Description of Upcoming Transformers Legacy Commander Motormaster

Motormaster himself sounds cool but I'm more inclined to just get upgrades for my CW kit because I don't like this mode of combination.

So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

You don't have to like it, but it's as much a combiner as anything. G1 combiners had kibble, and it's even using part of the alt-mode.

If they are emulating 3P companies, then Hasbro's using them exactly as they should, IMO. Siege Magnus kept screaming "City Commander" at me the whole time I first transformed him, and was a better toy for the unofficial R&D. At least these official Stunticons should scale better than that Third party team.

Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

Many bots come together to make a big bot, it's a combiner.

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

william-james88 wrote:There are a few descriptions of the upcoming Transformers Legacy commander Motormaster toy...

The cars making the arms clip on while the legs are hollow rectangles for the cars to slide into, filling out the holes.

So if this is true, the combined mode will be the height of Siege Jetfire as opposed to the CW combiner which is the height of a leader?

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

As it stands I always thought the G1 toon depiction of menasor just wearing the team on top of his robot limbs was very silly (and i could never understand why it was only him portrayed this way) so this will be a pass for me.

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.

It's not what the companies think or don't think that chaps my a--. It's the customers.

I've purchased my fair share of 3P figures (although I'm mainly into upgrade kits, which I feel is fair game), but at no time do I think 'I'm not getting the Hasbro version, I'm getting the XTranCUBEWuKFC version over that. Sure, free marketplace and everything, but I grew up in the time when Diaclones were considered knock-offs (lol).

I do think there are a few other interesting trends where Hasbro is clearly following the unlicensed market. The Centurion accessory pack, Earthrise Quintesson figures, SS86 Starscream's throne, all of these had clear antecedents from these toymakers. If Motormaster and Menasor deliver as rumored, they'll be the latest examples, not a new event.

Next up? Probably Generations Tarn. Hasbro has already made him available to their licensing partners that make non-transforming robots, and he's going to be in Cyberverse, so it's only a matter of time.

william-james88 wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

Many bots come together to make a big bot, it's a combiner.

If its like the KOs, the trailer IS the big bot and the 5 vehicles are decoration/gap-fillers. Its a shelf.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I do think there are a few other interesting trends where Hasbro is clearly following the unlicensed market. The Centurion accessory pack, Earthrise Quintesson figures, SS86 Starscream's throne, all of these had clear antecedents from these toymakers. If Motormaster and Menasor deliver as rumored, they'll be the latest examples, not a new event.

Next up? Probably Generations Tarn. Hasbro has already made him available to their licensing partners that make non-transforming robots, and he's going to be in Cyberverse, so it's only a matter of time.

That's a good thing. If nothing else, the 3P toymakers should inform Hasbro from a design perspective. I take nothing away from 3P for that.

sol magnus wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.

It's not what the companies think or don't think that chaps my a--. It's the customers.

I've purchased my fair share of 3P figures (although I'm mainly into upgrade kits, which I feel is fair game), but at no time do I think 'I'm not getting the Hasbro version, I'm getting the XTranCUBEWuKFC version over that. Sure, free marketplace and everything, but I grew up in the time when Diaclones were considered knock-offs (lol).

I'm generally hostile to so-called 3P, but the more I read on the subject, the more I'm convinced that original toy designs based on Hasbro's IP are probably legally permissable while still ethically wrong. I picked up a 3P Huffer years ago because he was the only minibot I didn't like in Generations, but I could never bear to open it, and Kingdom Huffer has made it unnecessary. I do get the occasionally Nonnef pack, though.

Personally, it's not my scene, but if that's something people like, that's for them. I'd rather have cheaper, generally more reliable mass market figures than premium priced stuff with questionable quality control, but that's just me. Maybe some would see me as a Hasbro shill, but I like what they do and I like their products, so they get my money.

Mistaken_Table wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

Many bots come together to make a big bot, it's a combiner.

If its like the KOs, the trailer IS the big bot and the 5 vehicles are decoration/gap-fillers. Its a shelf.

That's still a combiner tho

AcademyofDrX wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.

It's not what the companies think or don't think that chaps my a--. It's the customers.

I've purchased my fair share of 3P figures (although I'm mainly into upgrade kits, which I feel is fair game), but at no time do I think 'I'm not getting the Hasbro version, I'm getting the XTranCUBEWuKFC version over that. Sure, free marketplace and everything, but I grew up in the time when Diaclones were considered knock-offs (lol).

I'm generally hostile to so-called 3P, but the more I read on the subject, the more I'm convinced that original toy designs based on Hasbro's IP are probably legally permissable while still ethically wrong. I picked up a 3P Huffer years ago because he was the only minibot I didn't like in Generations, but I could never bear to open it, and Kingdom Huffer has made it unnecessary. I do get the occasionally Nonnef pack, though.

Personally, it's not my scene, but if that's something people like, that's for them. I'd rather have cheaper, generally more reliable mass market figures than premium priced stuff with questionable quality control, but that's just me. Maybe some would see me as a Hasbro shill, but I like what they do and I like their products, so they get my money.

Yeah, I've had that charge leveled at me as well, but the hobby is the hobby. The 3P figures I've gotten were gap fillers - IE there was no Takara version available - in Masterpiece for favorite characters. When Hasbro did one, then I would still get it.

Anyway, we're derailing - even though it started as relevant due to the Stunticons possibly being 3p-ish. I say, wait it out and see what they actually did rather than judge it based on conjecture. I saw Combiner Wars Menasor in a shop yesterday, and I'm sorry - but he sucks. I wouldn't get him before we knew anything about Legacy, and I still couldn't plunk down my money on him yesterday even for temporaries. So, I will wait and see what the Legacy version does, but I can't see it being worse than Menasor from Combiner Wars.

I've not purchased any 3P mostly because my patience with Hasbro/TT eventually pays off and they make the character I want for my collection. My only regret right now is the FT SaurusRyuOh. Because we have no idea when Hasbro/TT will ever get to Dinoking and Monstructor. Also if you thought getting older official product was difficult. Getting older 3P is just ridiculously expensive and hard to obtain unless the item was considered just bad overall.

It is nice I guess, when they do unique characters, but I don't need 6 different takes on Devastator, Superion and Menasor. Probably part of the reason why, as much as I love combiners, I feet a lack of creativity at Hasbro doing the Stunticons again as opposed to a Combiner team that hasn't been updated yet.

o.supreme wrote:It is nice I guess, when they do unique characters, but I don't need 6 different takes on Devastator, Superion and Menasor. Probably part of the reason why, as much as I love combiners, I feet a lack of creativity at Hasbro doing the Stunticons again as opposed to a Combiner team that hasn't been updated yet.

Menasor is bad, man. Objectively bad. They needed to correct that one. However, the jury is out on whether it'll be better or not. We shall see.

Oh I totally understand why a lot of fans weren't thrilled with CW/UW Menasor. But in my collection with 20+ other combiners of similar composition,he doesn't stand out as horrible.

Likely because we have engineering advanced 7 years, Legacy Menasor will be better from a technical standpoint, and anyone new to collecting will probably want to get it. But I'm fine with what I have.

I'm expecting eBay to get totally flooded with CW/UW Menasor, but that doesn't seem to have happened yet. I should probably sell mine now instead of waiting for a year, but I have a nearly complete Season 2 collection and I don't want to break it up prematurely.

I see it as like Classics/Universe versus WfC, the new ones made the old ones look like garbage to me, but some fans think they're oldies but goodies.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm expecting eBay to get totally flooded with CW/UW Menasor, but that doesn't seem to have happened yet. I should probably sell mine now instead of waiting for a year, but I have a nearly complete Season 2 collection and I don't want to break it up prematurely.

I see it as like Classics/Universe versus WfC, the new ones made the old ones look like garbage to me, but some fans think they're oldies but goodies.

Probably more CW than UW. Believe it or not, that premium packaging goes a LONG way. I would be shocked, even a year from now, if a UW Menasor complete in package sold for less than $200 USD.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:There are a few descriptions of the upcoming Transformers Legacy commander Motormaster toy...

The cars making the arms clip on while the legs are hollow rectangles for the cars to slide into, filling out the holes.

So if this is true, the combined mode will be the height of Siege Jetfire as opposed to the CW combiner which is the height of a leader?

What? Every CW Combiner is the height of Siege Jetfire.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

Many bots come together to make a big bot, it's a combiner.

If its like the KOs, the trailer IS the big bot and the 5 vehicles are decoration/gap-fillers. Its a shelf.

That's still a combiner tho

He's a combiner the same way a WFC toy with a weaponizer slapped on is (ie he's not).

Have to agree. The separate robot with the stunticons just stuck on as padding from several third party Menasors was never something I liked.

I like my combiners to actually need to be combined to have a functional combined mode. Having an independent body where the cars just tack on kind of defeats the purpose of the combiner. And yes I know that's how it was shown in the cartoon many times, but I chalk that up to animation liberties.

If this new Menasor does this, I'll likely skip it.

Welp, there goes my enthusiasm for the team. I'll stick with my upgraded CW G2 set.

I really hope that Menasor at least has an optional roller buddy for his chest. I never liked the cartoon's chest design, and while I was hoping that Menasor would be more convince less super robot, I'm still interested in getting every version they pump out Personally I'm hoping for G2 at least, and my dream would be an SG Menasor with colors based on the Masquerade Autobots just cause I think that'd be a neat reference point for their colors to come from. Only issue might be Motormaster being Optimus colors and causing a lot of confusion for the non-fan parents buying him for their kids

For the naysayers who don’t believe Legacy Menasor is a proper combiner, why. Is Energon Optimus Prime all that different? I imagine that the Motormaster component won’t really look like a complete robot. It’ll be a torso and head with spindly “skeleton” arms and legs. It’ll look terrible on its own. The rest of the Stunticons will be the “meat” of the arms and legs of Menasor. Similarly, Energon Optimus Prime is a chucky robot torso with disproportionately skinny and short arms and legs that you fill out with transformable vehicle drones. Is he NOT a combiner? Menasor doesn’t have drones, he’s got arms and legs with independent robot and vehicle modes. Plus, Menasor requires the minds of all five Stunticons to really function, regardless of how they all physically come together.

Wolfman Jake wrote:For the naysayers who don’t believe Legacy Menasor is a proper combiner, why. Is Energon Optimus Prime all that different? I imagine that the Motormaster component won’t really look like a complete robot. It’ll be a torso and head with spindly “skeleton” arms and legs. It’ll look terrible on its own. The rest of the Stunticons will be the “meat” of the arms and legs of Menasor. Similarly, Energon Optimus Prime is a chucky robot torso with disproportionately skinny and short arms and legs that you fill out with transformable vehicle drones. Is he NOT a combiner? Menasor doesn’t have drones, he’s got arms and legs with independent robot and vehicle modes. Plus, Menasor requires the minds of all five Stunticons to really function, regardless of how they all physically come together.

1. Energon Optimus Prime actually needs the drones for his arms and legs. He doesn't have arms and legs in combined mode without them at all. He has connectors like the CW combiners. The drones actually form the arms / hands and feet for the combiner. They are required.

2. The Menasor inner robot by definition needs to be functional on its own to work. i.e the Stunticons apparently will provide nothing to the combined mode outside of decoration. Nothing structural really., unless like you say the inner robot is a super spindly skeletal structure, but we don't know this yet. Since all we have seen is Dragstrip, and he comes with nothing for the combined mode, and has no actual combiner bits on his back, the Menasor inner robot needs to be self contained already for that to work. I personally do not really like that approach.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Is Energon Optimus Prime all that different?

Technically, he's officially a "Super Mode" instead.

Overcracker wrote:1. Energon Optimus Prime actually needs the drones for his arms and legs. He doesn't have arms and legs in combined mode without them at all. He has connectors like the CW combiners. The drones actually form the arms / hands and feet for the combiner. They are required.

2. The Menasor inner robot by definition needs to be functional on its own to work. i.e the Stunticons apparently will provide nothing to the combined mode outside of decoration. Nothing structural really., unless like you say the inner robot is a super spindly skeletal structure, but we don't know this yet. Since all we have seen is Dragstrip, and he comes with nothing for the combined mode, and has no actual combiner bits on his back, the Menasor inner robot needs to be self contained already for that to work. I personally do not really like that approach.

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Energon Optimus Prime may not be the best parallel. I must be misremembering how that toy worked. However, with Legacy Menasor, no matter if you want to call torso mode Motormaster with arms and legs its own complete robot, with the other Stunticons being merely “decoration,” you’re still neglecting that they add additional structure, mass, form, and perhaps function to the combined mode, and ignoring the fact that all of their minds still need to merge together to form Menasor, as opposed to just weird limbs “Super Mode” Motormaster. Just because you don’t like the method of combination doesn’t mean it’s not a combiner.

Overcracker wrote:Nothing structural really., unless like you say the inner robot is a super spindly skeletal structure, but we don't know this yet.

Not sure about the arms but it seems the legs are a spindly skeletal structure which is filled in with the stunticon meat.

Also, as soon as this was announced to be a commander class, there was no other way this wasn't gonna be the result. I guess we needed a "hot tip" for us to finally have this discussion.

@ZWolfman jake, I think a better example would be the sixtrain combiner and all those other smaller combiners which do have a skeletal component what other stuff latches on. Not a perfect example, but a better example than Energon Optimus, which "transforms" the same way a Power Ranger Megazord does.



While I thought that was pretty half assed for Six Train, I admit I would be entirely forgiving if those skeletal combiner framing components transformed into something, which is the case here.

I think you mean Wolfman Jake

Also you could reconfigure six trains kibble into weapons

Though it's not as cool as the little spaceship that Sixbuilder/Sixturbo/etc had mind.

ZeroWolf wrote: weapons

lololol

The fact that the leakers made a point of saying that Menasor does NOT look clean like the cartoon gives me pause. I hope the frame is made of sturdy plastic or there's a strong possibility of breakage.

As someone who has recently obtained all but one of the original 6-Team Micromaster Combiners, I always found them a bit unusual. It is impossible to form any part of the combiner without the extra parts. Also the 6th member just sitting in the back (not really needed) always seemed odd to me. True the parts all coming together to make their own separate vehicle was a neat little concept.

Stylistically, everyone has their own preferences. I'm not sure if one is "better" than the other. I think the original LioKaiser is a rare example of a fully self contained combiner, but then there are limitations with the feet and hands. CW/UW Devastator I like concept-wise over the original in that it removes one of the vital connector pieces from the hips/legs, and integrated the head into Hook. But you still had the hands as separate accessories, an awesome attempt to be sure. Then all the CW/UW/PotP were really good, even with the separate hands/feet. The major complaint was the weakness of the connection ratchets themselves. How they combine is great, if only there was a way to make them stronger so the combiners would be more stable.

ill wait to see what it looks like but at this stage im starting to wonder if someone high up just doesnt LIKE menasor !



i mean its just plain WEIRD to say the only official hasbro/takara issue of him to look good is the original G1 ONE !

CW/UW did such a good job on pretty much everyone else it just kinda stands out.

still a combiner is NOT something i was expecting from this line so at least he's SOMETHING.

As others have said i'dve prefered a proper monstructor. maybe with the pretenders being touched on again there'll be hope down the line.

william-james88 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Nothing structural really., unless like you say the inner robot is a super spindly skeletal structure, but we don't know this yet.

Not sure about the arms but it seems the legs are a spindly skeletal structure which is filled in with the stunticon meat.

Also, as soon as this was announced to be a commander class, there was no other way this wasn't gonna be the result. I guess we needed a "hot tip" for us to finally have this discussion.

@ZWolfman jake, I think a better example would be the sixtrain combiner and all those other smaller combiners which do have a skeletal component what other stuff latches on. Not a perfect example, but a better example than Energon Optimus, which "transforms" the same way a Power Ranger Megazord does.



While I thought that was pretty half assed for Six Train, I admit I would be entirely forgiving if those skeletal combiner framing components transformed into something, which is the case here.

Its closer, but even with the 6-guys combiners you needed the actual team members to complete them. They formed the actual arms and lower legs. without them you have a torso that ends at the knees and shoulders and then have hands and feet just sitting there unconnected.

I think the main issue with this, is you'll end up with a somewhat complete robot standing on its own without any team members attached (maybe only Motromaster).

See DX9's Capone:


I still have my doubts that stunticons will provide any structure to it really.

o.supreme wrote:As someone who has recently obtained all but one of the original 6-Team Micromaster Combiners, I always found them a bit unusual. It is impossible to form any part of the combiner without the extra parts. Also the 6th member just sitting in the back (not really needed) always seemed odd to me. True the parts all coming together to make their own separate vehicle was a neat little concept.

Stylistically, everyone has their own preferences. I'm not sure if one is "better" than the other. I think the original LioKaiser is a rare example of a fully self contained combiner, but then there are limitations with the feet and hands. CW/UW Devastator I like concept-wise over the original in that it removes one of the vital connector pieces from the hips/legs, and integrated the head into Hook. But you still had the hands as separate accessories, an awesome attempt to be sure. Then all the CW/UW/PotP were really good, even with the separate hands/feet. The major complaint was the weakness of the connection ratchets themselves. How they combine is great, if only there was a way to make them stronger so the combiners would be more stable.

O/T but I would love a Core class Devastator that could be redecoed into Sixbuilder, even though at least one of them would be very off-model.

Well, the rumors about Menasor are on par with what I believed it would be. As for "cartoon smoothness", duh, of course this won't be a 600$ MP.

I'm looking forward to it.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:The fact that the leakers made a point of saying that Menasor does NOT look clean like the cartoon gives me pause. I hope the frame is made of sturdy plastic or there's a strong possibility of breakage.

I wouldn’t get too hung up on the “doesn’t look smooth/clean like the cartoon” comment. We don’t really know what that means to the leaker who said it. It could just be that there is added detailing in the molds, or paint applications, or bits of kibble that don’t make it a 100% match to the G1 cartoon, it it will still be very close, much more so than the Combiner Wars/Unite Warriors version.

So we are all in agreement. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it.

But I'm 100% sure the people still saying this set is a combiner are the ones who have already spent hundreds on KOs that work the same way.

Can't blame Hasbro, though. If there's 1 thing KO companies are good for, its highlighting what the more ravenous fans will whale for. That's how MP-44 happened. Just a mess of tiny hinges you finagled into the shape of a robot or a truck without any clever or intuitive engineering. If people paid 200-300 for a KO, then they'd pay 400-500 for the real deal that included a trailer.

Enjoy your shelves, be they Menasor or a Deformation Captain that looks exactly like Menasor but legally isn't. Wussy Hasbro won't even redo Magnaboss or Tripredicus...

Mistaken_Table wrote:So we are all in agreement. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it.

But I'm 100% sure the people still saying this set is a combiner are the ones who have already spent hundreds on KOs that work the same way.

Can't blame Hasbro, though. If there's 1 thing KO companies are good for, its highlighting what the more ravenous fans will whale for. That's how MP-44 happened. Just a mess of tiny hinges you finagled into the shape of a robot or a truck without any clever or intuitive engineering. If people paid 200-300 for a KO, then they'd pay 400-500 for the real deal that included a trailer.

Enjoy your shelves, be they Menasor or a Deformation Captain that looks exactly like Menasor but legally isn't. Wussy Hasbro won't even redo Magnaboss or Tripredicus...

Try not to confuse knock-off and third party. The first take an original Hasbro/Takara toy, then either do a straight copy, of remake it with minor or major modifications. The second create their own original molds from scratch inspired by Hasbro/Takara characters.

Everyone involved are in some symbiotic relationship, taking ideas from each others. Yes, even the official Hasbro / Takara get ideas from 3P originals.

And honestly, it's a good thing. It makes the brand grow.

I don't understand - these comments appears elsewhere. Why is it not possible to give credit to the original source?

rikkomba wrote:I don't understand - these comments appears elswhwere. Why is it not possible to give credit to the original source?

Because the leakers have asked not to be named in News Posts so that their friends are less likely to be in trouble career wise

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

rikkomba wrote:I don't understand - these comments appears elsewhere. Why is it not possible to give credit to the original source?

Because the leakers have asked not to be named in News Posts so that their friends are less likely to be in trouble career wise

Yup, we've received multiple requests not to name names as it were, so with all due respect to the leakers, we don't.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:So we are all in agreement. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it.

But I'm 100% sure the people still saying this set is a combiner are the ones who have already spent hundreds on KOs that work the same way.

Can't blame Hasbro, though. If there's 1 thing KO companies are good for, its highlighting what the more ravenous fans will whale for. That's how MP-44 happened. Just a mess of tiny hinges you finagled into the shape of a robot or a truck without any clever or intuitive engineering. If people paid 200-300 for a KO, then they'd pay 400-500 for the real deal that included a trailer.

Enjoy your shelves, be they Menasor or a Deformation Captain that looks exactly like Menasor but legally isn't. Wussy Hasbro won't even redo Magnaboss or Tripredicus...

Try not to confuse knock-off and third party. The first take an original Hasbro/Takara toy, then either do a straight copy, of remake it with minor or major modifications. The second create their own original molds from scratch inspired by Hasbro/Takara characters.

Everyone involved are in some symbiotic relationship, taking ideas from each others. Yes, even the official Hasbro / Takara get ideas from 3P originals.

And honestly, it's a good thing. It makes the brand grow.

Try not to confuse 3rd party and KO, actually. Examples of 3rd party are licensed products made by external companies like ThreeZero, Flame Toys, Furai and those Micro Machines Transformers from the mid-2000's.

KOs are figures made to fool the consumer into thinking they're buying the real thing. Just because you're buying the KOs on purpose doesn't make them any more justified of a purchase. You bought Deformation Hero Leader because he looks exactly like Optimus Prime. You even have to put a separately purchased faction logo on it so it looks more like the real thing on your shelf.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:The fact that the leakers made a point of saying that Menasor does NOT look clean like the cartoon gives me pause. I hope the frame is made of sturdy plastic or there's a strong possibility of breakage.

I wouldn’t get too hung up on the “doesn’t look smooth/clean like the cartoon” comment. We don’t really know what that means to the leaker who said it. It could just be that there is added detailing in the molds, or paint applications, or bits of kibble that don’t make it a 100% match to the G1 cartoon, it it will still be very close, much more so than the Combiner Wars/Unite Warriors version.

Thats exactly what they mean. He will still be very G1 (thats the whole point of this different way to deal with a combiner) he jyst wint have crazy smooth surfaces like the cartoon image in the article.

Sounds like he'll be as G1 as Siege Shockwave and Astrotrain

Mistaken_Table wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:So we are all in agreement. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it.

But I'm 100% sure the people still saying this set is a combiner are the ones who have already spent hundreds on KOs that work the same way.

Can't blame Hasbro, though. If there's 1 thing KO companies are good for, its highlighting what the more ravenous fans will whale for. That's how MP-44 happened. Just a mess of tiny hinges you finagled into the shape of a robot or a truck without any clever or intuitive engineering. If people paid 200-300 for a KO, then they'd pay 400-500 for the real deal that included a trailer.

Enjoy your shelves, be they Menasor or a Deformation Captain that looks exactly like Menasor but legally isn't. Wussy Hasbro won't even redo Magnaboss or Tripredicus...

Try not to confuse knock-off and third party. The first take an original Hasbro/Takara toy, then either do a straight copy, of remake it with minor or major modifications. The second create their own original molds from scratch inspired by Hasbro/Takara characters.

Everyone involved are in some symbiotic relationship, taking ideas from each others. Yes, even the official Hasbro / Takara get ideas from 3P originals.

And honestly, it's a good thing. It makes the brand grow.

Try not to confuse 3rd party and KO, actually. Examples of 3rd party are licensed products made by external companies like ThreeZero, Flame Toys, Furai and those Micro Machines Transformers from the mid-2000's.

KOs are figures made to fool the consumer into thinking they're buying the real thing. Just because you're buying the KOs on purpose doesn't make them any more justified of a purchase. You bought Deformation Hero Leader because he looks exactly like Optimus Prime. You even have to put a separately purchased faction logo on it so it looks more like the real thing on your shelf.

In over 10 years of Transformers collecting and as a member of this forum, it's the first time I ever saw someone calling an OFFICIAL and LICENSED product made by another company other than Hasbro a "Third Party" thing, plus in one fell swoop throw everything else under the "K.O" label, whenever they are OG designs or not.

You are either completely new to the collecting game, or you never really dabble in 3P collecting. Please explore this forum and create a thread to double-check your notions over THERE. You might be surprised.

Do so before we further get off topic here.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:So we are all in agreement. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't buy it.

But I'm 100% sure the people still saying this set is a combiner are the ones who have already spent hundreds on KOs that work the same way.

Can't blame Hasbro, though. If there's 1 thing KO companies are good for, its highlighting what the more ravenous fans will whale for. That's how MP-44 happened. Just a mess of tiny hinges you finagled into the shape of a robot or a truck without any clever or intuitive engineering. If people paid 200-300 for a KO, then they'd pay 400-500 for the real deal that included a trailer.

Enjoy your shelves, be they Menasor or a Deformation Captain that looks exactly like Menasor but legally isn't. Wussy Hasbro won't even redo Magnaboss or Tripredicus...

Try not to confuse knock-off and third party. The first take an original Hasbro/Takara toy, then either do a straight copy, of remake it with minor or major modifications. The second create their own original molds from scratch inspired by Hasbro/Takara characters.

Everyone involved are in some symbiotic relationship, taking ideas from each others. Yes, even the official Hasbro / Takara get ideas from 3P originals.

And honestly, it's a good thing. It makes the brand grow.

Try not to confuse 3rd party and KO, actually. Examples of 3rd party are licensed products made by external companies like ThreeZero, Flame Toys, Furai and those Micro Machines Transformers from the mid-2000's.

KOs are figures made to fool the consumer into thinking they're buying the real thing. Just because you're buying the KOs on purpose doesn't make them any more justified of a purchase. You bought Deformation Hero Leader because he looks exactly like Optimus Prime. You even have to put a separately purchased faction logo on it so it looks more like the real thing on your shelf.

In over 10 years of Transformers collecting and as a member of this forum, it's the first time I ever saw someone calling an OFFICIAL and LICENSED product made by another company other than Hasbro a "Third Party" thing, plus in one fell swoop throw everything else under the "K.O" label, whenever they are OG designs or not.

You are either completely new to the collecting game, or you never really dabble in 3P collecting. Please explore this forum and create a thread to double-check your notions over THERE. You might be surprised.

Do so before we further get off topic here.

I apologise for demeaning your KO collection. I get that people have views on collecting as varied as individuals' collections themselves.

Just bear in mind the term 3rd party was used because KO was bad for business, the same way 4th party is becoming a more and more common term for straight mold-lifts these days.

They're not for me, but I don't begrudge any collector who'll buy these. I just feel sorry for the people who one day look at their collections and realise there isn't a single Transformer in their transformers collection.

Finally, I don't need to read this whole site to know people have different justifications for buying all-sorts. I also know to take anything you post as a joke as I'm pretty sure you're the guy who posts articles about stolen figures and then tells everybody to not discuss them.