In Hand Images of Legacy Sandstorm, Cybertron Starscream, and Silverbolt

Starscream is gorgeous. Bought on sight.. err… preordered on sight.

Chronia is o.k.

Was not planning on getting Shard, but it looks so good. And that large shield/pick axe mode so cool.

Sandstorm is also looking fine. So many things I want, wallet gonna scream.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:So I think all we are really missing so far is someone to represent in Legacy:
Japanese G1

Metalhawk is being rereleased in wave 4.

Emerje

Which Optimus is that with wheel jack?

I look forward to generation selects, Starscream and Wind Razor

If they do a 2 pack with a repaint of starscream as Dirge and a repaint of the future hot shot as roadbuster that'd be fun

Not very likely but I still have that old Dirge and an update would be nice

Man, that Chromia figure just looks...bland. No character to it at all. It's just kind of taking up space.

Sandstorm...I'm mixed on him. I actually enjoyed the Generations take on him. My wife says he just looks goofy. I'm not going to argue with her...not because I agree, but because I've been married almost 25 years and know better.

THat Starscream is damned near perfect. Now...just waiting for a third party to make a cannon that snaps over the sword.

Silverbolt...wow. Just amazing. Absolutely spot on. I think we can skip any BW Masterpiece for him. This is it.

Theoretically speaking, if I were able to get Legacy United Beast Wars Silverbolt and Cybertron Starscream, which ones would you like to see first?

TK415 wrote:Which Optimus is that with wheel jack?

Where?

TK415 wrote:Which Optimus is that with wheel jack?

Bumblebee Movie Studio Series 38 Voyager Optimus Prime.

Sandstorm looks good, not something I need though. It actually looks very bulky/top heavy in Bot form and the alt modes don't look as streamline as I would like, especially the dune buggy. These things are really starting to look like toys more and more.

I can clearly say without doubt that this Sandstorm is a total pass making my Takara TG-29 supreme in my Neo-G1 fold...'nuff said!

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Theoretically speaking, if I were able to get Legacy United Beast Wars Silverbolt and Cybertron Starscream, which ones would you like to see first?

Being so familiar with the original, I'd want to get Cybertron Starscream first to see what improvements they did on the original concept.

BW Silverbolt is also a must-have to complete my BW cast.

Overcracker wrote:

TK415 wrote:Which Optimus is that with wheel jack?

Bumblebee Movie Studio Series 38 Voyager Optimus Prime.

Awesome thanks man!

Did they forget to paint Silverbolt? Is he really going to be that dull gray all over?

Rodimus Prime wrote:Did they forget to paint Silverbolt? Is he really going to be that dull gray all over?

It's slightly silver plastic, but I don't know what you were expecting, he's actually a little more colorful than the original.




Emerje

william-james88 wrote:

Looks like the Twitter user who made this collage used the wrong cartoon models for Sandstorm, the ones made by a Russian fan. They're all fuzzy in quality, and the blacks are so dark and washed out you can barely see the windows on the side of the helicopter or the details on the hood of the dune buggy.

Here's the correct models.

The differences in colors are pretty much irrelevant.
Especially when many pictures got their color changed, and toy pictures depends on the camera and general lighting.

What matters with these comparison shots are the overall shapes of the toy VS the toon. And for a Generations line, that's as close as we can get.

Opinions:

Silverbolt, why? I have the original and always thought of him as perfect. And this 95 years later modern tooling, he looks well the same.

Canonball, damn shame, I wished they were aiming for Armada Red Alert and not Cybertron Red Alert. I understand because of the recolor stuff but I would've loved an Armada voyager Redalert who isn't horribly deformed.

Cybertron Starscream, now that is excellent! I hope they do the Thundercracker / Skywarp repaints. Armada Starscream was a bit mid, okay but just dull. Also a bit loose in the joints, atleast mine.

Chromia, at first I was very excited! Then I realized she doesn't look like the Cyberverse cartoon figure. The head is all wrong, she needs cartoony cute big eyes and lipstick. She just looks like a bland generations figure. Perfect as is, but not that Cyberverse Chromia. C'mon HAsbro you did Cyberverse Arcee perfectly, why not repeat that?

That purple bird thing lady chick looks cool.

Sandstorm looks like hell to transform, so big pass.

What I'm looking forward to is a new Devastator, will he be deluxe limbs?

noctorro wrote:Canonball, damn shame, I wished they were aiming for Armada Red Alert and not Cybertron Red Alert. I understand because of the recolor stuff but I would've loved an Armada voyager Redalert who isn't horribly deformed.

We are getting a Voyager Armada Red Alert.

noctorro wrote:Chromia, at first I was very excited! Then I realized she doesn't look like the Cyberverse cartoon figure. The head is all wrong, she needs cartoony cute big eyes and lipstick. She just looks like a bland generations figure. Perfect as is, but not that Cyberverse Chromia. C'mon HAsbro you did Cyberverse Arcee perfectly, why not repeat that?

Because this is Legacy, not the Cyberverse line proper. Legacy keeps G1-ifying everything from stylized lines.

Emerje wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Did they forget to paint Silverbolt? Is he really going to be that dull gray all over?

It's slightly silver plastic, but I don't know what you were expecting, he's actually a little more colorful than the original.

I guess I wanted a screen accurate figure. IIRC on screen he was more charcoal colored with shiny silver front parts.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Did they forget to paint Silverbolt? Is he really going to be that dull gray all over?

It's slightly silver plastic, but I don't know what you were expecting, he's actually a little more colorful than the original.

I guess I wanted a screen accurate figure. IIRC on screen he was more charcoal colored with shiny silver front parts.

Everything about the Maximals' and Predacons' robot parts was shiny in the cartoon.

noctorro wrote:What I'm looking forward to is a new Devastator, will he be deluxe limbs?

The limbs have been confirmed(?) to be deluxes AND voyagers. I guess deluxe arms and voyager legs. As for the torso, nothing is confirmed but I can guess both would be "leaders" who would come with the combining extra bits.

That sounds interesting, I had Devastator as a kid. Surprisingly due to the need for six separate bots and coming from low income family not to mention living in the countryside at the time which made it difficult to buy a lot of things without ordering from Sears Catalog.

Anyhoo, It would be interesting to see how they mix Deluxe with voyagers to create a larger bot when typically it's been closer to Legends scale Since I don't have breakdown yet I don't know how "big" Menasor is or how it compares to the old Devastator.

In the past two bots formed the chest/torso so how does/will it work out with a Voyager, and which one will it be? The configuration is pretty much set, so it couldn't be the arms and legs which leave Hook and/or Long Haul. 4 Deluxe and 2 Voyagers? Would also seem kind of odd being that they all looked the same size on screen. It would also put Devastator at $170 when complete versus the old version being smaller bots.

So does that mean they will just try to Titan this beast or sprinkle it out via the main line over teh course of 2-4 waves?

Till-all-R1 wrote:Anyhoo, It would be interesting to see how they mix Deluxe with voyagers to create a larger bot when typically it's been closer to Legends scale Since I don't have breakdown yet I don't know how "big" Menasor is or how it compares to the old Devastator.

Legacy Menasor is a smidge taller than the Combiner Wars Combiners and Siege Jetfire, roughly 12 inches or 1 foot tall. The Titan class Devastator was about 18 inches or 1.5 feet tall.

Till-all-R1 wrote:In the past two bots formed the chest/torso so how does/will it work out with a Voyager, and which one will it be?

At this time, we don't know anything about the torso components. The leak that revealed Scavenger and Bonecrusher to be Deluxes and Scrapper and Mixmaster to be Voyagers didn't mention Hook or Long Haul.

Till-all-R1 wrote:So does that mean they will just try to Titan this beast or sprinkle it out via the main line over teh course of 2-4 waves?

The latter.

Keep in mind that Devastator is SS86, not Legacy.

noctorro wrote:Silverbolt, why? I have the original and always thought of him as perfect. And this 95 years later modern tooling, he looks well the same.

He was a great figure for the time, easily one of the best, but there was a lot of room for improvement. The wings sat awkwardly over his shoulders for the action feature rather than on his back which isn't great. The cartoon also made him scale a lot larger (as well as fixing his wings) which the new figure reflects.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Did they forget to paint Silverbolt? Is he really going to be that dull gray all over?

It's slightly silver plastic, but I don't know what you were expecting, he's actually a little more colorful than the original.

I guess I wanted a screen accurate figure. IIRC on screen he was more charcoal colored with shiny silver front parts.

Everything about the Maximals' and Predacons' robot parts was shiny in the cartoon.

Even the Beast Wars Again repaints haven't been that dedicated. As far as his color goes, maybe it was a little darker on the show, but so much of that was set at night and in dark spaces that it's hard to really say for sure. I think it's spot on.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Did they forget to paint Silverbolt? Is he really going to be that dull gray all over?

It's slightly silver plastic, but I don't know what you were expecting, he's actually a little more colorful than the original.

I guess I wanted a screen accurate figure. IIRC on screen he was more charcoal colored with shiny silver front parts.

Everything about the Maximals' and Predacons' robot parts was shiny in the cartoon.

Even the Beast Wars Again repaints haven't been that dedicated. As far as his color goes, maybe it was a little darker on the show, but so much of that was set at night and in dark spaces that it's hard to really say for sure. I think it's spot on.

He was supposed to be a fused wolf and eagle, right? I guess I can buy his top half being that color if we're talking a gray wolf, but I think even those are a bit darker. And his legs are supposed to be an eagle's. Do eagles have gray legs?

I'm sorry if I come off nitpicky, I'm just trying to make it make sense. He just doesn't look like he did on the show. The others, as ridiculous as some of their colors were, at least adhered to their show colors somewhat.

Well, here's two different scans of Silverbolt's official Mainframe promo art (one from Transformers: The Ultimate Guide, the other from Beast Wars Universe) for comparison:




The differences in lighting are accurate to how they both appear in each book, respectively.

Well, neither of those is the light shade of gray the new figure has. That's what I'm trying to say. The toy should be colored the same darker shade that's in both of those examples, especially in the Ultimate Guide. (Even though wasn't that dismissed years ago as non-canon, but just one variation of things as shown by Simon Furman?)

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, neither of those is the light shade of gray the new figure has. That's what I'm trying to say. The toy should be colored the same darker shade that's in both of those examples, especially in the Ultimate Guide. (Even though wasn't that dismissed years ago as non-canon, but just one variation of things as shown by Simon Furman?)

The Mainframe art is all I was pointing out with that scan, and we know that's canon. What the text says is irrelevant to this case.

Rodimus Prime wrote:He was supposed to be a fused wolf and eagle, right? I guess I can buy his top half being that color if we're talking a gray wolf, but I think even those are a bit darker. And his legs are supposed to be an eagle's. Do eagles have gray legs?

Wait, and I don't mean this to come across as antagonistic or anything, but are you just not familiar with the variety of animals out there? Most animals, even among the same species can still be very varied in their colors and patterns. Them saying Silverbolt is part eagle and part wolf is about as non specific as you can get. There's more than just bald eagles out there, gray eagles are a real thing just like gray wolves.

South American gray eagle


Gray Tundra wolves


Obviously a toy isn't going to get all the color nuances, but I think they did a pretty good job with the black down the back of beast mode. This figure has colors closer to the cartoon than the original toy. Modern Hasbro is still trying to make Beast Wars figures look somewhat realistic, but they're at the mercy of 90s Hasbro's choice of colors like metallic gold. If anything I think the new figure could stand to be slightly lighter colored.

Emerje

Well, they have to make room for the upcoming Takara "premium finish" version in a sure to come 2 pack. But who Silverbolt would be packed with?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, they have to make room for the upcoming Takara "premium finish" version in a sure to come 2 pack. But who Silverbolt would be packed with?

Originally it was Rampage so it may be a while before we see Silverbolt in a BWA 2 pack.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:He was supposed to be a fused wolf and eagle, right? I guess I can buy his top half being that color if we're talking a gray wolf, but I think even those are a bit darker. And his legs are supposed to be an eagle's. Do eagles have gray legs?

Wait, and I don't mean this to come across as antagonistic or anything, but are you just not familiar with the variety of animals out there? Most animals, even among the same species can still be very varied in their colors and patterns. Them saying Silverbolt is part eagle and part wolf is about as non specific as you can get. There's more than just bald eagles out there, gray eagles are a real thing just like gray wolves.

South American gray eagle

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Gray Tundra wolves

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I was genuinely asking those questions, I am not familiar with all the varieties of eagles. I DID know there are more species of eagles than just the bald eagle. Wolves, I know a bit more about, but the gray tundra wolf specifically did not come to mind.

Obviously a toy isn't going to get all the color nuances, but I think they did a pretty good job with the black down the back of beast mode. This figure has colors closer to the cartoon than the original toy. Modern Hasbro is still trying to make Beast Wars figures look somewhat realistic, but they're at the mercy of 90s Hasbro's choice of colors like metallic gold. If anything I think the new figure could stand to be slightly lighter colored.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Each toy iteration of a character is a chance to fix previous failings, and unless they specifically wanted to adhere to the original toy's scheme, the new toy also fails, even if it's closer. But this is all a matter of opinion, if its acceptable to you, that's fine with me. It's not acceptable to me, and that should be okay with you. We're not spending each other's money on it after all.

Well, here's another piece of official Mainframe art for Silverbolt:



Also, back when Takara was releasing their Beast Wars Metals line in 1999, they redecoed almost every figure in more show-accurate coloring. Consequently, the Takara Silverbolt was much whiter than the Hasbro version.

Hasbro Silverbolt on the left, Takara Silverbolt on the right:







But not as white as Windrazor:

We know the Transformers fandom has been hankering for something new to order and this article is to let you know that new preorders are upon us. This Thursday, Hasbro will reveal the Transformers Star Raiders figures (remember, these have yet to be revealed officially) and the preorders will go live.

We have the web pages for those preorders below so that you can be ready.

Remember, some Walmart exclusive never made it to store shelves and remained online only, like Galaxy Shuttle and TLK Hot Rod.

Here are the links:

Lockdown: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers ... 5290101948?wmlspartner=FYAGeMjDX6c&=&affs=p&wid=5b6b4213e4b0bcb699adeb9f&u1=&oid=223073.10006940&sourceid=37141976172661509211&affillinktype=3&veh=aff

Cannonball: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers ... 5226743233?wmlspartner=FYAGeMjDX6c&=&affs=p&wid=5b6b4213e4b0bcb699adeb9f&u1=&oid=223073.10006940&sourceid=37141976172661509211&affillinktype=3&veh=aff

Ferak: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers ... 5285700004?wmlspartner=FYAGeMjDX6c&=&affs=p&wid=5b6b4213e4b0bcb699adeb9f&u1=&oid=223073.10006940&sourceid=37141976172661509211&affillinktype=3&veh=aff

Filch: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers ... 5290101950?wmlspartner=FYAGeMjDX6c&=&affs=p&wid=5b6b4213e4b0bcb699adeb9f&u1=&oid=223073.10006940&sourceid=37141976172661509211&affillinktype=3&veh=aff

Any thoughts on which one will be the most sought after and triple in price almost overnight? lol
Probably not looking at a repeat Cosmos situation as each DLX figure should come 2 each making it 6 bots per case right? While Ferak is 4X per case?

For some reason I thought there was a 5th figure, another voyager.

If not, I guess Ferak will be solid case, which is good for me since that's the only one I want.

Till-all-R1 wrote:Any thoughts on which one will be the most sought after and triple in price almost overnight? lol
Probably not looking at a repeat Cosmos situation as each DLX figure should come 2 each making it 6 bots per case right? While Ferak is 4X per case?

You'd have gotten the same issue if Cosmos was 2 per case, which we saw with Crasher.

But none of these figures are of G1 show characters, and none have very unique molding so if any are hard to find it will only be because of bad distribution and not due to demand.

Rodimus Prime wrote:For some reason I thought there was a 5th figure, another voyager.

If not, I guess Ferak will be solid case, which is good for me since that's the only one I want.

Ferak is the only voyager, but there's also Roadpig as a deluxe and Thundertron as a leader

I forget, does Walmart charge in advance or when things ship?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I forget, does Walmart charge in advance or when things ship?

They put a hold, but unlike many retailers, for some reason it takes several days (rather than just a "check" to make sure funds are there). So they dont actually charge until the item ships, but to secure your order, may take several days, kind of annoying.

As for which will be the hardest to find.... The voyager and leader being only 1 (and in cases of and 3 respectively) should be easy enough to obtain if they do show up in stores (Like G2 Grimlock, Toxitron, and the Voyager Cloudcover were in abundance).

If there are 4 deluxes (Cases of 8, and 2 per case), that would be even, then as WJ said, its up to distribution. My guess is that Lockdown might be slightly more popular than the others, but I honestly dont know. I'm just being pessimistic because Lockdown is the only one I'm remotely interested in, so according to Murphys law, that WILL be the hardest to get .

Lastly, is Roadpig part of this subline? I thought he was part of something else?

o.supreme wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I forget, does Walmart charge in advance or when things ship?

They put a hold, but unlike many retailers, for some reason it takes several days (rather than just a "check" to make sure funds are there). So they dont actually charge until the item ships, but to secure your order, may take several days, kind of annoying.

As for which will be the hardest to find.... The voyager and leader being only 1 (and in cases of and 3 respectively) should be easy enough to obtain if they do show up in stores (Like G2 Grimlock, Toxitron, and the Voyager Cloudcover were in abundance).

If there are 4 deluxes (Cases of 8, and 2 per case), that would be even, then as WJ said, its up to distribution. My guess is that Lockdown might be slightly more popular than the others, but I honestly dont know. I'm just being pessimistic because Lockdown is the only one I'm remotely interested in, so according to Murphys law, that WILL be the hardest to get .

Lastly, is Roadpig part of this subline? I thought he was part of something else?

Roadpig is part of this subline

o.supreme wrote:As for which will be the hardest to find.... The voyager and leader being only 1 (and in cases of and 3 respectively) should be easy enough to obtain if they do show up in stores (Like G2 Grimlock, Toxitron, and the Voyager Cloudcover were in abundance).

I wish! Between my two local stores one skipped the entire line all together, the other had multiple restocks of the Deluxes (I think I counted 6 times) and Cloudcover was plentiful (and still is) but never got the leaders, didn't even make space for them. Many reported the same and others even reported the Leaders going directly to clearance. Distribution of exclusive at Walmart is about as random as it gets, always has been, what's abundant at one store can be non existent at the next. We won't really know what's easy to get until after they show up in stores, we can't even use past distribution as a metric.

Lastly, is Roadpig part of this subline? I thought he was part of something else?

Yes Roadpig is the fourth Deluxe, there's only four this time around.

Emerje

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:For some reason I thought there was a 5th figure, another voyager.

If not, I guess Ferak will be solid case, which is good for me since that's the only one I want.

Ferak is the only voyager, but there's also Roadpig as a deluxe and Thundertron as a leader

I am genuinely amazed there hasn't been a Cyclonus Armada redeco in the Legacy or even SS'86 line yet? Universe Cyclonus had at least three colour variations of purple. The Secondary Cyclonus (that had more screen time than the fifth Dinobot) could easily work with one of those.

Emerje wrote: is about as random as it gets, always has been, what's abundant at one store can be non existent at the next. We won't really know what's easy to get until after they show up in stores, we can't even use past distribution as a metric.

Emerje

You got all the deluxes, I got the Leaders. Too bad the stores near us couldn't have swapped these out to our preferences Yeah Distribution sucks. Paying scalper prices for a single deluxe because it was not obtainable is not something I like doing.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I am genuinely amazed there hasn't been a Cyclonus Armada redeco in the Legacy or even SS'86 line yet? Universe Cyclonus had at least three colour variations of purple. The Secondary Cyclonus (that had more screen time than the fifth Dinobot) could easily work with one of those.

Maybe because he was on screen for only a few shots? We did get a Sweep from the Scourge mold (whose deco ironically looks more like Scourge than Scourge does) so I guess we could get a "Cy-clone-us" as well. Probably towards the tail end of SS86, when they run out of characters.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I am genuinely amazed there hasn't been a Cyclonus Armada redeco in the Legacy or even SS'86 line yet? Universe Cyclonus had at least three colour variations of purple. The Secondary Cyclonus (that had more screen time than the fifth Dinobot) could easily work with one of those.

Maybe because he was on screen for only a few shots? We did get a Sweep from the Scourge mold (whose deco ironically looks more like Scourge than Scourge does) so I guess we could get a "Cy-clone-us" as well. Probably towards the tail end of SS86, when they run out of characters.

Some have bought the Selects toy-colors Cyclonus to use as an Armada.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe because he was on screen for only a few shots?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote: The Secondary Cyclonus (that had more screen time than the fifth Dinobot)

It was joked that Snarl shouldn't have been part of the SS'86 line for that very reason. Yet his figure exists

Rodimus Prime wrote:We did get a Sweep from the Scourge mold (whose deco ironically looks more like Scourge than Scourge does) so I guess we could get a "Cy-clone-us" as well. Probably towards the tail end of SS86, when they run out of characters.

I'm surprised they didn't release Armada at the same time as the Sweeps to be fair. Both Cyclonus and Scourge are army builders within the context of the Movie. So it does seem like an oversight.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm surprised they didn't release Armada at the same time as the Sweeps to be fair. Both Cyclonus and Scourge are army builders within the context of the Movie. So it does seem like an oversight.

Apparently, the Sweep release happened because they use the wrong/a bad color source for Scourge's deco, with the Sweep having the correct deco for Scourge.

Also:

Sabrblade wrote:Some have bought the Selects toy-colors Cyclonus to use as an Armada.

Sabrblade wrote:Apparently, the Sweep release happened because they use the wrong/a bad color source for Scourge's deco, with the Sweep having the correct deco for Scourge.

Interesting. In truth it does still bother me that Sweep was sold as an individual figure. A twin pack at least should be mandatory for a troop builder.

Sabrblade wrote:Some have bought the Selects toy-colors Cyclonus to use as an Armada.

I know, I read that before commenting. But the added decals and blue "ears" bug me with that release. If anything, Selects could be Cyclonus and Armada the other release. But it still isn't ideal. Given that just like the Sweeps, the majority of the colour scheme should look the same.