. Yeah I own 1 BMW, that's why my money is tight, but I live large down roDAYo drive.

So, you can afford a BMW, but not $150 for Transformers?

I’m calling bullshit. Flat out.

Maximal Primal wrote:Sorry counterpunch, HollyW00d, Lapse Of Reason, you guys are the haves and I'm in the Have Not category, you'll never see my point of view, even if it was beaten into you with a stick.

Run me down with your BMW, and then I’ll understand perfectly what it’s like to be a “Have Not”.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226644)
Posted by Maximal Primal on July 17th, 2007 @ 10:50am CDT

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:Incidentally, I would rather invest my money into a BMW then a Botcon toy. Yeah I own 1 BMW, that's why my money is tight, but I live large down roDAYo drive.

So, you can afford a BMW, but not $150 for Transformers?

I’m calling bullshit. Flat out.

ok, you make 65K a year starting out at Activision, and you buy a 2007 BMW 335 with a turbocharged 3-liter inline six, and pay for a Condo in Beverly Hills, then you come back and talk to me about Bullshit. I collect, because I love the hobby, not because I blow all my money on it. I want to have nice things and transformers too.

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:]Sorry counterpunch, HollyW00d, Lapse Of Reason, you guys are the haves and I'm in the Have Not category, you'll never see my point of view, even if it was beaten into you with a stick.

Run me down with your BMW, and then I’ll understand perfectly what it’s like to be a “Have Not”.

That can be arranged, what is your schedule like?

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226671)
Posted by HollyW00d on July 17th, 2007 @ 11:08am CDT

Maximal Primal wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:Incidentally, I would rather invest my money into a BMW then a Botcon toy. Yeah I own 1 BMW, that's why my money is tight, but I live large down roDAYo drive.

So, you can afford a BMW, but not $150 for Transformers?

I’m calling bullshit. Flat out.

ok, you make 65K a year starting out at Activision, and you buy a 2007 BMW 335 with a turbocharged 3-liter inline six, and pay for a Condo in Beverly Hills, then you come back and talk to me about Bullshit. I collect, because I love the hobby, not because I blow all my money on it. I want to have nice things and transformers too.

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:]Sorry counterpunch, HollyW00d, Lapse Of Reason, you guys are the haves and I'm in the Have Not category, you'll never see my point of view, even if it was beaten into you with a stick.

Run me down with your BMW, and then I’ll understand perfectly what it’s like to be a “Have Not”.

That can be arranged, what is your schedule like?

Ok, time for me to call bullshit.

1) If you live in California, 65k a year is like 35k a year in the midwest and 45k on the east coast. Not enough for any type of lavish lifestyle.

2) You would not be able to afford payments on a BMW like that and pay for a condo in Beverly Hills. In fact just slash the condo, 65k a year isn't enough to afford a box on Rodeo Drive. Unless you are leasing and have roommates, in which case you have been stretching the truth.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226675)
Posted by Counterpunch on July 17th, 2007 @ 11:11am CDT

Maximal Primal wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:Incidentally, I would rather invest my money into a BMW then a Botcon toy. Yeah I own 1 BMW, that's why my money is tight, but I live large down roDAYo drive.

So, you can afford a BMW, but not $150 for Transformers?

I’m calling bullshit. Flat out.

ok, you make 65K a year starting out at Activision, and you buy a 2007 BMW 335 with a turbocharged 3-liter inline six, and pay for a Condo in Beverly Hills, then you come back and talk to me about Bullshit. I collect, because I love the hobby, not because I blow all my money on it. I want to have nice things and transformers too.

1. Your Sig is too large. You'd think Activision could afford photoshop...
2. Pics, or it never happened.
3. 65k in Cali does not afford you a condo in the hills, a BMW, nor does it grant you the ability to "Live Large."

Maximal Primal wrote:Sorry counterpunch, HollyW00d, Lapse Of Reason, you guys are the haves and I'm in the Have Not category, you'll never see my point of view, even if it was beaten into you with a stick.

Attention all other "Have Nots", please check in here and report on the status of your BMW.

That is all.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226841)
Posted by Hanch Prime on July 17th, 2007 @ 12:35pm CDT

you guys do know your arguing over toys right? dude if you can't afford it, don't buy it. Life will go on. If you can afford to buy it, and you really want one, then sweet get yourself one. i personally don't think this figure is worth that price. I can afford it, I just don't want to buy it. I will save my money for a wal-mart Mp Starscream and a Takara Mp Skywarp. Its all about personal choice. If you need to, eat roman noodles for a while and save up and get it. (If you went collage, you know what I am talkn' about) If its gone by then, oh well get some thing else with your cash.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226862)
Posted by Maximal Primal on July 17th, 2007 @ 12:43pm CDT

HollyW00d wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:Incidentally, I would rather invest my money into a BMW then a Botcon toy. Yeah I own 1 BMW, that's why my money is tight, but I live large down roDAYo drive.

So, you can afford a BMW, but not $150 for Transformers?

I’m calling bullshit. Flat out.

ok, you make 65K a year starting out at Activision, and you buy a 2007 BMW 335 with a turbocharged 3-liter inline six, and pay for a Condo in Beverly Hills, then you come back and talk to me about Bullshit. I collect, because I love the hobby, not because I blow all my money on it. I want to have nice things and transformers too.

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:]Sorry counterpunch, HollyW00d, Lapse Of Reason, you guys are the haves and I'm in the Have Not category, you'll never see my point of view, even if it was beaten into you with a stick.

Run me down with your BMW, and then I’ll understand perfectly what it’s like to be a “Have Not”.

That can be arranged, what is your schedule like?

Ok, time for me to call bullshit.

1) If you live in California, 65k a year is like 35k a year in the midwest and 45k on the east coast. Not enough for any type of lavish lifestyle.

2) You would not be able to afford payments on a BMW like that and pay for a condo in Beverly Hills. In fact just slash the condo, 65k a year isn't enough to afford a box on Rodeo Drive. Unless you are leasing and have roommates, in which case you have been stretching the truth.

No my family owns it, and I have 2 roommates who pay rent as well as I do, and yeah pay scale out here is very different then anywhere else, but if you have good credit, and want to spend most of your money on a nice car, like so many military friends of mine, then it's certainly a reality. I love my car, and sometimes wish it were an Autobot in the Transformers mythos.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (226898)
Posted by JTKranix on July 17th, 2007 @ 1:00pm CDT

The BMW 3 series is the new Ford Mustang. They are fairly inexpensive and everyone has one.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227005)
Posted by Maximal Primal on July 17th, 2007 @ 1:57pm CDT

Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
Maximal Primal wrote:Incidentally, I would rather invest my money into a BMW then a Botcon toy. Yeah I own 1 BMW, that's why my money is tight, but I live large down roDAYo drive.

So, you can afford a BMW, but not $150 for Transformers?

I’m calling bullshit. Flat out.

ok, you make 65K a year starting out at Activision, and you buy a 2007 BMW 335 with a turbocharged 3-liter inline six, and pay for a Condo in Beverly Hills, then you come back and talk to me about Bullshit. I collect, because I love the hobby, not because I blow all my money on it. I want to have nice things and transformers too.

1. Your Sig is too large. You'd think Activision could afford photoshop...

Uh my sig is the right size, grasping at straws are we?

Counterpunch wrote:2. Pics, or it never happened.

Would you also like to see my Driver's license and registration along with the car title?

Counterpunch wrote:3. 65k in Cali does not afford you a condo in the hills, a BMW, nor does it grant you the ability to "Live Large."

It affords you if your parents own it, and you have 2 other roommates paying rent as well.

JTKranix wrote:The BMW 3 series is the new Ford Mustang. They are fairly inexpensive and everyone has one.

Yes they are very common, atleast here in Cali that is.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227051)
Posted by Counterpunch on July 17th, 2007 @ 2:22pm CDT

Maximal Primal wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
1. Your Sig is too large. You'd think Activision could afford photoshop...

Uh my sig is the right size, grasping at straws are we?

No.

You are wrong, I am right, that's all there is to it.

And for those who don't, here are the guidelines.

1. Your sig cannot be any larger than 300 x 500 pixels either horizontal or vertical. This does not mean you can have a 500 x 500 pixel sig.

2. Your sig cannot be larger than 40kb in file size. If you need help shrinking your sig, ask and someone will certainly offer to help.

Maximal Primal wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:2. Pics, or it never happened.

Would you also like to see my Driver's license and registration along with the car title?

Dude, whatever.

You're the one that posted this clearly photoshopped pic from your own Photoshop account and then took it down.

So how about that Alpha Trion, hunh people? Good stuff!

(That's back on topic, right?)

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227079)
Posted by JTKranix on July 17th, 2007 @ 2:35pm CDT

Man I was thinking it was the 335i convertable at least.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227088)
Posted by RodimusConvoy13 on July 17th, 2007 @ 2:45pm CDT

Ah.. this has been a fun thread to read :grin:

ah screw it.. I had a big long thing written, but, in the words of Arnold in Kindergarden Cop.. "stop whining!"

you got a BMW so you can't afford Botcon toys... yay.. you got a BMW..
I got the botcon toys cos I can't afford a BMW.. yay.. I got the botcon toys...

and counter punch.... you said basically what I wanted to say in your first post... and you know.. us balding guys need to stick together :grin:

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227092)
Posted by sparty2304 on July 17th, 2007 @ 2:49pm CDT

Well I am not balding...didnt go to botcon...dont own a BMW...and cant afford this set right now...I just dont fit in here at all...

I would however pay 150 for them if I could...This is one of those things you wont be able to find in 6 months. Its all supply and demand...

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227103)
Posted by HollyW00d on July 17th, 2007 @ 2:54pm CDT

I was not referring to being able to afford the BMW, which is a 3 series and inexpensive, but a condo in Beverly Hills and a Beamer. But as I see now, you were stretching the truth as I figured. Mommy and daddy pay for the car too?

And it looks like Ebay prices have stalled at around what they want for the sets over at the collector's club. So it more than likely will not go down from there, get them while you can before the club sells out and the Ebay prices jump again.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227173)
Posted by skywarp-2 on July 17th, 2007 @ 3:24pm CDT

Dude you should know better then to pick an argument with a bunch of middle aged balding men who collect toys. :grin:

Now me on the other hand, I have a great full head of hair.

As far as the Botcon stuff goes, counterpunch and the rest of the crew here on seibertron.com are extremely sensitive about it, so I would just leave well enough alone. I have had my share of rounds over this subject, and as far as I can tell, there is no judgment over who is in the end correct. It's just the way things are. Believe me, I would rather collect the ones I can find and afford then shell out half my weekly salary on a Botcon box set.

It's ok to have pride in the collection. i my self have the 1st run of Superman DC Direct 13 Inch action figure. It was released about 3 years ago, and is now selling for $500.00. I was very proud of it considering I bought it for like 50.00 from a comic shop. they are limited to 1500 world wide. there was a remold done later that is no where near as hard to get as that first one.

See: http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_041706b.htm
this is the hard to find one...

this is the reissue:

so you see, it's all about when you get it, and how fast you get it. Now in the case of reissues, its sometimes a better thing, but as far as exclusives go..

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227176)
Posted by Flashwave on July 17th, 2007 @ 3:28pm CDT

(Sorry Counterpunch, he's still yours to hunt, but I wanna take a few pot-shots at him too.)

hello. My name is Flashwave. And I have a confession. I don't have an income. Not yet capable of getting one.Yes I went to Botcon. I went and shared it with my dad, who helped with airfare and hotel. But souviner and such was saved for over teh year. I'm not a rich fan either.

Well it seems as with most things in this world driven by money and demand,

Yep, that's sorta how our economy works. duh!

that a simple fan who is not rich and extremely wealthy will have to pass on the Botcon exclusives.

Did you know that Ten Bucks a week from one botcn to the next is 520 bucks? Flight and hotel aside, We didn't spend that the entire weekend in Providence.

I am new to the whole system, and this is my first disappointment as a fan. I can't believe how expensive Botcon Merchandise is.

I'll give you that, since you aren't familliar wit Botcon prices. But it's hardly a dissapointment. You claim they could makeke these figures for less, but I don't think your taking into account the need to change molds.

For the price of just one of that set I could buy 4 older Transformers toys in MISB on ebay

By old, do you mean a year ago? cause anytihng later than RIDthat gets pricey. But could you get something this cool?

and be satisfied knowing their price would rise in years to come. But as for the Botcon stuff, they just look like repaints and slight remolds to me.

But so are a lot of Exclusive figures, even in other conventions. Be glad Hasbro even wants to offer these exclusives. Nothing says they have to.

If I really wanted I could buy an older one of some of the figures in loose on ebay and have a professional repaint them for less money then what I could if I bought the Botcon merchandise.

You could, but then it isn't the Botcon stuff and loses it's magic.

It's completely depressing to see what selective Capitalism versus mass consumerism can do when delegated to the transformers Brand.

Wait, wha? You make it sound like Archer and the Hasbro people are pirates, greedy little something-or-others, that they aren't.

Sorry guys, But I have to pass...But because those are just not a priority on my list.

So pass, we don't need this manual on how you hate this topic
Now if you'd have said these two things in the beginning, we wouldn't be here now.

IMO, anyone who pays that much for those repaints simply because of where they came from and such, are fools.

We don't Being from Botcon is a novelty, but these are nicce figures. The thought that hasbro actually tried to make something we wanted at all.

Supporting such an expensive and unrealistic exclusive Toyline such as that really makes me angry about collecting.

Then quit collecting. As I and several have just said, we're supporting it, because these are nice figures, that we wanted to own.

Between the expensive and over rated Botcon exclusives, the Elusive "sign over your college fund" Lucky Draw exclusives, the Scalpers who jack up the prices on ebay, bad ebay sellers who after payment recieved, never send the merchandise, greedy little comic shops, consignment hunters, and Mall dealer tables, this franchise has alot of greed and "issues" which make it very hard for a fan with little to no money to keep up, let alone stay interested without getting extremely frustrated!!

Botcon expensive, possibly. Not over rated. You don't Have to get the lucky draws. Not even in this country. Sure people jack up prices, it happens. We aren't gonna inselt them here. ANd those people that don't send items are esy to be found. If you take 5 minutes to read up on their record, you'll know whether or not to buy from them. I've not seen a comic shop sell much of anything, gredy or otherwise. Mine sold somer nice qual G1s for decent prices. Never met a dealer table in a mall, so I don't know what you mean. This franchise is NOT greedy. The fandom may be, but not the franchise. NAd FYI, I have an allowance, to spend on more than TFs. I'm having no problem keeping up. If you are, buy a golf cart.

SO either join the club and get the set at roughly $150.00 USD or be a non member and pay roughly $180.00 USD? What a freaking expensive set for 2 plastic toys who would have retailed for at the most $25.00 in stores!

Your contradicting yourself. If these figs sold in stores, one person would get them, or they would be sold en masse and we have no reason for them to be exclusives.

Defending them by saying they need this amount of money to continue to bring exclusives to the Botcon is simply not true,

let me see YOUR degree in that.

its a demand thing and as far as I can tell these Botcon repaints are in demand, production costs can't be so high that these figures should cost $60.00 each to produce or even with a profit gain of $20.00 they don't cost $40.00 to produce.

Maybe this will fit through your skull. They made what, 1400 Trions? That's abnout the same number of Vector Primes 1 walmart stores gets in a month. Maybe even less than a month. Multiply that by the several thousand Walmarts in the States, add all the OTHER stores selling Vector Prime in the States, and then you'll se ethat we're right and it does cost thst much. And I haven't even left our borders. There's still half of North America, and the rest of world to figure in.

Rule of thumb, the more you produce the cheaper the item becomes, and because they under produced, which still doesn't cost them that much to manufacture, I'm sure of it, they can charge extremely ludicrous amounts of money to purchase them?? WTF!!!

See previous

It's Insane!

So are yo, and most of the fandom, but at your level

Lets put this into perspective shall we, a MP-03 Star Scream from Takara retails on ebay on average at about $75.00 to $100.00,
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dl%20...%20category0%3D%3C%2Fa%3E%3F
while the Wal-mart "exclusive" repaint will retail somewhere around $50.00, which is more sought after then the Takara release, it's a masterpiece repaint and not some voyager class repaint???

Dim-Wit. That figure is being sold to Walmarts in 50 states. that's an average of 1000/2000 stores, in fifty states, for three months or more. Using a mold that's already been made.

I know I'm new and all to this fandom, but come on!! does anyone else think that these sets are just way too expensive?

Not to this lunacracy, we don't.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227262)
Posted by Liege Evilmus on July 17th, 2007 @ 4:13pm CDT

Maximal Primal wrote:Well it seems as with most things in this world driven by money and demand, that a simple fan who is not rich and extremely wealthy will have to pass on the Botcon exclusives. I am new to the whole system, and this is my first disappointment as a fan. I can't believe how expensive Botcon Merchandise is.

For the price of just one of that set I could buy 4 older Transformers toys in MISB on ebay and be satisfied knowing their price would rise in years to come. But as for the Botcon stuff, they just look like repaints and slight remolds to me.

If I really wanted I could buy an older one of some of the figures in loose on ebay and have a professional repaint them for less money then what I could if I bought the Botcon merchandise. It's completely depressing to see what selective Capitalism versus mass consumerism can do when delegated to the transformers Brand.

Sorry guys, But I have to pass, and not because I'm a new collector and all, and I still need to pick up my stuff from the Unicron Trilogy, or RID/Car Robots/Movie toys, ect.
But because those are just not a priority on my list. IMO, anyone who pays that much for those repaints simply because of where they came from and such, are fools. Supporting such an expensive and unrealistic exclusive Toyline such as that really makes me angry about collecting.

Between the expensive and over rated Botcon exclusives, the Elusive "sign over your college fund" Lucky Draw exclusives, the Scalpers who jack up the prices on ebay, bad ebay sellers who after payment recieved, never send the merchandise, greedy little comic shops, consignment hunters, and Mall dealer tables, this franchise has alot of greed and "issues" which make it very hard for a fan with little to no money to keep up, let alone stay interested without getting extremely frustrated!!

SO either join the club and get the set at roughly $150.00 USD or be a non member and pay roughly $180.00 USD? What a freaking expensive set for 2 plastic toys who would have retailed for at the most $25.00 in stores!

Defending them by saying they need this amount of money to continue to bring exclusives to the Botcon is simply not true, its a demand thing and as far as I can tell these Botcon repaints are in demand, production costs can't be so high that these figures should cost $60.00 each to produce or even with a profit gain of $20.00 they don't cost $40.00 to produce.

Rule of thumb, the more you produce the cheaper the item becomes, and because they under produced, which still doesn't cost them that much to manufacture, I'm sure of it, they can charge extremely ludicrous amounts of money to purchase them?? WTF!!!

It's Insane!

Lets put this into perspective shall we, a MP-03 Star Scream from Takara retails on ebay on average at about $75.00 to $100.00,
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dl%20...%20category0%3D%3C%2Fa%3E%3F
while the Wal-mart "exclusive" repaint will retail somewhere around $50.00, which is more sought after then the Takara release, it's a masterpiece repaint and not some voyager class repaint???

I know I'm new and all to this fandom, but come on!! does anyone else think that these sets are just way too expensive?

Very, Very Well Said!

I bet if BotCon, and the TF Club, would cut their prices on exclusives more people would join.

I know I would, but deluxe figures ranging upwards of $60 is just to much for me, and believe me, I have shelled out plenty of times for TFs into the hundreds.

But still, a limited slightly altered version of something I can find on clearance isn't enough to get me reaching for my wallet. Maybe if they started a figure from scratch, I could see it being worth the while, but for now I would rather just take my chances with imports and retail and keep my roof over my head.

Then again, to each their own...

Oh and welcome aboard!

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227289)
Posted by Maximal Primal on July 17th, 2007 @ 4:30pm CDT

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Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227318)
Posted by skywarp-2 on July 17th, 2007 @ 4:47pm CDT

I will say one thing though, in respect to defending the "insanity" plea over the Botcon exclusives... for the Botcon Box set it went on ebay and sold for like 600.00 plus, during the Botcon. My Superman figure took 3 Years to appreciate to 500.00 and its a widely known property, even more so then transformers. The production rate was similar, so there is a certain amount of insanity that comes to those who purchase those exclusive sets.

As for me, well I'm an owner of a small title insurance closing company in Virginia, I proudly drive a 2002 Dodge Neon, and make around 50K a year. I have 2 children and pay through the nose for child support. So I have to also pay rent to my girlfriend to help out with her bills, so it leaves me very little spending money to afford exclusives.

Plus I also collect DC comics & figures, and have very little display and storage, so for me, I will buy Masterpieces and rare runs that I can find at bargain prices. That's also a reason why I can't ever make it to the Botcons is because I have to concentrate on my fledgling company. I doubt I will ever get a vacation... :sad:

Anyways, If I was richer I would definitely buy a Beamer and not figures, but for now I collect what I like and thats that. But I won't be buying those Botocn sets anytime soon, I don't see the point.

But as the man said, to each his own.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227347)
Posted by Basketball Jones on July 17th, 2007 @ 5:03pm CDT

It seems he has provided adequate evidence as to his vehicle.

While, in theory, he could have taken any picture of a BMW from the Internet and posted it as his own, I really doubt he would go to such lengths.

Yes, Botcon exclusives are overpriced. Don't buy them.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227366)
Posted by Maldroth on July 17th, 2007 @ 5:13pm CDT

Okay I think some folks have some things confused about the cost of the Botcon stuff when its released and then when its resold.

When the set was announced we knew what it was going to be and the price was $279. Expensive yes but that was what the club could sell the set at to cover the high costs and make a profit as well. They also made the most this year compared to any other year. Previous years they never sold out so they weren't sure they would ever. Biggest reason they don't make a large run is they can't afford to sit on the sets if they don't sell. There was no conspiracy to drive up demand or price they just didn't expect this set to be as popular as it was among adult collectors.

In 2005 the souvie sets were a LE of 400, now compare that to 2007 we had 1400. That means everyone that wanted a set that attended the con could get one. I just wish they could have taken the remainder and sold them though the club to make sure the club was getting the money instead of a scalper ending up with a dozen and selling them at the much higher price that people are willing to pay on ebay.

Better the club does the more we get and we are seeing larger runs because more folks are looking at Botcon and the club.

I can't afford much either but I save where I can to buy the figures I want rather than stalking some internet forum and whining about it. I got the Astrotrain the club made because I like the figure. Bought Airrazor because I liked the figure. I bought the Iacon package because I know I wanted those figures and didn't want to pay more later after the con.

2007 was an oddity for the sell out and it was due to a popular toyline among collectors getting some repaints that weren't going to be released by Hasbro.

I bet you anything Hasbro saw the club sell out the Botcon sets a month before the con and realized that the Classics line really is popular among adult collectors. That is why we are seeing the line return in 2008 with some new designs.

I'm happy with Botcon and the Club bringing new figures each year. I just wish the members could add more to the club and the site since well its ours.

Aside from all of that you just have to remember they are just fucking toys.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227385)
Posted by Lapse Of Reason on July 17th, 2007 @ 5:20pm CDT

Maximal Primal wrote:
Lapse Of Reason wrote:Thank you, Counterpunch. You took the time to write exactly what I wanted to write.

Suck up. Do not fear that which is mortal and in the end fallable.it's like befriending a pitbull, he may be nice to you for a time, but eventually he can and will turn on you. From what I've seen on these threads. "Not nice, good"

You call me a suck-up for merely agreeing with someone who did not agree with you? For shame. Debate can be fun, but you lose when you resort to name calling to defend yourself. That is just one step above :sad:

.

Please don't presume to judge me. You don't know me well enought to do that.

Counterpunch is a good guy and we tend to be like-minded on many issues. I even met him ever so briefly at Botcon this year. Besides that, he writes entertaining posts. He is having fun with you, that's all. That being said, I feel no need to suck up to him or anyone here.

As you probably have seen by now, you have stepped into a sensitive issue - one that was going on for months before you joined this site. Your ignorance may be excusable, but a poor attitude here is not. This is generally a friendly forum, although b.s. is not usually tolerated. Hence the flaming responses you have received - most of which I still agree with.

As for your response to me, I don't fear mere mortals. According to Seibertron.com, I am a Godmaster. I shoot fireballs out of my eyes and lighting bolts out of my arse just to see mere mortals run for cover.

I don't have a pit bull, but all the ones I have met have been very sweet. I do have a goofy German Shepard and a deranged Maltese. Do they count?

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227411)
Posted by Gasper on July 17th, 2007 @ 5:39pm CDT

Meh. I'd rather have the SPringer and Huffer set.

But then, I'd forego (spelling?) every Botcon exlusive for a chance at a decent priced Ironhide and Ratchet.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227451)
Posted by Lapse Of Reason on July 17th, 2007 @ 6:17pm CDT

Gasper wrote:Meh. I'd rather have the SPringer and Huffer set.

But then, I'd forego (spelling?) every Botcon exlusive for a chance at a decent priced Ironhide and Ratchet.

I, too, would like a 2005 Botcon Ratchet. I have Ironhide, and here is a way for you to get one for almost free, although it takes some initial investment.

Join the club. Then buy a boxed Descent Into Evil set plus a loose set ($279 + $179). Once you get them, keep the Ironhide from the boxed set. Sell everything else individually,includng the box. You should be able to get at least:
$175 for the other Ironhide (x 1)
$75 each for Deathsaurus (x2)
$40 each for Chromia (x 2)
$25 for Fallback and the black airplane (named ???) (x 2 of each, so 4 altogether)
$20 each for the two insecticon guys
$35 for the box (1)

That adds up to $580.00 and those were conservative selling prices. Of course eBay fees will chip away at that, but you can make up for that with a handling charge to cover auction fees. The key thing here is to list them seperately to improve your margin.

Now $580 less the amount you paid (not including tax and shipping) still leaves you with $122 to cover the club membership and something nice for your girlfriend/wife/etc...

You see, most people can buy Botcon sets if they just shop (and sell) smarter. I paid for my Botcon trip this year by selling off extra figs. You can do it too.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227718)
Posted by Counterpunch on July 17th, 2007 @ 8:23pm CDT

skywarp-2 wrote:As far as the Botcon stuff goes, counterpunch and the rest of the crew here on seibertron.com are extremely sensitive about it, so I would just leave well enough alone.

Just for reference, this is a recent picture of CP and the rest of the Seibertron crew, enjoy!

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227730)
Posted by waaaaghlord on July 17th, 2007 @ 8:31pm CDT

Counterpunch this is the second time this week that I'm making one of these posts in response to your wit, but that just made my day.

Back on topic, since FunPub order the exclusives straight from Takara rather than going through Hasbro does A3 get the plastic pieces of the GF Vector Prime or the hard rubber of the Cybertron version? Mine still hasn't arrived.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (227859)
Posted by Counterpunch on July 17th, 2007 @ 9:46pm CDT

waaaaghlord wrote:Counterpunch this is the second time this week that I'm making one of these posts in response to your wit, but that just made my day.

Back on topic, since FunPub order the exclusives straight from Takara rather than going through Hasbro does A3 get the plastic pieces of the GF Vector Prime or the hard rubber of the Cybertron version? Mine still hasn't arrived.

The sword is a similar material to the Hasbro versions.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (228163)
Posted by Lapse Of Reason on July 18th, 2007 @ 12:00am CDT

Counterpunch wrote:
waaaaghlord wrote:Counterpunch this is the second time this week that I'm making one of these posts in response to your wit, but that just made my day.

Back on topic, since FunPub order the exclusives straight from Takara rather than going through Hasbro does A3 get the plastic pieces of the GF Vector Prime or the hard rubber of the Cybertron version? Mine still hasn't arrived.

The sword is a similar material to the Hasbro versions.

... and so are the wings.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (228208)
Posted by OptimusIsHot on July 18th, 2007 @ 12:21am CDT

Crap did they already sell out?

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (228228)
Posted by Bonger on July 18th, 2007 @ 12:29am CDT

Hmm, so jumping back into this one night later. You're whining about 150 bucks because you are living out of your means? Tough shit imo.

I make more than you and live in a cheaper area. I'm not about to lease a BMW and live in the middle of Boston. I have colleagues who do, and they are broke and paycheck to paycheck.

And to be honest, to each his own. Obviously your lifestyle makes you happy and thats awesome. However, if just a car and a shared apartment are forcing you to have to think twice over 150, might be time to reconsider.

150 bucks?? Thats less than a half decent night out going dutch.

Re: Alpha Trion, Weirdwolf, and Vector Sigma Set in Stock at TFClub Store (228264)
Posted by Lapse Of Reason on July 18th, 2007 @ 12:44am CDT

OptimusIsHot wrote:Crap did they already sell out?

It looks like it. They are now listed as 'Out of Stock' and they were a seriously limited item.

There is always eBay, but don't delay. Alpha Trion is awesome and Weirdwolf has grown on me. I'm sure the eBay prices will rise so best to get it now rather than wait. The prices won't be going down, that's for sure.

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