Leader Dragonstorm, Voyager Bumblebee and More from Transformers: The Last Knight Revealed on Amazon Spain

Is that Turbo Changer Grimlock wearing a crown?!!

Sabrblade wrote:Is that Turbo Changer Grimlock wearing a crown?!!

That's King Grimlock to you, peasant.

Anyone else find it sad that the turbocharger grimlock looks more convincing than the voyager? The alt mode looks so much better, heck, even the robot mode looks awesome.

breacher wrote:Anyone else find it sad that the turbocharger grimlock looks more convincing than the voyager? The alt mode looks so much better, heck, even the robot mode looks awesome.

Um are you looking at them the right way round? The voyager is great and the turbo charger is simplified and a bit out of proportion.

At least the dino arms on the turbo charger look more secure though i suppose.

Wait, Voyager Bumblebee?

Unless he's got a new non-car altmode, this could be the first time we've ever gotten a normal-looking non-truck/non-buggy car Transformer in the proper Voyager class of a regular multi-size class toyline (Alternators and MP are not normal lines, Human Alliance was a separate size class from Voyager, and Cybertron Crumplezone and Thirlling 30 Springer were sci-fi cars).

Sabrblade wrote:Wait, Voyager Bumblebee?

Unless he's got a new non-car altmode, this could be the first time we've ever gotten a normal-looking non-truck/non-buggy car Transformer in the proper Voyager class of a regular multi-size class toyline (Alternators and MP are not normal lines, Human Alliance was a separate size class from Voyager, and Cybertron Crumplezone and Thirlling 30 Springer were sci-fi cars).

I kinda hope it isn't a car though not sure what else it could possibly be. For my tastes Deluxe is the right size for the cars since they scale well with the majority and since cars are so used so much in the entire franchise it's best they're in the easily affordable range. I did like the HA line but in the end I sold them all off cos I just found them too big and awkward to go with much else.

VOYAGER Bumblebee?! Bee's never gotten a voyager before, so I'm very intrigued to see what this one will look like. Perhaps this one will include the hammer?

(I really wish they had a spit take emoji because I totally would've used it just then)

The Lost age (voaygerish size) Optimus (the one with a trailer) has a nicer looking truck mode than the new voyager does - I think the Takara one might be slightly (very slightly) better coloured too.

I'm not bothered by the prices as ARGOS often has "Half Price Sales" so the stupid prices won't catch out only the desperate.

They usually have a Half Price sale in November for example and possibly other times. so that would put a Voyager down to £17.50

I wouldn't be surprised if Smyths, Very and even TRU will be cheaper and The Entertainer flip flops from expensive to dirt cheap too.

But yes £23.00 for a reissued Bumblebee in a different shade of yellow that TRU couldn't hardly give away even when it came with a free Generations Bumblebee is sort of delusionally amusing.

Especially if these end up sharing shelves with other DISCOUNTED Transformers - I know i'd rather have an RID Blurr for £8.99 than a Reissued Slash (in baby blue) for £23.00 when I could buy a Titans Return Voyager for that and have several pounds change.

I do kinda like the new Hound though... which is odd as I never even bothered to buy the previous one at all.

RAR wrote:The Lost age (voaygerish size) Optimus (the one with a trailer) has a nicer looking truck mode than the new voyager does - I think the Takara one might be slightly (very slightly) better coloured too.

To be fair, that was a massive shellformer. The entire front of the cab is a solid piece that just flipped over to be a giant solid backpack (reason I didn't get it). And I believe the legs are also fused together, though I may be wrong on that one.

Flip that helmet up and you got a decent tail club/thagomizer.

Really digging Starsc..... Megatron.

Sabrblade wrote:Is that Turbo Changer Grimlock wearing a crown?!!

No. I think it's a chicken!

RAR wrote:The Lost age (voaygerish size) Optimus (the one with a trailer) has a nicer looking truck mode than the new voyager does - I think the Takara one might be slightly (very slightly) better coloured too.

So what, it has a garbage robot mode with crap articulation.

I mean if the robot mode doesnt count for anything and we are only looking at the truck mode, then this one has all the rest beat.



Anyways, RAR, can you please show me what the slight colour changes are between the hasbro and takara voyager First Edition Prime? Because no one has found any yet. If there is an actual change you can spot, show it to us and we can news it.

breacher wrote:Anyone else find it sad that the turbocharger grimlock looks more convincing than the voyager? The alt mode looks so much better.

You sure you didnt miss the giant green tumour it has growing on the tip of its tail?

william-james88 wrote:

breacher wrote:Anyone else find it sad that the turbocharger grimlock looks more convincing than the voyager? The alt mode looks so much better.

You sure you didnt miss the giant green tumour it has growing on the tip of its tail?

Grimlock doesn't like to talk about that, okay? He's sensitive about it.

Man, is it just me, or did has/tak really nail each version of megs (both voyager and leader) they both look equally great on their own merit, and I really wouldn't mind double-dipping (especially as all the other offerings look fairly paltry)

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, is it just me, or did has/tak really nail each version of megs (both voyager and leader) they both look equally great on their own merit, and I really wouldn't mind double-dipping (especially as all the other offerings look fairly paltry)

Na, that voyager looks less and less great. He's pretty much a robot under a jet, you can even see his feet right under his wings. It ends up having a similar transformation (for the legs) to Prime Megatron. Also, unlike the Leader, the weings fold up around his legs in robot mode so you also get some random wing parts there instead of a uniform robot mode. He's also more kibbly in robot mode than I would have thought, with those pieces of kibble dangling at his waist.




I think I will still get him but he is definitely losing some of that magic I first saw.

Oh man, that Optimus facing up against that Megatron is just bad comedY:

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Man, is it just me, or did has/tak really nail each version of megs (both voyager and leader) they both look equally great on their own merit, and I really wouldn't mind double-dipping (especially as all the other offerings look fairly paltry)

Na, that voyager looks less and less great. He's pretty much a robot under a jet, you can even see his feet right under his wings. It ends up having a similar transformation (for the legs) to Prime Megatron. Also, unlike the Leader, the weings fold up around his legs in robot mode so you also get some random wing parts there instead of a uniform robot mode. He's also more kibbly in robot mode than I would have thought, with those pieces of kibble dangling at his waist.





I think I will still get him but he is definitely losing some of that magic I first saw.

You used the same pic twice, and for what they are (two different size classes adhering to different parts counts and budgets) it's pretty great that they are both independently good enough to be satisfying.

Hellscream9999 wrote:You used the same pic twice, and for what they are (two different size classes adhering to different parts counts and budgets) it's pretty great that they are both independently good enough to be satisfying.

Thanks fixed! And yes I do agree on that, its cool to have options in different size classes for this cool new design.

Insurgent wrote:
To be fair, that was a massive shellformer. The entire front of the cab is a solid piece that just flipped over to be a giant solid backpack (reason I didn't get it). And I believe the legs are also fused together, though I may be wrong on that one.

It's the sleeper cab sides and roof that flip over on to the back the cab forms the back of the legs. He's arms and legs are full articulated the kibble is kinda terrible - but he's full of electronics so that is the excuse and frankly with the wing pack on you don't hardly notice it at all. He's really pretty in truck mode though.

The Transformation is forgivable since he's essentially a giant one-step changer playset. It is interesting to note that he comes with a couple of cade's rifle/sword sized for deluxes/voyager/onesteps.

I wouldn't expect anyone who didn't like onesteps to get excited by him. But I will defend him enough to say he's a whole lot nicer than the slam and change Optimus. He's also got a more accurate chest design than the earlier AOE Optimus toys too - he's basically got the same changes Takara's leader remould had.

Oh and yes if you want to gush about truck modes there are a few nice examples depending on tastes - I actually like the silver Knight one myself - but the one that comes with sideswipe is nice too. as is one of the repaint leaders - my fav is Takara's remould though - but there is that new version of that to consider - but I've not follow that one much so I barely know what it looks like in detail.

It's not a mould I like so much I'd want to rush to go completist on it.

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For anyone feeling like playing spot the difference here is the Japanese version of Voyager Optimus :





Also Is that Leader Optimus (slight repaint facing up to Leader Megs) a wide release toy ?

I am sure they are the same toy. Hasbro's official pic seems to come from the same photosession as Takara's

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/6734349#

Once again Megatron doesn't actually turn into anything, so that robot mode under the wings is twice as lazy. For crying out loud at least make him a Global Hawk or something based in real life. I like the new voyager Prime though.

a sci fi alt mode isn't a valid excuse to not make a proper transformation..

RAR wrote:a sci fi alt mode isn't a valid excuse to not make a proper transformation..

It looks on par with his first movie form, really. He certainly could have done worse:


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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

RAR wrote:a sci fi alt mode isn't a valid excuse to not make a proper transformation..

It looks on par with his first movie form, really. He certainly could have done worse:


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I respectfully disagree. This Megatron is leagues better than his first movie jet mode. At least this looks like a jet. Not an earth one mind you, but he looks somewhat aerodynamic. which his previous flying vehicle modes really lacked.

and yes, he would have done much much worse.

Megatron hasn't had the best track record with flying vehicle modes.

At least the leader class Megatron seems to be a better representation of the on screen model, and looks pretty cool in my opinion.

Megatron's altmode looks like it could fit right alongside the kinds of altmodes seen in the Unicron Trilogy, and I don't recall anyone complaining about those toys' altmodes not being Earthen enough, especially when it came to the likes of the Cybertron line's Speed Planet or Planet X toys.

Sabrblade wrote:Megatron's altmode looks like it could fit right alongside the kinds of altmodes seen in the Unicron Trilogy, and I don't recall anyone complaining about those toys' altmodes not being Earthen enough, especially when it came to the likes of the Cybertron line's Speed Planet or Planet X toys.

This isn't the Unicron Trilogy, those bots were not on Earth.

MR Optimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Megatron's altmode looks like it could fit right alongside the kinds of altmodes seen in the Unicron Trilogy, and I don't recall anyone complaining about those toys' altmodes not being Earthen enough, especially when it came to the likes of the Cybertron line's Speed Planet or Planet X toys.

This isn't the Unicron Trilogy, those bots were not on Earth.

Yes they were. Override, Ransack, Crumplezone, Sideways, all went to Earth without changing their altmodes.

Why, even Megatron, Starscream, and Vector Prime all kept their Cybertronian altmodes on Earth.

Even Optimus Prime's supposedly Earthen altmode looked like no actual fire truck of real life. It could even turn into a flying fire truck and those certainly don't exist in the real world.

Sabrblade wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Megatron's altmode looks like it could fit right alongside the kinds of altmodes seen in the Unicron Trilogy, and I don't recall anyone complaining about those toys' altmodes not being Earthen enough, especially when it came to the likes of the Cybertron line's Speed Planet or Planet X toys.

This isn't the Unicron Trilogy, those bots were not on Earth.

Yes they were. Override, Ransack, Crumplezone, Sideways, all went to Earth without changing their altmodes.

Why, even Megatron, Starscream, and Vector Prime all kept their Cybertronian altmodes on Earth.

Even Optimus Prime's supposedly Earthen altmode looked like no actual fire truck of real life. It could even turn into a flying fire truck and those certainly don't exist in the real world.

Exactly, dunno what peoples' problems are, the same could be said for animated and prime; I guess since it's a movie, it's cool to complain about every aspect of it

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Megatron's altmode looks like it could fit right alongside the kinds of altmodes seen in the Unicron Trilogy, and I don't recall anyone complaining about those toys' altmodes not being Earthen enough, especially when it came to the likes of the Cybertron line's Speed Planet or Planet X toys.

This isn't the Unicron Trilogy, those bots were not on Earth.

Yes they were. Override, Ransack, Crumplezone, Sideways, all went to Earth without changing their altmodes.

Why, even Megatron, Starscream, and Vector Prime all kept their Cybertronian altmodes on Earth.

Even Optimus Prime's supposedly Earthen altmode looked like no actual fire truck of real life. It could even turn into a flying fire truck and those certainly don't exist in the real world.

Exactly, dunno what peoples' problems are, the same could be said for animated and prime; I guess since it's a movie, it's cool to complain about every aspect of it

Cybertron even had Optimus flat out call Scattorshot out on his scanning a tank as his Earth altmode (a tank that in no way resembles any real world tank, btw) when the Autobots were supposed to try to be inconspicuous.

Besides, we already got a Movie Megatron with an Earthen altmode. Go buy the DOTM Voyager if anyone here really wants Megatron to be an Earth vehicle that badly. It's a better figure than most of Movie Megatron's other toys anyway.

Sabrblade wrote:Wait, Voyager Bumblebee?

Unless he's got a new non-car altmode, this could be the first time we've ever gotten a normal-looking non-truck/non-buggy car Transformer in the proper Voyager class of a regular multi-size class toyline.

There technically is another voyager bee, per japanese price point.

In the movie advanced line, the Battle Blade bumblebee was priced and packaged as a voyager:



This line being full of repaints and bee going back to his older look, I would not be surprised if thats all this is, a repackaged HFTD BB Bee in a voyager box.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Wait, Voyager Bumblebee?

Unless he's got a new non-car altmode, this could be the first time we've ever gotten a normal-looking non-truck/non-buggy car Transformer in the proper Voyager class of a regular multi-size class toyline.

There technically is another voyager bee, per japanese price point.

In the movie advanced line, the Battle Blade bumblebee was priced and packaged as a voyager:

Only because of the toy having too much mass for the established size of that line's Deluxe class packaging. Takara doesn't really follow a standard of pricepoints to the letter that Hasbro does. In actuality, we know that it's just a big Deluxe mold and not a true Voyager.

Even discounting precedence in Cybertron and the like, I'm sorry, but that's a fucking excellent Cybertronian mode. It's the perfect blend of futuristic and alien yet still having clear ties to a recognisable earthen vehicle. This isn't exactly Fort Max or TFP Megatron; the jet mode legitimately looks awesome.

MR Optimus Prime wrote:Once again Megatron doesn't actually turn into anything, so that robot mode under the wings is twice as lazy. For crying out loud at least make him a Global Hawk or something based in real life. I like the new voyager Prime though.

Megatron has been fairly consistently portrayed as refusing to adopt Earthen alt modes in the films. He only did it in Dark of the Moon because he was hiding out in Africa. In Age of Extinction his consciousness submerged from the Galvatron unit and he didn't bother adopting a new alt mode during the battle in China. Now that he's Megatron again, and not fleeing from anything, he can go back to boasting a non-Earth alt mode for practical transportation purposes rather than disguise.

Anyway the vehicle itself looks sufficiently jet-like, even if it's fictitious. The Leader class figure especially makes it look fantastic. This is a non-earth Megatron I can really get behind.

Megs new body looks like something you'd expect to see in the movie's flashback scenes.

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Cybertron and Cybertron defense Scattershot both look pretty normal to me one is a typical European armoured personel carrier - like the BT-4 only with tracks for the rear instead of wheels similar to a BSM-1 Alacran also (not that unlike the base body of CD Red Alert's vehicle mode or that of Universe Ultra Onslaught) only with a slightly larger gun than is usual. and CD Scattershot is a pretty typical MLRS rocket box tank of the kind that has existed in one form or another for over 70 years.

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I was looking at Drift's new car mode and it crossed my mind that with a new head and a bit of mischief in mind Hasbro could make a Movie Quickshadow out of him.

King Kuuga wrote:
Anyway the vehicle itself looks sufficiently jet-like, even if it's fictitious. The Leader class figure especially makes it look fantastic. This is a non-earth Megatron I can really get behind.

I agree.
In fact I suggest a top 5 list for Willy James.

Top 5 Least terrible flying alt modes Megatron has ever had. I'm sure this one would make it in the top 3.

and conversely top 5 worst flying alt modes Megatron has ever had, and the movie 1 and 2 designs are sure to be there.

Overcracker wrote:

King Kuuga wrote:
Anyway the vehicle itself looks sufficiently jet-like, even if it's fictitious. The Leader class figure especially makes it look fantastic. This is a non-earth Megatron I can really get behind.

I agree.
In fact I suggest a top 5 list for Willy James.

Top 5 Least terrible flying alt modes Megatron has ever had. I'm sure this one would make it in the top 3.

and conversely top 5 worst flying alt modes Megatron has ever had, and the movie 1 and 2 designs are sure to be there.

Are there even enough to make a list?

For now, we have the following which deal with all that:

Top 5 Worst Cases of Visible Head Syndrome Among Transformers Toys

Top 5 Most Indistinguishable Alt Modes Among Transformers Toys

Top 5 Best Transformers Toys with Cybertronian Alt Modes (Air Vehicles)

Top 5 Megatron Transformers Toys

william-james88 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

King Kuuga wrote:
Anyway the vehicle itself looks sufficiently jet-like, even if it's fictitious. The Leader class figure especially makes it look fantastic. This is a non-earth Megatron I can really get behind.

I agree.
In fact I suggest a top 5 list for Willy James.

Top 5 Least terrible flying alt modes Megatron has ever had. I'm sure this one would make it in the top 3.

and conversely top 5 worst flying alt modes Megatron has ever had, and the movie 1 and 2 designs are sure to be there.

Are there even enough to make a list?

For now, we have the following which deal with all that:

Top 5 Worst Cases of Visible Head Syndrome Among Transformers Toys

Top 5 Most Indistinguishable Alt Modes Among Transformers Toys

Top 5 Best Transformers Toys with Cybertronian Alt Modes (Air Vehicles)

Top 5 Megatron Transformers Toys

Off the top of my head , Megatron's with flying alt modes (flying beast modes excluded, though one might make a case for Transmetals Megatron): 2001 R.I.D, Energon, Cybertron, Animated x 2 (cybertronian and helicopter), Prime, 2007 Movie, ROTF, TLK.

So 10 if you count Transmetal Megatron. So just barely enough to make a list.

Overcracker wrote:So 10 if you count Transmetal Megatron. So just barely enough to make a list.

Yeah, so I will just stick to what I already have, it covers them all already aside from the new leader.

Oh and about animated megatron, he's here too

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/top-10-worst-transformers-toys-of-all-time/34791/

william-james88 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:So 10 if you count Transmetal Megatron. So just barely enough to make a list.

Yeah, so I will just stick to what I already have, it covers them all already aside from the new leader.

Oh and about animated megatron, he's here too

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/top-10-worst-transformers-toys-of-all-time/34791/

Yeah, can't blame you.

The point was, TLK Megs is, all joking aside, a much much better cybertronian flying vehicle than many others Megatron has had in the past.

If you were making a top 5 list of best Megatron Flight modes you'd have to include TR Megatron. Yeah, yeah, I know he's Blitzwing with different colours and a few molding differences... but it's still a Megatron and it's still an absolutely stunning jet mode. How has this year managed to have two great Voyager Megatrons with amazing flight modes...

On a completely different topic that's more on-topic, has Slash always been called Sludge in Japan?
https://tfsource.com/TF5-the-last-knigh ... ot-sludge/

Overcracker wrote:
The point was, TLK Megs is, all joking aside, a much much better cybertronian flying vehicle than many others Megatron has had in the past.

yes he is and i get what you mean. If he will appear on a list one day it would be for the top 5 toys from the second TF movie trilogy. Thats if he ends up being as good as we think and doesnt get beaten. So far his only competition seems to be AOE Voyager Prime though.

william-james88 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:
The point was, TLK Megs is, all joking aside, a much much better cybertronian flying vehicle than many others Megatron has had in the past.

yes he is and i get what you mean. If he will appear on a list one day it would be for the top 5 toys from the second TF movie trilogy. Thats if he ends up being as good as we think and doesnt get beaten. So far his only competition seems to be AOE Voyager Prime though.

Indeed. That Evasion Mode Prime is fantastic in both modes.

Sabrblade wrote:Only because of the toy having too much mass for the established size of that line's Deluxe class packaging. Takara doesn't really follow a standard of pricepoints to the letter that Hasbro does. In actuality, we know that it's just a big Deluxe mold and not a true Voyager.

Sure we know that, but would you really put it pass Hasbro not to do it? I mean this is the big ticket Prime toy being sold in the US for the film:



So in a line where they are rereleasing older molds, you really think its impossible, for them to repackage BB Bumblebee in bot mode and call it a voyager?

If there's on thing I learnt in this hobby is that there is no precedent until there is one.

TFW2005 boards member Korito has discovered TLK Premier Edition Deluxes at retail in Chile. Pictures include Barricade, Berserker and Slash. To see all of the upcoming figures from The Last Knight movie, please check out our gallery.

The figures pictured below were seen at Mirax in Apumanque, Santiago. They cost roughly 35 USD each with the current exchange rates. These figures are available online too on Mirax website (shipping to Chile only) as noted by Diego Maldonado of Transformers Chile.

I like the new packaging. Makes it easier to reuse.

$35 for a deluxe figure? I know that's just the price when accounting for exchange rates but that's ridiculous. If they go for that amount over here in the US then I'll have to skip this line, and I really want a couple of figures from this line.

LevelRaze wrote:$35 for a deluxe figure? I know that's just the price when accounting for exchange rates but that's ridiculous. If they go for that amount over here in the US then I'll have to skip this line, and I really want a couple of figures from this line.

Dont worry, they wont even be close to that. We already have the price points and even the voyagers are less than 35$



That how much target will be selling the voyagers.

LevelRaze wrote:$35 for a deluxe figure? I know that's just the price when accounting for exchange rates but that's ridiculous. If they go for that amount over here in the US then I'll have to skip this line, and I really want a couple of figures from this line.

Over here the deluxes are 20, the voyagers are 30, and the leaders are 60. An increase, but not by this much.