Image of Studio Series Bonecrusher Undocumented Decapitation Feature

william-james88 wrote:Movie-verse Optimus Prime knows to go for the head, as seen in many occasions where the fight ends in decapitation or faces getting ripped off or heads exploding. And now, you can recreate one of his first onscreen decapitations with a pretty cool feature on Transformers Studio Series voyager Bonecrusher. Bonecrusher's face is purposefully removable. It lifts right off the balljoint connector. The eyes are still connected to the balljoint connector, so be sure to take some care when removing it so that you don't damage the eye pieces. Thanks to Seibertronians Carnivius Prime and Evasionmodebumblebee, we were made aware of this and got an image to show you since even though the toy has been out for a while, many were not aware of this feature.

Ah cool but no need to credit me. I just got the info off TFWiki but couldn't find images of it and I still don't yet own the figure myself. Thanks to EMB for the quick figure pic though so I could see what it's like. And yeah it's a lil extra feature.

This has been documented on the wiki for months

Randomhero wrote:This has been documented on the wiki for months

Yeah I did mention that in the first post about it. It's just still not common knowledge apparently that the figure does that and I had not seen it before and talking to a lot of the people I follow on twitter and instagram and such they weren't aware either even many of them owning the figure. So it's nice to know.

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In addition to birthday money I got, I also won £30 on lottery last night. Maybe I should use some and finally get Boney.

Randomhero wrote:This has been documented on the wiki for months

no pics though

Bonecrusher's true face.. That rectuangular hole looks like a mouth.

I still don’t think this is an actual feature. It’s more like “this is how the head is assembled isn’t it kinda like how he dies in the movies?” Especially since if you’re not careful you can break the eyes taking it off. Once I got bonecrusher I did this and it felt more like I was just disassembling my toy. Especially considering there’s no detail like say that Fallen toy where there’s bits and a skull under behind the face

But why have the head assembled that way? Seems like a bit more trouble then needed.

ZeroWolf wrote:But why have the head assembled that way? Seems like a bit more trouble then needed.

Yeah with the eyes like that it's similar to how they assemble heads that have light piping in but this doesn't, and those tend to have a screw go through so you can't easily just take it off without unscrewing. Again this doesn't. So to me this seems designed to be removable as a nice lil easter egg to his death.

Unfortunately I won't be getting DOTM Prime in time, so I'll be working on painting/modding it around Christmas later this year.

However, I did have something else arrrive!

"Ironhide, catch!"

"Wha-"

*THUD*

I'm working on adding some paint, but I'm having a blast with the new parts!




I mainly got the kit for the rifles, but the other parts are also very welcome. The only issue I'm having with it is that the back of the truck doesn't want to tab together anymore, so I'll have to look more into that.

That sequence of photos made me smile. Particularly the 'thud' one.
Had that set for a while now. Before most people actually. Cos an eBay listing Buy It Now appeared with it already attached to an Ironhide so I leapt on it and it turned out to be the very exact one I had actually watched a review of just a few days before. It was youtuber Benscollectables' Ironhide. It was still complete with box and all that (with the old parts now in the DNA box). I swapped which parts I needed with my own Ironhide that I had painted some parts on then sold the spare un-DNA'd Ironhide on eBay and kept my lovely improved one. The front bumper really makes a world of difference to his shape and more dynamic posing. The guns and improved articulation in feet are all great but it was the bumper that I so very much wanted.

But in the movie, he takes his whole head off, not just part of the face.

kinda wished i'd never said antyhing now. Didn't expect it to go on this much. Just wanted a pic of what TFwiki had written.

Anyways I'm off for an early night cos I'm getting up early tomorrow on my birthday to go wait outside at 5:30am for my lift to airport to fly up to the Edinburgh Fringe for a day and night to go spend the day with my am dram group who are up there performing a couple shows. Hm, there's a Forbidden Planet in Edinburgh and it's right close to the castle I'll be going to on the Tuesday morning. Hopefully they'll have some Transformers I be looking for.

Anyways take care, folks. And enjoy your Transformers. til all are one and such.


GoodBay!

Happy birthday for tomorrow! Hope you have a fun time in Edinburgh (fantastic place) and good luck on the hunt.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:kinda wished i'd never said antyhing now. Didn't expect it to go on this much. Just wanted a pic of what TFwiki had written.

Went ahead this morning and added a reference link to the original source for that tidbit on Bonecrusher's Wiki page.

Didn't know someone had actually added it to the page. Had I known, I would have added the source link a long time ago.

Asepticon wrote:But in the movie, he takes his whole head off, not just part of the face.

Prime stabs him under his chin straight thru/upwards so it's a face removal rather than a straight up decapitation from the looks of it.

blackeyedprime wrote:

Asepticon wrote:But in the movie, he takes his whole head off, not just part of the face.

Prime stabs him under his chin straight thru/upwards so it's a face removal rather than a straight up decapitation from the looks of it.

Having watched the film several times and the clip just now I can say it was most if not all of the head, most apparent when Bonecrusher's head falls down it looks mostly whole and spherical and it rolls.

I don't think his head would be rolling if it was a face decapitation.

Scored Hightower today and what an awesome ugly little bot. I love this thing it reminds me of Zod from GoBots for some reason. He’s like a twisted little scorpion. And Devastator is going to be enormous. Wow.

Unless there’s a scene I’m forgetting this is probably a sign to take it easy on SS faces...how does this just happen when we’re talking about faces???

Stargrave wrote:Unless there’s a scene I’m forgetting this is probably a sign to take it easy on SS faces...how does this just happen when we’re talking about faces???

Long Haul got the same treatment somewhere in the movie I can't remember: supposedly that's how Igor was made

Randomhero wrote:I still don’t think this is an actual feature. It’s more like “this is how the head is assembled isn’t it kinda like how he dies in the movies?” Especially since if you’re not careful you can break the eyes taking it off. Once I got bonecrusher I did this and it felt more like I was just disassembling my toy. Especially considering there’s no detail like say that Fallen toy where there’s bits and a skull under behind the face

Yeah, I don't really buy it. By this logic, hundreds of figures have undocumented features for removable arms, legs, heads, wings etc.

Has anyone gotten their hands on SS-44 and tried hooking the trailer up to SS-38? If so, I'd like to see pictures.

I'm not sure I want to drop $50 on em accessory, but i don't have any other Bayverse Primes, so it wouldn't be a total waste.

If Bonecrusher's head really was intentionally removable as a feature then why did they not have the eyes be part of the head?

it's not even accurate, you might as well take the whole head off the ball joint instead for more accuracy.

That Long Haul above kinda proves it's unintentional.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Long Haul got the same treatment somewhere in the movie I can't remember: supposedly that's how Igor was made

Well yes but actually no.

He's never decapitated in ROTF although he is shot in the shoulder during the bombing run by a missile and loses a shoulder tire which might of made his head come off loose but otherwise he's not shown being decapitated.


In DOTM while Igor is by all means and intentions a sentient decapitated Long Haul head (whether the same as the ROTF one is unknown) it's not really said in the movie itself, just vague details in the novel adaption and concept art.




The Garbage Truck Decepticon (who I have the head canon is actually Onslaught before he lost one of his arms and took a new alternate mode for hiding) isn't shown getting decapitated and neither is the straight up Long Haul clone in Chicago which in my head canon is Igor who got his head reattached for the battle, explains his disappearance away and explains a Long Haul clone.

Onslaught however is straight up decapitated though


I know head canon's aren't official or anything but their just theories to explain stuff away by linking things together that will otherwise be unlikely to be officially answered.


Anyways there's no point for an Igor homage with Longhaul because we already got a pretty accurate looking Igor figure with Leader DOTM Megatron

The problem is that why bother building the heads the way they have then? It's not standard construction as they wouldn't need to be removable (the head would just be one piece of plastic, or two halves held together by a screw)

An alternate idea is that one of the designers wants Optimus Prime to be able to build up a face collection in preparation for a future Fallen figure either way this is a fun thing so I don't know why people can't just let it lie

ZeroWolf wrote:The problem is that why bother building the heads the way they have then? It's not standard construction as they wouldn't need to be removable (the head would just be one piece of plastic, or two halves held together by a screw)

An alternate idea is that one of the designers wants Optimus Prime to be able to build up a face collection in preparation for a future Fallen figure either way this is a fun thing so I don't know why people can't just let it lie

Who says it wasn't a new type of construction they were trying?

There were better ways to achieve that effect if it was intentional, that and the whole breaking eye thing casts doubt it's intentional.

There isn't any problem if people want to use this for that purpose but the discussion is whether this is an intentional feature or just a side effect for the construction of the figure.

I don't think Hasbro really cares if they're specifically decapitated or just have their faces removed in the movies. By making the faces removable it spares the ball joint from wearing out, or worse, breaking. Leaving the eyes behind just makes them easier to paint, and they don't really look like eyes on their own anyway and it makes the faces look properly lifeless.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:I don't think Hasbro really cares if they're specifically decapitated or just have their faces removed in the movies. By making the faces removable it spares the ball joint from wearing out, or worse, breaking. Leaving the eyes behind just makes them easier to paint, and they don't really look like eyes on their own anyway and it makes the faces look properly lifeless.

Emerje

I agree, the only way we'll ever know for sure is if the question was put to the studio series designers.

@Deadput it's okay to say that there's other ways to do it, but it doesn't change the point that this method is an inefficient way to construct a head. There's no point I can see, no benefit, to having the head built this way compared to normal style

This a pretty cool addition to this figure. I didn't know about it.. but good to know. So now I'm wondering if the SS Battle Damage Megatron's arm comes off since his face is damaged and there are hidden features like this face coming off.. that totally would make the Megatron figure more worth getting in my opinion.

Does anyone know if that's possible on the SS Battle Damage Megatron?

ZeroWolf wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't think Hasbro really cares if they're specifically decapitated or just have their faces removed in the movies. By making the faces removable it spares the ball joint from wearing out, or worse, breaking. Leaving the eyes behind just makes them easier to paint, and they don't really look like eyes on their own anyway and it makes the faces look properly lifeless.

Emerje

I agree, the only way we'll ever know for sure is if the question was put to the studio series designers.

@Deadput it's okay to say that there's other ways to do it, but it doesn't change the point that this method is an inefficient way to construct a head. There's no point I can see, no benefit, to having the head built this way compared to normal style

Lightpiping maybe? If it wasn't for just the pupils being translucent (in addition to other parts that may impact other modes), I'd say that's a possibility.

I feel it gives it some depth I mean Long Haul’s chest piece seems to be glued on and it gives me that multi-layered multiple paneled feel of the movie bots. The assembly and paint treatments give attention to the crevices and details like that. At least that I’ve noticed.

It’s like they’ve layered complexity over simplicity which ultimately seems more in line with the aesthetic than the previous toys that were trying to be both hyper complex and hyper detailed.

From the back in robot mode Rampage looks super simple then from the front he’s a hyper detailed murder machine on a pogo stick.

FrankTheJohnson wrote:This a pretty cool addition to this figure. I didn't know about it.. but good to know. So now I'm wondering if the SS Battle Damage Megatron's arm comes off since his face is damaged and there are hidden features like this face coming off.. that totally would make the Megatron figure more worth getting in my opinion.

Does anyone know if that's possible on the SS Battle Damage Megatron?

The arm is attached via a mushroom peg I think, so it should be pretty easily removable.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't think Hasbro really cares if they're specifically decapitated or just have their faces removed in the movies. By making the faces removable it spares the ball joint from wearing out, or worse, breaking. Leaving the eyes behind just makes them easier to paint, and they don't really look like eyes on their own anyway and it makes the faces look properly lifeless.

Emerje

I agree, the only way we'll ever know for sure is if the question was put to the studio series designers.

@Deadput it's okay to say that there's other ways to do it, but it doesn't change the point that this method is an inefficient way to construct a head. There's no point I can see, no benefit, to having the head built this way compared to normal style

Lightpiping maybe? If it wasn't for just the pupils being translucent (in addition to other parts that may impact other modes), I'd say that's a possibility.

I would like to think that sometime during production these experienced designers would have noticed that the part with the eyes on it is right up against they're hunchbacked body and there's no possible way for it to draw light and never would have let it go that far into the process. Plus it's not like any other light piped figures have readily removable faces, they're always screwed or glued on. The two guys that have their heads removed in the movies have their faces removable on their figures, that can't be a coincidence.

Emerje

If the faces being removable were intended in the sense of displaying the figure without the face, I would expect there to be at least some trivial amount of sculpted detail underneath, since Hasbro/Takara seem to put at least small details in every surface meant to be normally visible, but instead, it's just a smooth slab of plastic aside from the eyes poking up. However, that is exactly like Bumblebee movie Bumblebee, who had swappable faces.

-cough-

https://twitter.com/peaugh/status/1160624080359481345?s=21


Did you guys know that Hasbro and Takara knew starscreams fate in the movie years before it happened and hid it in the toy!? It’s true!!!

As peaughs tweet shows, you can disassemble him and recreate the scene where Galvatron blasts Starscream to pieces! Talk about foreshadowing!!!

Also did you guys know that Siege shockwaves arm is on a mushroom peg making it easy to pull off recreating the scene in IDW when his gun arm was removed! What an amazing undocumented feature!!!

Aren't all the limbs designed to be easy to pull off and reattach, so they don't break when excess force is used? I think it's a safety feature for when kids play too rough with their toys this head thing though, is very inefficient to me when the entire head construct would just be two halves screwed together on a peg.

As I said earlier though, only way to one hundred percent put this to bed would be to ask about it

Unless a designer comes out and says it then I refuse to believe that this was intentional and is not news worthy and that the shark was jumped on the assumption that it was intentional.

If it was just on Bonecrusher then maybe but it's on Long Haul as well who was never seen getting decapitated, unless their planning on retooling him into Onslaught then I only think this is a coincidence, and who knows what other figures have this feature?

Their heads are on balljoints in the first place and you need to put in effort to take the faces off anyways, it doesn't make sense especially since in the movies Bonecusher's whole head was lost not just his face, and even in the case of Igor/Onslaught it was whole heads and not faces.

A lot of Transformers have removable faces/heads that disassemble that allow the eyes to be painted independently from the rest of the face. Beast Hunters Bumblebee and SS Starscream are a couple examples that I've worked with, I'm sure Bonecrusher is in the same boat. They are usually secured by screws, But I'm guessing the unique way Bonecrusher's head attaches to his torso prevented a screw from being used.


Anyway, here's the Autobot group shot I mentioned a little ways back!

End of the day, what's the harm in believing its intentional? Let those who wish to believe, believe. If it allows them to get even more enjoyment out of the figure then so be it.

Thats a nice group shot EvasionModeBumblebee!

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:A lot of Transformers have removable faces/heads that disassemble that allow the eyes to be painted independently from the rest of the face. Beast Hunters Bumblebee and SS Starscream are a couple examples that I've worked with, I'm sure Bonecrusher is in the same boat. They are usually secured by screws, But I'm guessing the unique way Bonecrusher's head attaches to his torso prevented a screw from being used.


Anyway, here's the Autobot group shot I mentioned a little ways back!

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That's a great group shot including some of the best movie Autobots, add Dino in there and it's the perfect Autobot roster to me.

What are you using for Evac's shoulder minigun? It looks good.

The amount of Snark in here gave me a headache.

I'm looking forward to Long Haul. I think he might be my most anticipated SS figure for the wave, followed by Dropkick and Hightower. Not sure if I'll get Drift yet.

And this also means that there are only 3 or 4 bots left who can dethrone Rampage as my SS figure of the year

ZeroWolf wrote:Thats a nice group shot EvasionModeBumblebee!

Deadput wrote:That's a great group shot including some of the best movie Autobots, add Dino in there and it's the perfect Autobot roster to me.

What are you using for Evac's shoulder minigun? It looks good.

Thanks, guys!

I agree, Dino would be an awesome addition! I’m hoping we’ll see him and a bunch of other DOTM characters in 2021 for the 10th anniversary of the movie.

Evac’s minigun is actually made of the ball joint/clip piece from HFTD Breacher’s gun and an arm from this guy, one of the PCC minicons.


Here’s a better view of it:


Speaking of Evac, I wonder if we could see an update of him to go with the new exclusive Megatron? Probably not a new mold, but possibly with a new paint scheme since the CG model is blue/black while the toy has a blue/green deco.

I doubt we'll see a newly painted Evac, but dang if he isn't a fun little mold himself. I love the ride and Evac! Great stuff

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Thanks, guys!

I agree, Dino would be an awesome addition! I’m hoping we’ll see him and a bunch of other DOTM characters in 2021 for the 10th anniversary of the movie.

Evac’s minigun is actually made of the ball joint/clip piece from HFTD Breacher’s gun and an arm from this guy, one of the PCC minicons.

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Here’s a better view of it:

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Speaking of Evac, I wonder if we could see an update of him to go with the new exclusive Megatron? Probably not a new mold, but possibly with a new paint scheme since the CG model is blue/black while the toy has a blue/green deco.

Huh I have both of those pieces actually, didn't recognize them because they were painted.

Thanks for the images again Evac looks good.

I think 2021 would be a good year to get the rest of the DOTM characters, hopefully including a proper Crankcase.

I'd like to see them tackle the other Dinobots, didn't really care much for the DotM movie, so don't have much of a connection to its cast. Other then what toys I've handled from the toyline of course, like Lazerbeak

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Unfortunately I won't be getting DOTM Prime in time, so I'll be working on painting/modding it around Christmas later this year.

However, I did have something else arrrive!

"Ironhide, catch!"

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"Wha-"

intro2.jpg

*THUD*

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I'm working on adding some paint, but I'm having a blast with the new parts!

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I mainly got the kit for the rifles, but the other parts are also very welcome. The only issue I'm having with it is that the back of the truck doesn't want to tab together anymore, so I'll have to look more into that.

doesn't that require a pin-tap to get that bumper off? how exactly does one go about that (if you don't have a tool)?

SpikeyTigertron wrote:doesn't that require a pin-tap to get that bumper off? how exactly does one go about that (if you don't have a tool)?

Yes, but the kit comes with one. The only difficult part was making sure that the new bumper lined up with the pin (I actually took the screws out of the torso to make sure I had the parts lined up), but it really only took a few minutes.
Before the kit, I used a really thin screwdriver as a substitute, and it worked pretty well.

Pretty sure you broke him

ZeroWolf wrote:I'd like to see them tackle the other Dinobots, didn't really care much for the DotM movie, so don't have much of a connection to its cast. Other then what toys I've handled from the toyline of course, like Lazerbeak

I'm really surprised we have not gotten another attempt at Strafe or Slug. those are really the only 2 we need

Well since it's the same figure as the SS ROTF Megatron, I'll check out that one to determineif it is.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I'd like to see them tackle the other Dinobots, didn't really care much for the DotM movie, so don't have much of a connection to its cast. Other then what toys I've handled from the toyline of course, like Lazerbeak

I'm really surprised we have not gotten another attempt at Strafe or Slug. those are really the only 2 we need

I'd love a new Scorn/rerelease of the TLK Scorn. Preferably a new leader class one so beast mode can be bigger than Grimlock's, but a smaller robot mode

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I'd like to see them tackle the other Dinobots, didn't really care much for the DotM movie, so don't have much of a connection to its cast. Other then what toys I've handled from the toyline of course, like Lazerbeak

I'm really surprised we have not gotten another attempt at Strafe or Slug. those are really the only 2 we need

I'd love a new Scorn/rerelease of the TLK Scorn. Preferably a new leader class one so beast mode can be bigger than Grimlock's, but a smaller robot mode

Scorn was basically perfect. That was an incredible toy