Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Kup, Hot Rod, Scourge, Dinosaurer, Sharkticon

but those are pics of Hasbro's Hot Rod and Kup with Takara's retooled parts (unpainted) showing what they've changed?

Carnivius_Prime wrote:but those are pics of Hasbro's Hot Rod and Kup with Takara's retooled parts (unpainted) showing what they've changed?

Yep. They're the Hasbro versions with prototypes of the retooled Takara parts.

So Takara's Hot Rod doesn't have the flipping hood section, is that what I'm seeing with the retool here?

And if so, it's only for the sake of cartoon accuracy?

I just ask because I'm confused as to why Takara would want to retool Hot Rod at all, especially over what seems to be a really small detail. I get why they did it with Kup, because at least his silhouette is altered a bit, but it's not as though Hot Rod has elbows that can only b be sideways.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:So Takara's Hot Rod doesn't have the flipping hood section, is that what I'm seeing with the retool here?

And if so, it's only for the sake of cartoon accuracy?

I just ask because I'm confused as to why Takara would want to retool Hot Rod at all, especially over what seems to be a really small detail. I get why they did it with Kup, because at least his silhouette is altered a bit, but it's not as though Hot Rod has elbows that can only b be sideways.

Yeah, I don't like their retooled Hot Rod. The hood doesn't integrate into the chest as well, and while I get why they made the engine switch around for robot mode, they didn't replace it with a collar or anything. It's just a flat blank plate. At least put a logo there or something.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:So Takara's Hot Rod doesn't have the flipping hood section, is that what I'm seeing with the retool here?

And if so, it's only for the sake of cartoon accuracy?

I just ask because I'm confused as to why Takara would want to retool Hot Rod at all, especially over what seems to be a really small detail. I get why they did it with Kup, because at least his silhouette is altered a bit, but it's not as though Hot Rod has elbows that can only b be sideways.

Hot Rodimus' chest is retooled for two reasons:

1) the engine can now be flipped back, making him more accurate to the original toy and cartoon appearance (the engine on the chest thing is new since his Classics toy of 2006).
2) the engine has a 5mm port for the new-mold Targetmaster, to call back to his Targetmaster toy and TFC reissue.

Note the hood is clear plastic.

:EDIT: Upon closer inspection of the Targetmasters: definitely Peacemaker and Fracas.

I'm really surprised by the negativity towards Legends Hot Rod. He's an upgrade to the Titans Return version in almost every way, as far as I am concerned. He's got more paint apps, like the iconic orange and yellow detailing on his wrists/cuffs, the two tone colors on his helmet and pelvis, and the dark gray on his shins and feet. His primary color is now a more maroon color, like the Masterpiece toy, approximating the color of his G1 cartoon appearance (but not the movie) just a bit better. I don't think the hood looks any worse for ditching that step in Hasbro's version to reveal his robot abs. He just looks more like classic G1 Hot Rod without it, honestly. That goes for the new engine block that hides away in robot mode. Yeah, the blank orange plastic panel in its place is just another Hot Rod trait. It's always been like that. It would have been nice if they had made the hands gray instead of orange, but I can live with it. The addition of his actual Targetmaster partner Firebolt is fantastic! That's a huge selling point for me. The only thing I think is potentially divisive is the transparent plastic flame pattern on the hood. Yes, opaque would have been better, but I understand what they're trying to do, and I think it'll work well in person. If not, I have plenty of ideas of how to remedy that situation. As it is, I've decide to embrace that little embellishment for now. It's just weird to me that so many people were gaga for grayscale Kup (before better pictures came out) but so few seem to appreciate correct colors and molding Hot Rod.

Eh, as far as I'm concerned, this is one of the few times I appreciate Hasbro's toy-accuracy more as I really don't like Hot Rod's cartoon colours. The much brighter and vibrant red fits him so much more than a dark ugly maroon and I appreciate the intuitive chest transformation over the chest... not transforming. It's more accurate, and one looking for accuracy will enjoy that; but from a pure toy standpoint TR just looks so much better.

Titan Master and Targetmaster are clear winners on Legends though, no doubt.

Fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath has spotted over on Dengeki Hobby's website some new official images for the Takara Tomy Transformers Legends ..er, Legends class counterparts to the Hasbro Titans Return toys: LG47 Kickback with Clouder, LG48 Gong (Brawn) with Repug (Ribaggu), and LG49 Triggerhappy!

Check out the images mirrored below, of Titan Masters, Target Masters and Legend class characters, and let us know what you think in the Energon Pub.

Ramhorn? They made Clouder from Ramhorn? So did not see that coming.

Though, have we had a good enough look at Ramhorn's Titan Master head? The way the mold looks here makes its head look almost like it has a beak, like Buster's Suit Mode helmet.

I am so happy Triggerhappy barely looks different to his TR counterpart as that deco was perfect. Instant buy!

LG Sharkticon and Brawn: been holding off getting the Hasbro editions because I knew Takara would have nicer colours. Hasbro's Brawn was almost perfect but missing the silver apps on his knees. Not a big deal but I wasn't in a rush. Also TT's got silver rims.
It will be cool to have some extra random heads finally!

LG Kickback: I love the Insecticons on the show, and this figure seems nice, but there's no point in getting only one part of the trio.

LG Triggerhappy: ahh.. wish he weren't a Headmaster......

Nah, easy pass on all these. Had Triggerhappy and couldn't even be bothered to open him from packaging and sold him. The others don't appeal to me or look hugely different to Hasbro versions to be worth importing. Still got Hot Rod and Kup pre-ordered though.

Cyberpath wrote:

There's also the Universe and Henkei! Henkei! versions if you wanna compare those with these as well.

Triggerhappy looks gorgeous- that shade of blue and the crisp white look lovely. I'm not sure I'll be replacing my gifted Hasbro Triggerhappy with him, even with the Targetmaster- he looks nice but not THAT nice. Still, I can't fault anyone who does.

Brawn looks pretty decent. I think I prefer the Hasbro colours but they both look nice.

Kickback looks cool too, and I prefer his colours over the Hasbro version. I wish his wings were fully chromed but you can't win 'em all.

These pics showed up faster than I had expected.

Triggerhappy looks mostly the same in terms of color layout and shade, but some paint apps are swapped around, either in placement or color. I'm guessing the "visor" around eyes is yellow, but it's hard to tell from these pics. The red of his optics kind of bleeds into that already small space visually. The real draw is the addition of his Targetmaster partner, so this is a must buy for me!

Brawn is absolutely perfect! Hasbro's is good, but this is GREAT! The brownish/olive green is on point for screen accuracy. All of the paint apps are there, including the silver horizontal stripes on his knees. He looks like he just stepped out of the original cartoon, more than ANY other toy version of Brawn has before. Must buy!

Kickback is interesting. On the surface, he's got much more screen (and toy) accuracy going for him than Hasbro's version. The silver and clear plastic wings look fantastic! His upper arms are now the proper black too. His Decepticon logo is now in the middle of his chest (sternum) instead of his right pectoral. He's even got the red horizontal striping on his shins akin to the G1 toy. Then...they apparently kept going with paint apps, like yellow knee caps (Hasbro had these two) and red stripes on his wrists. Those...aren't accurate to anything, screen nor toy. Odd choice for Takara. Still, the silver/clear wings sell this for me as my definitive "Classics" Kickback. Must buy! The Hasbro ones I have (three in all) will serve as his clones. I've done likewise, using TAV Shrapnel and Bombshell as their G1 selves while the Hasbro releases, each in triplicate, acting as their clone swarms. Yay for army building!

I like that Hasbro and Takara's Brawn are different shades of green. Though it does rather make me want to get a appropriately coloured South American Minibot to match now too.

Triggerhappy having white on his is a little odd mind.

Triggerhappy looks pretty much the same as Hasbro's, so i don't think i'll be getting him. I still have the Hasbro MOMC but i think i'll be opening him and wait for the other two jets from Hasbro (Misfire and Slugslinger). I like Targetmasters a lot, but it looks awkward in jetmode. I think the Targetmaster is too beefy.

Brawn looks awesome, i\ll be getting him, just wish they gave him a gun.

Kickback looks great too, but i would have preferred if they made an Insecticon 3-pack so we could get all of them in the same colourscheme with a few energon cubes and weapons. There really is no point in getting him while the other two are not readily available in the same colourscheme.

DMSL wrote:Kickback looks great too, but i would have preferred if they made an Insecticon 3-pack so we could get all of them in the same colourscheme with a few energon cubes and weapons. There really is no point in getting him while the other two are not readily available in the same colourscheme.

The problem is, Hasbro's Insecticons don't match up in terms of their colors either. Each one has different shades of purple and yellow unique to him. I can tell you that the TAV releases of Shrapnel and Bombshell are a bit closer of a match to each other, but still not nearly perfect. Either route you go, and any combination of Hasbro or Takara releases you choose, you're not going to have perfectly color-coordinated Insecticons, unfortunately.

Hasbro's Shrapnel and Kickback aren't uniform with Bombshell.
Takara's Shrapnel and Bombshell aren't uniform with Kickback.

Btw i'm hoping eventually that someone(ebay or some other likeminded site) will be selling TR Tidal Wave singular & loose(seeing as the fig is ONLY avaliable as a box set) that way you can get that fig without also having to get a whole host of other figs that come with it that you might not want

-Most significantly, Triggerhappy has been retooled to have a 5mm peg on his Cockpit (for of course his Targetmaster) where his Decepticon Logo was. Said logo has been moved lower down and has been made purple instead of silver.

-Eyes are red instead of yellow

-Gold and light blue detailing on chest and wings has been replaced by white

-Gold details on feet have been removed

And... that's about it. Triggerhappy doesn't seem to have any more differences, aside from of course the Targetmaster and the Titan Master.

By the way, is it just me or does Repugnus look really bad? Usually Takara's Titan Masters have such great paint detailing, but I'm almost tempted to say this time he's more bland than a Hasbro Titan Master. The head mode is certainly not helping...

Could be the painted prototype nature making it look worse than it actually is. Paint is usually thicker on prototypes than production figures. That said he does look very bland in that yellow...

Black Hat wrote:Could be the painted prototype nature making it look worse than it actually is. Paint is usually thicker on prototypes than production figures. That said he does look very bland in that yellow...

I can see the thick argument - I'm betting the mouth will be less obscured in the final product - but even then there's just a bit too much yellow. The Hasbro version's head mode was also overly yellow, but it at least had red titan master arms to break that up a little.

Stuartmaximus wrote:Btw i'm hoping eventually that someone(ebay or some other likeminded site) will be selling TR Tidal Wave singular & loose(seeing as the fig is ONLY avaliable as a box set) that way you can get that fig without also having to get a whole host of other figs that come with it that you might not want

That's my plan. It's kind of my eBay M.O.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

DMSL wrote:Kickback looks great too, but i would have preferred if they made an Insecticon 3-pack so we could get all of them in the same colourscheme with a few energon cubes and weapons. There really is no point in getting him while the other two are not readily available in the same colourscheme.

The problem is, Hasbro's Insecticons don't match up in terms of their colors either. Each one has different shades of purple and yellow unique to him. I can tell you that the TAV releases of Shrapnel and Bombshell are a bit closer of a match to each other, but still not nearly perfect. Either route you go, and any combination of Hasbro or Takara releases you choose, you're not going to have perfectly color-coordinated Insecticons, unfortunately.

Exactly so getting a nice uniform set is pretty much impossible. So i guess i'll be using the Fansproject Insecticons with my CHUG's until that does happen. When it does i can always pose my Fansproject Insecticons with my MP's.

Kurona wrote:-Most significantly, Triggerhappy has been retooled to have a 5mm peg on his Cockpit (for of course his Targetmaster) where his Decepticon Logo was. Said logo has been moved lower down and has been made purple instead of silver.

-Eyes are red instead of yellow

-Gold and light blue detailing on chest and wings has been replaced by white

-Gold details on feet have been removed

And... that's about it. Triggerhappy doesn't seem to have any more differences, aside from of course the Targetmaster and the Titan Master.

The striping pattern of the wings also differs between the Hasbro and Takara versions. The Hasbro version features a thick white stripe down the length of each wing, boarded on the top and bottom by thinner blue lines. The Takara-Tomy version inverts this, having a primarily blue stripe on the wings instead, with thinner white lines boarding the top and bottom.

Also, the detailing on the chest is a bit ambiguous as to the actual color. I don't think it's white like some of the other highlights on the shins and tail fins. It looks either to be silver, as opposed to the bronze/gold used on the Hasbro version, or perhaps a metallic blue. I'm leaning towards silver, though. That would explain how it looks whiter in some shots and blue in others. Silver reflects light in some interesting ways.

I'm freakin' thrilled at this outcome. Being a huge fan of Takara since the classics I'm happy I didn't get burned by my inpatients.

IMO I feel both Trigger Happy and Brawn are worthy homages to the G1 figures...'nuff said!

Nemesis Destron wrote:IMO I feel both Trigger Happy and Brawn are worthy homages to the G1 figures...'nuff said!

Agreed! Both molds are fantastic, and either paint job, Hasbro or Takara-Tomy, suits these figures very well. It all comes down to color preference, really. And, I guess, the extra Target master buddy for Triggerhappy.

*Siiiiiigh* ...as I expected, Trigger's not that much better here. And, to be honest...I prefer the Hasbro version. I like the extra paint details, I like the shade of blue better, the yellow eyes look better...the only thing I'd really want from the Takara version is the Targetmaster, and that's only to make Triggerhappy 'proper'. The Hasbro version on its own (heck, even without the two rifles) is a great toy already, so...I'm gonna have to pass on this.

You know, deep down I kinda knew Ramhorn would be used for Clouder, I just didn't know how they'd pull it off with the animal head. Painting it like a condor? Well played, TakaraTomy Note how he's using the anime deco that's based on the US Doubledealer.

Triggerhappy's new Targetmaster is definitely styled after Blowpipe, which makes things kind of weird, as the Titan Master is styled after Blowpipe as well

Kurona wrote:Eh, as far as I'm concerned, this is one of the few times I appreciate Hasbro's toy-accuracy more as I really don't like Hot Rod's cartoon colours. The much brighter and vibrant red fits him so much more than a dark ugly maroon and I appreciate the intuitive chest transformation over the chest... not transforming. It's more accurate, and one looking for accuracy will enjoy that; but from a pure toy standpoint TR just looks so much better.

I still far prefer that Legends Hot Rod over the Titans one. I loathe the Titans Hot Rod colours so much *that red in particular just looks so cheapo plastic and nasty) I started painting him very soon after I bought him. My Titans one is my 'Marvel Hot Rod' with my custom Firebolt and Legends will be my 1986 movie one I guess to pose with Kup, Blurr and Arcee. I've been very tempted to just superglue the lower piece of the chest completely shut cos I hate that huge gap it leaves in the stomach area and never used it after the first time. The seam where the chest pieces close together bugs me too.

Kurona wrote:-Most significantly, Triggerhappy has been retooled to have a 5mm peg on his Cockpit (for of course his Targetmaster) where his Decepticon Logo was. Said logo has been moved lower down and has been made purple instead of silver.

-Eyes are red instead of yellow

-Gold and light blue detailing on chest and wings has been replaced by white

-Gold details on feet have been removed

And... that's about it.

So Hasbro's has more paint apps?

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:-Most significantly, Triggerhappy has been retooled to have a 5mm peg on his Cockpit (for of course his Targetmaster) where his Decepticon Logo was. Said logo has been moved lower down and has been made purple instead of silver.

-Eyes are red instead of yellow

-Gold and light blue detailing on chest and wings has been replaced by white

-Gold details on feet have been removed

And... that's about it.

So Hasbro's has more paint apps?

Eh, it's not particularly surprising - same thing happened with Drag Strip, right? Takara'll hold back on paint apps if they feel the lack of them is more accurate.
... or if it's their TLK toyline.

I might have to look into that Triggerhappy. I don't have the mold yet, and these headmaster targetmasters are too kitschy a concept for me to not want one of (I was considering Kup until Triggerhappy became a choice).

Cyberpath wrote:

Takara's colors look slightly better, but I really don't like that unneeded silver on the legs (I like toy deco over toon deco, hence my love of Hasbro's TR Scourge). Amazon says my (hasbro) Brawn should be here by 8pm, so fingers crossed!

I'm gonna stick with Hasbro for Brawn as I like the green more and Takara's take on repugnus isn't exactly enticing...

I think I'll pick up kickback but just for the Doubledealer head and then sell him. I much prefer the yellow translucent wings to the boring clear ones here.

I'll definitely be picking up triggerhappy but pretty much only for the targetmaster. The only other thing I prefer on the Takara version is the white plastic. It looks a lot crisper than the Hasbro version. If it wasn't for the targetmaster though I'd definitely skip.

Is it a new head on Brawn, or only a different paintjob which made it looks ocmpletely different ?

ExciKaiser wrote:Is it a new head on Brawn, or only a different paintjob which made it looks ocmpletely different ?

Just the paint. The only retool here is Triggerhappy.

Optimum Supreme wrote:

Cyberpath wrote:

Takara's colors look slightly better, but I really don't like that unneeded silver on the legs (I like toy deco over toon deco, hence my love of Hasbro's TR Scourge). Amazon says my (hasbro) Brawn should be here by 8pm, so fingers crossed!

I like the silver kneecaps on Legends Brawn, and not just because they're screen accurate. They also nicely complement the silver forearms, creating nice symmetry in Brawn's color layout and design.

steals_your_goats wrote:I'm gonna stick with Hasbro for Brawn as I like the green more and Takara's take on repugnus isn't exactly enticing...

I think I'll pick up kickback but just for the Doubledealer head and then sell him. I much prefer the yellow translucent wings to the boring clear ones here.

I can't really fault you on your choice on Brawn. Hasbro's is pretty good, even if missing a few details, like the painted tire rims and knees. That brighter, richer green just looks more appealing, even if it's not as screen (or G1 toy) accurate.

However, you might want to give Kickback another glance. He's got not only more accurate paint apps as compared to the Hasbro version, but more paint apps, period, beyond even what you'd find on the original G1 toy or the cartoon. Plus, those wings aren't just clear, colorless plastic. The "armatures" of the wings are painted over in silver, giving them a nice "two-tone" look. It would have been perfect if they had gone for that iridescent, look of the wings they did for Generations Waspinator a few years ago. Though, I suppose Waspinator's wings should look more organic since his alt mode is supposedly organic, while Kickback is more definitively an inorganic/robotic version of a real grasshopper.

Here's Trigger...

(The model is for "Rebirth," he may have been even darker in the Japanese. "Headmasters.")



Don't know whether to skip the Decepticon jets or not. Tired of the Headmaster gimmick slapped on everyone.

Sabrblade wrote:

Cyberpath wrote:

There's also the Universe and Henkei! Henkei! versions if you wanna compare those with these as well.

I felt like keeping it more focused this time, make the differences pop more.

Just want to point out in regards to Cyberpath's nice Brawn comp there. I have TR Brawn in my hand ( well, next to it. I'm typing.) and his green is dead on with the green on the G1 toy. The pic pulled for the comp is off compared to what I'm looking at on the actual toy. It's much darker.
Monitors, and saturation, and exposure, and contrast, and eyeballs, and yadda, yadda, yadda...

Cobotron wrote:Just want to point out in regards to Cyberpath's nice Brawn comp there. I have TR Brawn in my hand ( well, next to it. I'm typing.) and his green is dead on with the green on the G1 toy. The pic pulled for the comp is off compared to what I'm looking at on the actual toy. It's much darker.
Monitors, and saturation, and exposure, and contrast, and eyeballs, and yadda, yadda, yadda...

I'd also like to point out that the richer, forest green on Brawn's G1 cartoon model sheet is different from the olive/brownish green used in practice in the actual cartoon episodes (animation cells). Takara's Legends Brawn matches up very nicely with the green actually used in the cartoon.

Cobotron wrote:Just want to point out in regards to Cyberpath's nice Brawn comp there. I have TR Brawn in my hand ( well, next to it. I'm typing.) and his green is dead on with the green on the G1 toy. The pic pulled for the comp is off compared to what I'm looking at on the actual toy. It's much darker.
Monitors, and saturation, and exposure, and contrast, and eyeballs, and yadda, yadda, yadda...

Yeah, the charts are mostly for comparison of the colour layouts and paint apps rather than the exact shades of things. (But is it really significantly darker than that? I never really trust Hasbro's stock photos. A lot of the times they can't even transform them right. )

I'd also like to point out a little nitpick with the Brawn comparisons; the vehicle mode configuration on the Hasbro picture is completely different - it has the shield piece thing on the top of the vehicle rather than combined with it like in Takara's picture. It creates a cool unique look for sure that will certainly help any redeco stand out, but it doesn't make for a very accurate comparison.

That's how the Hasbro photographer chose to pose it. Same with Kickback's wings.

They didn't care enough to properly transform an expansive toy like Masterpiece Bumblebee so it doesn't surprise me when this happens with cheaper toys.