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eBay seller lena81822 is at it again, bringing us some of our first in-hand images of the upcoming Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut! Crosscut is repaint of the previously released Transformers Generations Skids with new head that pays homage to the e-Hobby exclusive, which likewise was a reuse of the G1 Skids mold. This fella will join Rattrap and Tankor in Transformers Generations Deluxe 2014 Wave 3. Hopefully this is an indication these will be making their way to retailers soon.

Transformers News: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut

Transformers News: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut

Transformers News: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut

Transformers News: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut

Transformers News: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut

Transformers News: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut
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Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557135)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 12th, 2014 @ 5:46pm CDT
One question: do his hip joints look misassembled to you guys?
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557139)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on March 12th, 2014 @ 5:55pm CDT
Aw man, I was hoping for hasbro silver and candy-apple red like the first stock photo. Oh well I still like it
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557140)
Posted by Rated X on March 12th, 2014 @ 6:02pm CDT
Another member for my Diaclone/E-Hobby crew. I like it. But can we see some Arcee/Chromia pics already ?
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557148)
Posted by Amelie on March 12th, 2014 @ 6:46pm CDT
~repaint revealed~

Member A: I wish Hasbro would come up with new ideas or characters!
Member B: This is a waste of a repaint - no-one knows\cares who this is!
Member C: It should have been [insert random bot here]...
Member D: I'll wait for Takara's version.
ALL: Hasbro have failed us again!

Theres Member E. He likes the toy. But its rare Member E will actually talk. ;)
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557150)
Posted by kirbenvost on March 12th, 2014 @ 6:56pm CDT
^ lol you got me. :lol: Sort of. While it's a nice repaint and I'm not saying it's a waste, I won't be buying it because the character is of no consequence to me. I am impressed by the shade of silver plastic they used though, it looks a little nicer than a lot of past silver toys. Nice head mold too. :APPLAUSE:

Too bad he still won't stand very well...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:One question: do his hip joints look misassembled to you guys?


It's hard to tell from these pictures, but it appears not, possibly? Looking at the slot on the side of his hip-joint piece it appears to be closer to the front than the back which means it should be okay.

My Swerve was actually not misassembled, but it was a Canadian release so I don't know if that says anything.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557152)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on March 12th, 2014 @ 7:04pm CDT
Really digging the noggin
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557154)
Posted by Mkall on March 12th, 2014 @ 7:11pm CDT
Nice colours. The Autobots have too much bright red already. It's nice to see something a little more subdued.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557155)
Posted by Amelie on March 12th, 2014 @ 7:12pm CDT
That head is actually making me want a bonkers exclusive done as G2 Gobot Optimus Prime.

~sighs~ I just became Member C. :I
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557159)
Posted by Cyber Bishop on March 12th, 2014 @ 7:40pm CDT
I like it. Reminds me of one of the omnibots.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557162)
Posted by Rated X on March 12th, 2014 @ 8:09pm CDT
Amelie wrote:~repaint revealed~

Member A: I wish Hasbro would come up with new ideas or characters!
Member B: This is a waste of a repaint - no-one knows\cares who this is!
Member C: It should have been [insert random bot here]...
Member D: I'll wait for Takara's version.
ALL: Hasbro have failed us again!

Theres Member E. He likes the toy. But its rare Member E will actually talk. ;)

For this particular figure Im member E and I talk all the time...
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557172)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on March 12th, 2014 @ 9:07pm CDT
The only thing stopping me from liking this mold is the shoulders... I really wish they weren't so limited.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557181)
Posted by megatronus on March 12th, 2014 @ 9:27pm CDT
Rated X wrote:
Amelie wrote:~repaint revealed~

Member A: I wish Hasbro would come up with new ideas or characters!
Member B: This is a waste of a repaint - no-one knows\cares who this is!
Member C: It should have been [insert random bot here]...
Member D: I'll wait for Takara's version.
ALL: Hasbro have failed us again!

Theres Member E. He likes the toy. But its rare Member E will actually talk. ;)

For this particular figure Im member E and I talk all the time...
You're telling me! :lol:


MINDVVIPE wrote:The only thing stopping me from liking this mold is the shoulders... I really wish they weren't so limited.
As with Skids, the shoulders are a nuisance, but not a deal-breaker.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557191)
Posted by Mindmaster on March 12th, 2014 @ 9:42pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:One question: do his hip joints look misassembled to you guys?


Yeah, they're definitely misassembeled, comparing the images to my Skids.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557198)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 12th, 2014 @ 9:54pm CDT
Hope it's easier to find than Skids was.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557211)
Posted by STngAR on March 12th, 2014 @ 11:17pm CDT
I think it's a great looking repaint

:MAXIMAL:
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557214)
Posted by gigator39 on March 12th, 2014 @ 11:25pm CDT
It looks decent but can't say I like the Skids mold enough to own it twice. Sad cause I'm the rare person who loves repaints. Those shoulders and the fact that he constantly falls backward annoy me too much. I hope this is the last time we see this mold honestly.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557219)
Posted by K2vox on March 12th, 2014 @ 11:50pm CDT
EASY pass. crappy NON-painted gray body and look at those FEET. paint gaps?! good god. I can't even... :SICK: :SICK: :SICK: :SICK: :SICK: :SICK:
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557221)
Posted by T-Macksimus on March 13th, 2014 @ 12:07am CDT
I'm usually just absolute hell on repaints which is why I am now having quite the moral dilemma here. This is a great looking repaint and I would not hesitate to pick this figure up. In fact, I'd pick this figure over many of the other figures in the Generations line. I love the Skids mold, I love the color choices on this repaint... the only issues I have are: Who the hell is this and why are we getting pics of this kind of coolness when we can't even get figures on the shelf that were SUPPOSED to be out two months ago???

Sorry but it just pisses me off that Hasbro can nail one out of the park (with a repaint no less)when, in all honesty, it doesn't even count but can totally screw the pooch on so many other figures that SHOULD kick ass but end up sucking it instead.

I give the figure itself a solid A+ and I give Hasbro a heart-felt F-U.
Unsurpassed, jaw dropping effort in exactly ALL the wrong places! You made Armada Starscream look like absolute sh** but you made one BRILLIANT repaint for a character most of us haven't even heard of and could care less about. Good freaking job! :HEADHURTS:
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557225)
Posted by megatronus on March 13th, 2014 @ 12:13am CDT
T-Macksimus wrote:I give the figure itself a solid A+ and I give Hasbro a heart-felt F-U.

I'm not sure why you blame Hasbro for this - they want you to buy the figure just as much as you do. Fault with poor distribution likely falls on the brick & mortar retailers.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557264)
Posted by GuyIncognito on March 13th, 2014 @ 8:20am CDT
I thought he was supposed to be silver. I guess I should have known better.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557281)
Posted by LordTwann on March 13th, 2014 @ 9:21am CDT
megatronus wrote:
T-Macksimus wrote:I give the figure itself a solid A+ and I give Hasbro a heart-felt F-U.

I'm not sure why you blame Hasbro for this - they want you to buy the figure just as much as you do. Fault with poor distribution likely falls on the brick & mortar retailers.


I could be wrong in what I'm about to say because I don't know everything. Just a preface, and I will gladly be corrected if/when I'm wrong.

I get why the primary problem with the figure distribution is with retailers. However, Hasbro does operate their own storefront in Hasbrotoyshop.com. If it's simply a problem with retailers not ordering the figures I don't get why Hasbro isn't selling the figures on their own site. Also it stands to reason that if hasbro is sitting on a backlog of figures why can't online retailers like BBTS and others get stock in? From an outsider position the most logical conclusion is that hasbro vastly underproduced the figures. Again there may be things I don't understand about retail business and distribution, and there may be information I don't have, but there again Hasbro is being pretty tight lipped about it.

Just calling it like I see it, and the best I can tell from the information presented me, Hasbro really screwed the pooch. Who knows maybe it'll be like Blaster was last year and we'll see tons of them hit stores in August, but Hasbro sure isn't talking.

On a side note this all just supports what I've been saying for a while now. Hasbro should adopt a subscription model for the generations line (and possibly the masterpiece line as well) like the Masters of the Universe toys. You subscribe for a year and get all the released figures, then there are a number produced beyond that which people can pick up in stores or online. That way the collectors never miss a figure.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557285)
Posted by megatronus on March 13th, 2014 @ 9:46am CDT
LordTwann wrote:
megatronus wrote:
T-Macksimus wrote:I give the figure itself a solid A+ and I give Hasbro a heart-felt F-U.

I'm not sure why you blame Hasbro for this - they want you to buy the figure just as much as you do. Fault with poor distribution likely falls on the brick & mortar retailers.


I could be wrong in what I'm about to say because I don't know everything. Just a preface, and I will gladly be corrected if/when I'm wrong.

I get why the primary problem with the figure distribution is with retailers. However, Hasbro does operate their own storefront in Hasbrotoyshop.com. If it's simply a problem with retailers not ordering the figures I don't get why Hasbro isn't selling the figures on their own site. Also it stands to reason that if hasbro is sitting on a backlog of figures why can't online retailers like BBTS and others get stock in? From an outsider position the most logical conclusion is that hasbro vastly underproduced the figures. Again there may be things I don't understand about retail business and distribution, and there may be information I don't have, but there again Hasbro is being pretty tight lipped about it.

Just because Hasbro operates their own dinky site doesn't mean they would overproduce figures just to sell on said site. If Hasbro operates like a traditional producer of goods, and I suspect they do, chances are they're going to take the hard orders from retailers/distributors, reconcile those with Hasbro's internal forecasts, and then produce a certain number of figures based on those numbers. BBTS may order a large quantity, but I would wager that their order pales in comparison to TRU, Target, etc. Orders are probably solicited up to 6 months in advance of product hitting shelves.

Obviously, the predicted number of figures needed doesn't always jive with the reality - sometimes Hasbro will overproduce based on predicted demand, and sometime they underproduce. And it sucks because a lot of the predicted demand likely comes, as I've speculated, from retailers' orders, which are in turn based on historical trends and seasonality. One of the reasons I personally think the Waspinator/Goldfire/Skids/Dreadwing wave was underproduced is due to it releasing after the New Year, when toy sales are historically down; retailers probably didn't order as many as they could have. And it's hard to say that Hasbro should have known 6 months in advance that this wave would be as popular as it was.

I'm sure I sound like a Hasbro apologist. I'm not trying to be, and Hasbro certainly shoulders some responsibility, but statements along the lines of "Y U HATE US HAZBRO!!!" annoy the hell out of me. The world is more complicated than people like to think.


LordTwann wrote:Just calling it like I see it, and the best I can tell from the information presented me, Hasbro really screwed the pooch. Who knows maybe it'll be like Blaster was last year and we'll see tons of them hit stores in August, but Hasbro sure isn't talking.

First you say Hasbro is tight-lipped and now you say information was presented to you... what information?


LordTwann wrote:On a side note this all just supports what I've been saying for a while now. Hasbro should adopt a subscription model for the generations line (and possibly the masterpiece line as well) like the Masters of the Universe toys. You subscribe for a year and get all the released figures, then there are a number produced beyond that which people can pick up in stores or online. That way the collectors never miss a figure.

That actually sounds like a great idea. :D
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557302)
Posted by Optimizzy on March 13th, 2014 @ 11:38am CDT
I kinda like it. Reminds me of my car so...I'll probably get it. I just havent heard great things about this particular mode. Some problem with the arm clearance. Is that correct?
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557319)
Posted by Flashwave on March 13th, 2014 @ 12:41pm CDT
GIMMIE!!! NOW!!!!

Love it. Agreed the painted silver would've looked better, but this is nice. My poor Skids is now hipless and trapped in his vehicle mode (G1 Accurate!!!) so I have a perfect reason to own the mold again. Just hope I can get my hands on him

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:One question: do his hip joints look misassembled to you guys?


Yes, I an see the vents that are blocking his legs from moving against his pelvic
megatronus wrote:
LordTwann wrote:
megatronus wrote:
T-Macksimus wrote:I give the figure itself a solid A+ and I give Hasbro a heart-felt F-U.

I'm not sure why you blame Hasbro for this - they want you to buy the figure just as much as you do. Fault with poor distribution likely falls on the brick & mortar retailers.


I could be wrong in what I'm about to say because I don't know everything. Just a preface, and I will gladly be corrected if/when I'm wrong.

I get why the primary problem with the figure distribution is with retailers. However, Hasbro does operate their own storefront in Hasbrotoyshop.com. If it's simply a problem with retailers not ordering the figures I don't get why Hasbro isn't selling the figures on their own site. Also it stands to reason that if hasbro is sitting on a backlog of figures why can't online retailers like BBTS and others get stock in? From an outsider position the most logical conclusion is that hasbro vastly underproduced the figures. Again there may be things I don't understand about retail business and distribution, and there may be information I don't have, but there again Hasbro is being pretty tight lipped about it.

Just because Hasbro operates their own dinky site doesn't mean they would overproduce figures just to sell on said site. If Hasbro operates like a traditional producer of goods, and I suspect they do, chances are they're going to take the hard orders from retailers/distributors, reconcile those with Hasbro's internal forecasts, and then produce a certain number of figures based on those numbers. BBTS may order a large quantity, but I would wager that their order pales in comparison to TRU, Target, etc. Orders are probably solicited up to 6 months in advance of product hitting shelves.

Obviously, the predicted number of figures needed doesn't always jive with the reality - sometimes Hasbro will overproduce based on predicted demand, and sometime they underproduce. And it sucks because a lot of the predicted demand likely comes, as I've speculated, from retailers' orders, which are in turn based on historical trends and seasonality. One of the reasons I personally think the Waspinator/Goldfire/Skids/Dreadwing wave was underproduced is due to it releasing after the New Year, when toy sales are historically down; retailers probably didn't order as many as they could have. And it's hard to say that Hasbro should have known 6 months in advance that this wave would be as popular as it was.

I'm sure I sound like a Hasbro apologist. I'm not trying to be, and Hasbro certainly shoulders some responsibility, but statements along the lines of "Y U HATE US HAZBRO!!!" annoy the hell out of me. The world is more complicated than people like to think.


LordTwann wrote:Just calling it like I see it, and the best I can tell from the information presented me, Hasbro really screwed the pooch. Who knows maybe it'll be like Blaster was last year and we'll see tons of them hit stores in August, but Hasbro sure isn't talking.

First you say Hasbro is tight-lipped and now you say information was presented to you... what information?


LordTwann wrote:On a side note this all just supports what I've been saying for a while now. Hasbro should adopt a subscription model for the generations line (and possibly the masterpiece line as well) like the Masters of the Universe toys. You subscribe for a year and get all the released figures, then there are a number produced beyond that which people can pick up in stores or online. That way the collectors never miss a figure.

That actually sounds like a great idea. :D


First off, Megatronus :APPLAUSE: for being an honset realist. Just want you to know that its appreciated you putting your neck out.

As to the last part: The subscripoion idea is great until A) you realize that the TF Club is doing one that so many people lambast, and 2) the Generations line isn't soley a collectors's market, at least not in the way that "Scourge" was, or Circuit or being back the Big Convoy mold. Sure, Crosscut's a niche character, but Armada Starscream is as much being marketed to kids who like fast looking jets as he is to his Armada fans. Half the current Generations line is comic book characters anyway, dudes that IDW is promoting. Just because Skids and Swerve and Tailgate are 1986 characters, their being protrayedin comics that children and young adults are reading RIGHT NOW. That makes them mainstream characters. And while I would love a guarenteed way to get these toys, especially Crosscut who I now have a Botcon Tracks and a repainted motorcycle minicon waiting for him, Hasbro is not gonna undersell their clients, the big box stores, on mainstream toys. And I don't know this for sure, but I'd bet someone else's money that the HTS site is Hasbro's internal liquidation. Things go up for sale after the stores get their orders, and may show up earlier than the sotres because of distribuion times, bu the stock is limited and not wasting space in a Hasbro warehouse. And the limited excess is Hasbro getting around not underselling a clientelle.


What is being rpoposed by LordTwann would and could certainly work, and maybe even work better than the Club program (although again, they're releasing figures ((Excess replacement stock)) that are also being sold through THEIR store, so arguably its the same system just not being supported by good logistics.) just not with this pool of characters within the Generations line.

The good news: All the pegs in the stores around me are empty, so the new Generations wave will go up almost immediately, so now its just a matter of time mking sure it gets out, and that I get to my Crosscut before someone else does.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557324)
Posted by LordTwann on March 13th, 2014 @ 12:49pm CDT
megatronus wrote:
LordTwann wrote:
megatronus wrote:
T-Macksimus wrote:I give the figure itself a solid A+ and I give Hasbro a heart-felt F-U.

I'm not sure why you blame Hasbro for this - they want you to buy the figure just as much as you do. Fault with poor distribution likely falls on the brick & mortar retailers.


I could be wrong in what I'm about to say because I don't know everything. Just a preface, and I will gladly be corrected if/when I'm wrong.

I get why the primary problem with the figure distribution is with retailers. However, Hasbro does operate their own storefront in Hasbrotoyshop.com. If it's simply a problem with retailers not ordering the figures I don't get why Hasbro isn't selling the figures on their own site. Also it stands to reason that if hasbro is sitting on a backlog of figures why can't online retailers like BBTS and others get stock in? From an outsider position the most logical conclusion is that hasbro vastly underproduced the figures. Again there may be things I don't understand about retail business and distribution, and there may be information I don't have, but there again Hasbro is being pretty tight lipped about it.

Just because Hasbro operates their own dinky site doesn't mean they would overproduce figures just to sell on said site. If Hasbro operates like a traditional producer of goods, and I suspect they do, chances are they're going to take the hard orders from retailers/distributors, reconcile those with Hasbro's internal forecasts, and then produce a certain number of figures based on those numbers. BBTS may order a large quantity, but I would wager that their order pales in comparison to TRU, Target, etc. Orders are probably solicited up to 6 months in advance of product hitting shelves.

Obviously, the predicted number of figures needed doesn't always jive with the reality - sometimes Hasbro will overproduce based on predicted demand, and sometime they underproduce. And it sucks because a lot of the predicted demand likely comes, as I've speculated, from retailers' orders, which are in turn based on historical trends and seasonality. One of the reasons I personally think the Waspinator/Goldfire/Skids/Dreadwing wave was underproduced is due to it releasing after the New Year, when toy sales are historically down; retailers probably didn't order as many as they could have. And it's hard to say that Hasbro should have known 6 months in advance that this wave would be as popular as it was.

I'm sure I sound like a Hasbro apologist. I'm not trying to be, and Hasbro certainly shoulders some responsibility, but statements along the lines of "Y U HATE US HAZBRO!!!" annoy the hell out of me. The world is more complicated than people like to think.


LordTwann wrote:Just calling it like I see it, and the best I can tell from the information presented me, Hasbro really screwed the pooch. Who knows maybe it'll be like Blaster was last year and we'll see tons of them hit stores in August, but Hasbro sure isn't talking.

First you say Hasbro is tight-lipped and now you say information was presented to you... what information?


LordTwann wrote:On a side note this all just supports what I've been saying for a while now. Hasbro should adopt a subscription model for the generations line (and possibly the masterpiece line as well) like the Masters of the Universe toys. You subscribe for a year and get all the released figures, then there are a number produced beyond that which people can pick up in stores or online. That way the collectors never miss a figure.

That actually sounds like a great idea. :D




The "information" I speak of is what I can see and hear. I see that there is no supply and lots of demand.

And I'm not saying Hasbro should overproduce figures. I'm going to have to make some assumptions based on logic here because I have no actual production numbers or hard data. But lets look at wave one of generations deluxe 2014. They were released and sold only very briefly the end of last year supposedly, I personally never saw them. Now if as most seem to suggest and suspect retailers under ordered them, that stands to reason that either a) They're sitting in some warehouse somewhere, or b) production is tied to actual orders and since only so many of those were placed, only so many were produced. Or maybe there's a c) Hasbro for some reason only made a very small quantity and then retailers ordered from that small pool. Or maybe I'm missing something, but these seem the most likely conclusions, and none are good.

So you lets say B) Retailers only want this many so that's what they make. Hasbro has to notice that the orders for the product are way under the numbers that previous waves have sold. That's where they could step in and make more to sell themselves on their site. They have the means. The typical numbers may pale in comparison to orders from Walmart or Target but it's still a pretty robust site.

Now I fully admit that I'm guessing, I'm not a retail specialist. I'm just looking at the world around me with it's complete lack of supply in retail sources and ebay prices of $50 on a $12 figure. That's pretty startling for a figure that's only a couple months old that isn't supposed to be some sort of collectors item. And I'm not a Hasbro hater, I love them, always have, that's why I want to see them succeed and make good products and make us all happy. However here they made a mistake, and I believe it's far to simplistic to say it's all the retailers fault, they want to make money too, and without product to sell they're not doing that.

And to get myself back to the original topic, this fig looks cool. While the attempts at sticking the character into canon in the comics is kind of ham-fisted I do think it's a cool mold, and if I ever actually see him at retail I may grab him.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557342)
Posted by Flashwave on March 13th, 2014 @ 1:34pm CDT
LordTwann wrote:
megatronus wrote:
LordTwann wrote:
megatronus wrote:
T-Macksimus wrote:I give the figure itself a solid A+ and I give Hasbro a heart-felt F-U.

I'm not sure why you blame Hasbro for this - they want you to buy the figure just as much as you do. Fault with poor distribution likely falls on the brick & mortar retailers.


I could be wrong in what I'm about to say because I don't know everything. Just a preface, and I will gladly be corrected if/when I'm wrong.

I get why the primary problem with the figure distribution is with retailers. However, Hasbro does operate their own storefront in Hasbrotoyshop.com. If it's simply a problem with retailers not ordering the figures I don't get why Hasbro isn't selling the figures on their own site. Also it stands to reason that if hasbro is sitting on a backlog of figures why can't online retailers like BBTS and others get stock in? From an outsider position the most logical conclusion is that hasbro vastly underproduced the figures. Again there may be things I don't understand about retail business and distribution, and there may be information I don't have, but there again Hasbro is being pretty tight lipped about it.

Just because Hasbro operates their own dinky site doesn't mean they would overproduce figures just to sell on said site. If Hasbro operates like a traditional producer of goods, and I suspect they do, chances are they're going to take the hard orders from retailers/distributors, reconcile those with Hasbro's internal forecasts, and then produce a certain number of figures based on those numbers. BBTS may order a large quantity, but I would wager that their order pales in comparison to TRU, Target, etc. Orders are probably solicited up to 6 months in advance of product hitting shelves.

Obviously, the predicted number of figures needed doesn't always jive with the reality - sometimes Hasbro will overproduce based on predicted demand, and sometime they underproduce. And it sucks because a lot of the predicted demand likely comes, as I've speculated, from retailers' orders, which are in turn based on historical trends and seasonality. One of the reasons I personally think the Waspinator/Goldfire/Skids/Dreadwing wave was underproduced is due to it releasing after the New Year, when toy sales are historically down; retailers probably didn't order as many as they could have. And it's hard to say that Hasbro should have known 6 months in advance that this wave would be as popular as it was.

I'm sure I sound like a Hasbro apologist. I'm not trying to be, and Hasbro certainly shoulders some responsibility, but statements along the lines of "Y U HATE US HAZBRO!!!" annoy the hell out of me. The world is more complicated than people like to think.


LordTwann wrote:Just calling it like I see it, and the best I can tell from the information presented me, Hasbro really screwed the pooch. Who knows maybe it'll be like Blaster was last year and we'll see tons of them hit stores in August, but Hasbro sure isn't talking.

First you say Hasbro is tight-lipped and now you say information was presented to you... what information?


LordTwann wrote:On a side note this all just supports what I've been saying for a while now. Hasbro should adopt a subscription model for the generations line (and possibly the masterpiece line as well) like the Masters of the Universe toys. You subscribe for a year and get all the released figures, then there are a number produced beyond that which people can pick up in stores or online. That way the collectors never miss a figure.

That actually sounds like a great idea. :D




The "information" I speak of is what I can see and hear. I see that there is no supply and lots of demand.

And I'm not saying Hasbro should overproduce figures. I'm going to have to make some assumptions based on logic here because I have no actual production numbers or hard data. But lets look at wave one of generations deluxe 2014. They were released and sold only very briefly the end of last year supposedly, I personally never saw them. Now if as most seem to suggest and suspect retailers under ordered them, that stands to reason that either a) They're sitting in some warehouse somewhere, or b) production is tied to actual orders and since only so many of those were placed, only so many were produced. Or maybe there's a c) Hasbro for some reason only made a very small quantity and then retailers ordered from that small pool. Or maybe I'm missing something, but these seem the most likely conclusions, and none are good.

So you lets say B) Retailers only want this many so that's what they make. Hasbro has to notice that the orders for the product are way under the numbers that previous waves have sold. That's where they could step in and make more to sell themselves on their site. They have the means. The typical numbers may pale in comparison to orders from Walmart or Target but it's still a pretty robust site.

Now I fully admit that I'm guessing, I'm not a retail specialist. I'm just looking at the world around me with it's complete lack of supply in retail sources and ebay prices of $50 on a $12 figure. That's pretty startling for a figure that's only a couple months old that isn't supposed to be some sort of collectors item. And I'm not a Hasbro hater, I love them, always have, that's why I want to see them succeed and make good products and make us all happy. However here they made a mistake, and I believe it's far to simplistic to say it's all the retailers fault, they want to make money too, and without product to sell they're not doing that.

And to get myself back to the original topic, this fig looks cool. While the attempts at sticking the character into canon in the comics is kind of ham-fisted I do think it's a cool mold, and if I ever actually see him at retail I may grab him.


Ah, but the thing about Ebay, "Collectable"=/=High Price and High Price=/= Collectable. Look at he Botcon stuff, those were intended to be collector's market figures, not all of them hold value. Meanwhile, things that people really want go up in value, supply and emand.

Looking at your list of potential scenarios, B) is the most likely. That's how Model Train manufactuers are working now, only its based on end-customer orders instead of stores. And it sucks, becaus you have to pre-order everything from $20 cars to $500 engines, (That's 1:87 scale prcing, the Oscale Lionel guys pay double or triple that) and then hope they don't all show up at the same time.

Imagine having to go to Walmart anf tell them "Next week I'm going to need a gallon of milk, a big pack of toilet paper, a bunch of bananas, diapers for my baby, pens, Hostess Cupcakes, bread, eggs, printer ink, and a new pair of shoes." just in the hopes hat they'll have it for you, or else they might not order enough. Its that bad in the model trains world, and its a business plan that is spreading because it doesn't create a lot of warehousing costs and unsold product.

And if the stores are posting lower sales number for 1st quarter 2014, its more than likely this is a trend Hasbro already knows about. Now, if t number comes in lowballed like Swerve and Cosmos did, then they are gonna panic and scramble like they have. But I don't think that's the case with the mainline figures. Megatronus has it right, Hasbro is gonna have an idea of what they think they'll sell. If the orders come in higher, they make more. If its a bit lower, then they HTS the difference. If it's substantially lower, then its time to evaluate whether a line is actually gonna sell. We may want the figures, but Hasbro isn't gonna swallow a bullet like a full line, and risk the product stallling out (debt) or underselling a client (even though they turned it down to begin with, egos run deep)

The other options: A) If so, then its probably in Walmart and Target stock, buried under old waves still trying to get out. I'm only just seeing the newest Beast Hunters CASES at Walmart. I get off work at 11pm, so I can see the boxes being wheeled out when I go to the store. Its not that I'd missed the new waves, they've not been on the pegs. The only reason I got Prowl was because he had a free Bulkhead attached to him, the older 2013 w2 stuff is still on the skids in back.

One of my Wlamarts just put up a Generations Megatron. I don' know if he's the last member of a case or a returned unopened figure, but the potential for the first is very strong.
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Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557363)
Posted by mooncake623 on March 13th, 2014 @ 3:08pm CDT
EDIT nm.

Eeewww
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Hope these ebay auctions don't end too high. This looks like a really bad factory reject.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557452)
Posted by shajaki on March 13th, 2014 @ 9:41pm CDT
*sidesteps essay posts*

i dont even like this mold but im diggin crosscut. i mean, id like his silver to be all shiny like united or asia three packs, but its not a deal breaker by any means. ill buy him just cause takara and hasbro doing the same figures lately seems iffy but wont be upset to re-buy if takara polishes him up.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557454)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 13th, 2014 @ 9:46pm CDT
shajaki wrote:*sidesteps essay posts*

i dont even like this mold but im diggin crosscut. i mean, id like his silver to be all shiny like united or asia three packs, but its not a deal breaker by any means. ill buy him just cause takara and hasbro doing the same figures lately seems iffy but wont be upset to re-buy if takara polishes him up.
And that's a big "if" since it's anyone's guess if Takara will even release their own version of Crosscut for their Generations toyline or not, since they skipped previosu remolds like the FOC Wreckers, Goldfire, and Dreadwing. They haven't even done Skids yet but are already jumping to Armada Starscream and the Mini-Con Assault Team.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557461)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on March 13th, 2014 @ 10:40pm CDT
I don't know why everyone is so upset with Hasbro over the availability of Skids. It proves Hasbro's dedication to G1 authenticity that Skids is so shortpacked and difficult to find at retail. ;)
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557462)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 13th, 2014 @ 10:49pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:I don't know why everyone is so upset with Hasbro over the availability of Skids. It proves Hasbro's dedication to G1 authenticity that Skids is so shortpacked and difficult to find at retail. ;)
It's not just Skids. All four of those figures in his wave just up and vanished from retail so quickly.

I only saw the four of them twice (once at Walmart and once at TRU), and but times was at a time when I had no money to spend with because my wallet was still recovering from all the holiday purchases it was used for.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557470)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on March 13th, 2014 @ 11:12pm CDT
Yes, but I was only trying to add a little levity via Transformers-centric "bad comedy." ;) Plus, I'd wager that the one from this wave that EVERYONE wants is Skids, being that he helps to complete the 1985 Autobot cars. Goldbug doesn't quite have the same "buzz" as Skids, and although G2 and Beast Wars have dedicated fanbases, Dreadwing and Waspinator don't have the same station in Transformers fandom that G1 characters do, even ones that are in all of two episodes of the original cartoon in what amounts to token appearances.
Re: In-Hand Images: Transformers Generations Deluxe Crosscut (1557983)
Posted by Manterax Prime on March 16th, 2014 @ 4:28pm CDT
K2vox wrote:EASY pass. crappy NON-painted gray body and look at those FEET. paint gaps?! good god. I can't even... :SICK: :SICK: :SICK: :SICK: :SICK: :SICK:


Color-blind, you are. Crosscut is molded in SILVER plastic.

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