Images of the Combining Potential for upcoming Legacy Scraphook

Damn those Walmart beast repaints! They were the biggest waste. They’ve clogged shelves for a year now.
Never saw anything in Legacy after that wave.

cruizerdave wrote:Damn those Walmart beast repaints! They were the biggest waste. They’ve clogged shelves for a year now.
Never saw anything in Legacy after that wave.

I never, ever saw those at my local Walmart.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:Damn those Walmart beast repaints! They were the biggest waste. They’ve clogged shelves for a year now.
Never saw anything in Legacy after that wave.

I never, ever saw those at my local Walmart.

I see nothing BUT those at my locL WalMarts. Dozens of them.

Holy crap! That Junkion is amazing! I may have to pick up a couple...

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:Damn those Walmart beast repaints! They were the biggest waste. They’ve clogged shelves for a year now.
Never saw anything in Legacy after that wave.

I never, ever saw those at my local Walmart.

I see nothing BUT those at my locL WalMarts. Dozens of them.

This is just poor distribution at play.

william-james88 wrote:Who would have thought that the near mythical Nightprowler toy finally existing would have garnered such little interest.

Same thing happened with the reissue Stepper/Ricochet at TRU years ago, no? Highly sought after G1 toy, but little to no interest on a reissue.

Something that came to me while meditating this morning, what happened to the clear "Energon" weapons that were supposed to be the gimmick of Legacy?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Something that came to me while meditating this morning, what happened to the clear "Energon" weapons that were supposed to be the gimmick of Legacy?

Many of them ended up being opaque Energon weapons instead.

Tarantulas's saw weapon, for instance, is his Energon weapon.

MeGrimlock78 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Who would have thought that the near mythical Nightprowler toy finally existing would have garnered such little interest.

Same thing happened with the reissue Stepper/Ricochet at TRU years ago, no? Highly sought after G1 toy, but little to no interest on a reissue.

Kind of, but that was a little different. Takara did a book-reissue of Stepper first, which I believe just about every western fan who actually knew the character bought the import of, myself included, never even considering the possibility of a Hasbro release. That left Ricochet on TRU shelves in front of fans who'd never heard of this random repaint of Jazz. I worked at TRU then, and old-school fans were too pissed about who wasn't getting a Hasbro reissue (mostly Megatron), to bother with some "new" guy. On top of that, he was bastardized in both tooling (though I guess anyone could've just cut the "safety" stem off the back of the launcher) and name: Quickmix was my first Targetmaster, so little yellow Ricochet made an impression on me that chafed at Hasbro seemingly slapping that name on every exclusive toy they couldn't get a better trademark for, similar to what was done with Overrun a few years later. I doubt many more fans double-dipped Rick-whatever than bought the cropped-for-safety Optimus Prime reissue after getting New Year's Convoy.

Nightprowler, on the other hand, NEVER existed until now, and so FINALLY we get...probably the least-interesting-looking Halloween Horrorcon. I mean, next to the other repaints of deluxe Kingdom molds, he strikes me as what Fox KIDS! Cheetor should've looked like: light grey, like Rhinox, Waspinator, Dinobot, and undead Transmetal Tarantulas. Camouflage bland enough to fade back into obscurity, so his target will never see him coming...or care.

It is kind of interesting that modern versions of a toy-that-shoulda'-been, a BotCon exclusive character, and a mass-release repaint character all shelfwarmed about equally badly. One or all of those guys should've been Pulse or Amazon exclusives while show-deco Terrorsaur should've been on store pegs. Guess we live and learn.

Oh, as for the Junkitizer gimmick, seeing Scraphooks with leg-adapters makes me think we need a proper Junkion Voyager torso now, even more than during PotP. Maybe Hot Spot retooled into Animated Wreck-Gar so CW Wreck-Gar could tack on too. Anyone know of any 3P/3D-printed wheels that could attach to PotP Elita-1 and double as convincing turbines? I've been meaning to repaint her into Nancy for years.

Also, could this drive the price of Fossilizers up on the secondary market? Those pics just made fossils the new death-metal!

Meanwhile I’ve still yet to see any of these in-store.

I don't like partsformers, but I have to admit those pictures are impressive.

Just try to imagine what someone could create with only half a dozen of those figure: kind of Hero Mashers figures from Hasbro

Upcoming?

Doesn't matter how they repaint or lower price of that cheetor mold eeeewww.

Barricade.it wrote:I don't like partsformers, but I have to admit those pictures are impressive.

Just try to imagine what someone could create with only half a dozen of those figure: kind of Hero Mashers figures from Hasbro

The cool thing about these us that the parts forming is optional. They convert from robot to vehicle without parts forming.

rikkomba wrote:Upcoming?

The release isn't widespread yet. Still nothing shipping from US retailers yet, for instance.

So, catching up on the past 2 weeks or so...

Animated Prowl looks surprisingly good to me. i wish the face and thighs were leaner for a more Animated look, but he does look the part. I like him, and will get him. He is far better than the 3 2022 Prime Legacy figures, itself a sad fact. Why must you butcher the toys for the cartoons I loved most Mr hasbro?

The bike Junkion looks really cool, I like how the junkions are coming together. Love how unique and interesting the robot mode is too. I like it a lot.

prime Skyquake continues to look very good, I like how this one was done, they were much more successful with this one than the first 3 Prime figures.

Lady nemesis sounds wonderful, I cannot wait to pit her against Iaconus.

Armada Prime sounds great.

Commander Ultra Magnus is groanworthy levels of unnecessary.

As for some newer figures, Skullgrin is not perfect, and I would say is inferior to the older generations toy, but is still fun and can throw some good shapes.

Starscream took Victory Saber's blast effects, and rocks them far better than he did.

Minerva adds some nice additional presence to the current Victory gang on my shelf (and not in moving totes), but putting her with VS made me realize, VS and Minerva just aren't that good. I was excited for both, and they have both been pretty mediocre. It's sad that Galaxy Shuttle ended up being the superior Victory toy for me this year.

Great posing in all of your pics, especially Skullgrin.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Great posing in all of your pics, especially Skullgrin.

Thank you. That's why i love having a spot at work for figures, so they can stretch themselves out and see what they can do

Hmm Interesting I just got a notice from Amazon that the estimated delivery date of one of the Legacy Evolution Core Dinobots (Slug) has been bumped up to next week (1/4/23) from March 4th originally...No update on my other wave 1 pre-orders...

o.supreme wrote:Hmm Interesting I just got a notice from Amazon that the estimated delivery date of one of the Legacy Evolution Core Dinobots (Slug) has been bumped up to next week (1/4/23) from March 4th originally...No update on my other wave 1 pre-orders...

Deep Discount and Movies Unlimited have Sludge in stock already. New year, same as the old one.

Good! Finally going to get my Nemesis. I wish they skipped the stupid Cybertron Metroplex & released the Nemesis right after the Ark. I finally have something Transformers related to look forward to along with Snarl & Swoop. I haven't really been interested in anything since Earthrise ended.

I'm still waiting for SS Skywarp from the Bumblebee movie. What's taking so long?

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Good! Finally going to get my Nemesis. I wish they skipped the stupid Cybertron Metroplex & released the Nemesis right after the Ark. I finally have something Transformers related to look forward to along with Snarl & Swoop. I haven't really been interested in anything since Earthrise ended.

I'm still waiting for SS Skywarp from the Bumblebee movie. What's taking so long?

To be fair, hasbro have always released rivals in gaps. Look at the time between Metroplex and Trypticon, or Fortress and Scorponok or Devy and Omega Supreme.

Not to say all rivals will be Titan class sized as Predaking's rival was released in Commander Class

If we say that Predaking's rival is Raiden ( as seen in the Headmasters TV series). Instead of Skylinx, then it can truly be said that every Titan had their rival released (or begin to) 4 years apart. The only exception being Raiden as an MP instead of Generations. And of course The Ark and Nemesis being only 2 years apart.

Does that mean we will get a CC Cybertron Menasor in 2026? Who knows

Since the classes have been redefined according to detail vs physical size of character in fiction, that opens up a lot more slots for future CC toys.

Since a CC SS86 Magnus is coming, it seems logical that soon after a SS86 Optimus Prime CC may follow. It's not necessary for me, but seems almost inevitable since Kingdom Rodimus.

o.supreme wrote:If we say that Predaking's rival is Raiden ( as seen in the Headmasters TV series). Instead of Skylinx, then it can truly be said that every Titan had their rival released (or begin to) 4 years apart. The only exception being Raiden as an MP instead of Generations. And of course The Ark and Nemesis being only 2 years apart.

Does that mean we will get a CC Cybertron Menasor in 2026? Who knows

Since the classes have been redefined according to detail vs physical size of character in fiction, that opens up a lot more slots for future CC toys.

Since a CC SS86 Magnus is coming, it seems logical that soon after a SS86 Optimus Prime CC may follow. It's not necessary for me, but seems almost inevitable since Kingdom Rodimus.

Ss86 commander Prime is a certainty. Crazy how when it will be released it will be only fractionally cheaper than when Walmart got the MP10 release

o.supreme wrote:If we say that Predaking's rival is Raiden ( as seen in the Headmasters TV series). Instead of Skylinx, then it can truly be said that every Titan had their rival released (or begin to) 4 years apart. The only exception being Raiden as an MP instead of Generations. And of course The Ark and Nemesis being only 2 years apart.

Does that mean we will get a CC Cybertron Menasor in 2026? Who knows

Since the classes have been redefined according to detail vs physical size of character in fiction, that opens up a lot more slots for future CC toys.

Since a CC SS86 Magnus is coming, it seems logical that soon after a SS86 Optimus Prime CC may follow. It's not necessary for me, but seems almost inevitable since Kingdom Rodimus.

I don't think Hasbro count Headmasters in this case

Deluxe class figures for 12.99? Heck yeah!
Walgreens is currently clearencing out there Christmas Toys at 50% off. Can confirm this at multiple stores. One of them in North Vernon IN is including both Kingdom Red Alert and Legacy Minerva, meaning 2 Deluxes for the price of one.

One note: when I purchased mine Minerva rang up as Sale:17.99 so this may not be intentional, and Red didn't ring up at all, but the store clerk caught the error before I said anything. If you are still looking for Minerva or been on the fence on Red, now might be a fantastic time to go hunting.

(Cross posted from news Submission)

Walmart, why?



They have Deluxe figures on the shelf so they're balancing Legacy Leaders on the pegs. Doesn't even have a hanger, it's just crammed in there.

Emerje

I remember after a reset earlier this year, Walmart was hanging all Leaders on pegs. I didn't understand it then and I don't understand it now.

By the way, I think there was some chatter earlier about not seeing Jhiaxus on shelves. In the Northeast Georgia area I've run across him a decent number of times since October or so (and a couple Soundwaves). But I had gotten him from Amazon over the summer. Wave 2 (?) Core figures pop up now and again. I think I've seen one each of Shockwave and G2 Megatron, the latter of which I bought at the time and I believe I mentioned it here. I've seen two or three Blitzwings in total.

Still zilch for deluxes past wave 1. If those start showing up at Ross or Marshalls I might get some there. I've only nabbed Skids, Tarantulas, and the Stunticons thus far. Minerva will be bought if I ever find her. Still not sure about Crankcase. I finally found a way to justify Pointblank if I see one: I can start a collection of Autobot Targetmasters with Siege Crosshairs, who now has a spot in my collection since Siege Ironhide has been usurped by the SS. (and I guess I could track down a T30 Scoop) It's a solid mold so having a figure still use it will be nice, and I can eat my cake with the screen accurate ironhide.

william-james88 wrote:Ss86 commander Prime is a certainty. Crazy how when it will be released it will be only fractionally cheaper than when Walmart got the MP10 release

Will this just be the ER "voyager" but with a proper trailer that have Roller, the command center, diaclone consoles, weapon racks, trailer "legs", proper mud-guards, and a longer trailer overall?

Or beside that "real" trailer, will we get a completely new mold for Optimus? Maybe they could take a clue from the KO companies and just release an undersized MP-10?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Ss86 commander Prime is a certainty. Crazy how when it will be released it will be only fractionally cheaper than when Walmart got the MP10 release

Will this just be the ER "voyager" but with a proper trailer that have Roller, the command center, diaclone consoles, weapon racks, trailer "legs", proper mud-guards, and a longer trailer overall?

If it's going to be a retool of the Ultra Magnus, I think it'll be the next version of Powermaster Prime. Otherwise they have to make a completely new trailer, even if they just reuse the base Prime figure. I think if there will be a Legacy PM Prime, Hasbro should take the already released Prime version of Kingdom Magnus and just give him a retooled Magnus trailer.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Ss86 commander Prime is a certainty. Crazy how when it will be released it will be only fractionally cheaper than when Walmart got the MP10 release

Will this just be the ER "voyager" but with a proper trailer that have Roller, the command center, diaclone consoles, weapon racks, trailer "legs", proper mud-guards, and a longer trailer overall?

If it's going to be a retool of the Ultra Magnus, I think it'll be the next version of Powermaster Prime. Otherwise they have to make a completely new trailer, even if they just reuse the base Prime figure. I think if there will be a Legacy PM Prime, Hasbro should take the already released Prime version of Kingdom Magnus and just give him a retooled Magnus trailer.

SS86 Optimus Prime CANNOT ever be "Powermaster Prime". That would be either a Select release, or a Legacy one. So that's why I call for a "downsized MP-10".

I still don't think they'll do a white prime for an animation accurate Ultra Magnus. I really do think they'll just do a Combiner Wars/Masterpiece Ultra Magnus and have the cab directly transform to Magnus.

Will I be proved wrong? Probably asylum predictions often do the reverse of what I say.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Ss86 commander Prime is a certainty. Crazy how when it will be released it will be only fractionally cheaper than when Walmart got the MP10 release

Will this just be the ER "voyager" but with a proper trailer that have Roller, the command center, diaclone consoles, weapon racks, trailer "legs", proper mud-guards, and a longer trailer overall?

If it's going to be a retool of the Ultra Magnus, I think it'll be the next version of Powermaster Prime. Otherwise they have to make a completely new trailer, even if they just reuse the base Prime figure. I think if there will be a Legacy PM Prime, Hasbro should take the already released Prime version of Kingdom Magnus and just give him a retooled Magnus trailer.

SS86 Optimus Prime CANNOT ever be "Powermaster Prime". That would be either a Select release, or a Legacy one. So that's why I call for a "downsized MP-10".

Right. I really meant to say the engineering will be very similar, the figures obviously won't be the same. My bad.

ZeroWolf wrote:I still don't think they'll do a white prime for an animation accurate Ultra Magnus. I really do think they'll just do a Combiner Wars/Masterpiece Ultra Magnus and have the cab directly transform to Magnus.

Will I be proved wrong? Probably asylum predictions often do the reverse of what I say.

I'll say what I said before when it was first leaked: An Ultra Magnus that skips the "white Prime" doesn't need to be a Commander class. A smaller SS86 version of Combiner Wars UM in the movie style (and without a "Micromaster") would fit perfectly fine as a Leader class SS86 figure. To fit the the Commander Class price it has to include a "white Prime". The catch is that they can make it possible to change him from truck to full bot without having to change the cab and it would still be screen accurate.

Emerje

I'll go one further.

A Studio Series Ultra Magnus should explicitly not include a White Prime

But of course screen accuracy only matters when it's convenient

King Kuuga wrote:I'll go one further.

A Studio Series Ultra Magnus should explicitly not include a White Prime

But of course screen accuracy only matters when it's convenient

This^

I get what you're saying Emerje but I would like to see a white prime less option. We'll just have to see what the designers are cooking up.

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I still don't think they'll do a white prime for an animation accurate Ultra Magnus. I really do think they'll just do a Combiner Wars/Masterpiece Ultra Magnus and have the cab directly transform to Magnus.

Will I be proved wrong? Probably asylum predictions often do the reverse of what I say.

I'll say what I said before when it was first leaked: An Ultra Magnus that skips the "white Prime" doesn't need to be a Commander class. A smaller SS86 version of Combiner Wars UM in the movie style (and without a "Micromaster") would fit perfectly fine as a Leader class SS86 figure. To fit the the Commander Class price it has to include a "white Prime". The catch is that they can make it possible to change him from truck to full bot without having to change the cab and it would still be screen accurate.

Emerje

I agree. I just don’t see a Commander Class Magnus with all that it entails, not having a white Prime inside.
There’s just to much budget there to use up, that a Magnus without a Prime simply does mot need.

It also gives them a new Prime to release later in SS-86 with a larger trailer and all his accessories also at commander class.

Here, I'll toss my two cents on the pile and say having owned Siege Magnus since he came out, wanna guess how many times I've used the inner White Prime as its own figure?

Maybe once, and I did it just to check it out since I bypass it completely for every transformation

Of course I'm sure some people are thrilled to have the inner robot, but for them to retread that again on a new release of a new engineered figure seems silly for sure

M. Spector wrote:Here, I'll toss my two cents on the pile and say having owned Siege Magnus since he came out, wanna guess how many times I've used the inner White Prime as its own figure?

Maybe once, and I did it just to check it out since I bypass it completely for every transformation

Well if you want to drag that mold into the discussion, maybe Kingdom Magnus is more appropriate. The Siege version, while having a white Prime, homages the RID version which was not a white Prime inside an armor. It was really Kingdom that had it, but the retool used in Siege made it unavoidable to have a white Prime inside. But I suppose it's splitting hairs, since both Kingdom and Siege are versions of the same mold.

Of course I'm sure some people are thrilled to have the inner robot, but for them to retread that again on a new release of a new engineered figure seems silly for sure

Agreed. I think the "white Prime" aspect was properly served with Kingdom Magnus, if there will be another, especially in SS86, it should be all 1 bot.

I'm just remembering all the outrage people felt over the Masterpiece Ultra Magnus being all one bot with no white Prime inner robot.

I see the point of a separate, inner bot possibly upping the overall cost to fit the Commander Class.
At the same time, an all-in-one Magnus may require even more engineering, and who knows, possibly more parts. I could see this looking/being even more 3P-esque than Motormaster.

Also, consider that part of the reason I skipped the Kingdom version was because that trailer was absolute dog water...
It wasn't even complete, and from what I remember seeing, was hardly functional.
Even though it wasn't a real feature shown in the movie, I'm betting this new Magnus trailer is completely on point in terms of appearance and functionality.
I'm going to call it now-- it will easily hold 4 deluxe cars sized like Sideswipe, and possibly 5-6 if they're smaller like Huffer, Cliffjumper, etc.

So while it could be a situation where Commander Class price/value is questionable, I'm sure it will be well above what we usually get for a Leader Class figure.

Do we know what the next wave's looking like? Like, I know we'll get at least one Dinobot, Prowl, Junkion 2, and Dreadwing, but what were the others supposed to be again?

M. Spector wrote:Here, I'll toss my two cents on the pile and say having owned Siege Magnus since he came out, wanna guess how many times I've used the inner White Prime as its own figure?

Maybe once, and I did it just to check it out since I bypass it completely for every transformation

But Siege UM is just white Prime with a bunch of armor slapped on it. How do you bypass something completely that's essential to getting him into full robot mode (aside from flipping out the head)?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

M. Spector wrote:Here, I'll toss my two cents on the pile and say having owned Siege Magnus since he came out, wanna guess how many times I've used the inner White Prime as its own figure?

Maybe once, and I did it just to check it out since I bypass it completely for every transformation

But Siege UM is just white Prime with a bunch of armor slapped on it. How do you bypass something completely that's essential to getting him into full robot mode (aside from flipping out the head)?

Emerje

I think they're saying it's never displayed on its own outside of the armour and/or they never just play around with the white cab on its own.

Was it may time when we say motormaster last year?

Sabrblade wrote:I'm just remembering all the outrage people felt over the Masterpiece Ultra Magnus being all one bot with no white Prime inner robot.

That's from the time where "cartoon accuracy" was not the defacto rule for Masterpieces and people preferred having the OG toy functionality.

Also, MP Magnus is gigantic and it could have been able to pull off the White Prime.

Sabrblade wrote:I'm just remembering all the outrage people felt over the Masterpiece Ultra Magnus being all one bot with no white Prime inner robot.

Was there any outrage at the first MP Ultra Magnus White Prime with cardboard trailer? Wouldnt be surprised if the new ultra magnus was like that XD

If they are revisiting Ultra Magnus so soon, fingers crossed they go back to the dinobots in a few years and make them bigger.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Do we know what the next wave's looking like? Like, I know we'll get at least one Dinobot, Prowl, Junkion 2, and Dreadwing, but what were the others supposed to be again?

Core:
Grimlock
Nemesis Prime
Thundercracker

Deluxe:
Shrapnel
Animated Prowl
Leaked Bike Junkion
Crosscut

Voyager:
Metalhawk
Twincast

Leader:
Prime Skyquake

blackeyedprime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I'm just remembering all the outrage people felt over the Masterpiece Ultra Magnus being all one bot with no white Prime inner robot.

Was there any outrage at the first MP Ultra Magnus White Prime with cardboard trailer? Wouldnt be surprised if the new ultra magnus was like that XD

At commander price? That would be ridiculous.

blackeyedprime wrote:If they are revisiting Ultra Magnus so soon, fingers crossed they go back to the dinobots in a few years and make them bigger.

Bigger?

How much bigger do you want them, they are pretty big already.


In regards to Magnus. Siege / Kingdom was the only time since G1 Magnus that we have had a white inner Prime with a trailer / armor.

It's really not a stretch to expect another one of those when every other Magnus in existence has been a stand alone Magnus with no inner white prime or just a white prime with no armor.

For commander class, I expect a a white prime and a trailer / armor.

Enough with one or the other. at that price point i'm pretty sure it will be both.

Only one of these has a white prime:

But in an animation accurate line...you don't need a white prime

Moving on as really, that discussion is best served in the SS86 thread now.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Do we know what the next wave's looking like? Like, I know we'll get at least one Dinobot, Prowl, Junkion 2, and Dreadwing, but what were the others supposed to be again?

Core:
Grimlock
Nemesis Prime
Thundercracker

Deluxe:
Shrapnel
Animated Prowl
Leaked Bike Junkion
Crosscut

Voyager:
Metalhawk
Twincast

Leader:
Prime Skyquake

Thanks for posting this, I forgot that Metalhawk was coming up, which means it won't be long till we get a peak at what this version looks like.

Also, with Shrapnel coming, does this mean another Deluxe Insecticon heading to Buzzworthy

ZeroWolf wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Do we know what the next wave's looking like? Like, I know we'll get at least one Dinobot, Prowl, Junkion 2, and Dreadwing, but what were the others supposed to be again?

Core:
Grimlock
Nemesis Prime
Thundercracker

Deluxe:
Shrapnel
Animated Prowl
Leaked Bike Junkion
Crosscut

Voyager:
Metalhawk
Twincast

Leader:
Prime Skyquake

Thanks for posting this, I forgot that Metalhawk was coming up, which means it won't be long till we get a peak at what this version looks like.

Also, with Shrapnel coming, does this mean another Deluxe Insecticon heading to Buzzworthy

Oh we're almost assuredly seeing Chop Shop at some point this year if we're basing it off of last year, the only downside is that Bombshell's gonna hit retail too late in the year for Hastak to just finish out the OG and Deluxe Insecticons all in 2023 (unless we get another Golden Disk situation where Bombshell retools get shown before Bombshell himself). Seeing as how that mystery probably-going-to-Walmart capsule with G2 Grimlock could still turn out to be beast-themed, I wouldn't be shocked to see Insecticon reuses show up there either.

Also I know I've brought this up before, but especially with the addition of that mystery Prime I really think that Evolution might be 5 waves (everything in italics is me assuming it's placement based off what little info we have or lack thereof): ...realistically Armada Optimus and The Nemesis will probably actually release closer to wave 3 than wave 2, but y'all get the idea.