Official Images of Studio Series 2022 Wave 4 and Case Breakdown Showing Who is Repacked

The Fallen is a hard pass. I'm always surprised when they release a figure that has such a lazy transformation that is the equivalent to a robot doing a yoga pose and expecting us to just accept it as some Cybertronian vehicle.

Went back and watched the Bayverse portions of the livestream and wow, The Fallen looks even better in-hand from his brief appearance on the stream! Those arm appendages were done perfectly, it looks like he walked (er, teleported I guess!) right off the screen.

I know I'm going to be castigated for this but that Fallen figure looks fantastic! Yes, the alt mode is kind of lame, but I don't think he every transformed in the movie...he just teleported around so who cares about the alt mode. I don't plan on transforming him unless I get the bug to.

That Crosshairs fig looks pretty good to, and the facial detailing on Hot Rod just seems better this time around for some reason. All said, pretty good efforts all around.

Cyber Bishop wrote:Rumble and Ironhide are all that interest me from this wave.

Same.

As good as the bot mode of the Fallen looks, it doesn't look almost $60 good.
IF I can get him on sale, and by "sale", I mean for $40-sh, I'll consider it.

Ironhide and Sludge are all I want from this wave. I did see a odd scout class guy on tiktok. Not sure where he came from.

I'm just here to say, "give me your face!"

Words cannot describe how happy I am with the reveals from the stream today.

Finally, some more TLK love at last! This renews my hope that we might finally see some more TLK bots and get some that actually still don't have ANY toys!

As for the reveals:

Crosshairs is surprisingly good looking. I like that they tried something different, and that they seem to have gotten the trenchcoat pretty well done. I have always loved his design with the trenchcoat and the British paratrooper design, and this is a great new toy. I am excited for him!

Hot Rod looks GREAT!!! At last, an accurate Hot Rod, and he looks really good. They look to have gotten him done really well, gotten the proportions right, and his time gun and joints all look good. i am super excited, they have done him well!

As for the Fallen, wow, at last they have given him justice too! that robot mode looks so damn good, they really did well there. I like the alt mode, I don't mind it given his robot mode is the main attraction here. I love the face gimmick, and I am glad the staff is there.

Thank you for this, all 3 of these figures are very well done. I am super excited for this wave

Unsurprisingly, The Fallen "transform" into a yoga pose.

Hot Rod have his own mold at long last and it look fine.

As for Crosshair, that character that I hated both his AoE and TlK toys.... He looks pretty damn awesome here!

Love the Fallen, the only thing he might be missing is some extra orange paint. I personally don't like AoE/TLK designs much, but the new Hot Rod and Crosshairs look like excellent toys regardless, glad for everyone who likes those designs. Crosshair's colors look way better on this one too.

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Unless he's more complex than the photos let on I think they could have gone "tall Voyager" with the Fallen since SS Jetfire Optimus Prime isn't that tall. Combining the two just gets Prime up to Megatron's size, he's only bigger if you really lean Megs forward like this.

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Emerje

No such thing as a tall voyager in this day and age. If it's taller than a standard voyager, it becomes a leader. It's what happened to Leader DOTM Shockwave and DOTM Megatron, who both are tall voyagers.

And the Fallen will be just that. He is 2 heads taller than voyager prime, that's a leader in today's world.



And to anyone asking, yes that is a real promotional image for the ROTF ad campaign.

This is what I mean by "tall Voyager" though maybe the right description is "not short". Starscream is the right height for the Fallen (especially if you stretch the legs out more) and seemingly more complex since he has two screen accurate modes and didn't have to make one up. I look at that Fallen figure and I don't see anything about it that screams LEADER! to me, though I'm sure they made the transformation into it's entirely made up for the toy alt mode as complex as possible to justify the price! As far as I can tell they made him into a Leader just for the heck of it, not out of necessity, which kinda stings when you have another figure, Galvatron, that by all accounts should have been a leader.

Incidentally I just put my Optimus Prime M&M dispenser away in a box while I clear off my shelves.

Emerje

Emerje wrote: though I'm sure they made the transformation into it's entirely made up for the toy alt mode as complex as possible to justify the price!

The complexity was spoken of during the stream and it turns out he is simpler than most of today's deluxes.

On another note, I checked out the 360 video for Crosshairs and looks like they just gave up on that trenchcoat. It's the worst take yet since they just split it, so you have half in the front, then a gap at the sides, and then the rest of the coat in the back. Ends up looking more like a green version of that pope outfit on the top left.



The top half of crosshairs looks better though, as does the alt mode. But the main thing about him is botched.



compared to

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote: though I'm sure they made the transformation into it's entirely made up for the toy alt mode as complex as possible to justify the price!

The complexity was spoken of during the stream and it turns out he is simpler than most of today's deluxes.

On another note, I checked out the 360 video for Crosshairs and looks like they just gave up on that trenchcoat. It's the worst take yet since they just split it, so you have half in the front, then a gap at the sides, and then the rest of the coat in the back. Ends up looking more like a green version of that pope outfit on the top left.



The top half of crosshairs looks better though, as does the alt mode. But the main thing about him is botched.



compared to

Let's face it....how do you accurately portray something in plastic that was cloth-like on the big screen? The only thing I can think of would be to include a soft rubber fold that could connect the two pieces making up the front and rear of the "trench coat" together. But that would likely be too stiff or tear too easily. For what they had to work with, it's a pretty good representation. It was another of the things that made the Bayverse bots so unique in TF history...they did things no one even considered before because everyone was locked into a traditional humanoid look. Hasbro and Dreamworks gave MB a basic set of guidelines, but basically said "Here's a blank check...let's see what you can come up with". We got bots without bodies, wheels for feet, cloth trench coats, built in weapon systems, the ability to rapidly alter alt modes (which I never understood why, if they were in disguise, they stuck with the SAME disguise for years to the point where EVERYONE recognized the disguise), and more organic looks instead of the traditional Robby-the-Robot blocky builds. Say what you want about the movies (popcorn fun, that's it though), they made more changes to the way Transformers were thought of and created than at ANY other point. And THAT is why they are so hard to replicate accurately in toy form.

First-Aid wrote:
Let's face it....how do you accurately portray something in plastic that was cloth-like on the big screen? The only thing I can think of would be to include a soft rubber fold that could connect the two pieces making up the front and rear of the "trench coat" together. But that would likely be too stiff or tear too easily. For what they had to work with, it's a pretty good representation. It was another of the things that made the Bayverse bots so unique in TF history...they did things no one even considered before because everyone was locked into a traditional humanoid look. Hasbro and Dreamworks gave MB a basic set of guidelines, but basically said "Here's a blank check...let's see what you can come up with". We got bots without bodies, wheels for feet, cloth trench coats, built in weapon systems, the ability to rapidly alter alt modes (which I never understood why, if they were in disguise, they stuck with the SAME disguise for years to the point where EVERYONE recognized the disguise), and more organic looks instead of the traditional Robby-the-Robot blocky builds. Say what you want about the movies (popcorn fun, that's it though), they made more changes to the way Transformers were thought of and created than at ANY other point. And THAT is why they are so hard to replicate accurately in toy form.

I agree that's why I find it all the more impressive that the TLK toy achieved that impossible design better than the more recent toy.

For Bayverse fans, one of yesterday's biggest highlights was The Fallen while for G1 fans, it was Rumble. Well we now have in hand photos of both of those toys giving you a better look. Evan Brooks, the Hasbro designer, posted pictures of Rumble on Instagram. There we can see the comparison to the previous cassette bot mold from Siege and how it still fits within Soundwave and Blaster.

Donnay Wong, over on Facebook, posted some really beautiful and high quality images of the Fallen. We see both his faces as well as the complexity of his extra appendages and the various poses he can take. You can see all those images below.

Also super happy to see Sludge will get repacked for the holiday season, so I don't have to worry about hunting him or him not showing up yet.

That Rumble is a MUST.

I said I would never buy The Fallen but man, how can I pass on that SEXY beast?

william-james88 wrote:On another note, I checked out the 360 video for Crosshairs and looks like they just gave up on that trenchcoat. It's the worst take yet since they just split it, so you have half in the front, then a gap at the sides, and then the rest of the coat in the back. Ends up looking more like a green version of that pope outfit on the top left.



The top half of crosshairs looks better though, as does the alt mode. But the main thing about him is botched.



compared to

Looking back at the livestream, it looks like those long car panels probably can fold out from the backpack and form the sides of the trenchcoat.

always nice to hear from the toy designers. Also great to see the seibertron news staff on tops of things. I thought I'd have to notify them about this one! Great job guys

First-Aid wrote: It was another of the things that made the Bayverse bots so unique in TF history...they did things no one even considered before because everyone was locked into a traditional humanoid look. Hasbro and Dreamworks gave MB a basic set of guidelines, but basically said "Here's a blank check...let's see what you can come up with". We got bots without bodies, wheels for feet, cloth trench coats, built in weapon systems, the ability to rapidly alter alt modes (which I never understood why, if they were in disguise, they stuck with the SAME disguise for years to the point where EVERYONE recognized the disguise), and more organic looks instead of the traditional Robby-the-Robot blocky builds. Say what you want about the movies (popcorn fun, that's it though), they made more changes to the way Transformers were thought of and created than at ANY other point. And THAT is why they are so hard to replicate accurately in toy form.

Hear hear!

I have zero qualms with the shortcuts taken with Crosshairs because - as you said - his design is very difficult to implement on a regular toy (I've not seen many mass-produced, non-premium action figures with good-looking, functional trenchcoats), let alone one that has to transform into a car. I understand the appeal of screen accuracy, but Crosshairs in particular (along with Galvatron, Stinger, Devastator, Grimlock, Lockdown) are *never* going to get perfect toy representations because the mass-shifting/transformations in their movie counterparts are simply impossible to do in reality (IMO).

I love that the movies really stretched the concepts for what Transformers can look like, but the trade-off is that we can't get faithful representations of some of those characters. Guys like Crosshairs looking good from at least one angle is a fair trade-off for me

Tuned Agent wrote:Looking back at the livestream, it looks like those long car panels probably can fold out from the backpack and form the sides of the trenchcoat.

The front of the trench coat can also rotate to the side, so there should be a lot of options for posing the trench coat to make it look more complete

Thoughts!
The Fallen
Yes, big yes. I am enamored with this figure, he looks so good. And BIG! The vehicle mode is perfectly fine too, Cybertronian modes have always been fun to me the trick is just make it as wild and mishmashy from the robot mode as possible and this is in that vain enough to pass. Pumped

Hot Rod
Strangely I really want to get Hot Rod too Not because of the movie, or his roll(?) in it, by ANY means. Just purely on the basis of it being a neat toy

Crosshairs
He looks incredible compared to the old version, love the accuracy in both modes. The trench coat car panel thing probably won't be as bad as most people dread, but more pics and videos will solve that decision in time. Still, not one for me

Okay, I'm very impressed by the detail on The Fallen. I was gonna pass on him because I generally don't care for Bayverse, but that's a good looking figure.

And yes, Rumble is an insta-buy.

M. Spector wrote:Hot Rod
Strangely I really want to get Hot Rod too Not because of the movie, or his roll(?) in it

Are you referring to how his car rolls in the film?

So we could tell from the stream that Transformers Studio Series leader class ROTF The Fallen was gonna be big, but how big? How does he compare to other leader class figures? Well, as we saw earlier today, it seems several people already have their hands on this figure as images from different people and sources are already making their rounds on social media. Here is one such picture with no known source yet (if you are the owner, let us know) and it gives us our best idea at how tall/big The Fallen is. It has him stand next to leader class Jetfire, from the same series.

god he looks amazing

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:god he looks amazing

Agreed!

ZeroWolf wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:god he looks amazing

Agreed!

I am beyond excited for him!

In-hand pics of SS Hot Rod and Crosshairs from Sam Smith's Instagram! There's a few more as well.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Okay, I'm very impressed by the detail on The Fallen. I was gonna pass on him because I generally don't care for Bayverse, but that's a good looking figure.

And yes, Rumble is an insta-buy.

You know hasbro's done a figure right if it can make converts out of people

william-james88 wrote:

Wow, they really made him into a giant. I'm happier with calling him a Leader now, though I'm not sure if he needed be quite that big.



Emerje

This was probably the best stream Hasbro has done. yet. I was just expecting to see the rest of legacy wave 3 but then they showed studio series and just nailed every one of the bayverse figures. Also the hints saying that they know about the rest of TLK cast really gets me excited. Fingers crossed for the crew!

Crosshairs looks great. Love that they removed the kibble from his arms to give him a better front look.

Hotrod is perfect. I don't even know how to improve this design anymore.

The Fallen is another dream come true. I have been waiting for this since 2009. It is perfect in every way and I love that they actually made him huge like he should be! Even the altmode is awesome!

I preordered these 3 right when they went on amazon. Glad that they will be out in about 2-3 months too and not longer! Also, the designer interaction on Instagram is awesome. Love seeing the behind the scenes on the design.

LinaNui wrote:This was probably the best stream Hasbro has done. yet. I was just expecting to see the rest of legacy wave 3 but then they showed studio series and just nailed every one of the bayverse figures. Also the hints saying that they know about the rest of TLK cast really gets me excited. Fingers crossed for the crew!

Crosshairs looks great. Love that they removed the kibble from his arms to give him a better front look.

Hotrod is perfect. I don't even know how to improve this design anymore.

The Fallen is another dream come true. I have been waiting for this since 2009. It is perfect in every way and I love that they actually made him huge like he should be! Even the altmode is awesome!

I preordered these 3 right when they went on amazon. Glad that they will be out in about 2-3 months too and not longer! Also, the designer interaction on Instagram is awesome. Love seeing the behind the scenes on the design.

Streams have really gotten better in general, with better presentation and some interesting tidbits by the designers.The chat between the design team is great. They obviously have to spout some marketing crap from time to time because ultimately, these streams are adverts and they have to sell you the toys. But you can feel the passion in these guys when they talk, and the genuine enthusiasm when they talk about an aspect of the toy they feel particularly proud of.

Yeah, this stream was great and streams have gotten better. I like when they just let the designer talk. really loved the bit about interacting with the Lamborghini company and how big an input they had. You never hear about stuff like this.

While not all fans like the Bayverse designs, it seemed pretty unanimous that the Hot Rod toy presented on tuesday's stream was a very impressive toy and one of the highlights of the reveals. It was also cool to know about Lamborghini having quite an input on the toy's looks. Sam Smith (not the singer) posted images of both that toy and the other 2022 wave 4 deluxe, Crosshairs, on his instagram. For Crosshairs, he demonstrates how dynamic the figure can be with how they handled the trench coat, and how it not connecting at the sides increases poseability. Enjoy!

william-james88 wrote:Yeah, this stream was great and streams have gotten better. I like when they just let the designer talk. really loved the bit about interacting with the Lamborghini company and how big an input they had. You never hear about stuff like this.

Exactly, things like that, or the amount of people involved in making Megatron, or them just flat out saying that they couldn't factor Inferno's gun into the budget.

Those are 2 stunning deluxes. I am so excited for them!

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Those are 2 stunning deluxes. I am so excited for them!

I will second that. And third, fourth, fifth, and sixth it. It's great to see how the front flaps of the "coat" work on Crosshairs...just fantastic work!

Rtron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Yeah, this stream was great and streams have gotten better. I like when they just let the designer talk. really loved the bit about interacting with the Lamborghini company and how big an input they had. You never hear about stuff like this.

Exactly, things like that, or the amount of people involved in making Megatron, or them just flat out saying that they couldn't factor Inferno's gun into the budget.

It's like the complete opposite of how things were handled by the Hasbro team of 2010-2013, who were just so secretive and overprotective of everything. At every one of those years' BotCons, that Hasbro team held panels for new revelations related to the Aligned continuity (TF: Prime, the WFC/FOC video games, or just the Aligned lore in general) and each time they were like "What we're about to show you requires that you turn off all your cameras and recording devices, and if we find out that you've taken any pictures or videos of this, you're history, and so is our showing you all anything like this ever again!"

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Okay, I'm very impressed by the detail on The Fallen. I was gonna pass on him because I generally don't care for Bayverse, but that's a good looking figure.

And yes, Rumble is an insta-buy.

You know hasbro's done a figure right if it can make converts out of people

Well I wouldn't call myself a convert, but I'm not against getting a great looking piece like that either. I don't have many SS figures, leaders mostly, but this will be a centerpiece for sure.

I was gonna wait for the MPM version, but that might be years away and this looks great anyway.

Rtron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Yeah, this stream was great and streams have gotten better. I like when they just let the designer talk. really loved the bit about interacting with the Lamborghini company and how big an input they had. You never hear about stuff like this.

Exactly, things like that, or the amount of people involved in making Megatron, or them just flat out saying that they couldn't factor Inferno's gun into the budget.

I also did enjoy hearing about how Inferno and Starscream do share that voyager budget and how a change in deco for inferno's ant eyes meant removing paint from Starscream's sword. It does confirm what people have been saying a long time that to understand how a figure comes out, you have to get a sense of the entire wave/class output.
As for the decision, it makes both figures more toy accurate. But at the same time, I woudn't have minded the original plan either. Still, cool to know they think a lot of stuff like that.

william-james88 wrote:

Rtron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Yeah, this stream was great and streams have gotten better. I like when they just let the designer talk. really loved the bit about interacting with the Lamborghini company and how big an input they had. You never hear about stuff like this.

Exactly, things like that, or the amount of people involved in making Megatron, or them just flat out saying that they couldn't factor Inferno's gun into the budget.

I also did enjoy hearing about how Inferno and Starscream do share that voyager budget and how a change in deco for inferno's ant eyes meant removing paint from Starscream's sword. It does confirm what people have been saying a long time that to understand how a figure comes out, you have to get a sense of the entire wave/class output.
As for the decision, it makes both figures more toy accurate. But at the same time, I woudn't have minded the original plan either. Still, cool to know they think a lot of stuff like that.

irnerno lacking the gun is sad, but not the end of the world. His original toy didn't come with it anyway (it came with weird pincers), but an upgrade kit surely will. On the upside, HE HAS MOUTH ARTICULATION! I don't remember seeing mouth articulation before, except maybe legacy metroplex.

PvP review for The Fallen is out, the size comparisons are very cool to see! Fallen is very big, seemingly about the same height as Grimlock (if not slightly shorter)

Forgot to include the link in the news submission, sorry about that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLUGe_XgdY&t=110s

Perfection

Yeah, that's a grand slam on the designers' part. Definite buy.

Wait hold up, what gun are we talking about on Inferno, the four-barreled one that doubles as its boosters, the one in all the promo pics?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Wait hold up, what gun are we talking about on Inferno, the four-barreled one that doubles as its boosters, the one in all the promo pics?

Pretty sure they mean this one.



They wanted to include a weapon but couldn't price it in so they went with the butt gun instead.

Emerje

Just scored core class Ratchet and Wheelie for $8.49 each.

Be alert - Ratchet's gun was loose in the box. If I hadn't been pulling it fresh out of the case myself it'd probably be lost to the winds of the toy aisle.

Dr. Caelus wrote:Just scored core class Ratchet and Wheelie for $8.49 each.

Be alert - Ratchet's gun was loose in the box. If I hadn't been pulling it fresh out of the case myself it'd probably be lost to the winds of the toy aisle.

Where from? And yeah, been having some issues myself with parts bouncing around in the box.

Emerje

Deeefinitely a better fallen then we got back in the day

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Wait hold up, what gun are we talking about on Inferno, the four-barreled one that doubles as its boosters, the one in all the promo pics?

The lack of the flamethrower from the show. The one with ant jaws on it that replaced the claw pincer from the toy.