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I agree, I guess the whinners are losing their battle

Most of the whiners gave up quite awhile back. I think Hasbro is partly to blame with their "compromise" toys (read:half Baybots, half blockbots...all pretty damn sweet).

Honestly, the way they were screwing around with the bots' designs, most people were thinking this was going to turn out similar to Double Dragon, where not only do they look nothing like what was in the source material, but the story, characterizations, etc. were nothing but a mockery of what made the source awsome to start with. Various interviews, reassurances, positive screening tests...not to mention Peter Cullen's thumbs-up on Prime...has laid a lot of concerns to rest.....

.........but Megs & Screamer are still fugly..........

Blitzwing the warrior wrote:I agree, I guess the whinners are losing their battle

Yep as soon as I came into the fourm and flamed every one who whinned about it lol jk but i am trying to do that for the megatron leader class fig, Anyways back on topic this movie will probably break the highest money making film(god i hope so) I wonder how may screens it will be on? Any ways again i read both of the reviews i liked what they had to say.But still megatron is my favorite i like how he is a cybertronian vehicle to make his royalty stand out from the others.

Bender Prime wrote:I've yet to read a negative review of the film to be honest.

The 28th can't come soon enough!

I noticed the same thing! Can't wait for the Botcon screening!

Roboto750 wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:I've yet to read a negative review of the film to be honest.

The 28th can't come soon enough!

I noticed the same thing! Can't wait for the Botcon screening!

I cant wait either. Good thing i dont have to pay for a hotel becuase one of my friend lives a few blocks from there.

I wasn't terribly encouraged by anything I read, but I'm just a "gee-one whiner." Boo-hoo, you all hurt my feelings. I'm gonna tell my mommy. But at least I'm not a Bay-toadie. Go swim with the sharks, sycophants!

I was hoping for more Starscream/Megatron bantering, but then there is always the sequel. Otherwise though, from what I've seen and heard, already best movie of the summer,( Though Live Free Diehard has yet to come out) Sorry, but I'm as much a Diehard fan as a Transfan, can't help it.

ha ha poor babies!

Roboto750 wrote:

Bender Prime wrote:I've yet to read a negative review of the film to be honest.

The 28th can't come soon enough!

I noticed the same thing! Can't wait for the Botcon screening!

Yea it can't come soon enough. I have actually stopped fallowing some of the movie stuff, I think I have already seen to much.

I never had a problem with the story, or if it wasnt exactly G1. My biggest problem was the designs especially Starscreams robot mode. But after I saw the 3 minute second trailer.... all of my doubts went out the window, this movie is going to kick so much ass! Even my doubts of Starscream were gone.

OK, so what I gathered from that is the first guy liked it and the 2nd guy thought it was stupid. And that the first guy thought John Turtorro was "Delightful" in his role while the 2nd guy though he was "in his worst role he has seen".

The lesson here? Even non fans will give you purely subjective opinions. After all, that is all that entertainment and opinions are: Subjective.

Hot_Rod wrote:OK, so what I gathered from that is the first guy liked it and the 2nd guy thought it was stupid. And that the first guy thought John Turtorro was "Delightful" in his role while the 2nd guy though he was "in his worst role he has seen".

The lesson here? Even non fans will give you purely subjective opinions. After all, that is all that entertainment and opinions are: Subjective.

opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and they all stink!


now for my asshole...

both of those reviews come from non fans, even tho the second one compares the movie to G1, all I read from the second one is: "Its not a cartoon anymore...but it has big explosions! Explosions are cool!"

im biased, cus even if this movie sucks left testicle, I will still think it the greatest cus ive been waiting since I was 2 yrs old to see this done this way. The only review I have liked thus far is the one on this forum. granted it is full of spoilers, but I like it that way. cus it gives me a list of things that I want to pay extra attention to *like megan (what a) fox*. regardless of anyone's opinion on this movie, I will see it numerous times and buy the DVD and game when they are released. I have been waiting for someone to reinvent the transformers for a while, not saying that Bay did that (honestly, I think all he's good for is blowing stuff up in a movie and only focusing on one or 2 characters), but I have to give props to the people at ILM for the amount of detail in this movie. I will enjoy this movie just as anyone who has ever cared about transformers will too, and I will have my complaints as all of you will too.

Greg_Norris wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:OK, so what I gathered from that is the first guy liked it and the 2nd guy thought it was stupid. And that the first guy thought John Turtorro was "Delightful" in his role while the 2nd guy though he was "in his worst role he has seen".

The lesson here? Even non fans will give you purely subjective opinions. After all, that is all that entertainment and opinions are: Subjective.

opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and they all stink!

In your opinion.

Must....resist....spoilers.....

Neither of those reviews come across as all that positive to me. It's like "yeah, she's not very bright at all and a total bitch but hey, she's got nice boobs! Go for it!". They just confirm what I assumed it was going to be like and why I've been so pessimistic. Quick-cuts and odd camera angles that make it difficult to make-out what you're watching during action scenes, silly over-the-top humor, very little story, "the illogical chases..., the crazy authority figure (John Turturro, in his worst role I have seen), the nonstop-shouting-as-witty-dialogue".

If you haven't seen a bad review yet, you might want to check the talkback. There's a very brief, very angry one that says basically the same as the 2 feutured reviewers... only with a different conclusion.

AbsumZer0 wrote:Neither of those reviews come across as all that positive to me. It's like "yeah, she's not very bright at all and a total bitch but hey, she's got nice boobs! Go for it!". They just confirm what I assumed it was going to be like and why I've been so pessimistic. Quick-cuts and odd camera angles that make it difficult to make-out what you're watching during action scenes, silly over-the-top humor, very little story, "the illogical chases..., the crazy authority figure (John Turturro, in his worst role I have seen), the nonstop-shouting-as-witty-dialogue".

If you haven't seen a bad review yet, you might want to check the talkback. There's a very brief, very angry one that says basically the same as the 2 feutured reviewers... only with a different conclusion.

My point from day one. HOW THE HELL DOES "In short, the best stupid movie I have seen this summer." TRANSLATE INTO A POSITIVE REVIEW. If you honestly think thats positive then you sir are a apologist. Call me a Hater or what ever clever adjective you can up with but If you care about transformer how can you settle for "The best stupid movie of the summer". And If you agree with that summation when you see this movie and still thinks thats fine, Then we have a bigger problem. OK continue the circle jerk.

Agreed, it seems that all the reviews so far are A) from people that apparently know next to nothing about Transformers, B) readily admit that Megan Fox is nothing more than T&A spacefiller with zero acting ability (ohh shocker), C) that the movie is ripe with cheese dialogue & camp humor, D) that it has a paper thin plot which is forgettable at best or confusing because it's SO secondary, and E) that the F-List actors this movie is filled with do what they do best - second rate acting. The only "positive" things I've read are that the CGI looks good and it's action packed. So were Independence Day & Armageddon, but look at the substance of those movies - there was none. Saturday afternoon eye candy - yes. Something you'd watch because they're GOOD movies - no.

I still have high hopes for this movie, but I'm worried that we're all going to convince ourselves it ruled *because* it's TF, even though it might be a terrible film overall. I don't want conversations ala "yeah it's lame & cheesy, but it's fun". X-Men 1 & 2 were fun too, but they were also good movies with good acting & dialogue (for the most part). TF on the other hand already feels like it's going to be one of those "yeah it was terrible, but at least we got a movie" movies. And that is NOT the reaction I want to hear after 20+ years of waiting for something like this.

I know some will always look for any way to snatch failure from the jaws of success with this film, but honestly, it's like ice skating uphill at this point... It's the popcorn film of the summer.

The reviews average out with a 'great film' rating on the whole, given the law of averages and the fact that there will always be some people who hate it, that bodes very well for the film, no matter how you slice it.

Ultimately, I do think the reviews were positive. After all, when it was all said and done, they enjoyed the movie. And that's the whole point of going to these things.

I haven't made up my mind, one way or another. I know I'm going to go see it, and I know what I'm expecting and what I'm not expecting. I mean, the last reviewer was right. The movie's based on a toy line. Just about every incarnation of Transformers, from the G1 comics and show, down to the most recent stuff, hasn't been perfect. They've all had their goofy moments. They've had their weaknesses. But, at the same time, this is a property that can reinvent itself numerous times, and they haven't started to scratch the surface.

Besides, at the end of the day, if the movie is absolutely horrid, I still have the G1 and Beast Wars DVDs, the comics, etc. I'm out a few bucks and a few hours. No big.

I do think, though, all the positive reviews in the world aren't going to convince people who have a bad opinion of the film to change it. And negative reviews won't convince fans who want to judge it for themselves to NOT go see it. But I keep thinking of all the negativity surrounding the new Fantastic Four, and it's the ONLY movie I've seen this summer that people cheered at the end of.

you know, some people really dont care about plot or story, they just wanna be entertained. and it gets old seeing everyone imply people like that have no taste or nobody would wanna watch a movie like that. yes, i'm one of those....i just wanna be entertained.

and to use 2 examples shown here, i personally loved ID4 and Armageddon. I didnt go see those movies expecting awesome acting and brain inducing stories, i went to see cities get destroyed and cool effects/action and they delivered that for me. And i watch ID4 every now and then because i do think its good. Armageddon i dont own simply because i dont want a bare bones disc and the Criterion is next to impossible to find and usually 50$ or more when i do see it.

but yeah, if Transformers is just that, i'll be one person who'll be more than satisfied. i'm not trying to imply or put down those of you who have higher hopes and expections, everyone has their own ideas and likes but yeah.....people should stop acting like everyone thinks the same because they dont. lol

maybe my mind is stuck at 14yrs old or something but yeah...i'm sure if many people saw my DVD collection they'd be shocked one person would own all these so called "empty" and "bad movies lol

KoH4711 wrote:it's the ONLY movie I've seen this summer that people cheered at the end of.

maybe they were just happy the movie was over?


just kiddin...i havent seen it but want to and i'm one of those who actually did enjoy the first so i'm sure i'll like this one as much if not more.

Okay...I also liked Independance Day and Armageddon. I don't really understand why people are bashing the plot of that movie. Here it is: Big asteroid. Oil drillers needed to drill hole to put nukes in asteroid so earth doesn't die. Bruce Willis dies to save the earth.

That's the plot. What do you expect from a movie about a giant asteroid? Please, people, be realistic. This kind of movie isn't about the plot, which I'm glad for, because after Pirates and Spiderman, both of which I liked, I've had about all the twisting and turning plots I can handle. I'm ready to simply be entertained by a movie this summer. This is looking like another 300, but with robots and humor. Bring it on.

Apex Convoy wrote:Okay...I also liked Independance Day and Armageddon. I don't really understand why people are bashing the plot of that movie. Here it is: Big asteroid. Oil drillers needed to drill hole to put nukes in asteroid so earth doesn't die. Bruce Willis dies to save the earth.

That's the plot. What do you expect from a movie about a giant asteroid? Please, people, be realistic. This kind of movie isn't about the plot, which I'm glad for, because after Pirates and Spiderman, both of which I liked, I've had about all the twisting and turning plots I can handle. I'm ready to simply be entertained by a movie this summer. This is looking like another 300, but with robots and humor. Bring it on.

I'll say to those who don't like Armageddon: go watch Deep Impact. (if you haven't)

Then tell us which one is, in an honest opinion, "good".

deep impact is good too, but so is armageddon.....one's the "realistic" look at the situation while the other is the over the top action fest hollywood version...thats all..lol

but i prefer armageddon....bring on the insults or negative reactions. lol

but to get back on topic.......those reviews didnt affect my opinion either way.....i knew i was gonna see this the day they announced they were making a live action movie.

as someone else said, if the movie does suck then it does...we still have the originals or which ever show u prefer, nothing is changed...you just lose 10$ and 2hrs...and considering how many movies i've seen that sucked...i could handle it. lol

Bouncy X wrote:as someone else said, if the movie does suck then it does...we still have the originals or which ever show u prefer, nothing is changed...you just lose 10$ and 2hrs...and considering how many movies i've seen that sucked...i could handle it. lol

See, those bolded lines are so true lol. I've watched alot of movies, some bleah, some wow, and recently I just don't seem to be bothered if a movie sucks or not. Of course I go "yeah!" if the movie was great, but if a movie sucked then I'm like "Oh well, I'm sure I've seen worse"

But yeah, those reviews are positive a bit, but I think when June 28 comes around that's when the realy reviews will go on. Say, anyone want to back up those reviews to compare with later reviews?

It almost seems to me like people are/were expecting Micheal Bay to pull off some sort of epic Oscar destroying Movie that is talked about for years to come. I have no idea how one gets so deluded, but then I'm no head doctor. Far as I( And many of my local Transfan friends) are concerned, this movie is turning out to be exactly what I thought it would be, which is Bleepin awsome! I still think Megs will suck a nut, but like Starscream, I hope to be pleasantly surprised. Anyway, Poop and 15 days to go!

I want to see this movie badly, I'm excited for this movie, but It is everything I expected,.... a sad weak plot, tons of humor, sex appeal, and tons of special exploding mind blowing effects. I wonder if it could have been so much more than that if only Bay stick to the effects only, and away from the designs and plot or at least a huge caring fan at his end having a huge leash on him to do nothing but effects on this movie?
I never expected Bay to do an Oscar, and don't think anyone did.

Would the plot been better? Would we have a smart sexy mech girl with no purpose or with a greater power? Would we have a better robots with no apologies, violence, thoughtful, smart and tragic outcomes? Blood and death? Of course there would be humor..or it could have been a huge mistake or bad comedy.

Oh well, while I wonder what could have been, but the truth is, I know Hollywood can't be that amazing, only wants to be cool and look beautiful. It has no soul but it wants to buy yours, and sell your beauty until your killing yourself into nothing.

I think I'll like this movie, but for it's humor and effects. I think Bumblebee will win me over, and Prime already has done so. (Wish I can say the same for the toys, no, I don't care much for them and won't buy them)

Eh, about what I expected from reviews. It's seems to be shaping to an ID4 type movie with TFs, which is cool for me me, I liked ID4.

I find it funny though, all the naysayers still going on about how its gonna suck. Lets face, TFs was never gonna be Oscar-winning LOTR styled. Everything I'm hearing about the movie thus far reminds of the old G1 show to a T. Mindless action:check, goofball humor:check, thin plotline:check. Everything I expected is right there. Maybe all the naysayers need to go back and watch the old G1(or any other series but BM, for that matter), and really take a look at this again. So far, everything is going in that right direction. And all of that is what made TFs fun for me in the first place.

Kind of ironic though isn't it? Bay stated that he didn't want to make another stupid toy movie did he not? And yet stupid toy popcorn movie is more or less how its being summed up thus far.

Transformers meant a lot to me as a kid, it was never cheezy cause it excited my imagination, especially in the arts (writing, drawing, animation). When I heard Bay was doing the movie my first reaction was a pessimistic 'Oh jeez' because I know full well the style of movies that he makes. I had never wanted to see Tf's done as a typical action schlock-fest, especially in his style, which I find dizzying and just plain excessive for the sake of being excessive.
Some of us wanted this typical action-cheezola for the sake pure cheezola so long as s**t gets blowed up real goooood type of film. Some of us wanted a film that was simply good and fun on the level of the Star Wars OT, Terminator 2, Aliens etc. I don't think its fair for either camps to attack the other for what they like, especially since the mainstream still gets such a kick out of attacking us ALL for being nerd-geek adults who play with toys.
It looks like the former fans will be happier this time around as that remark "best stupid movie of the year" pretty much summed up my misgivings about this film. Its also brought some perspective too. If for some reason it proves more than just eye candy, its good for the franchise. If it drops like a lead balloon, then all the money still invested in this project will force someone to get it right, sooner or later.

Umm a little thing if you start a sentence with "Transfomers was never meant to be..." or "what do you want ...." or "I just want..." that makes you a apologist.

I have yet to see or read anything that will convince me this will actually be a good Transformers movie. Yes everybody so far said and showed this is a 'fun summer block buster movie with lots of explosions and giant f'king robots'. But that was not thing I was hoping for really...
But hey, who am I.

I'm not going to say what labelling people based on how they start a sentence makes you, Phate.

Roll on Botcon and the cinematic premiere of the giant robots that turn into the fast cars.

-Nick

Im yet to read a supremely positive review, mostly the reviews are along the lines of "great summer blockbuster"/"good popcorn flick as long as you dont like plot in your films". Fantastic Four 2 has been getting similar reviews...

Im looking forward to seeing it in 10 days time, and thankfully I am expecting nothing more than a popcorn flick, so I shouldnt be disappointed.

WHEN IS HUGO WEAVING GOING TO DO AN INTERVIEW!!!!????

Kayevcee wrote:I'm not going to say what labelling people based on how they start a sentence makes you, Phate.

Roll on Botcon and the cinematic premiere of the giant robots that turn into the fast cars.

-Nick

Heheh...it makes him someone who doesn't read other people's posts properly

Metal Gear Solid Fan wrote:WHEN IS HUGO WEAVING GOING TO DO AN INTERVIEW!!!!????

Good question!

well it seems megatron has a very small part, especially dialogue wise so i wouldnt be surprised if hugo did no publicity for this. i mean all the trailers and tv spots dont mention any of the voicecast and aside for like 2 or 3 lines from prime, we never even hear them.

its not like all those animated movies featuring a plethora of celebrity voices....so yeah, wont be surprised if he's never interviewed in any form.

would enjoy being wrong of course but..lol

Bouncy X wrote:well it seems megatron has a very small part, especially dialogue wise so i wouldnt be surprised if hugo did no publicity for this. i mean all the trailers and tv spots dont mention any of the voicecast and aside for like 2 or 3 lines from prime, we never even hear them.

its not like all those animated movies featuring a plethora of celebrity voices....so yeah, wont be surprised if he's never interviewed in any form.

would enjoy being wrong of course but..lol

Yeah, it's kinda funny, too, because given all the other voice actors are nobodies in comparison. You'ld think that if it was so special to get him over Welker, they'd at least parade him around & say, "Hey, look who we got to be Megatron....he was perfect for the part, very talented & such & we're so glad to have him as part of the cast."

Yet all there has really been about him was a vauge mentoning on the sector seven website.

Every time I read the "how can you possibly expect a competent plot or genuinely witty and funny dialogue? It was based on a cartoon!" argument I get flashbacks to the whole Lost In Space movie debacle. Because, apparently, when making a film update based on an old children's or family show people watch for nostalgia, a budget of $150 million more isn't enough to buy a better script unless you're doing a tongue-in-cheek parody like the Brady Bunch.

Bouncy X wrote:you know, some people really dont care about plot or story, they just wanna be entertained. and it gets old seeing everyone imply people like that have no taste or nobody would wanna watch a movie like that. yes, i'm one of those....i just wanna be entertained.

and to use 2 examples shown here, i personally loved ID4 and Armageddon. I didnt go see those movies expecting awesome acting and brain inducing stories, i went to see cities get destroyed and cool effects/action and they delivered that for me. And i watch ID4 every now and then because i do think its good. Armageddon i dont own simply because i dont want a bare bones disc and the Criterion is next to impossible to find and usually 50$ or more when i do see it.

but yeah, if Transformers is just that, i'll be one person who'll be more than satisfied. i'm not trying to imply or put down those of you who have higher hopes and expections, everyone has their own ideas and likes but yeah.....people should stop acting like everyone thinks the same because they dont. lol

maybe my mind is stuck at 14yrs old or something but yeah...i'm sure if many people saw my DVD collection they'd be shocked one person would own all these so called "empty" and "bad movies lol

I think people do care about having a plot or story in a movie instead of paying $7.50 for big Hollywood Explosion porn. You can have a big block buster movie filled with CG and Big Hollywood Explosion and still have a plot or a story. Movies like Star Wars Trilogy (Empire the Strikes Back), Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home are the perfect example of having eye popping special effects and have brilliant plot or story to carry the film. From what I've read about the Transformer Live Action movie is nothing more but Big Hollywood Explosion Porn fest with no character developement, paper thin plot with big explosions. This is your typical Michael Bay film...

ZoneDaiatlas wrote: This is your typical Michael Bay film...

On the bright side, at least this time he isn't trying to "honor the vets" by making a film whose sole strength is in the glamourizing of the massive explosions that killed them and/or their fellow servicemen.

Im surprised that Hugo Weaving's involvement hasn't got mention in the Australian press.Even the artie farty taxpayer funded flicks he has been in get some press. Rachel Taylor's had more attention than Hugo about the movie in the Aussie media. You don't think that he is ashamed or anything?

yes some do care about all that stuff...but at the same time some dont, all i'm saying. neither side is wrong or stupid, its just different tastes and opinions.

as for the glamorizing pearl harbor....last i checked there's been hundreds of movies made about different wars through our history, i dont see what's the difference between bay doing it and someone else. inevitably some of those war movies will be good and looked well upon and others wont. but to accuse bay of doing something MANY have done before him and many will do after, is kinda pointless. hollywood loves making "true story" movies and they'll never stop. and in the end it makes no difference how acurate or "respectful" the movies are because they're just movies...dont like it, dont watch, its that simple.

that also applies to transformers, if you think it'll suck then shut up and dont go see it. your point is made but constantly arguing over this especially when its less than 2 weeks from release, utterly pointless. granted i'm sorta being a hypocrite by writing all this but yeah..lol

Bouncy X wrote:yes some do care about all that stuff...but at the same time some dont, all i'm saying. neither side is wrong or stupid, its just different tastes and opinions.

as for the glamorizing pearl harbor....last i checked there's been hundreds of movies made about different wars through our history, i dont see what's the difference between bay doing it and someone else. inevitably some of those war movies will be good and looked well upon and others wont. but to accuse bay of doing something MANY have done before him and many will do after, is kinda pointless. hollywood loves making "true story" movies and they'll never stop. and in the end it makes no difference how acurate or "respectful" the movies are because they're just movies...dont like it, dont watch, its that simple.

that also applies to transformers, if you think it'll suck then shut up and dont go see it. your point is made but constantly arguing over this especially when its less than 2 weeks from release, utterly pointless. granted i'm sorta being a hypocrite by writing all this but yeah..lol

I'm not talking about glamourizing war or historical events, I'm talking about glamourizing THE EXPLOSIONS. It was nothing like Band of Brothers or Saving Private Ryan. They made a big deal about honoring veterans, had a bunch of folks who were there that day attend the premiere, and then the film was like "A hamfisted love triangle and... hey! Look how cool all that shit blowing up is! I'll bet being there must've been awesome!"

Phategod1 wrote:Umm a little thing if you start a sentence with "Transfomers was never meant to be..." or "what do you want ...." or "I just want..." that makes you a apologist.

Yeah, it sounds like a lot of people on the message boards are just trying to find ANY reason to talk themselves into wanting to see it or like it. They sound like they're just searching and rationalizing for any reason at all to see it simply because it holds the letters T-R-A-N-S-F-O-R-M-E-R-S. However if you were expecting a Transformers movie or even real looking giant robots, then you'll be sadly disapointed. And if you were expecting to care about the Autobot/Decepticon characters... forget about it. It's a human movie that tells the story from a human perspective and Sam and his girlfriend are the main characters that the plot makes you feel for.

It is VERY possible, and should be, that you can have both substance/character developement and big explosions with action in an action movie too. Unfortunately, this one misses the mark by a long mile.

NightFall wrote:Would the plot been better? Would we have a smart sexy mech girl with no purpose or with a greater power? Would we have a better robots with no apologies, violence, thoughtful, smart and tragic outcomes? Blood and death? Of course there would be humor..or it could have been a huge mistake or bad comedy.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or what not, but If it wasn't for fans, then there would have been a big sexy mech girl with boobies that turned into a moterbike. Murphy said on his board that Kurtzman, Orci, and I think even Bay wanted her in there but fans said it would be too much to suspend disbelief and asked her to be removed. Then when fans made the comparison of how she'll make the movie laughed at for not being serious enough with metal boobies and stuff, Murphy said the idea was pulled. They were going to call her Arcee, albiet it wasn't REALLY Arcee.

So right there the fans had to set them strait when the official people in charge wanted to do something silly.

P.S.Anyone looking for a big action packed blow stuff up movie... Go take a look at this on yahoo. It's the first 8 minutes of Live Free or Die Hard. I must say, I think it looks better than the Bay movie! There's even a special cameo by The Terminator! Yippie-Kai-Yay MF!!

'86 TF:TM all the way