Bay Eager to Start Transformers 2

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One of the writers for Transformers hinted that what happened to Barricade was "robots in disguise"....so theres your hint.

Two theories here........

1. Barricade saved his own ass by hiding and maybe taking a different vehicle mode.

2. Barricade is an autobot spy who had to keep up the appearance for 90% of the movie to convince the decepticons and Frenzy mostly... Maybe Prowl??? Makes sense, Prime said a new discovery lead them to Earth..... and a spy would be a perfect way to find out where the decepticons were headed.

Well they got their CG characters all done except for whoever they are putting into the next one. You never know... they could already have some of them fully 3D modeled already.

I was hoping that they would get some one else to direct this one so we can see who does a better job. I swear if all the Decepticons have no screen time and all get killed within 10 minutes im done with the movies. This time around LISTEN TO US FANS!

Megatron_Wolf wrote:LISTEN TO US FANS!

That would be the worst possible thing that could be done. The fans themselves cant come to a consensus on what to put in the movie. No fan involvement is the best involvment.

Yes GOD YES more transformes goodness!!!!

Megatron_Wolf wrote:I was hoping that they would get some one else to direct this one so we can see who does a better job.

How many different directors should be given a chance then? Should they have a different director for every movie just to make sure who would make the best one? I don't think it's feasible to do something like this, especially since "better" is a subjective term.

I loved the first movie, but I have concerns over sequels, how are they going to top that?

But, I will have faith... unlike this time, where i thought it was going to blow and blow hard, and I was wrong.

He made a believer out of me. BRING IT ON.

here's hoping for my main Con Shockwave to make his big screen debut.

im hoping they begin to go darker like with the harry potter series

Groan...

What NOT to have in 2 (in random order):
- one-dimensional characters (both human and Transformer). The Autobots are NOT heroes from space who go from planet to planet saving people. The Decepticons are NOT evil metal bugs from outer space who want to blow up the Earth.
- shaky-cam (then again, it is a Michael Bay movie), you know, in case the audience WANTS to see fight scenes without having to rely on slow-motion.
- product placement. We get it, hip young people eat at Burger King...
- steretyping. Then again, most Michael Bay flicks DO have chicks who wait at home and cry, or black people acting/speaking like gangstuhs or people in foreign countries relying on the America to save them.
- American patriotism (then again, it is a Michael Bay movie). Cybertronian patriotism, maybe.
- stupid humour. This isn't some teen comedy. Robots peeing and masturbation jokes don't really belong here (though 'Sam's Happy Time' was pretty funny).

What TO have in 2 (in random order):
- character development beyond 'This is [name] and he's our [function].'
- a female lead who can act.
- emotions beyond a chick crying in a tow truck or 'Jazz is dead. Ah, that's too bad.'
- a better score. The music wasn't nearly epic enough. In fact, it was forgettable. I'd love to hear what John Williams could do for the Transformers!
- a better script. Hire Bob Forward. Don't ask who he is. Just hire him and let him write something epic. Larry Ditilio can help, too, if he wants.

I wanna see Earth get toasted in the sequel.

i don't know what i want in TF2, but sure as heck i know what i want in TF3... Unicron and Galvatron!!!

They will never hire the guy who wrote Beast Wars to write this movie.

fabiobasile wrote:i don't know what i want in TF2, but sure as heck i know what i want in TF3... Unicron and Galvatron!!!

enough with unicron. we know he'll probly eventually get in one of the sequels, but hes not needed. its been used so much that its time to move on with something new. if they really want a huge bad guy or sumthing, then make up somebody new!

one thing i know, is that there will probaly not be any Dinobots... I say this because they have a bunch of cars fighting the WTF a dinosaur comes out of no where!!!!! Lol it just wouldnt make sense... Also in TF2 i hpe we see Scorponok transform out of his ALT-mode

Delta82 wrote:Also in TF2 i hpe we see Scorponok transform out of his ALT-mode

If its anything like his toy, I hope not

yeah, but knowing how they made the other TFs look different(Ratchet for example) then he'd probaly look pretty sweet.

it would be nice to see him transform..buuut it would have to be in a human like robot like all the others..but i doubt that will happen. i see it as if he's in the movie, then he'll get killed off easily and pretty quickly.

Yeah, he got owned when we last saw him , then he dissapeared... So he is either dead, or hes killing people out in the desert lol.

primalVICTORY wrote:

fabiobasile wrote:i don't know what i want in TF2, but sure as heck i know what i want in TF3... Unicron and Galvatron!!!

enough with unicron. we know he'll probly eventually get in one of the sequels, but hes not needed. its been used so much that its time to move on with something new. if they really want a huge bad guy or sumthing, then make up somebody new!

i hope not. i think unicron would be a major overkill. tired of him being used. if they are gonna do big bots, i say bring in bruticus, metroplex etc.

UGH.

Not Bay again. Im not surprised though, given the cash this movie has raked in you can bet they are going to play things safe and hire Bay again to spin his "magic" and bless us all with a TF2 movie. I mean come on, he must really want to make some $$$$$.....errrrrrrr......make a quality TF2 movie that all the fans will love.

Booooooo!

No surprised there, with all the money its made Paramount, and the fact that it is being hailed as Bay's best film to date.

Sure has changed his tune from when he steadfastly refused to have anything to do with it isnt it?

i_amtrunks wrote:Sure has changed his tune from when he steadfastly refused to have anything to do with it isnt it?

He was hoping you'd forgotten about that by now

I have to agree with the Nay Sayers on this one. Bay doesnt deserve a chance to direct TF 2, assuming it makes it past the negotiation phase.

While he did a decent job with this first movie, I dont think the bean counters are giving old fans enough credit. Shoot, most fans from the 80's like myself would've gone to see the movie regardless of who was directing, what it was made out of or how much CG it had.

If a 2nd movie comes out it needs to be alot better thought out than part 1. There needs to be a storyline with more depth than your average TV commercials (was I the only one that felt like the movie was several commercials for products strung back to back?).

Nitrosquake wrote:was I the only one that felt like the movie was several commercials for products strung back to back?

Of course not, because that's all it was. An ad for various products and the US military, complete with explosions and tits.

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:They will never hire the guy who wrote Beast Wars to write this movie.

Of course they won't. They want a brainless movie, not something with substance. This is HOLLYWOOD!!

One thing TF2 needs to do is, Show the personalities of each of the autobots... I understand that TF1 was to introduce characters and stuff, and now with the second one they have a chance to let you kknow the characters more

1337W422102 wrote:

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:They will never hire the guy who wrote Beast Wars to write this movie.

Of course they won't. They want a brainless movie, not something with substance. This is HOLLYWOOD!!

No, they just aren't going to hire one of the writers/story editors from Beast Wars.

Also, considering how little Forward and Ditillio they knew about Transformers when they started work on the show, it is possible for someone else to become more versed in the brand as time progresses and to get a better handle on what they want to do with characters.

I just ask for two things, a decent plot and transformer character development.

Fang Wolf wrote:I just ask for two things, a decent plot and transformer character development.

Me too, i mean after TF1 we know who Bumblebee and Optimus are(sorta) But know in the second one, we need to know more about them, and Racthet and Ironhide, and any Autobots they send

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

1337W422102 wrote:

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:They will never hire the guy who wrote Beast Wars to write this movie.

Of course they won't. They want a brainless movie, not something with substance. This is HOLLYWOOD!!

No, they just aren't going to hire one of the writers/story editors from Beast Wars.

Also, considering how little Forward and Ditillio they knew about Transformers when they started work on the show, it is possible for someone else to become more versed in the brand as time progresses and to get a better handle on what they want to do with characters.

Still, the fact is the first movie hardly had characters at all. And since so many of the Decepticons were new and expendable characters, maybe it wouldn't have been so bad to have given them personalities. And the Autobots weren't that much better either, except for a few lines and the basic "Ironhide baddass, Ratchet scientific, Jazz cool" guideline.

I understand that Bob and Larry might not be the best men for the job, but the guys who wrote the first one (or at least the guys who allowed to the first one to end up as it did) sure weren't, either.

So is it confirmed that Orci and the other dude got let go for the next movie?

wingdarkness wrote:So is it confirmed that Orci and the other dude got let go for the next movie?

They didn't get let go. I believe they have a prior commitment with J.J. Abrams' Star Trek movie.

Edit: Since I can't double post here, I'll add this part here--

1337W422102 wrote:Still, the fact is the first movie hardly had characters at all. And since so many of the Decepticons were new and expendable characters, maybe it wouldn't have been so bad to have given them personalities. And the Autobots weren't that much better either, except for a few lines and the basic "Ironhide baddass, Ratchet scientific, Jazz cool" guideline.

I understand that Bob and Larry might not be the best men for the job, but the guys who wrote the first one (or at least the guys who allowed to the first one to end up as it did) sure weren't, either.

The second movie is the real test to see where they go with what they started. There are plenty of seeds planted, but now they have to make them grow (Hooray metaphors! ). That's especially true with characters where they gave parts of their characters and allowed for some development, mainly with the Autobots of course, but now that they've been introduced they can be expounded upon. That's actually the biggest problem for this movie. Hasbro is going to want to make toys, which means they will always have to introduce new characters, which means the old characters still won't get the screen time we want. This franchise is in a type of constant Catch-22 situation.

Hope no one said this before, but ! hope this means that we get a roster of characters within the next six months.

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:The second movie is the real test to see where they go with what they started. There are plenty of seeds planted, but now they have to make them grow (Hooray metaphors! ). That's especially true with characters where they gave parts of their characters and allowed for some development, mainly with the Autobots of course, but now that they've been introduced they can be expounded upon. That's actually the biggest problem for this movie. Hasbro is going to want to make toys, which means they will always have to introduce new characters, which means the old characters still won't get the screen time we want. This franchise is in a type of constant Catch-22 situation.

You're absolutely right there. I think that the Autobot roster is great as it is, except they need the replacement after well, that casualty. Perhaps Prowl.

I think that rather than just make up new characters and show them do something "X-TREEEEEEME!!!", they really should develop who they already have. Since they have the introductions out of the way, now's their chance to develop!

As for the toy part, well... I have a feeling we'll be seeing new alts. Whatever new GM car or truck that comes out will probably get a shameless plug!

maybe start with some animatics so he can get some action scenes right away. or start the script right away.

my only request to Bay is WHEN THERE IS ACTION KEEP THE GOD DAMN CAMERA STILL SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OK?

Sideshow Sideswipe wrote:my only request to Bay is WHEN THERE IS ACTION KEEP THE GOD DAMN CAMERA STILL SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OK?

get yourself some better eyes.

Mr.RobotAutoMan wrote:

Sideshow Sideswipe wrote:my only request to Bay is WHEN THERE IS ACTION KEEP THE GOD DAMN CAMERA STILL SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OK?

get yourself some better eyes.

I believe multiple viewings helps. I saw it for a third time last weekend and I am pretty sure I caught most of the action.

1337W422102 wrote:

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:The second movie is the real test to see where they go with what they started. There are plenty of seeds planted, but now they have to make them grow (Hooray metaphors! ). That's especially true with characters where they gave parts of their characters and allowed for some development, mainly with the Autobots of course, but now that they've been introduced they can be expounded upon. That's actually the biggest problem for this movie. Hasbro is going to want to make toys, which means they will always have to introduce new characters, which means the old characters still won't get the screen time we want. This franchise is in a type of constant Catch-22 situation.

You're absolutely right there. I think that the Autobot roster is great as it is, except they need the replacement after well, that casualty. Perhaps Prowl.

I think that rather than just make up new characters and show them do something "X-TREEEEEEME!!!", they really should develop who they already have. Since they have the introductions out of the way, now's their chance to develop!

As for the toy part, well... I have a feeling we'll be seeing new alts. Whatever new GM car or truck that comes out will probably get a shameless plug!

Therein is another thing that makes me wonder. If they have to change the alt modes of the existing characters in order to sell new cars and new toys (let's be honest, they have to do the car selling so they don't have to spend absurd amounts of money designing their own cars, which as Bay points out allows them to save money to do other things), wouldn't that take up production time because they have to redo the designs and transformation sequences of the characters? Unless they just made them into that year's models of the same makes, anyway.

And I like this core group too. They were fun to meet and there is oodles they can do to further improve them.

I liked the movie, but I know there are things they can do to make the sequel even better, especially with the people who didn't really know Transformers before now being introduced to them and not needing as much exposition.

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

1337W422102 wrote:

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:The second movie is the real test to see where they go with what they started. There are plenty of seeds planted, but now they have to make them grow (Hooray metaphors! ). That's especially true with characters where they gave parts of their characters and allowed for some development, mainly with the Autobots of course, but now that they've been introduced they can be expounded upon. That's actually the biggest problem for this movie. Hasbro is going to want to make toys, which means they will always have to introduce new characters, which means the old characters still won't get the screen time we want. This franchise is in a type of constant Catch-22 situation.

You're absolutely right there. I think that the Autobot roster is great as it is, except they need the replacement after well, that casualty. Perhaps Prowl.

I think that rather than just make up new characters and show them do something "X-TREEEEEEME!!!", they really should develop who they already have. Since they have the introductions out of the way, now's their chance to develop!

As for the toy part, well... I have a feeling we'll be seeing new alts. Whatever new GM car or truck that comes out will probably get a shameless plug!

Therein is another thing that makes me wonder. If they have to change the alt modes of the existing characters in order to sell new cars and new toys (let's be honest, they have to do the car selling so they don't have to spend absurd amounts of money designing their own cars, which as Bay points out allows them to save money to do other things), wouldn't that take up production time because they have to redo the designs and transformation sequences of the characters? Unless they just made them into that year's models of the same makes, anyway.

And I like this core group too. They were fun to meet and there is oodles they can do to further improve them.

I liked the movie, but I know there are things they can do to make the sequel even better, especially with the people who didn't really know Transformers before now being introduced to them and not needing as much exposition.

Mm. Given the need for a new batch of toys with each movie, you can probably expect them to get damaged and need rebuilding/ some other premise to get new alts, although it's possible that in two years time they'll be able to just rerelease some of the toys (throw in a new hat) in TF:TM2 boxes and still sell a bundle. Like make leader prime come with some minor accessory or pivotal prop, give him a minor redeco (maybe some silver 'scuff' effects) and they'd probably sell a bunch more.

wingdarkness wrote:It's like boning a fugly chick...You knew it was gonna happen but you can never really prepare for it...

This day will live in infamy, Take 2 >.<...

Aaaannnddd....any remote respect for your opinions just went out the window. Period.

What a ridiculous and disgusting thing to say. Sounds to me like you have a "fugly" mind and heart.


I hope the second movie is a success, and I hope it pisses off the G1 fans even more. I want it to be the box office's version of a bitchslap.

Bartrim wrote:

Mr.RobotAutoMan wrote:

Sideshow Sideswipe wrote:my only request to Bay is WHEN THERE IS ACTION KEEP THE GOD DAMN CAMERA STILL SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OK?

get yourself some better eyes.

I believe multiple viewings helps. I saw it for a third time last weekend and I am pretty sure I caught most of the action.

That might be the worst endorsement of a movie ever...

tile_mcgillus wrote:

Bartrim wrote:

Mr.RobotAutoMan wrote:

Sideshow Sideswipe wrote:my only request to Bay is WHEN THERE IS ACTION KEEP THE GOD DAMN CAMERA STILL SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OK?

get yourself some better eyes.

I believe multiple viewings helps. I saw it for a third time last weekend and I am pretty sure I caught most of the action.

That might be the worst endorsement of a movie ever...

I saw everything clearly the first time. Is that better?

Robinson wrote:

Megatron_Wolf wrote:LISTEN TO US FANS!

That would be the worst possible thing that could be done. The fans themselves cant come to a consensus on what to put in the movie. No fan involvement is the best involvment.

Wow! Seriously...? Like all the fans sat down and tried to make a cohesive script together and it just blew up in their face? Come on man. I think we all know what the fans want:
Respect for the source material, the characters we love to come to life not made up ones or drastically altered, cool action sequences and a great story etc etc. The other smaller things are are always debatable but some things are constant.

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

tile_mcgillus wrote:

Bartrim wrote:

Mr.RobotAutoMan wrote:

Sideshow Sideswipe wrote:my only request to Bay is WHEN THERE IS ACTION KEEP THE GOD DAMN CAMERA STILL SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OK?

get yourself some better eyes.

I believe multiple viewings helps. I saw it for a third time last weekend and I am pretty sure I caught most of the action.

That might be the worst endorsement of a movie ever...

I saw everything clearly the first time. Is that better?

Yes. Very much so. That quote should be on the DVD!

Delta82 wrote:Im glad that he wants to start now... But he needs to take his time to try to make TF2 the best it can be.

agreed. If he starts now the story will suck more than this one did. He needs to get some GOOD competent writers, I can think of one.. Simon Furman maybe. WHo KNOWS Transformers btu is able to put his own spin on it.

Delta82 wrote:Ohhh, i know.... WHAT HAPPENED TO BARRICADE, he was cool


"ARE YOU LADIESMAN!!!!!" lol classic

Yep. Best Decepticon line ever. 'ARE YOU USERNAME: LADIESMAN217?!" So f*cking classic.

Ah, so Bay just might possibly have a chance of maybe being the director of TF2. My thoughts on the matter? Give the robots more screen time, damnitt!