MP-21 Bumblebee Size Comparison with MP-17 Prowl
Monday, March 24th, 2014 11:11PM CDT
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Posted by MINDVVIPE on March 24th, 2014 @ 11:34pm CDT
Posted by OptimalOptimus2 on March 24th, 2014 @ 11:49pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on March 24th, 2014 @ 11:51pm CDT
Which Prowl toys were smaller than their respect toyline-mated Bumblebees? Universe Prowl, for instance, was taller than Classics Bumblebee.OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Huh, that's funny. This is the first time I've seen a Prowl toy bigger than Bumblebee. This should have happened already.
Posted by Rated X on March 25th, 2014 @ 12:29am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on March 25th, 2014 @ 12:39am CDT
It already was, ever since Starscream wasn't the size of Marvel's S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier.Rated X wrote:The alt mode scale is officially screwed...
Posted by kirbenvost on March 25th, 2014 @ 1:44am CDT
Posted by Amelie on March 25th, 2014 @ 4:12am CDT
Posted by hinomars19 on March 25th, 2014 @ 7:36am CDT
No, not quite...pretty lukewarm though?
(I'm dancing inside, btw )
So, this makes the exo suit Rumble or just slightly bigger size, as I think someone already guessed?
Posted by Sideshow Sideswipe on March 25th, 2014 @ 7:42am CDT
Posted by mooncake623 on March 25th, 2014 @ 7:59am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on March 25th, 2014 @ 8:01am CDT
Cuz Unicron ripped off Bee's look.mooncake623 wrote:Why does bumblebee's head looks like Unicron?
Posted by mooncake623 on March 25th, 2014 @ 9:16am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Cuz Unicron ripped off Bee's look.mooncake623 wrote:Why does bumblebee's head looks like Unicron?
So you agree than? good! thought it was only me
Posted by Deathscythetransform on March 25th, 2014 @ 9:32am CDT
the runt of the litter...
Posted by Dead Metal on March 25th, 2014 @ 10:09am CDT
mooncake623 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Cuz Unicron ripped off Bee's look.mooncake623 wrote:Why does bumblebee's head looks like Unicron?
So you agree than? good! thought it was only me
You should see the head Bumblebee had in the early issues of Don Fig's run of the idw Ongoing comics, it would have made Unicron shit his pants.
kirbenvost wrote:Well, now I'm a little bit bummed. I knew he'd be small but I thought the vehicle mode would be closer in scale to the previous MPs. Oh well, I'm sure he'll still be a really nice figure, and I am actually looking forward to the Exo-suit.
The same thing that's been said since MP 10, from now on the MP line is based on cartoon bot-mode scale. Alt-mode scale has no input on this, sure some manage to be damn close, but BB was always going to end up like this since he was tiny in the show.
Amelie wrote:Wouldn't a rear spare tyre get in the way of the licence plate? Probably why you rarely ever see them there
I've seen one once parked in the city. It had a chrome contraption that held the wheel in place, and the license plate was below the wheel.
But I haven't seen a VW Käfer with a rear-mounted wheel since, there are rear-mounted luggage holders you could get for it. And those are pretty common. What you gotta keep in mind is that the Käfer was the "people's" car, it was cheap and well-made which was the reason for it's popularity. And people have been using it for all kinds of things, I don't think it's unlikely at all that some might have put an extra spare tire on the thing for longer riskier trips and sold the contraption for that to others.
But I did find this:
Posted by megatronus on March 25th, 2014 @ 10:20am CDT
Posted by shajaki on March 25th, 2014 @ 10:29am CDT
Posted by Seibertron on March 25th, 2014 @ 10:30am CDT
Amelie wrote:So... now it looks likely the alt-mode will be totally out of scale with the other MPs anyway - would the cartoon-accurate super-deformed look still be so bad anyway?
It's interesting seeing people being frustrated about the potentially out-of-scale alt mode, which thankfully they adhered to with the very undersized jet modes of the Decepticon jets and the absurdly oversized cassette deck mode for Soundwave.
I'll gladly take a cartoon accurately scaled Bumblebee with an "out-of-scale" alt mode than an absurdly tall Bumblebee with an in-scale VW Beetle alt mode.
Posted by MINDVVIPE on March 25th, 2014 @ 11:18am CDT
Then the cheetahs act wierdly around Waspinator, and cheetor is like, its almost like that isn't a natural creature, and then realizes that means its a pred.
So, it seems that in some cases, TFs take the shape and form of something native to a planet that isn't quite the original size of the thing they're taking shape. Maybe some have mass shifting tech like Soundwave which pretty much means they can take the shape of almost anything they feel is a fit for themselves. But if BB didn't have mass shifting tech, maybe he has no choice but to be a smaller than reg sized VW bug, or, everyone else has no choice but to be oversized lambos and datsuns.
Yeah, maybe it's best to just stop trying to reason or maintain human scale to our figures and their alt modes while trying to also achieve their onscreen bot mode scale. With his size to MP prowl, BB should have then been an ATV or something.
Posted by Sideshow Sideswipe on March 25th, 2014 @ 11:49am CDT
shajaki wrote:thats pretty small lol... but its proper scale with the other bots. and him being that small doesnt nessesarily mean the bug mode will be out of scale with the other cars. it is MP engineering after all. maybe im dreaming, but im willing to hold out on vehicle comparison shots before i get all bent out of shape.
Some people are getting REALLY upset about it. I doubt those people will even end up buying BB anyway.
Posted by Stumpybot on March 25th, 2014 @ 12:29pm CDT
Sideshow Sideswipe wrote:Some people are getting REALLY upset about it. I doubt those people will even end up buying BB anyway.
Yeah they really are, to almost comical effect. And they really shouldnt be.
If its robot is in scale, the car is not, if the car is, the robot is REALLY not. You cant win, fanboys are gonna moan, i think most WILL buy the figure regardless, and this is all just killing the buzz of those of us who really like the whole thing.
At the end of the day, theres pictures from G1 showing that the bot mode here is roughly the correct scale. So the car mode is out of scale... deal with it fanboys, they cant please everybody and i doubt this was even remotely anticipated in the 80's!!!! Dont like the scale? though titty, this is what takara is doing. deal with it and move on angry fanboys!
Id love to meet the collector that keeps all their MP's in vehicle mode anyway. That seems like its missing the point of a masterpiece.
Tolerances worry me, this is a small figure, but im pretty certain the delay in the release from original reports is all part of the ongoing testing and QC on the design.
Fan butthurt is one of the most entertaining things...
Posted by Amelie on March 25th, 2014 @ 12:34pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:It's interesting seeing people being frustrated about the potentially out-of-scale alt mode, which thankfully they adhered to with the very undersized jet modes of the Decepticon jets and the absurdly oversized cassette deck mode for Soundwave.
I'll gladly take a cartoon accurately scaled Bumblebee with an "out-of-scale" alt mode than an absurdly tall Bumblebee with an in-scale VW Beetle alt mode.
I don't really have a problem at all with the scale of the car mode. It was totally out of whack on the show, too. Same with the Jets.
But I really do find the backpack off-putting. Unless they're going to make Goldbug - which I'd quite like.
Posted by OptimalOptimus2 on March 25th, 2014 @ 12:55pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Which Prowl toys were smaller than their respect toyline-mated Bumblebees? Universe Prowl, for instance, was taller than Classics Bumblebee.OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Huh, that's funny. This is the first time I've seen a Prowl toy bigger than Bumblebee. This should have happened already.
Besides almost accurate G1, I never compared my other Bumblebees with my Prowls because I thought it would look awkward if they were next to each other on my shelves. I saw the large comparison pictures above after I made my comment, so you caught me there!
Posted by kirbenvost on March 25th, 2014 @ 12:58pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:Amelie wrote:So... now it looks likely the alt-mode will be totally out of scale with the other MPs anyway - would the cartoon-accurate super-deformed look still be so bad anyway?
It's interesting seeing people being frustrated about the potentially out-of-scale alt mode, which thankfully they adhered to with the very undersized jet modes of the Decepticon jets and the absurdly oversized cassette deck mode for Soundwave.
I'll gladly take a cartoon accurately scaled Bumblebee with an "out-of-scale" alt mode than an absurdly tall Bumblebee with an in-scale VW Beetle alt mode.
Bee is tiny in the cartoon so of course it makes sense, but one of the things that really impressed me about the new MPs is the realistic alt modes. I'm a car fan in addition to a TF fan. So it bugs me that I won't be able to display Bee with the others as a car and not have it look weird.
With the Seekers I think it didn't bother me as much because how often do we see realistic jets and (somewhat) everyday cars side by side? There's kind of a disconnect already, at least for me. With Soundwave there's just no way he could ever be a realistic scale (I suddenly regret selling WST SW lol), so that's out the window from the beginning.
And yes, I actually do display some of my MPs in vehicle mode, especially when I have more than one version of the same mold. And I just like to transform them from time to time to mix up my display a bit so it doesn't get boring. It might be fun to display all the Autobots in a convoy, for example.
But this certainly won't stop me from buying him, he looks like an awesome figure in nearly every way. I just wish he could be maybe 20% bigger.
Posted by No One on March 25th, 2014 @ 1:19pm CDT
Posted by Sideshow Sideswipe on March 25th, 2014 @ 2:05pm CDT
MR Optimus Prime wrote:I guess I just wanted MP Bee to be as big as his brothers. Was always tired of how tiny he was portrayed I guess. Too bad the spare tire on the back isn't G1 SCROUNGE !!!
I still get sad when I think about poor scrounge.
Posted by Grendelspyce on March 25th, 2014 @ 9:48pm CDT
Posted by zodconvoy on March 25th, 2014 @ 11:28pm CDT
Grendelspyce wrote:This will be my first Takara MP (I have the TRU Optimus), so I am a bit wary of pre-ordering online. Where is everyone pre-ordering him from? The Amazon exclusive battle mask seems interesting to me, as long as it isn't exorbitantly more expensive than anywhere else. I don't care about the coin.
I ordered it from Big Bad Toy Store. $74.99 for the regular version and $79.99 for the coin and hopefully battle mask. The battle mask will come free with the coin set if they can get them. I recommend taking to risk and getting the coin.
Posted by Sideshow Sideswipe on March 26th, 2014 @ 7:14am CDT
Posted by VioMeTriX on March 26th, 2014 @ 9:34am CDT
I might have a bit of respect if it was a connected piece working like hotrod / rodimus's head
though id be interested as to what 3rd party designers will do with this feature.
Posted by shajaki on March 26th, 2014 @ 10:05am CDT
VioMeTriX wrote:this is a lame attempt to use one of the variants of bumblebee's g1 faces and give the effect of change like movie bumblebee...lame in my opinion.
i dont see what this has to do with movie bee. G1 bee had two faces: masked toy, anime face.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 26th, 2014 @ 10:14am CDT
Fixed that for ya.shajaki wrote:VioMeTriX wrote:this is a lame attempt to use one of the variants of bumblebee's g1 faces and give the effect of change like movie bumblebee...lame in my opinion.
i dont see what this has to do with movie bee. G1 bee had two faces: masked toy, fiction face.
Posted by Sideshow Sideswipe on March 26th, 2014 @ 11:17am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Fixed that for ya.shajaki wrote:VioMeTriX wrote:this is a lame attempt to use one of the variants of bumblebee's g1 faces and give the effect of change like movie bumblebee...lame in my opinion.
i dont see what this has to do with movie bee. G1 bee had two faces: masked toy, fiction face.
And then that 'happy' face was used for a japanese bumblebee minibot collection release.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 26th, 2014 @ 11:19am CDT
True, but it originally came from the fiction (i.e. - Marvel Comics and Sunbow cartoon, which wasn't an anime).Sideshow Sideswipe wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Fixed that for ya.shajaki wrote:VioMeTriX wrote:this is a lame attempt to use one of the variants of bumblebee's g1 faces and give the effect of change like movie bumblebee...lame in my opinion.
i dont see what this has to do with movie bee. G1 bee had two faces: masked toy, fiction face.
And then that 'happy' face was used for a japanese bumblebee minibot collection release.
Posted by shajaki on March 26th, 2014 @ 12:16pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:True, but it originally came from the fiction (i.e. - Marvel Comics and Sunbow cartoon, which wasn't an anime).Sideshow Sideswipe wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Fixed that for ya.shajaki wrote:VioMeTriX wrote:this is a lame attempt to use one of the variants of bumblebee's g1 faces and give the effect of change like movie bumblebee...lame in my opinion.
i dont see what this has to do with movie bee. G1 bee had two faces: masked toy, fiction face.
And then that 'happy' face was used for a japanese bumblebee minibot collection release.
y'know what i mean. ive been programmed to think this way. its what takara tends to call their cartoon accurate figures.
-encore 20A (anime) devastator
-ehobby 08 anime bluestreak
-reissue D62 anime galvatron
Posted by Sabrblade on March 26th, 2014 @ 12:18pm CDT
Posted by shajaki on March 26th, 2014 @ 12:25pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Blame Japan for those names.
i blame them for a lot of things
Posted by zodconvoy on March 26th, 2014 @ 12:40pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on March 26th, 2014 @ 12:45pm CDT
zodconvoy wrote:Transformers was an American cartoon made by Sunbow and Marvel. Takara uses the word anime because that's what they call their cartoons.
Posted by shajaki on March 26th, 2014 @ 12:58pm CDT
zodconvoy wrote:Transformers was an American cartoon made by Sunbow and Marvel. Takara uses the word anime because that's what they call their cartoons.
yeah.... i know. and this is a takara toy.
Posted by Dead Metal on March 26th, 2014 @ 1:09pm CDT
What's next, are we going to complain about this being G1 Bumblebee instead of Movie? Or maybe about it being yellow when red is soo much better.
Posted by Sideshow Sideswipe on March 26th, 2014 @ 1:21pm CDT
Dead Metal wrote:Oh my god, first we have people complaining about his robot size, then about his show accuracy, then about his alt-mode, then about his alt-mode size, then again about his robot size, then about the stupid backpack we can only notice when looking at him from the back, then about his alt-mode again, and now we're fighting over something as meaningless as anime vs cartoon in relation to the face switching gimmick that has zero impact on the toy.
What's next, are we going to complain about this being G1 Bumblebee instead of Movie? Or maybe about it being yellow when red is soo much better.
My theory is that those who complain about the toy are trying to convince themselves that they don't want the toy, so they are picking it apart. Not to worry, BB will be awesome. I'm psyched and no amount of fan-kvetching will change that.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 26th, 2014 @ 1:37pm CDT
Posted by Siger on March 26th, 2014 @ 2:20pm CDT
Posted by Sideshow Sideswipe on March 26th, 2014 @ 2:26pm CDT
Siger wrote:Ehhh... $80 bucks for this? Ehhhh...
What did I JUST say?
Posted by shajaki on March 26th, 2014 @ 5:19pm CDT
Dead Metal wrote:And now we're fighting over something as meaningless as anime vs cartoon in relation to the face switching gimmick that has zero impact on the toy.
who was fighting? me and sabrblade werent.
Posted by leakin' lubricant on March 28th, 2014 @ 5:49am CDT
LOST Cybertronian wrote:The Images of Masterpiece Bumblebee just keep coming. Shogo Hasui is up to his twitter shinanegans again tweeting a size comparison between upcoming MP-21 Bumblebee and MP-17 Prowl. The image shows how the size of these two figures compare in robot mode with Bumblebee coming to just under Prowl's chest. Check out the image for yourself.
That settles it for me, he is so bought, adios Classics Bee!