Generations Power of the Primes Rumour: Exclusive Beast Wars Subline

Makes enough sense to be possible.

The real question is, will said PotP Apeface and Snapdragon have Titan Masters? I'm thinking... yes? Given the nature of the stating of being a retool, then clarifying about the lack of Titan Masters.

Before anyone else asks, yes, the general assumption is that Apeface and Snapdragon will have Titan Masters, and Primal and Megs will be retooled to have normal heads.

MagicDeath wrote:Makes enough sense to be possible.

The real question is, will said PotP Apeface and Snapdragon have Titan Masters? I'm thinking... yes? Given the nature of the stating of being a retool, then clarifying about the lack of Titan Masters.

Maybe they just are already designed to have spaces where heads can remain attached in alt-modes or retool them to have spaces like how some folks have cut into Blurr's shield so he can have his head attached in vehicle mode and forget that toy he's a headmaster.

I'm pretty much done with Titans... and with G1 updates (it's beyond boring now) unless Hasbro/Takara finally gives me the characters I want at the scale I want but that's unlikely. No interest in Beast Wars either. Never liked the show or it's toyline.

Oh, please let this be real! I need more beast wars stuff!

I wonder if that Blackarachnia will be assembled correctly this time.

I hope there's an Optimal Optimus.

Any chance of SDCC reveals or is there still too much Titans Returns in the pipeline?

More beast wars

I believe that it has been confirmed that the first wave of PotP will be revealed at Hascon. Also LEADER Grimlock, has anybody else wanted him in this size class?

Interesting. I wonder how far they'd be willing to go with choosing molds? Would they be willing to repaint Universe Dinobot into BW Grimlock? Or even do a more show accurate repaint of that mold? Doing Optimus and Megatron as Voyagers probably means we can rule out a Hasbro version of Convobat and Megalligator. I can't really think of any other practical uses for the Headmaster animal molds.

I really hope Primal is in Optimal Optimus colors since we should be getting a normal Primal in PotP already. For that matter I hope Megatron is in his dragon colors, though he's going to need wings.

Emerje

Rysquad wrote:I hope there's an Optimal Optimus.

Any chance of SDCC reveals or is there still too much Titans Returns in the pipeline?

I'd be so very down for a Leader class Optimal Optimus. maybe have a face swap gimmick ala t30 blitzwing, so the figure can also double up as Optimal Megatron from the Beast Machines finale.

pretty sure there is only 1 more wave of TR along with the Intelligence and Fireblast boxsets.

8 deluxe and 2 voyagers.
Primal and Megatron would most likely be the 2 voyagers
8 deluxe, 4 maximals 4 predacons?
Cheetor, Tigatron, Airazor, Silverbolt
Terrorsaur, Tarantulas, Blackarachnia, Scorponok

Cheetor and Tigatron could share a single new mold with some creative retooling done to the beast mode proportions
Blackarachnia would just be a us release of the Takara Legends toy
Scorponok as a retool of the RID warrior?

part of me cant help but pine for a potential us release of Beast Wars Metals Jaguar X-9

Holy Celestial spires excuse my language but this sounds of the chain a Beast Wars box set and on another note Grimlock is a leader does that mean the other Dinobots will be voyagers that would be awesome,and proper Apeface and a Snapdragon.

Yeeeeeessssssss...I hope there is a decent amount of retooling done if this is true. More Beast Wars love please.

As cool as it could be to get a new Primal and BW Megatron, the best news here is the upcoming Apeface and Snapdragon. I've been really tempted by the KFC ones, but I'll wait and see what these wind up looking like. Given what we've got from Titans Return, I imagine they're going to be pretty G1ish, which I think also bodes well for any new Beast Wars toys.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

MagicDeath wrote:Makes enough sense to be possible.

The real question is, will said PotP Apeface and Snapdragon have Titan Masters? I'm thinking... yes? Given the nature of the stating of being a retool, then clarifying about the lack of Titan Masters.

Maybe they just are already designed to have spaces where heads can remain attached in alt-modes or retool them to have spaces like how some folks have cut into Blurr's shield so he can have his head attached in vehicle mode and forget that toy he's a headmaster.

I'm pretty much done with Titans... and with G1 updates (it's beyond boring now) unless Hasbro/Takara finally gives me the characters I want at the scale I want but that's unlikely. No interest in Beast Wars either. Never liked the show or it's toyline.

That is the saddest and honestly most pathetic thing I've heard. Cutting up a toy just because they can't handle blurr being a headmaster. That's really depressing.

Our brand new Optimus Primal figure is going to be a remold?

I think that is enough to call "fake".

Just in time for the Beast Wars 20'th year anniversary amirite eh?

Manterax Prime wrote:Our brand new Optimus Primal figure is going to be a remold?

I think that is enough to call "fake".

It's a remold of another ape figure it makes sense and whoever said the toy would be brand new?

Plus what if it's the other way around where Apeface is the remold like we all know how much Hasbro likes to reuse figures to get their moneys worth off the molds.

Likely real then.

Randomhero wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

MagicDeath wrote:Makes enough sense to be possible.

The real question is, will said PotP Apeface and Snapdragon have Titan Masters? I'm thinking... yes? Given the nature of the stating of being a retool, then clarifying about the lack of Titan Masters.

Maybe they just are already designed to have spaces where heads can remain attached in alt-modes or retool them to have spaces like how some folks have cut into Blurr's shield so he can have his head attached in vehicle mode and forget that toy he's a headmaster.

I'm pretty much done with Titans... and with G1 updates (it's beyond boring now) unless Hasbro/Takara finally gives me the characters I want at the scale I want but that's unlikely. No interest in Beast Wars either. Never liked the show or it's toyline.

That is the saddest and honestly most pathetic thing I've heard. Cutting up a toy just because they can't handle blurr being a headmaster. That's really depressing.

I think thats an awesome idea! Maybe it will inspire belzeboss or some other 3rd party to make a shield/head upgrade set to make blurr right. Any ideas for Hot Rod or Kup?

Kinda surprised we're getting Beast Wars at all -- the current design team seems to not know what something is unless it's in some way related to a G1 toy.

I'd love to see a giant combiner Dinobot set... and a giant combiner Predaking set at same scale... plus the remaining missing beast combiners like abominus, dinoking, seacon-guy... etc. Could be a great third 'season' of beast... with beast wars subline to boot.

What about that leaked image of FOC Voyager Grimlock as BW Megatron?

Randomhero wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

MagicDeath wrote:Makes enough sense to be possible.

The real question is, will said PotP Apeface and Snapdragon have Titan Masters? I'm thinking... yes? Given the nature of the stating of being a retool, then clarifying about the lack of Titan Masters.

Maybe they just are already designed to have spaces where heads can remain attached in alt-modes or retool them to have spaces like how some folks have cut into Blurr's shield so he can have his head attached in vehicle mode and forget that toy he's a headmaster.

I'm pretty much done with Titans... and with G1 updates (it's beyond boring now) unless Hasbro/Takara finally gives me the characters I want at the scale I want but that's unlikely. No interest in Beast Wars either. Never liked the show or it's toyline.

That is the saddest and honestly most pathetic thing I've heard. Cutting up a toy just because they can't handle blurr being a headmaster. That's really depressing.

I'm not trying to tell you how to think here, but this isn't that big a deal. I don't think it's that different from customizing a figure: some people just customized out a gimmick they didn't like.
Wasn't there some minor chaos on here a few months back because someone said you don't have to remove Sixshot's Titanmaster for transformation and somebody got upset because the instructions say you have to remove the head?
while the Titanmaster gimmick on a figure like Blur is about as non-obtrusive as it can be, some people don't like it. I mean, feel about it however you feel, but this isn't as bad a thing as our fandom is capable of.

gothsaurus wrote:I'd love to see a giant combiner Dinobot set... and a giant combiner Predaking set at same scale... plus the remaining missing beast combiners like abominus, dinoking, seacon-guy... etc. Could be a great third 'season' of beast... with beast wars subline to boot.

Honestly, I think that might be the 'true' motivation behind the Beast Wars Subline. They KNOW people want a Predaking and Abominus. I think that this is their way of building in retools to make the new molds fiscally feasible. My guess is that we'll get the G1 Predacons, and then a lot of the Beast Wars toys will be light-to-heavy retools of those figures without the combination gimmick.

That being said, I think we'll be getting a Predaking. Maaaaaaybe an Abominus. I was thinking a Dinobot combiner, until I saw "Leader Class Grimlock."

I would be shocked if we got Seacons.

Manterax Prime wrote:Our brand new Optimus Primal figure is going to be a remold?

I think that is enough to call "fake".

As stated a bit earlier, I'm betting it's designed for both, given that both have been expected for some time now.

Also, the Beast Wars thing is because Primal won the Prime vote. It seemed like that hadn't clicked for a few people.

MagicDeath wrote:

Manterax Prime wrote:Our brand new Optimus Primal figure is going to be a remold?

I think that is enough to call "fake".

As stated a bit earlier, I'm betting it's designed for both, given that both have been expected for some time now.

Also, the Beast Wars thing is because Primal won the Prime vote. It seemed like that hadn't clicked for a few people.

I'm well aware of the fact Primal won that vote.
I voted for him.

But I highly doubt he'll be exclusive to Amazon and BBTS as Windblade, Victorion and Trypticon, the subject of the 3 previous fan votes, are not exclusives.

Would it have killed Hasbro to have actually put Apeface and Snapdragon in the line that was all about Headmasters and even had triple-changing Headmasters?

once again hasbro drops the ball, making them online exclusive is a worse idea than making them a store exclusive. Just makes it easier for scalpers & harder for fans, plus with how they did nothing for the 20th anniversary they should throw the beast war fans a bone and do a main line release.

Megatron Wolf wrote:once again hasbro drops the ball, making them online exclusive is a worse idea than making them a store exclusive. Just makes it easier for scalpers & harder for fans, plus with how they did nothing for the 20th anniversary they should throw the beast war fans a bone and do a main line release.

This is a rumor. From 4chan.
Never take those at face value.

Sabrblade wrote:Would it have killed Hasbro to have actually put Apeface and Snapdragon in the line that was all about Headmasters and even had triple-changing Headmasters?

Who says Snapdragon and Apeface aren't going to be the TR Wave 6 Voyagers? We've quite a bit of precedence - especially in Prime Wars - for figures from previous lines being retooled into figures for a new one. Magnus into PMOP, Jetfire into Seekers, etc.

Kurona wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Would it have killed Hasbro to have actually put Apeface and Snapdragon in the line that was all about Headmasters and even had triple-changing Headmasters?

Who says Snapdragon and Apeface aren't going to be the TR Wave 6 Voyagers? We've quite a bit of precedence - especially in Prime Wars - for figures from previous lines being retooled into figures for a new one. Magnus into PMOP, Jetfire into Seekers, etc.

That's actually a really great point. Let's say that the 4chan person is actually reliable- it could be meant to say TR Apeface and Snapdragon, but the person simply wrote it wrong. Happens here all the time

Kurona wrote:Kinda surprised we're getting Beast Wars at all -- the current design team seems to not know what something is unless it's in some way related to a G1 toy.

But once again they get the shaft by not being part of the mainline and made up of just redecos and retools. Tankor got better than that, why cant more important characters.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Kinda surprised we're getting Beast Wars at all -- the current design team seems to not know what something is unless it's in some way related to a G1 toy.

But once again they get the shaft by not being part of the mainline and made up of just redecos and retools. Tankor got better than that, why cant more important characters.

Again, 4chan rumor.

Massive amounts of salt required.

Manterax Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Kinda surprised we're getting Beast Wars at all -- the current design team seems to not know what something is unless it's in some way related to a G1 toy.

But once again they get the shaft by not being part of the mainline and made up of just redecos and retools. Tankor got better than that, why cant more important characters.

Again, 4chan rumor.

Massive amounts of salt required.

While 4chan has certainly spread false information in the past, there have also been a number of times where the info was absolutely correct. I don't know if you remember, but remember when 4chan had a picture of Powercore Combiner Huffer, only the card art, and this picture was accompanied by a totally accurate description of the entire line, months before it was formally debuted?
Salt, yes. Massive amounts, not likely.

so, anything on 4chan can be news? anyone can post anything on there with no sources.

Doubledealer93 wrote:so, anything on 4chan can be news? anyone can post anything on there with no sources.

Potentially. But that doesn't mean every unfounded thing posted there will prove true.

Sabrblade wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:so, anything on 4chan can be news? anyone can post anything on there with no sources.

Potentially. But that doesn't mean every unfounded thing posted there will prove true.

Yeah, this was essentially what I meant. As incredibly stupid as this sounds, considering it is a defense of 4chan, it's not like everything that comes from there is or has been proven wrong. While they certainly do produce more than their share of BS, they are also correct often enough that saying "this is most likely incorrect" is not really correct itself. Sometimes they're wrong, sometimes they're right; sometimes they're just making things up. Not every unfounded report will prove true, nor will they all automatically prove false.
But in the grand scheme of things, Seibertron.com has also occasionally reported or presented information that turned out to be incorrect or totally made up*, so none of us are perfect. 4chan's figure list doesn't seem so impossible or unlikely, given what Titans Return as a line focused on character and gimmick wise, so I think an outright dismissal of the 4chan list is a bit premature.

EDIT: *guess I should add a "without knowing" or "unintentionally" to that before someone gets all crazy and thinks I'm an asshole, again.

Sounds interesting.
I'm guessing we'll get;
*Cheetor
*Rattrap
*Dinobot
*Rhinox
*Scorponok
*Terrorsaur
*Tarantulas
*Blackarachnia
I'm more excited for POTP Main line. Snapdragon and Apeface will get Voyagers and Grimlock a Leader. I hope we get more Dinobots, Star Saber, Dai Atlas, and a few Primes but maybe some of that's wishful thinking.

I have given the idea of a Beast Wars Subline some thought and yes I'm fine with general Beast Wars like stuff - for example if at some point in the future they were to make Original Mechaniodal Beast and brand them as such -I'd not mind - as it could be shown as not the "actual" Beast Wars but more like the Beast Planet in Transformers Cybertron.

I'm fine with that but also something decorated like Cybertron Snarl (perhaps using the Wolfwire mould suit me well too.

Perhaps also taking some inspiration from the Like of Thunderhoof in RID-201X and developing them into Beast Wars style Characters too.

Alpha Trion as Nemesis Breaker / Black Lio Prime or Galva Lio Convoy would be terrific - but frankly I'd rather like to keep the Titan Master on that one.

The idea of removing them at all to me is a disadvantage as it fits the theme just fine to keep them I feel.

The Beast Wars sub-line they want to make isn't likely to include much of actual Beast Wars toys.

But if they did find the mould are still usable on some here is some ideals that would appeal to me.

Tigertron in Airazor (or orange Tiger Colours / bit of both)
Fuzors in the opposite animal colours (where appropriate)
The Heralds of Unicron (Armada style) in Unicron/Cheetor colours - and likewise the Blendtrons.
A Universe style version of Rampage to match the Universe Depth Charge (possibly in some sort of dark imperial colours) .

I don't mind general repaints on the animal Titans Returns toys as the likes of say Leo Breaker too.

Doubledealer93 wrote:so, anything on 4chan can be news? anyone can post anything on there with no sources.

As someone who does browse 4-chan while looking for rumors for movies/games I can say that while it's common to find lies it's not exactly rare for someone to be telling the truth when it comes to leaks.

SG Roadbuster wrote:Scorponok as a retool of the RID warrior?

I'm all for this. As much as I like the Paralon version of the figure I'd be perfectly fine with an even more Scorponok-y repaint of the mold.

Manterax Prime wrote:But I highly doubt he'll be exclusive to Amazon and BBTS as Windblade, Victorion and Trypticon, the subject of the 3 previous fan votes, are not exclusives.

For a bunch of reasons I'm 100% positive that if this news is accurate this is a different Primal figure from the one in the voting. First off that is for a Beast Wars line and the poll was for a Power of the Primes figure. Then there's the fact that the version shown in the poll was for the furry original Primal while an Apeface retool would have to be based on a Transmetal version. And finally the Primal from the poll is supposed to be a major part of the PotP story line, they aren't just going to shuffle him off to be an exclusive somewhere. And before anyone can say they wouldn't do Primal twice at the same time, they did just that during the 10th Anniversary when they did the Ultra repaint with Megatron as well as the new mold Deluxe which was also used in the Cybertron line. All three the same year.

Megatron Wolf wrote:once again hasbro drops the ball, making them online exclusive is a worse idea than making them a store exclusive. Just makes it easier for scalpers & harder for fans, plus with how they did nothing for the 20th anniversary they should throw the beast war fans a bone and do a main line release.

I'm the other way, I'm grateful this is potentially an online exclusive, there are so many benefits to it. Online exclusives tend to linger longer than they do in stores, stores only get a small allotment at a time and don't always restock when they're gone so you have to move fast. Stores don't usually let you pre-order or hold your figures, but Amazon and BBTS will. Plus not all of us have ready access to a local store, but we can all go online.

Emerje

If this is true, I'm not sure how I feel about it. It's always good to get more Beast Wars figures, while I don't mind them being online exclusives, it would be a shame if there were no original moulds. That being said, as others have said in this thread, I'd be down for a BW Scorponok from the Robots in Disguise Warrior mould. Not to mention I like the sound of that Leader Grimlock the 4Chan post mentions.

So I had been thinking about PotP and the potential beast combiners that are rumored. We all know that Hasbro pretty much needs to retool/repaint characters to make it work. So the beast combiners we have are:

Predacons (Predaking)
Terrorcons (Abominus)
Seacons (Piranacon)
Pretender Monsters (Monstructor)

I am going to (partially) leave the Pretender Monsters out for now, since they might be more difficult (6 same size bots).

Predacons:
Razorclaw - Lion
Headstrong - Rhino
Rampage - Tiger
Tantrum - Water Buffalo
Divebomb - Eagle

Terrorcons:
Hun-Grr - Two Headed Dragon
Blot - Mole Monster
Sinnertwin - Two Headed Dragon
Cutthroat - Hawk Monster
Rippersnapper - Limbed Shark

Seacons:
Snaptrap - Snapping Turtle
Nautilator - Lobster Thing
Overbite - Limbed Shark
Seawing - Manta Ray
Skalor - Limbed Coelacanth
Tentakil - Walking Squid


Let's assume that the Predacons will be the typical 5 bot team (1 Voyager, 4 deluxe) as well, since I highly doubt we would see a 5 Voyager or larger team any time soon.

Voyager Molds
Razorclaw
Hun-Grr
Snaptrap

Deluxe Molds
Divebomb->Cutthroat - this one is pretty simple I think, you would just swap color palettes and remold the bird beak for each
TR Weirdwolf->Rampage - Aside from switching it to a CW-style port and head, and switching the wolf head for a tigerhead, not much else is needed, oh maybe updating the legs to be blocker and connectable so it can be an arm
Headstrong->Tantrum - These two are close enough that one could be a retool of the other, just swap the beast head and bot head, change out weapons, etc.

At this point, we have filled out Predaking, only using 2 unique molds. We have also started on Abominus

Rippersnapper->Overbite->Skalor - These 3 basically transform into the same creature. Rippersnapper could be the base version, with more curved beast mode, and overbite and skalor would just be slight retools. Maybe Skalor could be mostly a repaint of Rippersnapper to keep things simpler.

Blot - This is a tough one, the only thing I can think with Blot is that he could be a precursor to some of the Pretender Monsters. Specifically Slog, Scowl, or Icepick since they all have similar beast modes

Doublecross->Sinnertwin - Much like Weirdwolf, I think this mold can lend itself to becoming a CW-style character with minimal alterations.

*Option B: Rampage->Sinnertwin - New model with Rampage as the base model, and Sinnertwin being the second use, swapping out the Tiger head for 2 dragon heads.

Abominus is now completed, with 2 new molds, both of which can be reused.

Piranacon is probably the most difficult. Let's see...
We already have Overbite and Skalor.
Nautilator->Tentakil - Basically we will start by creating Nautilator. Tentakil could share the transformation, and turn the legs into tentacles, and the pincers become Feet. Basically flip Nautilator upside down in beast mode to create the Squid mode.
CW Strafe->Seawing - Adjust the wings to be the manta fins, remove the guns and make the front a face.

Now, as a bonus, how could we create Monstructor:

Let's take some liberties with size...
Wildfly from Divebomb/Cutthroat - this one was obvious
Scowl and Icepick as simple retools of Blot - since they are just limbs it would just be simple panel reshaping, no engineering adjustments.
Bristleback could be another Rampage retool, or a retool of Headstrong/Tantrum - Either way works.

Birdbrain and Slog are typically the torso. Birdbrain is an Alce (wingless griffin), so this lends itself as a retool of Razorclaw. I think it should be a bit more extensive of a retool. Removes the combiner head, and opens up so that Slog can form the head/upper torso.

Slog would be a big retool of Blot where, instead of the combiner peg, he houses the combiner head, and becomes an upper torso to Birdbrain.

The other thing I could see as a possible way for Monstructor to exist would be a new intermediate size class between Deluxe and Voyager. Sell Slog and Birdbrain as a 2 pack at Leader price.

Or, Birdbrain is a moderate retool of Razorclaw, and Slog gets relegated to Legends class as a torso.

In terms of likelihood of happening in the PotP line I am thinking:
Predacons - Highly likely
Terrorcons - Moderately likely
Piranacon - Maybe only as a box set
Monstructor - Unlikely, and only as a box set

I've been thinking the same thing!

The twist I can see on what you've lined out is the missing Dinobots. They've skipped them for the last few toy lines, and being such popular characters — and after seeing fan combiner modes on various forums — I can see them shoe-horning a new combiner into the mix with this series. Those could contribute to the various re-tools, not to mention a retool/repaint into Dinoking. (could be a few simple add-ons for add on weapons to get them more in line with the cartoon look ... and new robot heads, of course.)

This thought makes Monstructor much more likely in my book. I'd see Dinoking being a Japan only exclusive, and a Dinobot combiner and Monstructor being geared for USA release.

I would like to see an all-voyager G1 Predacon group. It would make Predaking bigger than the traditional gestalts but still smaller than Devastator.

I guess it's too much to ask that we get scale-accurate Dinobots.

I'd fall of my chair in shock if they made a leader class Sludge/Slog.

They could do Swoop as a Deluxe though.

There was a substantiated rumor that we were getting a leader Grimlock. Really I think I would have rather had Sludge be the big one of the team, but here's hoping we can get some teams like that. I'd love the same for dinos and preds... Leader plus 4 voyagers for a great upscaled combiner almost as big as Devy.

No one says that we won't get multiple Leader sized Dinobots. Maybe PotP has 2 Leader Dinobots and 3 Voyagers. And then the boxset exclusive dinobot could be Leader Paddles!

I loves me some Paddles!!!

Looks like Power of the Primes is going to be revealed at SDCC now. From the schedule website:

Hasbro: Transformers
Get your Transformers collector action on as you get an exclusive glimpse at the latest and greatest toys that have yet to hit shelves from the Transformers: Generations Power of the Primes product line. Also, go behind the scenes of the Transformers: The Last Knight film line and the movie Masterpiece Collection. The Transformers team members will also host a Q&A session to answer your burning questions.
Thursday July 20, 2017 11:00am - 12:00pm
Room 25ABC

That's a nice surprise, I was expecting SDCC to just be Titans Rturn Wave 6, and everything related to Power of the Primes would be saved for Hascon, but it looks like we won't have to wait as long.

I'm not surprised we're going to see power of the primes stuff. I just don't think we'll see a lot of it. Personally I think we're going to see the final wave of Titans return, official reveal of the clones 2 pack, the fate of the other 2 box sets, MPM-05, half a wave of potp, and probably another silhouette a la overlord.

I'm glad they're doing a Q&A this time. A lot of fun speculation happens after those.