AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More

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Seibertron.com member robotmel provided us with some exciting Age Of Extinction toy news, late last week, and now we have pictures of the Grimlock set courtesy of this Facebook post from Transformers Dioramas. And that's not all! Thanks to Seibertron.com member Primeultimus's discovery, we now have confirmation that there is an Optimus set, as well.

Toys R Us will be carrying a line of exclusives called the Evolution 2-Pack, which features an AoE figure (either Deluxe Class or Voyager Class) paired with an older generation figure, redecoed to match their original G1 counterparts.

As of now, the only images available are those of the Grimlock set. This set features AoE Voyager Class Grimlock paired with Energon Grimlock, redecoed in G1 colors!

We will update with the product images as soon as they become available.
robotmel provided the names of the upcoming sets for the upcoming 2-Packs. Keep these names handy for when you go hunting on May 17th!

robotmel wrote:Whilst browsing at my local Toys R Us, I asked an assistant to check their system for an item to see if stock was available.

Browsing down their lists of Transformers figures I spotted listings for upcoming items from what I believe to be part of the immenent Age of Extinction line with a twist.

Transformers Grimlock - Then and Now
Transformers Dinobot Slug - Then and Now
Transformers Strafe - Then and Now
Transformers Bumblebee - Then and Now

The Toys R Us assistant confirmed there are prices against each one but wasn't allowed to quote the prices as they where subject to changes, but confirmed the Grimlock Then and Now was considerably more than the other three.

It should be noted that the official packaging images state Evolution 2-Pack. "Then and Now" may just be an internal TRU naming system.

Primeultimus uncovered the previously unmentioned Optimus set.

Primeultimus wrote:Future Duo Evolution sets feature

TRA BUMBLEBEE A7726
TRA GRIMLOCK A7742
TRA OPTIMUS PRIME A7745
TRA STRAFE / SWOOP A7754
TRA SLAG / SLUG A7755

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Credit(s): robotmel, Transformers Dioramas, Primeultimus

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Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555329)
Posted by Genocide G2.0 on March 5th, 2014 @ 4:56pm CST

Any ideas on this , Legit ?? Fan made ?? ...

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555330)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:03pm CST

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555331)
Posted by Manterax Prime on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:06pm CST

Strafe and Swoop? Grimlock 2 pack?

Hello G1 Energon Mega Dinobot

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555332)
Posted by Midnight_Fox on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:08pm CST

Interesting mold choice for the "1984" Grimlock.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555333)
Posted by Bouncy X on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:08pm CST

thats neat, too bad the G1 version looks like complete and utter crap. why not include the actual G1 toy or at least the Cybertron game version?

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555334)
Posted by Manterax Prime on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:13pm CST

Bouncy X wrote:thats neat, too bad the G1 version looks like complete and utter crap. why not include the actual G1 toy or at least the Cybertron game version?

What's wrong with G1/Energon one? I'd rather have that one over the original G1 toy.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555335)
Posted by Bouncy X on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:15pm CST

Manterax Prime wrote:
Bouncy X wrote:thats neat, too bad the G1 version looks like complete and utter crap. why not include the actual G1 toy or at least the Cybertron game version?

What's wrong with G1/Energon one? I'd rather have that one over the original G1 toy.

i just think it looks terrible and cheap, like it was the "kiddie" version or something.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555336)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:17pm CST

It's legit

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555337)
Posted by Manterax Prime on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:19pm CST

Bouncy X wrote:
Manterax Prime wrote:
Bouncy X wrote:thats neat, too bad the G1 version looks like complete and utter crap. why not include the actual G1 toy or at least the Cybertron game version?

What's wrong with G1/Energon one? I'd rather have that one over the original G1 toy.

i just think it looks terrible and cheap, like it was the "kiddie" version or something.

Oh, yeah, cuz these totally aren't for kids! :lol:

Go take refresher course. You need it.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555338)
Posted by Bouncy X on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:25pm CST

Manterax Prime wrote:
Bouncy X wrote:
Manterax Prime wrote:
Bouncy X wrote:thats neat, too bad the G1 version looks like complete and utter crap. why not include the actual G1 toy or at least the Cybertron game version?

What's wrong with G1/Energon one? I'd rather have that one over the original G1 toy.

i just think it looks terrible and cheap, like it was the "kiddie" version or something.

Oh, yeah, cuz these totally aren't for kids!

Go take refresher course. You need it.

okay so it seems your little brain couldn't grasp what i meant by "kiddie" (even the quote marks were apparently not enough) .....it looks cheap and uncomplicated, like its made for little kids. the same way the rescue bots toys look or stuff like the bot shot toys. and sitting next to the movie toy, it makes it look even worse. and that toy doesn't look too good to begin with either.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555339)
Posted by Primeultimus on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:27pm CST

As always I reserve judgement until I see in person. As I do not own a Energon Grimlock and this is my first time seeing it it looks alright. Cool pack better then none I suppose. The G1 Grimlock would of been sweet though instead.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555340)
Posted by TGDweezl on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:29pm CST

I wonder what the price is going to be for it.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555341)
Posted by Counterpunch on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:30pm CST

Not the best choice for an old-school Grimlock... >:oP

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555342)
Posted by Genocide G2.0 on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:31pm CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It's legit

Thanks .

My laptop must be running slow or something i just checked the front page again and its up there now , i was unsure about it being legit as it hadn't been front paged .

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555343)
Posted by Manterax Prime on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:33pm CST

Bouncy X wrote:okay so it seems your little brain couldn't grasp what i meant by "kiddie" (even the quote marks were apparently not enough) .....it looks cheap and uncomplicated, like its made for little kids. the same way the rescue bots toys look or stuff like the bot shot toys. and sitting next to the movie toy, it makes it look even worse. and that toy doesn't look too good to begin with either.

So, this toy is apparently "uncomplicated" when the G1 toy is less complicated than it, and you say the G1 toy is worlds better and I'm the one with the small brain?

Whatever you say guy. It's your dream.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555344)
Posted by Mudwire on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:37pm CST

Hm. Not really digging the G1 Grimlock there. This version of the AoE Grimlock, however, actually looks pretty solid, especially compared to the bigger AoE Grimlock. I feel that the same kinda thing was going on with the voyager and... larger Predaking figures, how the one in the smaller size was better.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555345)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:40pm CST

Just to prepare you folks for what may come, here's Energon Swoop, for the Strafe/Swoop 2-pack:

Dino Mode

Robot Mode

And he combines with Grimlock into this beast:

Mega-Dinobot (seriously, that's his name)

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555346)
Posted by Dagon on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:44pm CST

I am super, super happy about this. I know I'll be one of the few who say this, but I loved -- LOVED -- the Energon Dinobots, and I had to sell them and it really killed me.
I am unbelievably happy that this set is coming out, and hope like crazy the Swoop set will have Energon Swoop.

You can all let them shelfwarm. That means I'll definately get a set. :lol:

Curious about the Slag; not too happy about the figures that come to mind like the Animated one or that Japanese Beast Wars one.

I know it's "Slug" these days, spare me the pointless correction post.

*EDIT: Yes JelZe, spread the hate. Ensure that I get these figures. Yes.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555347)
Posted by Aceoftherebellion on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:45pm CST

Manterax Prime wrote:
So, this toy is apparently "uncomplicated" when the G1 toy is less complicated than it, and you say the G1 toy is worlds better and I'm the one with the small brain?

Whatever you say guy. It's your dream.

The Energon line had some excellent figures, but this was not one of them. A poorly proportioned floppy mess further hampered by a poorly executed combiner gimmick that this set will be lacking due to the non-inclusion of the original release's partner figure, rendering an already poor quality toy's main gimmick nerfed.

Bouncy X was probably just talking about the figure's questionable proportion/aesthetics, but even without that it's by all accounters one of the crappier grimlock toys that's been released, and definitely not an exciting one to see paired with movie grimlock when there are vastly superior options (See- FoC Grimlock).

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555349)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 5th, 2014 @ 5:51pm CST

Manterax Prime wrote:
Bouncy X wrote:thats neat, too bad the G1 version looks like complete and utter crap. why not include the actual G1 toy or at least the Cybertron game version?

What's wrong with G1/Energon one? I'd rather have that one over the original G1 toy.

It's a lousy figure with a poor design. It was engineered without Takara's help, just like the Star Wars and Marvel Crossovers Transformers toys. It's simply not that well made a figure, and this has nothing to do with simplicity or kid-friendliness, since the whole Energon line itself was simple and kid-friendly but still mostly good overall.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555352)
Posted by Blurrz on March 5th, 2014 @ 6:02pm CST

Poop.

Poop in a box.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555356)
Posted by Manterax Prime on March 5th, 2014 @ 6:24pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
Manterax Prime wrote:
Bouncy X wrote:thats neat, too bad the G1 version looks like complete and utter crap. why not include the actual G1 toy or at least the Cybertron game version?

What's wrong with G1/Energon one? I'd rather have that one over the original G1 toy.
It's a lousy figure with a poor design. It was engineered without Takara's help, just like the Star Wars and Marvel Crossovers Transformers toys. It's simply not that well made a figure, and this has nothing to do with simplicity or kid-friendliness, since the whole Energon line itself was simple and kid-friendly but still mostly good overall.

So you would deny the fact that's it's the closest to G1 Grimlock w/o being a Masterpiece figure?

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555357)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 5th, 2014 @ 6:32pm CST

Manterax Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Manterax Prime wrote:
Bouncy X wrote:thats neat, too bad the G1 version looks like complete and utter crap. why not include the actual G1 toy or at least the Cybertron game version?

What's wrong with G1/Energon one? I'd rather have that one over the original G1 toy.
It's a lousy figure with a poor design. It was engineered without Takara's help, just like the Star Wars and Marvel Crossovers Transformers toys. It's simply not that well made a figure, and this has nothing to do with simplicity or kid-friendliness, since the whole Energon line itself was simple and kid-friendly but still mostly good overall.

So you would deny the fact that's it's the closest to G1 Grimlock w/o being a Masterpiece figure?

I understand that it's probably the best choice they had to work with in regards to homaging G1 Grimlock, but this is one of those cases where the G1 homage isn't the subject here. For it is the quality of the figure itself, not its G1 accuracy, that's being ridiculed.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555358)
Posted by durroth on March 5th, 2014 @ 6:32pm CST

I think the main problem is there are, in alot of peoples opinions, better figures that could have been chosen for this. Though I'll admit I wouldn't mind if grimlock can still combine with swoop, because I would find that a bit amusing, not gonna lie. Personally what worries me more is the very real possibility that Slag is a redeco of Animated Snarl. Not that there's anything WRONG with dinobot and beast wars ironhide's illegitimate lovechild, but it doesn't quite fit as a representation of the g1 character, in my own opinion. Though now I'm tempted to get one and recolor him as beast wars ironhide after he realized combining with prowl was terrible and got a non-combiner alt mode.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555361)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on March 5th, 2014 @ 6:45pm CST

Were the G1 molds not available?

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555362)
Posted by Cyber Bishop on March 5th, 2014 @ 6:47pm CST

I have Energon Grimlock and I can say.. Poop. Not the best choice IMHO however it is good for those that do not have him and want to add him to their collections.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555363)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 5th, 2014 @ 6:52pm CST

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Were the G1 molds not available?

The G1 Dinobots, Shockwave, Wheeljack, and Sunstreaker molds have all been unavailable for years, having never been rereleased and believed to be either lost or destroyed.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555366)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on March 5th, 2014 @ 6:57pm CST

Back in early 2005, I hesitated and missed my only chance to buy Energon Grimlock and Swoop at retail, then kicked myself over it for years because I couldn't justify paying secondary market prices for it. So assuming Energon Swoop gets Evolutioned (-ified?) as well, I'm actually very happy to finally get to own the first stab at a combining Dinobot toy in better colors.

And I think we also need a reminder that Mega Dinobot looked slightly better back in the day compared to the first official fictional stab at a Dinobot gestalt, around the same time:

And yeah, rumor has that the ol' Diaclone Dinobot molds are lost/unusable. You wanna' shiny, new, "real" evolution pack that goes back to the beginning, you'll have to ask yourself if those exact-repro knock-offs really do strike you as more hideous in principle than the actual appearance of those Energon molds and the above pic, nice and official though they are.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555367)
Posted by RAcast on March 5th, 2014 @ 7:01pm CST

Well I'll be! I never thought that set of molds would ever see light of day again! Maybe I'll pick 'em up if I see them.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555368)
Posted by Mindmaster on March 5th, 2014 @ 7:04pm CST

IMO, they should've run with Classics Grimlock. Heck, Generations: Fall of Cybertron Grimlock probably would've been fine, just give him a slightly more Generation One-ish deco.

No doubt in my mind what they're going to use for the Swoop/Strafe set. Same goes for Bumblebee.

If the Optimus set uses the Classics Voyager, I'm going to build a time machine, go back in time to about eight months ago, and stop myself from buying the same figure for fifty bucks. I could hit two birds with one stone with this set, if each set costs as much as the Classics Optimus I got.

I'm curious as to what they plan to use for the Slag/Slug set. Surely not Animated? :-?

But in general, this "Evolution" mini-line... Starscream (and maybe Megatron) or bust.

Swear to God, Sabrblade, if you or anyone else says what I know you're about to say, I'mma hunt you down and hit you upside the head.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555370)
Posted by Grimlock64 on March 5th, 2014 @ 7:10pm CST

Eesh, actually owning this figure, I dunno if it was a good choice. It's the only Grimlock I've ever regretted owning. I guess Classics Grimlock, while not perfect but still good IMO, wasn't what they were looking for? XD

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555371)
Posted by SG Roadbuster on March 5th, 2014 @ 7:15pm CST

I own Energon Grimlock. he's kinda terrible. why not use the Classics deluxe?

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555372)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 5th, 2014 @ 7:15pm CST

Mindmaster wrote:Swear to God, Sabrblade, if you or anyone else says what I know you're about to say, I'mma hunt you down and hit you upside the head.

Frankly, I can't tell what you know I'm going to say. :oops:

Though, "I'mma" ain't in the dictionary.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555376)
Posted by Mindmaster on March 5th, 2014 @ 7:21pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:Though, "I'mma" ain't in the dictionary.[/size]

Dammit, I've been had. #-o

I really need to fool-proof my disclaimers before posting.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555377)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 5th, 2014 @ 7:24pm CST

SG Roadbuster wrote:I own Energon Grimlock. he's kinda terrible. why not use the Classics deluxe?

I guess they wanted one that homaged G1 Grimlock better since Classics Grimlock deviates quite a bit from the iconic Grimlock transformation and look.

The options to from were probably Energon, Classics, Animated, Masterpiece (but I doubt it), and Generations Fall of Cybertron. and of those options, they probably wanted a Deluxe, reducing them to just Energon and Classics. And between those two, Energon Grimlock is closer to G1 Grimlock than the Classics toy is, which is a shame since, despite the stronger homage, Energon Grimlock isn't that good a figure.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555379)
Posted by ausbot on March 5th, 2014 @ 7:25pm CST

Energon Swoop in G1 colors, yes please.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555380)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 5th, 2014 @ 7:26pm CST

Mindmaster wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Though, "I'mma" ain't in the dictionary.[/size]

Dammit, I've been had. I really need to fool-proof my disclaimers before posting.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555382)
Posted by TK415 on March 5th, 2014 @ 7:31pm CST

Bumblevivisector wrote:Back in early 2005, I hesitated and missed my only chance to buy this at retail, then kicked myself over it for years because I couldn't justify paying secondary market prices for it. So assuming Energon Swoop gets Evolutioned (-ified?) as well, I'm actually very happy to finally get to own the first stab at a combining Dinobot toy in better colors.

And I think we also need a reminder that Mega Dinobot looked slightly better back in the day compared to the first official fictional stab at a Dinobot gestalt:

And yeah, rumor has that the ol' Diaclone Dinobot molds are lost/unusable. You wanna' shiny, new, "real" evolution pack that goes back to the beginning, you'll have to ask yourself if those exact-repro knock-offs really do strike you as more hideous in principle than the actual appearance of those Energon molds and the above pic, nice and official though they are.

What comic was this in?
Thanks in advance.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555383)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 5th, 2014 @ 7:33pm CST

TK415 wrote:What comic was this in?
Thanks in advance.

"The Beast Within" and "The Beast Within Part 2, Consequences"

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555395)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on March 5th, 2014 @ 8:11pm CST

Look at it, energon grimlocks literally comming appart in package. Knowing how fickle the figure is id be shocked to see one in the stores that hasn't reduced to a scramble of parts.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555397)
Posted by PrymeStriker on March 5th, 2014 @ 8:34pm CST

That Grimlock is the most hilarious thing I've seen all day.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555400)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on March 5th, 2014 @ 9:20pm CST

Man, talk about nostalgia. I was like...12-ish when Energon Grimmy came out. I still have it, though I took his head for my custom Soundwave. He was cool back then...these days, he's pretty derpy.

So, speculation time;
Bumblebee will be Classics and AoE
Optimus will be the deluxe classics
I'm willing to bet Swoop will be the other Energon Dinobot
As for Slag, I've got nothing.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555403)
Posted by Mindmaster on March 5th, 2014 @ 9:35pm CST

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Bumblebee will be Classics and AoE

Either this or Generations.

Optimus will be the deluxe classics

I'd be surprised if it was the Deluxe.

I'm willing to bet Swoop will be the other Energon Dinobot

Agreed.

As for Slag, I've got nothing.

Yeah, Slag seems to be the one that's got everyone baffled. :???:

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555404)
Posted by #Sideways# on March 5th, 2014 @ 9:37pm CST

Grimlock: Teapot version!

I mean... I love the idea, but it's just really... Well, it's not really well pulled off with this figure in particular.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555405)
Posted by highburn on March 5th, 2014 @ 9:43pm CST

Slag will be packed with Grimstone without his drones ...just so we can all beat our heads into a wall and scream. :sad:

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555406)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on March 5th, 2014 @ 9:48pm CST

Nemesis Maximo wrote:So, speculation time;
Bumblebee will be Classics and AoE
Optimus will be the deluxe classics
I'm willing to bet Swoop will be the other Energon Dinobot
As for Slag, I've got nothing.

For Slug's sordid past, I'll guess they dust off the Guiledart mold yet again. None of its past uses ever had "Slag" on the package, but his deco got more G1-ish each time he was rereleased as Triceradon, so they can pretend it's been Slagged before.

Features Corpsemaster dino mode, and Puppetmaster robot mode!

Now that I think about it, they'll never have a better excuse to repaint as many Beast Wars Neo molds as are still usable than this upcomimg movie. I wants me a stateside Killer Punch, and an Archeopteryx with some dramatically different plumage, dangit!

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555407)
Posted by highburn on March 5th, 2014 @ 9:51pm CST

Btw does any one else think Energon Grimlock looks like he is laughing at Aoe Grimlock? It's like yeah my toy sucks why do you have horns? :-B

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555408)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on March 5th, 2014 @ 9:56pm CST

Say what you want about the actual figures, but I'll tell you what, at least the art for the G1 Grimlock looks like its mouth can actually close shut.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555409)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on March 5th, 2014 @ 9:59pm CST

Oh, man, this two pack. I have Energon Grimmy and he's just terrible. Easily the worst Grimlock mould ever. I guess that wanted to have another Dino in Swoop, but still. Neither is very good.

Re: AoE Evolution 2-Packs Coming, Featuring Grimlock And More (1555412)
Posted by Autobot032 on March 5th, 2014 @ 10:12pm CST

Folks, you're welcome to continue chatting about this, in fact we encourage it, but there's an existing thread, so I'm going to merge these two. And Autobot Genocide, thank you for trying to bring this to our attention. We appreciate any and all news submissions. Even if they're already in use, we still appreciate the participation. Thank you.