In-Hand Images of MP-30 Ratchet

the crosses are not tampographed because the Red Cross would sue

Ultra Markus wrote:the crosses are not tampographed because the Red Cross would sue

Remember backin 1987-88. James Bond Living Daylights got into a similar mess with the "Red Cross"

Let's make sure we're clear though,

The reason the red cross don't let people use the symbol isn't because they want to monetize it. It's an internationally recognised symbol for medical help. What they try to do by issuing C&D's is to stop it being used fictionally, and not pervert or alter the meaning of the symbol in any way.

It's so as not to confuse people looking for genuine aid. They want it to remain an image where people can look at it and think 'I can get help here' which is something I can get behind.

Essentially it's the same thing as what happened with exhaust.

The original Diaclone broke the rules, so in order for everything that comes after to be 100% accurate, it also has to break to the rules. If we want to lay blame for it at anybody, lay it on the lack of foresight and respect for intellectual property rights the takara designers had when working on the diaclone line in the early 80's.

What Takara have done here is pre-empt the same issue occurring as it did with Exhaust (misusing a registered trademark, and in contravention of a law which is set out to prevent a moral issue from occuring) and making the product hard to come by for consumers and causing a ton of hassle in time and money for downline dedicated stockists.

They're even putting all the tools you need in the box to let you break the rules yourself if you want to.

Sound logic Memphis.

Then by that logic, give us a Mirage and a Jazz with sticker sheets.

I don't care so much about the crosses as mush as the lack of a red helmet. I'd much prefer the red to the white. And I know, toon version not conic but still. The red always looked better.

MemphisR56 wrote:Let's make sure we're clear though,

The reason the red cross don't let people use the symbol isn't because they want to monetize it. It's an internationally recognised symbol for medical help. What they try to do by issuing C&D's is to stop it being used fictionally, and not pervert or alter the meaning of the symbol in any way.

It's so as not to confuse people looking for genuine aid. They want it to remain an image where people can look at it and think 'I can get help here' which is something I can get behind.

Essentially it's the same thing as what happened with exhaust.

The original Diaclone broke the rules, so in order for everything that comes after to be 100% accurate, it also has to break to the rules. If we want to lay blame for it at anybody, lay it on the lack of foresight and respect for intellectual property rights the takara designers had when working on the diaclone line in the early 80's.

What Takara have done here is pre-empt the same issue occurring as it did with Exhaust (misusing a registered trademark, and in contravention of a law which is set out to prevent a moral issue from occuring) and making the product hard to come by for consumers and causing a ton of hassle in time and money for downline dedicated stockists.

They're even putting all the tools you need in the box to let you break the rules yourself if you want to.

Yeah, not that I want to start this argument, but the Red Cross has become More about the money than the help.

Ironhidensh wrote:Yeah, not that I want to start this argument, but the Red Cross has become More about the money than the help.

It's not about the Red Cross here in America. It's about the symbol itself. You're dealing with a toy that will be sold in the Asian and Pacific markets, in countries that have a very real and recent history of disaster and war. Globally, the red Cross is a symbol of emergency help and life saving aid. It's a symbol recognized as exempt from being fired upon during war by international law. While churches themselves are often targets, the medical corps has been many people around the world's only safe place or escape from active lethal danger. Everywhere else on Earth, that symbol means something more than it does here. And they don't want it slapped on a toy with guns. And Takara respected that enough to just make it a sticker set so people had to option.

Ironhidensh wrote:

MemphisR56 wrote:Let's make sure we're clear though,

The reason the red cross don't let people use the symbol isn't because they want to monetize it. It's an internationally recognised symbol for medical help. What they try to do by issuing C&D's is to stop it being used fictionally, and not pervert or alter the meaning of the symbol in any way.

It's so as not to confuse people looking for genuine aid. They want it to remain an image where people can look at it and think 'I can get help here' which is something I can get behind.

Essentially it's the same thing as what happened with exhaust.

The original Diaclone broke the rules, so in order for everything that comes after to be 100% accurate, it also has to break to the rules. If we want to lay blame for it at anybody, lay it on the lack of foresight and respect for intellectual property rights the takara designers had when working on the diaclone line in the early 80's.

What Takara have done here is pre-empt the same issue occurring as it did with Exhaust (misusing a registered trademark, and in contravention of a law which is set out to prevent a moral issue from occuring) and making the product hard to come by for consumers and causing a ton of hassle in time and money for downline dedicated stockists.

They're even putting all the tools you need in the box to let you break the rules yourself if you want to.

Yeah, not that I want to start this argument, but the Red Cross has become More about the money than the help.

yeah and people would confuse ratchet here with a real Red Cross ambulance

Ultra Markus wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

MemphisR56 wrote:Let's make sure we're clear though,

The reason the red cross don't let people use the symbol isn't because they want to monetize it. It's an internationally recognised symbol for medical help. What they try to do by issuing C&D's is to stop it being used fictionally, and not pervert or alter the meaning of the symbol in any way.

It's so as not to confuse people looking for genuine aid. They want it to remain an image where people can look at it and think 'I can get help here' which is something I can get behind.

Essentially it's the same thing as what happened with exhaust.

The original Diaclone broke the rules, so in order for everything that comes after to be 100% accurate, it also has to break to the rules. If we want to lay blame for it at anybody, lay it on the lack of foresight and respect for intellectual property rights the takara designers had when working on the diaclone line in the early 80's.

What Takara have done here is pre-empt the same issue occurring as it did with Exhaust (misusing a registered trademark, and in contravention of a law which is set out to prevent a moral issue from occuring) and making the product hard to come by for consumers and causing a ton of hassle in time and money for downline dedicated stockists.

They're even putting all the tools you need in the box to let you break the rules yourself if you want to.

Yeah, not that I want to start this argument, but the Red Cross has become More about the money than the help.

yeah and people would confuse ratchet here with a real Red Cross ambulance

I don't know people are up with their history, but...

In real life, has the Red Cross symbol ever been used in association with regular medical facilities for the common folk, like hospitals and ambulances? I know we've seen it plenty on toys, but they may not necessarily be based on real life, so toy makers grabbed the most recognised as a standard and called it a day. That would actually lead to a false representation of the organisation, which is normally active with providing health care in crisis areas, instead being portrayed as run-of-the-mill.

The Red Cross trademarking the logo and enforcing it may have stemmed from wanting to prevent this misconception. And guys, MP Ratchet is hardly the first to suffer it: G1 Ratchet had the issue since 2000 in the comics and several ambulance toys (like BotCon 2005 Ratchet) had the symbol altered. Also, trademarking back in the 80's was a bit different, more lenient than it is now in the image and vehicle model department.

Well Ratchet has been moved to 2nd quarter 2016 on BBTS. I'm really looking forward to this figure. Ironhide was just so, so good and this is the same mold.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Well Ratchet has been moved to 2nd quarter 2016 on BBTS. I'm really looking forward to this figure. Ironhide was just so, so good and this is the same mold.

Amiami is slated mid April 2016 (begining of the second quarter). Unless updated, it seems on schedule though coming nearly one after the other after Laserwave.........my aching wallet.

fenrir72 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Well Ratchet has been moved to 2nd quarter 2016 on BBTS. I'm really looking forward to this figure. Ironhide was just so, so good and this is the same mold.

Amiami is slated mid April 2016 (begining of the second quarter). Unless updated, it seems on schedule though coming nearly one after the other after Laserwave.........my aching wallet.

April makes sense to me. Two MPs in a month would be too much

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Well Ratchet has been moved to 2nd quarter 2016 on BBTS. I'm really looking forward to this figure. Ironhide was just so, so good and this is the same mold.

Amiami is slated mid April 2016 (begining of the second quarter). Unless updated, it seems on schedule though coming nearly one after the other after Laserwave.........my aching wallet.

April makes sense to me. Two MPs in a month would be too much

I thought the schedule has always been Hot Rodimus/Ultra Magnus re-issue last week of February, Shockwave last week of March, Ratchet last week of April? And yeah I know things change, but all three of those times stick out in my head..like I read it places a lot..or something..

Makes me wonder if they'd try to get the re-issue of Wheeljack out with Ratchet, which would be coooooool for the peeps that didn't get him yet.

With the way they like to do redecos of MP's, I wonder if somewhere down the line they'll do him with his slightly different Marvel deco. (Or even his way f'n different early, probably a mistake, Marvel deco with the blue chest and red legs.)

itscramtastic wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Well Ratchet has been moved to 2nd quarter 2016 on BBTS. I'm really looking forward to this figure. Ironhide was just so, so good and this is the same mold.

Amiami is slated mid April 2016 (begining of the second quarter). Unless updated, it seems on schedule though coming nearly one after the other after Laserwave.........my aching wallet.

April makes sense to me. Two MPs in a month would be too much

I thought the schedule has always been Hot Rodimus/Ultra Magnus re-issue last week of February, Shockwave last week of March, Ratchet last week of April? And yeah I know things change, but all three of those times stick out in my head..like I read it places a lot..or something..

Makes me wonder if they'd try to get the re-issue of Wheeljack out with Ratchet, which would be coooooool for the peeps that didn't get him yet.

Iirc WJ was re-issued already though Exhaust re-issue came first.

MP-30 Ratchet prototype from Masterforce UK --

The blue and white plastic parts are the retooled sections.

Fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath and Logan79 have shared some prototype images of the upcoming Takara Transformers Masterpiece MP-30 Ratchet via MasterforceUK blog. Blue plastic highlights the changes from MP-27 Ironhide very nicely.
















As a bonus Cyberpath has also given us the heads up on some prototype images of MP-25 Tracks; also from MasterforceUK.









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carytheone wrote:Fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath and Logan79 have shared some prototype images of the upcoming Takara Transformers Masterpiece MP-30 Ratchet via MasterforceUK blog. Blue plastic highlights the changes from MP-27 Ironhide very nicely.
















As a bonus Cyberpath has also given us the heads up on some prototype images of MP-25 Tracks; also from MasterforceUK.









Do you have MP-30 Ratchet on pre-order? Have these newly highlighted changes influenced you in any way? Hit the jump below and sound off in the discussion.

Remember to keep your browsers pointed to Seibertron.com for the latest in Transformer news, the largest Transformers galleries found on the web and the liveliest Transformers discussion this side of a space bridge.

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I just know they're going to try to officially release the Black Diaclone Tracks....

Is it bad that I want Tigatron Tracks released as a toy?

As usual, the Transformers Asia (which excludes the Japanese market, covered by Takara Tomy) will be accompanying its release of Masterpiece MP-30 Ratchet with a collector coin depicting the figure, and in an envelope mimicking the same deco and pattern as the toy - check it out below, courtesy of Facebook page ToyScope!

I do like a nice collector coin. I don't know why, I don't do anything with them just put them in the figures box.

Yeah there's nothing special about the coin, but I still want it.

SillySpringer wrote:Yeah there's nothing special about the coin, but I still want it.

One man's treasure is another's trash........or both to the women of our lives.

Just paid for mine. Looks like he sold out on HLJ like Ironhide.

Just got my payment request through HLJ. Lets see if he can live up to the awesomeness that is the mold.

Paid last night, shipped this morning

shajaki wrote:Paid last night, shipped this morning

I'm singin' the same tune!
Hurry up Doc. I got a fever, and the only cure is more bots.

And here I am still waiting for my MP-29 to arrive

Ohhhhhhhhmanohmanohmanohman!!

Well at least when he arrives at TFL he'll be shipped out automatically, preeeeeee-paaaaaaaaid!

Mine's on the way! Can't wait and still can't figure out why he looks so much better than Ironhide to me.

Seibertron wrote:Mine's on the way! Can't wait and still can't figure out why he looks so much better than Ironhide to me.

White hip panels blend with white thighs better than Ironhide's red with gray thighs. I think at least, and the majority of the figure is white too which helps the eyes

When you think about it, it's kind of funny that we buy the same toy again (pretty much,) because it represents a different character on the cartoon.

Seibertron wrote:Mine's on the way! Can't wait and still can't figure out why he looks so much better than Ironhide to me.

Maybe you're a crest - not mohawk - man.

Cyberpath wrote:When you think about it, it's kind of funny that we buy the same toy again (pretty much,) because it represents a different character on the cartoon.

It's the G1 in all of us, cause that's where the repaints started (well Diaclone..but more G1). I also find it funny that I get annoyed with repaints/retools in other lines sometimes but don't question it on MP. I think the Bayverse stuff may have angered me, with first release then premiums, then 80 Bumblebees.

Thanks to fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath we have some new in-hand images of Masterpiece Ratchet! This Masterpiece uses the Ironhide mold with some retooling. The images were originally from Blacklai's toybase. Check out some of the mirrored images below, and visit the link for all the images. Let us know what you think in the comments section below, and as always stay tuned to Seibertron.com for all your latest Transformers News and Galleries!

Man, I SO want them to make a Marvel comics Ratchet redeco, like how they did for King Grimlock.

Wow, it's really not going to be that hard to give him proper cross stickers on the shoulders, is it? The only way to make that easier is to include a pamphlet on how to use a pair of scissors

itscramtastic wrote:

Cyberpath wrote:When you think about it, it's kind of funny that we buy the same toy again (pretty much,) because it represents a different character on the cartoon.

It's the G1 in all of us, cause that's where the repaints started (well Diaclone..but more G1). I also find it funny that I get annoyed with repaints/retools in other lines sometimes but don't question it on MP. I think the Bayverse stuff may have angered me, with first release then premiums, then 80 Bumblebees.

I draw the line at Decepticons jets who aren't Starscream. (Though I don't have him yet either, heh.)

When I first saw pics of him I was all "Oh yeah, this is MUCH better than Ironhide!"

Then I got Ironhide in hand, and looking at those pics I just see a sea of white.

Got a long way to go to beat Ironhide Ratchet! I might just have to bite the bullet and have you shipped on your own.

I got Ironhide today after much much thinking and near ordering and backing off-and I was right, the mold irritates me Just looks odd.

The super cartoony blue windows on Ratchet just add to me simply not caring about these 2. I mean, Ironhide is here now, but had I never ordered him I wouldn't be missing anything

I'm extremely excited for this. I just got my soon in stock pre-order notice from BBTS. I also bought Ironhide on release. I understand its the basically the same mold but its just too major of a character to not want it for completion of a G1 Masterpiece collection. I think the white makes a pretty big visual difference on the mold and the character doesn't look like "White Ironhide".

The mp line has been sooo good this year I gladly will pay to keep Takara churning new MPs out. I mean we've had like 4 sweet releases in just the first 4 months of 2016.

They've been making insane progress on the MP characters but i cant wait till Jazz, Galvatron and maybe a Beast Wars Scorponok or Tarantulas get a shot at getting a MP-##.

From the Chosen Prime:

I'm going to pass this one. I'm glad I skipped Ironhide and bought Shockwave instead. Of course, Masterpiece Shockwave is way overpriced, but at least he looks perfect.

Anyone else choosing to use the smile face more than the no-expression face?

That's what I'm doing. Happy Ratchet FTW

huryochagi wrote:I'm going to pass this one. I'm glad I skipped Ironhide and bought Shockwave instead. Of course, Masterpiece Shockwave is way overpriced, but at least he looks perfect.

So what would be the the right MP Laserwave price be then?

My Ratchet has just arrived, I'm opening it now.

First impressions of the alt mode and it's a good even white all over, maybe some panels aren't quite aligned properly but that is sorted easily. A couple of minor defects in the plastic surface, typical sort of stuff. Collector coin is nice but not thrilling.

No jet pack with Ratchet, shame as it looks really nice on Ironhide but I suppose we get a set of tools to make up for it.

During first transformation I got quite a bit of white paint flakes chip off, easily seen on my black trousers.

No issues, no floppy joints.

He looks good.

Fans are already getting their Masterpiece Ratchets in the mail, have you received yours yet? What do you think about it? Optibotimus got his and shared his thoughts in this video review below.

optibotimus wrote:Enjoy guys!

william-james88 wrote:Fans are already getting their Masterpiece Ratchets in the mail, have you received yours yet? What do you think about it? Optibotimus got his and shared his thoughts in this video review below.

optibotimus wrote:Enjoy guys!

For some reason the figure looks a lot better than Ironhide to me. Only thing, those windows as pointed out in the vid let you see too clearly into the "guts".

I don't think it even needs the red +'s on the shoulders, it looks fine as is.

I'd still like to see it done in Marvel colors.