Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode
Thursday, November 4th, 2021 3:02PM CDT
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We had seen images of a still to be revealed MP Cliffjumper in green plastic as a test figure and properly coloured for vehicle mode. Well now we see a coloured sample of his robot mode. This is painted as is the case with many samples and we are still unaware of whether or not it will be entirely painted plastic or red plastic in the end, or even if this toy will be made for any of us to buy. But still, we wanted to share the images of the process. We rarely get to follow a toy's journey like this so let's savour it. While the alt mode looks full of gaps, this is still the test phase, so it's the time to iron out issues. What we notice here is that it is a different face from the one we saw before (also below) so it could be that this is one of the other faces this figure comes with. the chest does appear to be mistransformed, you can also compare that to the unpainted sample.
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Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120251)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2021 @ 3:04pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2021 @ 3:04pm CDT
I like the head sculpt. I can't seem to find two pictures that look enough alike for a consensus. But is the spoiler supposed to sit on his chest like that? As it seems to be missing from the prototype.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120255)
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on November 4th, 2021 @ 3:36pm CDT
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on November 4th, 2021 @ 3:36pm CDT
It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120257)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:20pm CDT
Didn't read that part before... Nevermind.
I know we can't gauge the scale from these images but with the way the wheels sit in his Bot Mode chest, it would suggest he is tiny. I wonder if that will accurately be reflected in the price...
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:20pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:the chest does appear to be mistransformed, you can also compare that to the unpainted sample.
Didn't read that part before... Nevermind.I know we can't gauge the scale from these images but with the way the wheels sit in his Bot Mode chest, it would suggest he is tiny. I wonder if that will accurately be reflected in the price...
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120258)
Posted by DaveTheRave137 on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:21pm CDT
Posted by DaveTheRave137 on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:21pm CDT
aa companies greed and jumping on anime aesthetics. “yeah we will make even more money if we take all the anime cues especially what makes the anime flawed”. i used to hate the 80s comics when an artist who clearly out of there depth and could only draw human hands would, make transformers look like people at cosplay in cardboard boxes wearing laytex coloured gloves. Even when they added rings at the joints that didn’t help much. The one thing I loved about the bumblebee movie is that they did how i imagined a robotic face that wad able to convey emotion, with all the small movements a face makes without relying on some liquid metal technology, as the less human the solution looks the better. I still want humanoid form as that is what evolution has designed, aliens will have a similar form to us if they live in an environment which is land based and like us teansformers are social and have similar needs. But constantly making up technologies like batmans utility belt looks wrong, it may wellcome true, but mu head doesnt believe it yet.
I hate these soft human anime faces, why isnt all the body fluid if they have that tech.
Don’t they realise anime form was liked so much becuase, the toy in the box disnt look like what the drawing was telling us it should be.
Now we can have toya that look like the actual no holds barred design. So much so that we have toys that revert to look like an actualy cartoon, now that is a point when anything is possible. So just make the mps look the beat they can be. Give them style, make them look beyond what we imagined, take them to a place where they are still what we recognise, but go forward, don’t make them into something we settled for becuase that was the best we had offered. Look at the anime movie, now that was getting closer to what i was hoping for, and they are using sat morning sketches come on, look at the comics look at what is possible, are they really thinking we would rather that anime style over the rushed budget morning show, those artosts could do better they had a deadline, this is masterpiece, and look at the prices wow
I hate these soft human anime faces, why isnt all the body fluid if they have that tech.
Don’t they realise anime form was liked so much becuase, the toy in the box disnt look like what the drawing was telling us it should be.
Now we can have toya that look like the actual no holds barred design. So much so that we have toys that revert to look like an actualy cartoon, now that is a point when anything is possible. So just make the mps look the beat they can be. Give them style, make them look beyond what we imagined, take them to a place where they are still what we recognise, but go forward, don’t make them into something we settled for becuase that was the best we had offered. Look at the anime movie, now that was getting closer to what i was hoping for, and they are using sat morning sketches come on, look at the comics look at what is possible, are they really thinking we would rather that anime style over the rushed budget morning show, those artosts could do better they had a deadline, this is masterpiece, and look at the prices wow
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120260)
Posted by william-james88 on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:34pm CDT
He'll be the same price as Bee 2.0
Posted by william-james88 on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:34pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:william-james88 wrote:the chest does appear to be mistransformed, you can also compare that to the unpainted sample.
I know we can't gauge the scale from these images but with the way the wheels sit in his Bot Mode chest, it would suggest he is tiny. I wonder if that will accurately be reflected in the price...
He'll be the same price as Bee 2.0
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120261)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:39pm CDT
A quick search and that would place MP Cliffjumper between 100-150 (ironically, currency exchange doesn't seem to matter).
Just when I thought things were starting to settle down again price-wise, with MP Skids.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:39pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:He'll be the same price as Bee 2.0
A quick search and that would place MP Cliffjumper between 100-150 (ironically, currency exchange doesn't seem to matter).
Just when I thought things were starting to settle down again price-wise, with MP Skids.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120268)
Posted by sol magnus on November 4th, 2021 @ 6:27pm CDT
Posted by sol magnus on November 4th, 2021 @ 6:27pm CDT
Pretty cool. I'll....wait for the finished issue.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120272)
Posted by Immortal Starscream on November 4th, 2021 @ 7:49pm CDT
Posted by Immortal Starscream on November 4th, 2021 @ 7:49pm CDT
Blarg. Sorry, couldn't stand mp bee 2.0, and sadly CJ here falls into that same category. I appreciate what they are trying to do, and clearly I am not their target demographic. Wake me up when they announce the next mp beast wars figure.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120277)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:19am CDT
Ooof..... Now this time, the scrap-kibble is straight up on the front.
They tried to do this:
But they failed.
Again.
I dread to see the backpack.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:19am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Ooof..... Now this time, the scrap-kibble is straight up on the front.
They tried to do this:
But they failed.
Again.
I dread to see the backpack.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120279)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 5:13am CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 5:13am CDT
I think the spoiler can be moved upwards to match the cartoon aesthetic, but even if can be, it looks like complete and utter dogsh*t, just like Bumblebee did.
I wouldn't even get the KO of this utter, utter failure of a product.
I wouldn't even get the KO of this utter, utter failure of a product.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120281)
Posted by RiddlerJ on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:13am CDT
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Posted by RiddlerJ on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:13am CDT
Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120283)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:31am CDT
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:31am CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120284)
Posted by RiddlerJ on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:33am CDT
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
Posted by RiddlerJ on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:33am CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120285)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:55am CDT
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:55am CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120288)
Posted by optimeow on November 5th, 2021 @ 8:28am CDT
Posted by optimeow on November 5th, 2021 @ 8:28am CDT
Wasn't there an issue with the VW licence which caused the so very limited release of Netflix Bumblebee?
(which was the only version of that particular mold)
Someone previously replied to a post of mine saying that PF Bumblebee would be the last release as a VW Beetle.
It seems strange that VW is giving out licences for cars other than the Beetle.
Could that be why we are getting non-realistic vehicle modes for MP on these characters?
Could it also be because VW has stopped producing Beetles altogether? (even the actual cars)
So many questions. So few or no answers to them
(which was the only version of that particular mold)
Someone previously replied to a post of mine saying that PF Bumblebee would be the last release as a VW Beetle.
It seems strange that VW is giving out licences for cars other than the Beetle.
Could that be why we are getting non-realistic vehicle modes for MP on these characters?
Could it also be because VW has stopped producing Beetles altogether? (even the actual cars)
So many questions. So few or no answers to them
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120289)
Posted by sol magnus on November 5th, 2021 @ 8:36am CDT
It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
Posted by sol magnus on November 5th, 2021 @ 8:36am CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120290)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2021 @ 8:44am CDT
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2021 @ 8:44am CDT
sol magnus wrote:but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
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Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120292)
Posted by william-james88 on November 5th, 2021 @ 10:16am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on November 5th, 2021 @ 10:16am CDT
VW owning Porsche is not relevant in terms of licensing. Licensing must ve obtained at the specific companie level. The Porsche license must be obtained individually from Porsche.
That being said, I think the Porsche licence has been aquired since one of the main transformers in the next live action film is a Porsche (but not a guarantee as we saw with Ferrari).
That being said, I think the Porsche licence has been aquired since one of the main transformers in the next live action film is a Porsche (but not a guarantee as we saw with Ferrari).
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120305)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:04pm CDT
Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:04pm CDT
sol magnus wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120306)
Posted by sol magnus on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:10pm CDT
I would've thought the 'stingy with licensing' implication would cover that.
Posted by sol magnus on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:10pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:sol magnus wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?
I would've thought the 'stingy with licensing' implication would cover that.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120307)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:13pm CDT
Like I've written/linked to before, RUF have given licences out (to videogames) when Porsche couldn't/wouldn't before.
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:13pm CDT
sol magnus wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:sol magnus wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?
I would've thought the 'stingy with licensing' implication would cover that.
Like I've written/linked to before, RUF have given licences out (to videogames) when Porsche couldn't/wouldn't before.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120308)
Posted by sol magnus on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:16pm CDT
I guess you'd have to ask them. It's definitely frustrating.
Posted by sol magnus on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:16pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:sol magnus wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:sol magnus wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?
I would've thought the 'stingy with licensing' implication would cover that.
Like I've written/linked to before, RUF have given licences out (to videogames) when Porsche couldn't/wouldn't before.
I guess you'd have to ask them. It's definitely frustrating.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120314)
Posted by william-james88 on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:37pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:37pm CDT
Still wondering when we'll be seeing MP Hoist/Trailbreaker. Takara said year ago that they were working on them.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120459)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 7th, 2021 @ 3:21pm CST
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 7th, 2021 @ 3:21pm CST
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120463)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 7th, 2021 @ 3:33pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 7th, 2021 @ 3:33pm CST
As usual, miss-transforming for the first reveal gives a bad first impression. This looks relatively acceptable.
Now the dreadful back reveal...
Clean, or kibble cancer?
Now the dreadful back reveal...
Clean, or kibble cancer?
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2120466)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 7th, 2021 @ 3:44pm CST
That's the same as, say, YouTubers getting hold of official toys, before they're officially/legally available, and reviewing them. If they point out flaws that are either legitimately present (but might not be so in the official release later on), mistranform the toy, or make errors about the flaws (which don't actually exist), then these can all create a bad first impression.
I suppose the worst case would be in official photos, as arguably, that's what "johnny public" might consider to be the "only" way the product can be (transformed as), which might put off some potential customers?
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 7th, 2021 @ 3:44pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:As usual, miss-transforming for the first reveal gives a bad first impression. This looks relatively acceptable.
Now the dreadful back reveal...
Clean, or kibble cancer?
That's the same as, say, YouTubers getting hold of official toys, before they're officially/legally available, and reviewing them. If they point out flaws that are either legitimately present (but might not be so in the official release later on), mistranform the toy, or make errors about the flaws (which don't actually exist), then these can all create a bad first impression.
I suppose the worst case would be in official photos, as arguably, that's what "johnny public" might consider to be the "only" way the product can be (transformed as), which might put off some potential customers?
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2124793)
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 6th, 2022 @ 7:42am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 6th, 2022 @ 7:42am CST
Greetings Seibertronians!
With no official word from Takaratomy about Masterpiece Cliffjumper, this next story should be taken with a grain of salt.
The Japanese Transformers fan blog Autobase Aichi has reported on news that was originally found on Chinese social media, that of a comparison between the potential Masterpiece Cliffjumper figure, and the figure it shares parts with, MP-45 Bumblebee.
Check out the images below:
What do you think of this? Is this the Masterpiece Cliffjumper you wanted?
Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!
With no official word from Takaratomy about Masterpiece Cliffjumper, this next story should be taken with a grain of salt.
The Japanese Transformers fan blog Autobase Aichi has reported on news that was originally found on Chinese social media, that of a comparison between the potential Masterpiece Cliffjumper figure, and the figure it shares parts with, MP-45 Bumblebee.
Check out the images below:
What do you think of this? Is this the Masterpiece Cliffjumper you wanted?
Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2124795)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 6th, 2022 @ 8:19am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 6th, 2022 @ 8:19am CST
For a line that says "Masterpiece", implying that level of attainment to their design/aesthetic etc. Both can't really be judged as successful in that regard.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2124799)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2022 @ 8:27am CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2022 @ 8:27am CST
Still kibbly with "backpack" cancer, but at least he looks a bit cleaner than Bee.
It's not saying much.
It's not saying much.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2124801)
Posted by Immortal Starscream on January 6th, 2022 @ 9:30am CST
Posted by Immortal Starscream on January 6th, 2022 @ 9:30am CST
to quote a couple cartoon squirrels:
"Now that's comedy"
"SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEW!"
"Now that's comedy"
"SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEW!"
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2124802)
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on January 6th, 2022 @ 9:59am CST
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on January 6th, 2022 @ 9:59am CST
Similar amount of kibble to Origins 'Bee?
If so, THAT'S what Earthrise shoulda looked like...
If so, THAT'S what Earthrise shoulda looked like...
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2124805)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 6th, 2022 @ 10:30am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 6th, 2022 @ 10:30am CST
If I were a fan of either of these characters, I'd be insulted by the effort. Or lack thereof. "Only looks good from the front" shouldn't be the standard for Masterpieces.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2124808)
Posted by optimeow on January 6th, 2022 @ 10:37am CST
Posted by optimeow on January 6th, 2022 @ 10:37am CST
Gappy bots and alt modes aren’t masterpieces.
They aren’t works of art or fine robot toy engineering either.
Who’s with me?
They aren’t works of art or fine robot toy engineering either.
Who’s with me?
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2124810)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2022 @ 10:54am CST
Everyone.
Especially when the damn thing will retail for 150$+.
This sure ain't a MP Skids/Reboost.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2022 @ 10:54am CST
optimeow wrote:Who’s with me?
Everyone.
Especially when the damn thing will retail for 150$+.
This sure ain't a MP Skids/Reboost.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2124816)
Posted by Till-all-R1 on January 6th, 2022 @ 11:58am CST
Posted by Till-all-R1 on January 6th, 2022 @ 11:58am CST
For the price I can't say I'm impressed, for about $120 less I have something else that suffices quite well.
Also the fact that the doors become the bottom of the feet is poor engineering as it will most likely cause scuffing when displayed in bot mode. I used to like MP a lot but ever since they basically doubles in price they just aren't worth it anymore versus the standard TF line.
Also the fact that the doors become the bottom of the feet is poor engineering as it will most likely cause scuffing when displayed in bot mode. I used to like MP a lot but ever since they basically doubles in price they just aren't worth it anymore versus the standard TF line.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2124824)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2022 @ 12:24pm CST
That is, unless they release more like MP Skids and Reboost who are marvelous and barely cost more than a standard leader class.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2022 @ 12:24pm CST
Till-all-R1 wrote:I used to like MP a lot but ever since they basically doubles in price they just aren't worth it anymore versus the standard TF line.
That is, unless they release more like MP Skids and Reboost who are marvelous and barely cost more than a standard leader class.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2124825)
Posted by SpaceEagle on January 6th, 2022 @ 12:38pm CST
Posted by SpaceEagle on January 6th, 2022 @ 12:38pm CST
Sheesh, looks like they really don't know what to do when it comes to smaller bots. MP Skids looks fantastic and deserving of the "Masterpiece" label, but this looks like they just borrowed engineering from close cousin Bumblebee and called it a day. It's...at least...cleaner?
I never really cared for Masterpieces but this seems odd compared to the aftermentioned Skids and Shouki - at least Shouki has combiner tasks so I can excuse THAT kibble.
I never really cared for Masterpieces but this seems odd compared to the aftermentioned Skids and Shouki - at least Shouki has combiner tasks so I can excuse THAT kibble.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2124837)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 6th, 2022 @ 4:11pm CST
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 6th, 2022 @ 4:11pm CST
I think both BB and Cliffjumper's design has united both cartoon-accurate and "classic aesthetic" MP fans in their mutual disgust for these figures This is what happens when one thing interferes, and take precedence over the overall aesthetic qualities of an object. In this case, a supposedly and so-called "masterpiece" figure.
Just like with most of the cartoonified MPs, this is an easy pass for me. There are 3P, possible KO versions and even the current "CHUG" figures that are of a standard these days to be considered spiritual successors to the MP line.
Or, in the vernacular, it looks like dogsh*t.
Just like with most of the cartoonified MPs, this is an easy pass for me. There are 3P, possible KO versions and even the current "CHUG" figures that are of a standard these days to be considered spiritual successors to the MP line.
Or, in the vernacular, it looks like dogsh*t.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2125004)
Posted by Big Grim on January 9th, 2022 @ 7:35am CST
Short answer, no. This cartoon "accurate" nonsense has to end in my opinion as it's NOT accurate. Bee did't have exploded nonsense for a backpack and feet in the cartoon, itself full of errors.
~ Grim
Posted by Big Grim on January 9th, 2022 @ 7:35am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:What do you think of this? Is this the Masterpiece Cliffjumper you wanted?
Short answer, no. This cartoon "accurate" nonsense has to end in my opinion as it's NOT accurate. Bee did't have exploded nonsense for a backpack and feet in the cartoon, itself full of errors.
~ Grim
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2125005)
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 9th, 2022 @ 7:42am CST
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 9th, 2022 @ 7:42am CST
Big Grim wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:What do you think of this? Is this the Masterpiece Cliffjumper you wanted?
Short answer, no. This cartoon "accurate" nonsense has to end in my opinion as it's NOT accurate. Bee did't have exploded nonsense for a backpack and feet in the cartoon, itself full of errors.
~ Grim
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2125006)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 9th, 2022 @ 7:42am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 9th, 2022 @ 7:42am CST
The closest it seems you'll likely get to an "accurate" MP BB, based on HasTak's efforts is this one:
and just buy a separate one of these:
(adding some repro labels)
and just buy a separate one of these:
(adding some repro labels)
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2125007)
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 9th, 2022 @ 8:15am CST
Probably cheaper as well
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 9th, 2022 @ 8:15am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The closest it seems you'll likely get to an "accurate" MP BB, based on HasTak's efforts is this one:
and just buy a separate one of these:
(adding some repro labels)
Probably cheaper as well
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2125008)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 9th, 2022 @ 8:19am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 9th, 2022 @ 8:19am CST
Considering BB (and Cliffjumper, by extension) are icons of the series. The quality of the MP's would really suggest Takara doesn't care that much for him.
I look at Starscream/Thundercracker 2.0 and Skids/Reboost. Effort was made and hard work was put into the designs. I don't get that same impression here.
I look at Starscream/Thundercracker 2.0 and Skids/Reboost. Effort was made and hard work was put into the designs. I don't get that same impression here.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2125317)
Posted by Big Grim on January 13th, 2022 @ 5:10pm CST
True enough, though I am fond of the first MP Bumblebee.
~ Grim
Posted by Big Grim on January 13th, 2022 @ 5:10pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The closest it seems you'll likely get to an "accurate" MP BB, based on HasTak's efforts is this one:
and just buy a separate one of these:
(adding some repro labels)
True enough, though I am fond of the first MP Bumblebee.
~ Grim
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2125332)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on January 13th, 2022 @ 8:31pm CST
That first one was money.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on January 13th, 2022 @ 8:31pm CST
Big Grim wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The closest it seems you'll likely get to an "accurate" MP BB, based on HasTak's efforts is this one:
and just buy a separate one of these:
(adding some repro labels)
True enough, though I am fond of the first MP Bumblebee.
~ Grim
That first one was money.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2125366)
Posted by Big Grim on January 14th, 2022 @ 1:52pm CST
He really was!
~ Grim
Posted by Big Grim on January 14th, 2022 @ 1:52pm CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Big Grim wrote:True enough, though I am fond of the first MP Bumblebee.
~ Grim
That first one was money.
He really was!
~ Grim
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2125368)
Posted by LunarBolt1984 on January 14th, 2022 @ 2:08pm CST
Posted by LunarBolt1984 on January 14th, 2022 @ 2:08pm CST
MP? More like M-Piece of crap
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2125375)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 14th, 2022 @ 4:29pm CST
Much Poo.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 14th, 2022 @ 4:29pm CST
LunarBolt1984 wrote:MP? More like M-Piece of crap
Much Poo.
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2125410)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 15th, 2022 @ 3:30pm CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 15th, 2022 @ 3:30pm CST
Am I the only one who thinks that this Cliffjumper being a reshelling of Bumblebee v2 is a bit suspect?
Re: Colour Sample of Transformers MP Cliffjumper in Robot Mode (2125420)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 15th, 2022 @ 3:59pm CST
Suspect how?
One thing is sure, that's a lazy design. Like applying lipstick to a pig.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 15th, 2022 @ 3:59pm CST
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that this Cliffjumper being a reshelling of Bumblebee v2 is a bit suspect?
Suspect how?
One thing is sure, that's a lazy design. Like applying lipstick to a pig.
