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SillySpringer wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:"Emissary" and Cerebros. So Emissary is the small guy/head of Cerebros right?

This is correct. He even looks like the cartoon "The Rebirth" styled head

Interesting. I didn't know Spike became the head in some points.

RiddlerJ wrote:I want to like that Astrotrain, but it's kinda meh. The train mode is too far away from a real train, (so is the shuttle) for the character. This isn't a bad thing in of itself, but it just isn't convincing me to upgrade from the Classics Astrotrain which also had compromised alt modes.

I do like Galvatron on the other hand. He would be a nice upgrade from that crappy Universe version

william-james88 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:"Emissary" and Cerebros. So Emissary is the small guy/head of Cerebros right?

This is correct. He even looks like the cartoon "The Rebirth" styled head

Interesting. I didn't know Spike became the head in some points.

Yup, the Hasbro G1 toy headmaster head was Spike. Thats pretty crazy when you think about it, a human becoming a headmaster.

RiddlerJ wrote:I want to like that Astrotrain, but it's kinda meh. The train mode is too far away from a real train, (so is the shuttle) for the character. This isn't a bad thing in of itself, but it just isn't convincing me to upgrade from the Classics Astrotrain which also had compromised alt modes.

I do like Galvatron on the other hand. He would be a nice upgrade from that crappy Universe version

I think in both cases its simply going from a deluxe to a voyager. Thats mainly why I am getting this astrotrain, I feel a voyager makes more sense for my collection. Same with Galvatron. What is weird though is that the classics trio of Scourge, Cyclonus and Galvatron were all deluxes and scaled well together. Now we have a voyager cyclonus and galvatron but Scourge is a deluxe. Kind of odd, no? And is it just me or does it look like Galvatron has hemorrhoids in canon mode?

SillySpringer wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:"Emissary" and Cerebros. So Emissary is the small guy/head of Cerebros right?

This is correct. He even looks like the cartoon "The Rebirth" styled head

Interesting. I didn't know Spike became the head in some points.

Shuttershock wrote:Hrm, so Ravage can be a jet now?

Would that make him a *puts on sunglasses* JET JAGUAR?

Rodimus Knight wrote:Me, I still don't get why the are making so many of the former non-headmaster's into headmasters. I love the Galvatron, but does he really need to be a headmaster?

RiddlerJ wrote:I want to like that Astrotrain, but it's kinda meh. The train mode is too far away from a real train, (so is the shuttle) for the character. This isn't a bad thing in of itself, but it just isn't convincing me to upgrade from the Classics Astrotrain which also had compromised alt modes.

I do like Galvatron on the other hand. He would be a nice upgrade from that crappy Universe version

Seibertron wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I want to like that Astrotrain, but it's kinda meh. The train mode is too far away from a real train, (so is the shuttle) for the character. This isn't a bad thing in of itself, but it just isn't convincing me to upgrade from the Classics Astrotrain which also had compromised alt modes.

I do like Galvatron on the other hand. He would be a nice upgrade from that crappy Universe version

I agree about Astrotrain. This isn't what I had in mind to go alongside Springer, Blitzwing and Sandstorm. It's a new take on the character, but doesn't fill the Voyage Class "Generations" gap for me. I was really hoping for a significant remold from Sentinel Prime along the lines of Springer and Sandstorm.

Rodimus Knight wrote:Me, I still don't get why the are making so many of the former non-headmaster's into headmasters. I love the Galvatron, but does he really need to be a headmaster?

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:Me, I still don't get why the are making so many of the former non-headmaster's into headmasters. I love the Galvatron, but does he really need to be a headmaster?

It balances out for all the toys they released with their gimmicks neutered throughout the years. Like with Gen Thunderwing, Nightbeat and Armada Starscream which didnt retain their original G1 gimicks. Ayways, this is generations, the moto was always about doing something new with G1 characters. Where was the uproar when Powerglide was turned into a targetmaster? If we want a perfect reinterpretation of G1 there is only Masterpiece.

And if anyone wants a nice non headmaster Galvatron for their classics collection, there is still Energon Galvatron who is still Boss!

Seibertron wrote:It'd be great to have some fiction to explain why everyone decided to become a Headmaster Titan Master. Something as simple as the Decoy pamplet, the Beast Wars mini-comic that came with the Megatron/Optimus Primal 2 pack, etc ... just want something fictional to tell me the story about why they're all Titanmasters.

The DECEPTICONS unite with TITAN MASTER parnters to power up for battle! FRACAS can steal the power of other bots, letting SCOURGE harness whatever ability suits his sinister plans.

ZeroWolf wrote: Do we have to wait till machina are doing a titans returns cartoon to learn the story?

omega666 wrote:I never liked headmasters anyway.

william-james88 wrote:From what I gathered of the early info on Titans Return, I liked how there would finally be a distinction between what we call the little head components and what we call the full robot. In G1, both the small head robot was a headmaster and the main complete robot was a headmaster. I thought the idea behind this line was that the complete robot was still a headmaster but the small head component was a titan master. And that seems to be the general idea still since we still reffer to this upcoming Chromedome as a Headmaster (in fact we are all saying how its not cool to be turning everyone into a headmaster) while the small head component is now a titan master. So I think thats smart on hasro to finally clear something up and distinguish the head as a different name than the overall robot.

DeathReviews wrote:But why is there still NO Legends Kickback?

Whifflefire wrote:

william-james88 wrote:From what I gathered of the early info on Titans Return, I liked how there would finally be a distinction between what we call the little head components and what we call the full robot. In G1, both the small head robot was a headmaster and the main complete robot was a headmaster. I thought the idea behind this line was that the complete robot was still a headmaster but the small head component was a titan master. And that seems to be the general idea still since we still reffer to this upcoming Chromedome as a Headmaster (in fact we are all saying how its not cool to be turning everyone into a headmaster) while the small head component is now a titan master. So I think thats smart on hasro to finally clear something up and distinguish the head as a different name than the overall robot.

I thought the small robot was called a headmaster and the larger one was called a transtector. Or was that just in japan?

DeathReviews wrote:
But why is there still NO Legends Kickback?

Whifflefire wrote:
I thought the small robot was called a headmaster and the larger one was called a transtector. Or was that just in japan?

Seibertron wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I want to like that Astrotrain, but it's kinda meh. The train mode is too far away from a real train, (so is the shuttle) for the character. This isn't a bad thing in of itself, but it just isn't convincing me to upgrade from the Classics Astrotrain which also had compromised alt modes.

I do like Galvatron on the other hand. He would be a nice upgrade from that crappy Universe version

I agree about Astrotrain. This isn't what I had in mind to go alongside Springer, Blitzwing and Sandstorm. It's a new take on the character, but doesn't fill the Voyage Class "Generations" gap for me. I was really hoping for a significant remold from Sentinel Prime along the lines of Springer and Sandstorm.

carytheone wrote:In the case of Astrotrain, I also would have liked if he matched the previous Gen triple changers we got a bit more.

Optimum Supreme wrote:I wish Galvy was leader size, but it's a massive improvement over the previous one.

Whifflefire wrote:
I thought the small robot was called a headmaster and the larger one was called a transtector. Or was that just in japan?

That was just Japan (unless it's turned up in IDW, I don't follow that stuff). In America the small "robot" was actually a fleshling, most of them from the planet Nebulos but also a few Earth humans like Spike for Fort Max and in the cartoon Daniel for Arcee.

I don't think American fiction ever differentiated terms between the head and the body, they were just collectively Headmasters.

I'm not sure if the UK fiction did anything extra or differently with the concept in that regard.

william-james88 wrote:

carytheone wrote:In the case of Astrotrain, I also would have liked if he matched the previous Gen triple changers we got a bit more.

Well the previous ones didnt really match eachother. Doubledealer is more of a departure to this original self than Astrotrain is. But I get it, you simply mean more earth like, right?
Ha, and people were telling me Gen Springer was an example of cybertronian design.

Whifflefire wrote:

Optimum Supreme wrote:I wish Galvy was leader size, but it's a massive improvement over the previous one.

Whifflefire wrote:
I thought the small robot was called a headmaster and the larger one was called a transtector. Or was that just in japan?

That was just Japan (unless it's turned up in IDW, I don't follow that stuff). In America the small "robot" was actually a fleshling, most of them from the planet Nebulos but also a few Earth humans like Spike for Fort Max and in the cartoon Daniel for Arcee.

I don't think American fiction ever differentiated terms between the head and the body, they were just collectively Headmasters.

I'm not sure if the UK fiction did anything extra or differently with the concept in that regard.

Oh, that's right. I knew about the nebulons being the heads in the us, but I wasn't sure if the word 'transtector' was ever used for anything or not. I like the idea of the titan master/headmaster being the character and the larger body being a sort of upgrade better than the two-people-in-one-body concept though, so I'll probably ignore the little guys being separate characters anyway.

Whifflefire wrote:Oh, that's right. I knew about the nebulons being the heads in the us, but I wasn't sure if the word 'transtector' was ever used for anything or not. I like the idea of the titan master/headmaster being the character and the larger body being a sort of upgrade better than the two-people-in-one-body concept though, so I'll probably ignore the little guys being separate characters anyway.

carytheone wrote:Either way I don't thing TR Astrotrain could stand next to gen Blitzwing and Springer and not stand out like a sore thumb.

I've been searching around all day and I cannot find anything, but I swear I remember reading the bodies were officially designated with a different name.

william-james88 wrote:

carytheone wrote:Either way I don't thing TR Astrotrain could stand next to gen Blitzwing and Springer and not stand out like a sore thumb.

In the friendliest of ways, I will disagree

william-james88 wrote:

carytheone wrote:I've been searching around all day and I cannot find anything, but I swear I remember reading the bodies were officially designated with a different name.

You wont find it, Hasbro doesnt have a name for the whole robot, its just a Transformer and is named whatever the robot's name is. Like with Scourge. He is Scourge the Decepticon and uses the powers of Fracas the Titan Master. But that wont stop me from calling these headmasters headmasters, and their small heads titan masters.

william-james88 wrote:

Whifflefire wrote:Oh, that's right. I knew about the nebulons being the heads in the us, but I wasn't sure if the word 'transtector' was ever used for anything or not. I like the idea of the titan master/headmaster being the character and the larger body being a sort of upgrade better than the two-people-in-one-body concept though, so I'll probably ignore the little guys being separate characters anyway.

So to you Titans Return Scourge is a head and his bigger robot body is an upgrade? Just trying to understand what you were saying.

Whifflefire wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Whifflefire wrote:Oh, that's right. I knew about the nebulons being the heads in the us, but I wasn't sure if the word 'transtector' was ever used for anything or not. I like the idea of the titan master/headmaster being the character and the larger body being a sort of upgrade better than the two-people-in-one-body concept though, so I'll probably ignore the little guys being separate characters anyway.

So to you Titans Return Scourge is a head and his bigger robot body is an upgrade? Just trying to understand what you were saying.

I'm going by the concept the Japanese Headmaster series used, where the head robot is, say, Chromedome, and the larger body is more like an extension. As opposed to the larger body being Chromedome, and the head being Stylor. Just easier for me to keep track of who's who.

Seibertron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:Me, I still don't get why the are making so many of the former non-headmaster's into headmasters. I love the Galvatron, but does he really need to be a headmaster?

It balances out for all the toys they released with their gimmicks neutered throughout the years. Like with Gen Thunderwing, Nightbeat and Armada Starscream which didnt retain their original G1 gimicks. Ayways, this is generations, the moto was always about doing something new with G1 characters. Where was the uproar when Powerglide was turned into a targetmaster? If we want a perfect reinterpretation of G1 there is only Masterpiece.

And if anyone wants a nice non headmaster Galvatron for their classics collection, there is still Energon Galvatron who is still Boss!

It'd be great to have some fiction to explain why everyone decided to become a Headmaster Titan Master. Something as simple as the Decoy pamplet, the Beast Wars mini-comic that came with the Megatron/Optimus Primal 2 pack, etc ... just want something fictional to tell me the story about why they're all Titanmasters.

william-james88 wrote:

Whifflefire wrote:

william-james88 wrote:From what I gathered of the early info on Titans Return, I liked how there would finally be a distinction between what we call the little head components and what we call the full robot. In G1, both the small head robot was a headmaster and the main complete robot was a headmaster. I thought the idea behind this line was that the complete robot was still a headmaster but the small head component was a titan master. And that seems to be the general idea still since we still reffer to this upcoming Chromedome as a Headmaster (in fact we are all saying how its not cool to be turning everyone into a headmaster) while the small head component is now a titan master. So I think thats smart on hasro to finally clear something up and distinguish the head as a different name than the overall robot.

I thought the small robot was called a headmaster and the larger one was called a transtector. Or was that just in japan?

Transector is only the headless body. The body with the head on was called a headmaster and so was just the head on its own. Now they actually have proper names for one or the other.

And with Titans Return, there is no headless body. Its either the alt mode with the titan master piloting it or the complete robot mode with head, which is the headmaster.

DeathReviews wrote:
But why is there still NO Legends Kickback?

He's coming, and so is gnaw. Just took a while.

Microraptor wrote:
Didn't say the comics would be explaining this?

william-james88 wrote:

Whifflefire wrote:

william-james88 wrote:From what I gathered of the early info on Titans Return, I liked how there would finally be a distinction between what we call the little head components and what we call the full robot. In G1, both the small head robot was a headmaster and the main complete robot was a headmaster. I thought the idea behind this line was that the complete robot was still a headmaster but the small head component was a titan master. And that seems to be the general idea still since we still reffer to this upcoming Chromedome as a Headmaster (in fact we are all saying how its not cool to be turning everyone into a headmaster) while the small head component is now a titan master. So I think thats smart on hasro to finally clear something up and distinguish the head as a different name than the overall robot.

I thought the small robot was called a headmaster and the larger one was called a transtector. Or was that just in japan?

Transector is only the headless body. The body with the head on was called a headmaster and so was just the head on its own. Now they actually have proper names for one or the other.

And with Titans Return, there is no headless body. Its either the alt mode with the titan master piloting it or the complete robot mode with head, which is the headmaster.

DeathReviews wrote:
But why is there still NO Legends Kickback?

He's coming, and so is gnaw. Just took a while.

william-james88 wrote:

Microraptor wrote:
Didn't say the comics would be explaining this?

Not this specifically. They did post a pretty picture to say that there will be integration over different mediums for storytelling but that slide also included the Devastation video game, so I am taking anything Hasbro says about "story integration" with a grain of salt.

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D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:via Imgflip Meme Maker

But seriously though, I do love the looks of Astrotrain and the entire line

carytheone wrote:Actually this came up in another thread. The heads are called "Titan Masters"; are just the bodies or the combined robot officially called something else by Hasbro? I've been searching around all day and I cannot find anything, but I swear I remember reading the bodies were officially designated with a different name.

SynchroBunny wrote:I'm curious now. Who's the black and white repaint of Mirage? Kindof hoping it's Crasher, and that leads into a CW renegades combiner.

Sabrblade wrote:

SynchroBunny wrote:I'm curious now. Who's the black and white repaint of Mirage? Kindof hoping it's Crasher, and that leads into a CW renegades combiner.

In which pic do you see it?