First Look at Card Artwork for Titans Return Slugslinger

RAR wrote:But to be honest those tabs on Optimus have never personally caused me a moments bother.
But why they are designed to overlap rather than sit flush is a bit of a puzzle of the designer's mind.

10:1 one of the designers got lazy and mirror-reversed the cad file for that section of the wing rather than edit it properly to match up with the other side.

These prices are absolutely shameful... ah well, Slugslinger looks cool at least

Kurona wrote:These prices are absolutely shameful... ah well, Slugslinger looks cool at least

Even the voyager prices?

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:These prices are absolutely shameful... ah well, Slugslinger looks cool at least

Even the voyager prices?

The price they had them at originally is absolutely extortionate - the price they're on 'sale' at now is average for a Voyager.
With this and TLK's own price hike I really have to wonder if there's something up with the economy right now I'm not noticing.

My prices are still the same here in Iowa. I stopped by some stores to see if I could find blitzing and Octane and all the pieces are the same as they have been. Even if they go up it's still my choice to buy them. No one is forcing me.

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:These prices are absolutely shameful... ah well, Slugslinger looks cool at least

Even the voyager prices?

The price they had them at originally is absolutely extortionate - the price they're on 'sale' at now is average for a Voyager.
With this and TLK's own price hike I really have to wonder if there's something up with the economy right now I'm not noticing.

"Similar size, similar price. Take the higher of the two, what way we make more moneys! "

If the wings didn't fold up then Takara's Black Convoy would have had wings - laugh.

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The end of the wings is actually very different in the moulding on one wing you have two deep cut out rectangles with a tab and the other side it's just one deep rectangle and one shallow one.

RAR wrote:If the wings didn't fold up then Takara's Black Convoy would have had wings - laugh.

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The end of the wings is actually very different in the moulding on one wing you have two deep cut out rectangles with a tab and the other side it's just one deep rectangle and one shallow one.

I just though they were supposed to be off center. It seems to work just fine for me.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
I just though they were supposed to be off center. It seems to work just fine for me.

When you try to transform him into truck, notice the tabs inside the legs, and the holes on the wings where they're supposed to plug in.
If you keep the wings like this, you cant plug them.

On side is enough it seems.

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:These prices are absolutely shameful... ah well, Slugslinger looks cool at least

Even the voyager prices?

The price they had them at originally is absolutely extortionate - the price they're on 'sale' at now is average for a Voyager.
With this and TLK's own price hike I really have to wonder if there's something up with the economy right now I'm not noticing.

Who knows really, but I'm pretty sure a lot of it is down to the individual retailer. Going off the prices for Transformers in each major store in my area, we have:

- Generations toys at the same price they have been since FoC (except for deluxes, which have gone down by $5 at the start of TR), in all three stores
- TLK Voyagers going for the exact same (non-inflated) price as Gen Voyagers, in the one store that has price tags for that class (none in my area actually have the toys themselves out, though)
- TLK Deluxes going for varying amounts, from $30 in two of the stores ($5 more than current Gen Deluxes,
and the same price as FoC->CW Deluxes) to an extortionate $35 (~$26US!!) in the third.

Based on the wildly-varying Deluxe prices, I do feel fairly confident that there's no economic thing going on, on Hasbro's end at least. I mean I guess the RRP is probably higher on TLK stuff because it has the word "Premier" in front, but aside from that it seems to be entirely just individual stores doing whatever they think they can get away with, in terms of pricing.

Hey! Titan Masters work with the Last Knight Knight Armor Megatron!!!

At first glance, Titans Return Legends Class Cosmos appeared to be the same as his previous release under the Generations line from a few years ago, with the obvious exclusion of his partner Payload. However, upon closer inspection, there were several noteworthy differences that might warrant a second purchase for those of you who are completionists or enjoy collecting variants. The various differences between Titans Return Cosmos and Generations Cosmos are listed below. In addition, we have provided photos that demonstrate these differences (Titans Return Cosmos is on the right hand side of the pictures).

• Darker shade of green
• Lighter shade of yellow
• Head and "neck" piece are molded in red instead of white
• Color of "blue" windows is slightly different
• Color of "blue" eye visor is slightly different
• Forearms are yellow
• Autobot symbol is smaller on right shoulder/arm

Are these differences enough to get you to purchase this figure again? Can't wait to get your hands on this popular release for the first time? Let us know your thoughts in our ongoing Titans Return discussion on Seibertron.com's Energon Pub forums.

Oh, wow. Nice catch on the differences. I guess Hasbro's claims of it being a straight reissue weren't that true after all (or even they didn't know about the differences).

This is pretty neat seeing the two versions so up close. I think the only difference I like better on the newer one is the neck being red instead of white, but I wouldn't call it enough of an improvement to get me to double-dip. Still great for anyone who missed out on the first version, though.

Did TR Cosmos carry over the 5mm peg hole on the bottom of the saucer mode from CW Scrounge?

Since I already have the first release of cosmos, no need for this one. But Seaspray is looking better each time I see him. That one's a must for me.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Did TR Cosmos carry over the 5mm peg hole on the bottom of the saucer mode from CW Scrounge?

Yeah, this. I've been asking about this from the start and the answer was always "Hasbro said it was a straight re-release", but now we know better. It makes sense to use the Scrounge modified body, especially since it appears they had to adjust the mold to do the red neck and yellow forearms.

Emerje

May buy this if I see it in stores cos I never ever saw the Generations version for sale and original G1 Cosmos was one of my very first ever TFs.

Again I would still love it Scrounge got released as a seperate toy. He's the one I have more fondness for the character cos of the Smelting Pool storyline and I have Straxus (or Darkmount, whatever) whereas Cosmos I just have nostalgia for the toy.

Some of the changes to Titans Return Cosmos were actually first done by Takara-Tomy for TAV Cosmos/Adams. Takara's version of this mold also has yellow forearms and a head assembly cast in red plastic instead of white plastic. It would be interesting to see this new Hasbro version side by side with Takara's version to check the greens and yellows. I have a sneaking suspicion that the only difference between TR Cosmos and TAV Adams is down to the paint apps.

Thanks for telling me! i like both of them and i'll get both although i'll have Scrounge long before i get either of these two

Maybe I'm seeing things, but it looks like the grey on his guns (front of the figure in saucer mode) is slightly darker on the TR release as well.

Bounti76 wrote:Maybe I'm seeing things, but it looks like the grey on his guns (front of the figure in saucer mode) is slightly darker on the TR release as well.

Hmm, I think you might be right; it looks a bit that way to me too! As a whole, it seems this Cosmos is just slightly less saturated (I know the written description says the yellow is lighter on the TR one, but the photos look the opposite to me honestly) - and looking at these comparison photos, I like it better that way! I'm very happy to be making this my Generations Cosmos (since the T30 one pretty much didn't exist in Australia, and certainly not near me). The only detail I'd really prefer to have kept from the old one is the larger Autobot symbol on the shoulder, but I'm not too bothered either way, really.

Kinda feel this is a straight-up improvement aside from the Autobot symbol. Though the differences ARE so small that it doesn't quite matter either way.

the more i see of seaspray the more i dislike him

One more thing ... this unfortunate spelling error happened.

ExciKaiser wrote:

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
I just though they were supposed to be off center. It seems to work just fine for me.

When you try to transform him into truck, notice the tabs inside the legs, and the holes on the wings where they're supposed to plug in.
If you keep the wings like this, you cant plug them.

They line up correctly on mine.

Did Hasbro come up with any way for Cosmos to interact with Titan Masters? Or is he the only Legends class figure that lacks even some thin justification for being in the line?

Caelus wrote:Did Hasbro come up with any way for Cosmos to interact with Titan Masters? Or is he the only Legends class figure that lacks even some thin justification for being in the line?

Looks like he's the first to not interact with Titan Masters, yup!

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
They line up correctly on mine.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_8yZjDVwAEK6pK.jpg

You can call me OCD if you want, but no, it's what I was describing. You can't put them in tab of center with everything aligned.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
They line up correctly on mine.

I think the complaint is that they shouldn't have to overlap like that.

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Yes I'd buy Cosmos twice - the colour difference is reason enough.

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Also shouldn't we be seeing something on Titanmaster Optimus/Arcee etc.. by now ?

I guess Hasbro is saving some stuff for the Hasbro show. (unless they decide to send enough people to put a display case at comicon a well - rather than miss it completely - which is really bad marketing if they do.

RAR wrote:

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
They line up correctly on mine.

I think the complaint is that they shouldn't have to overlap like that.

I really think that is the intended design. I don't think it's a mistake. If it was, it wouldn't work at all.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:

I really think that is the intended design. I don't think it's a mistake. If it was, it wouldn't work at all.

Check my pic just above.
If you want I can take a pic of mine with everything absolutely perfectly aligned without the tabs.

RAR wrote:

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
They line up correctly on mine.

I think the complaint is that they shouldn't have to overlap like that.

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Yes I'd buy Cosmos twice - the colour difference is reason enough.

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Also shouldn't we be seeing something on Titanmaster Optimus/Arcee etc.. by now ?

I guess Hasbro is saving some stuff for the Hasbro show. (unless they decide to send enough people to put a display case at comicon a well - rather than miss it completely - which is really bad marketing if they do.

I think it's entirely possible those rumoured Titan Masters are part of the boxsets like Rodimus and Thunderwing. I'm pretty sure rumour lists included now-confirmed Boxset figures without saying they were in a Boxset...

Titans Return Seaspray got a review yesterday from Tformers ENI -

ExciKaiser wrote:

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
They line up correctly on mine.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_8yZjDVwAEK6pK.jpg

You can call me OCD if you want, but no, it's what I was describing. You can't put them in tab of center with everything aligned.

this is voyager Titans Optimus Prime? Aw man i been tempted to get the figure with reprolabels on cos it looks kinda neat that way but i have ocd and those wing things not aligning would bug me like crazy. Actually since the jet mode looks like crap are the wings removable or are they needed for truck mode?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Did TR Cosmos carry over the 5mm peg hole on the bottom of the saucer mode from CW Scrounge?

I am curious about this as well. When you compare Scrounge to T30 Cosmos there is not a whole lot of difference in the bottom section. Scrounge doesn't have a *true* 5mm hole, I think they just shaved off enough plastic on the bottom to make a 5mm peg fit.

I purchased a T30 Cosmos & Payload a few months back for about $10 on eBay. I partnered him with UW Computron the same way that Scrounge is partnered with CW Computron. However because the hole on the underside is *just* not quite wide enough to fit a peg, instead I decided to use Payloads landing gear as a peg and insert it into the 5mm hole on UW Strafe. It looks great as an inverted form shield from what CW Computron has.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Actually since the jet mode looks like crap are the wings removable or are they needed for truck mode?

As long as you only remove the wings. Leave the armatures they're attached to, they fill a gap in the top of the trailer.

We can't hold out forever, Kup, but we can give them one humongous repair bill!!!



I picked up Kup yesterday. He's fantastic. I like him so much better than I thought I would and I take back all the bad stuff I said about him.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:this is voyager Titans Optimus Prime? Aw man i been tempted to get the figure with reprolabels on cos it looks kinda neat that way but i have ocd and those wing things not aligning would bug me like crazy.

Hence the whole debate (I inadvertently launched).

If you snap the little tabs like me :



You can fold everything correctly, 100% aligned:

Please don't encourage people to break their toys.

RAR wrote:Please don't encourage people to break their toys.

Seems like it's being FIXED in this case!

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:Please don't encourage people to break their toys.

Seems like it's being FIXED in this case!

If it's not broken, don't fix it! Honestly, I've had very little trouble getting my TR Voyager Optimus Prime into truck mode. You just have to accept that the wings don't come together symmetrically. It doesn't, for me at least, prevent me from closing up all the panels on the tanker part of the truck, or keep the wheels from aligning correctly, or interfere with the clearance on the bottom. Everything snaps together properly on the outside, it rolls with ease, who cares if the insides or bottom of the truck look a little sloppy? Honestly, I have a lot more trouble getting the arms and shoulders properly situated to form the truck cab than I do with the back end of the truck.

Wolfman Jake wrote:You just have to accept that the wings don't come together symmetrically.

I can barely accept he's even got those wings to begin with. They only exist cos Octane.

Fellow Seibertronian Chuckdawg1999 has done a review of Transformers Titans Return Seaspray. Here is what he has to say about the figure:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Seaspray is an awesome Legends Class figure. The style is very close to the classic G1 character, with updates in the right spots. I can't recommend this figure enough.

Update:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Folks I made a mistake Seaspray CAN hold a Titan Master in Vehicle mode

I can't believe the little panel to hide the face. It's ridiculous.

Folks I made a mistake Seaspray CAN hold a Titan Master in Vehicle mode

Probably one of the best Cosmos figures to date even if it is almost exactly like the Generations one. I still wish he were as pleasingly plump as he is in the G1 cartoon. Ahh well. At least they got the Sharkticon's chub right.

Got me missing my 2010 voyager Seaspray. I have Breachers and no Seaspray. Had the G1 mini-toy too but always thought it was kinda boring. This legends figure looks a good update for fans of it though.

Mine shipped today so I'm looking forward to having him.

ExciKaiser wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:this is voyager Titans Optimus Prime? Aw man i been tempted to get the figure with reprolabels on cos it looks kinda neat that way but i have ocd and those wing things not aligning would bug me like crazy.

Hence the whole debate (I inadvertently launched).

If you snap the little tabs like me :



You can fold everything correctly, 100% aligned:

I'm glad you're happy, but the whole point of them not being lined up is to prevent the parts sticking out from colliding. The way you have it the wings can't lay flat together and everything is bowed out which would bug me a lot more.

Emerje