Official In-Package Images: Transformers Generations "Fall of Cybertron" Optimus Prime, Autobot Jazz, and Shockwave

Will get Jazz and Shockwave. Pass on Optimus because I will get Ultra Magnus.

More card, more toy, I think not. Also, the "bios" look more like carbon copied sales pitches. I know, it's Transformers ad libs

(name)
The battle between AUTOBOT and DECEPTICON is never over, and this (Transformers name) figure is the next generation of awesome TRANSFORMERS action! Your (Transformers name) figure comes armed with an (weapon) that will make any (faction) think twice about taking him on. But when he needs to go on the move, convert him to incredible (vehicle)! Keep converting him back and forth so he can handle whatever his (faction) enemies try to dish out!

so, any word on a release date yet?

omega666 wrote:Will get Jazz and Shockwave. Pass on Optimus because I will get Ultra Magnus.

por que no las dos?

As much as I don't care for Optimus, I will get him. If anything I'll keep him in vehicle mode and give his gun to WFC Optimus since it is designed to fit over his hand as if it had tranformed out from his arm (even though Hasbro apparently doesn't realize it was designed to do that).

The other 2 are no brainers, though I do with Jazz was a little more off white. He is too bright.

Dammit, that's not much of a bio. You'd think with the whole aligned thing Hasbro could have gave a more decent character description. Oh well, this seems action-packed and marketed towards kids. Even DOTM did not base their bios off their mechtech gimmick...

Yeah, these do look good. I love getting some cybertron mode bots. These are my top tier picks for characters I want, so nicely done there.

But yeah, while these feel a little small, especially prime and shockwave and the jets and ultra magnus, they'll be fun for a video game shelf. I can see leaving prime in vehicle mode as well... using the first game prime for that role.

Wish we could get a Bumblebee that looked like the first appearance on Cybertron... even legend size would be awesome.

Please, watch and learn BBTS and TFsource, you actually CAN sell shockwave individually!

The art on the cards is fantastic. I like that they use the character as the focal point of the card art.

Che wrote:Please, watch and learn BBTS and TFsource, you actually CAN sell shockwave individually!

Of course they can, but they also know he'll sell out well before anyone else and then they'll have a warehouse full of Primes.

Just good buisness sense to bundle them up when it's obvious two of the three are popular with fans.

I will be getting this Shockwave. I'm honestly not super impressed with it as I think they could have done much more with this character. However I feel this is the only representation we will get for the whole Generations/Universe/Reveal the sheild/Classics line so for that reason alone I will grab him.

Jazz and Prime will be passed on as I don't see them being replacements for the Reveal the shield Jazz and Classics Prime.

Erailea wrote:Of course they can, but they also know he'll sell out well before anyone else and then they'll have a warehouse full of Primes. Just good buisness sense to bundle them up when it's obvious two of the three are popular with fans.

Good for them, bad for me and any other consumer who is just interested in shocks, very glad that some store has been able to sell shocks individually, and that is the store who is getting my business (just good consumer sense... and the stores which are not doing that can keep not just one or two but all three warming up their stocks...)

Here are their actual bios:

They look tiny on the cards. Did they look small to anyone who saw them at Botcon? Smaller than the War For figures, I mean.

They have Shockwave labeled as Cybertronian Mobile Artillery mode? That's random.

Anybody else lol when they saw Prime?

These kinda look like GI Joe cards.

zodconvoy wrote:They look tiny on the cards. Did they look small to anyone who saw them at Botcon? Smaller than the War For figures, I mean.

They're smaller. While at the New York toy fair a guy from another site brought a WFC Megatron for comparison and he was larger than all of these guys.

zodconvoy wrote:They look tiny on the cards. Did they look small to anyone who saw them at Botcon? Smaller than the War For figures, I mean.

According to comments from people at TFW who went to Botcon... yes, they are smaller, more like big scouts than small deluxes... which sucks! I would prefer to pay more to have them at scale if increasing production/distribution costs are the issue behind shrunken figures since DOTM (see, there is no mechtech there to be the "excuse" now... ¬_¬')

Che wrote:

zodconvoy wrote:They look tiny on the cards. Did they look small to anyone who saw them at Botcon? Smaller than the War For figures, I mean.

According to comments from people at TFW who went to Botcon... yes, they are smaller, more like big scouts than small deluxes... which sucks! I would prefer to pay more to have them at scale if increasing production/distribution costs are the issue behind shrunken figures since DOTM (see, there is no mechtech there to be the "excuse" now... ¬_¬')

Yeah, I'd buy these all at a $15 price point for them to actually be a decent size.

Edit: Hold on, these are already at a $15 dollar price point!?! Yeah, not collecting this line at all now. What makes these $3 dollars more than the Prime figures?

Jazz and Shockwave are a must. But Prime and Ultra even they are an easy pass my experience tells me get them and wait for and upgrade from 3rd Party

Good point. Design wise, I think these may be the best cards we've ever had. The figure is HUGE and really pops off the page. Bravo Hasbro.

Bleh, Jazz looks so bland, but I will still buy him because he's a favorite. I also have a plan to do some part-swapping with Sideswipe now that I know they're based on the same mold.

I'm impressed with Shockwave but he doesn't fit in my collection due to scale. I'd kill to have him done in leader class.

Lord Onixprime wrote:Edit: Hold on, these are already at a $15 dollar price point!?! Yeah, not collecting this line at all now. What makes these $3 dollars more than the Prime figures?

LOL, sad no?
I also saw that, prices are going up while quality is becoming... sometimes... questinable... especially if you pay attention to some details beyond the overall aesthetics. I don't know if it is just me, but compared to older lines, since DOTM plastic of some figures doesn't feel quite the same (thinner?) and some voyagers are coming with ball joints for shoulders and hips. It's already not that easy to pay more for the same, but it's even harder to pay more for less...

gothsaurus wrote:Good point. Design wise, I think these may be the best cards we've ever had. The figure is HUGE and really pops off the page. Bravo Hasbro.

I respect that, but I confess I don't get why package is so important for some fans '=P. I wouldn't care less and if HasTak had to save some costs, I would say "just sell me some of them loose"

Like I said before I will maintain not picking up Shocky until I see what Takara has to offer. The waiting may go something like this... .

Definitely some shrinkage from WfC, though I think Shockwave may be roughly the same height.

Haaa. Yeah, I'd buy some loose too, but I'm sure the general kid audience never would.

I'm mostly just responding to how BIG the art is on the card... instead of a far off robot, we have a right-up-in-your-face robot. Very nice. Heh.

from what ive read here these guys are almost scout size but are being sold for $15, please for the love of god boycott this line this madness has to end. Just remember if no one buys em they will go on clearance and be a realistic price.

Yikes. Well, at least it allows Megatron to look impressive next tot he rest of them.

Agreed. Placing the cars next to Megs will look nice and kinda in scale.

(heh. Scale!? what's that!?)

To spin it in a positive aspect, if you have the WFC figures, Megatron and Optimus will be in scale with Jazz and Sideswipe. Possibly even the seekers. Magnus and Shockwave will be smaller than Bumblebee and Cliffjumper

Either those are huge bubbles and cards or these are puny deluxes...

Knowing there is a Voyager Soundwave coming, I'm hoping to goodness they rectify things with some larger leader and seeker bots. Else, it's going to be an odd shelf...

Soundwave dwarfing everyone, and Bumblebee being bigger than Shockwave, Jazz, and Sideswipe.

Surely someone at Hasbro is thinking about this stuff and losing sleep trying to make it right.

You know, wasn't WFC Megs on the same scale DOTM deluxes? So does that make these smaller FOC deluxes the same size as the Prime figures? Because, if I remember right, Prime figs are smaller than normal too (I'm not home right now and I'm drawing a blank of sizes. I just remember the complaints when the the line first started appearing)

korisifu wrote:To spin it in a positive aspect, if you have the WFC figures, Megatron and Optimus will be in scale with Jazz and Sideswipe. Possibly even the seekers. Magnus and Shockwave will be smaller than Bumblebee and Cliffjumper

Magnus and Shockwave smaller than Bumblebee and Cliffjumper...
...

The positive doesn't help much

maybe they'll put out a new Bumblebee a bit smaller.

okay, thinking about the last 5 years.... I'm relatively SURE they'll put out another Bumblebee with this line. LOL. (remembers the last 5 toy lines in a wash of yellow and black)

gothsaurus wrote:Soundwave dwarfing everyone

He can't be THAT big. With Voyagers being smaller than old Voyagers combined with him having almost Minicon-sized pack-ins, he's probably just gonna be a bulky WFC Soundwave.

Plus, he don't look that big, IMO.

gothsaurus wrote:maybe they'll put out a new Bumblebee a bit smaller.

I'm personally hoping for a Scout-class 'Bee.

They'll have Voyagers and Legions, so why not?

gothsaurus wrote:maybe they'll put out a new Bumblebee a bit smaller.

Give some time and deluxes will be in scale with the Worlds Smallest Transformers LOL

But they will offer an ultra class transformer magnifying glass =P

Yeah, Scout class would be perfect. Cripes. They could put out the whole line of minibots as Cybertron mode and I'd snatch them up like they were... I dunno... minicons or something.

Erailea wrote:You know, wasn't WFC Megs on the same scale DOTM deluxes? So does that make these smaller FOC deluxes the same size as the Prime figures? Because, if I remember right, Prime figs are smaller than normal too (I'm not home right now and I'm drawing a blank of sizes. I just remember the complaints when the the line first started appearing)

Nah, Megs is about on scale with the other Generations figures. He came out during ROTF, before the downsizing. He is quite a bit bulkier than the Classics Seeker mold.

Still... I don't want Soundwave to be the proverbial Bulkhead on my FOC shelf. I'd like to have a voyager size....

Prime
Megatron
Grimlock (oh yeah)
Seekers (taking into account the wingspan, these would be slightly smaller and just right in the lineup)
Shockwave

So point being, if Hasbro put these out as well... I'd buy them too.

Wow, super excited for the Fall of Cybertron line. Like everyone else, I’ll be using these to supplement my War for Cybertron/Generations collection. I have the Cybetronian versions of Optimus, Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, Megatron, and Soundwave from that line, and the new FoC stuff will fit perfectly. In fact, I am planning on not buying any of the FOC characters I already have from the WFC line. (Who am I kidding, of course I'll buy them.)

A fellow collector pre-ordered an assortment with Optimus, Shockwave, and Jazz, and I bought his Jazz- can't wait!

You know, if they'd make the card back just big enough to stick the bubble onto and get rid of some of the void space int the package they could cut $4 off each figure, ship more to a case, and put more figures on more pegs. If they are going to reduce the size of the figure, reduce the size of the packaging to save costs too. I'd buy everyone of these without hesitation or a grimace on my face if they came in as minimalist of a package as possible and at a $10-$11 dollar price point.

As it is, if it comes to a decision between these and a handful of Bot Shots or a Prime figure at a lower price point, I'm not choosing the FOC figure.

This all sounds great (to us collectors).... but bottom line to a successful corporation is making money. If they can't grab the kids attention with a GIANT visual (whether a big package OR a big card backer) then they lose out to other toys on the shelves.

SOOOooooo those cards aren't going away any time soon.

I'd still love to see them switching to a resealable version like the Japanese ones. That's still a feasible possibility.

Lord Onixprime wrote:If they are going to reduce the size of the figure, reduce the size of the packaging to save costs too. I'd buy everyone of these without hesitation or a grimace on my face if they came in as minimalist of a package as possible and at a $10-$11 dollar price point.

Totally agree. Shrink the package, bring back the old deluxe size and I will even gladly pay more than $10-$11...

We all had the same discussion at the con regarding the awkwardly huge Mech Tech weapons. They're downsizing the toys to include an awkward, clunky brick of a weapon with the figure. We're all pretty much in agreement that they're wicked-useless and out of proportion... but they boost sales to Hasbro's main demographic of little kids.

We're going to be stuck with smaller figures and bigger packaging... and BAM-ZOWIE-KABLAM mech-tech gimmicks for the long haul through the recession.

gothsaurus wrote:This all sounds great (to us collectors).... but bottom line to a successful corporation is making money. If they can't grab the kids attention with a GIANT visual (whether a big package OR a big card backer) then they lose out to other toys on the shelves.

SOOOooooo those cards aren't going away any time soon.

I'd still love to see them switching to a resealable version like the Japanese ones. That's still a feasible possibility.

We had tiny boxes for our deluxe(and larger) equivalents in the G1 days and we made due.

Lord Onixprime wrote:

Erailea wrote:You know, wasn't WFC Megs on the same scale DOTM deluxes? So does that make these smaller FOC deluxes the same size as the Prime figures? Because, if I remember right, Prime figs are smaller than normal too (I'm not home right now and I'm drawing a blank of sizes. I just remember the complaints when the the line first started appearing)

Nah, Megs is about on scale with the other Generations figures. He came out during ROTF, before the downsizing. He is quite a bit bulkier than the Classics Seeker mold.

I seems to have said that oddly... What I was asking was in the Fall of Cybertron figures are on the the same size ratio as the PRID figures. Because aren't the PRID figures smaller than those lines that came out before them?

Erailea wrote:

Lord Onixprime wrote:

Erailea wrote:You know, wasn't WFC Megs on the same scale DOTM deluxes? So does that make these smaller FOC deluxes the same size as the Prime figures? Because, if I remember right, Prime figs are smaller than normal too (I'm not home right now and I'm drawing a blank of sizes. I just remember the complaints when the the line first started appearing)

Nah, Megs is about on scale with the other Generations figures. He came out during ROTF, before the downsizing. He is quite a bit bulkier than the Classics Seeker mold.

I seems to have said that oddly... What I was asking was in the Fall of Cybertron figures are on the the same size ratio as the PRID figures. Because aren't the PRID figures smaller than those lines that came out before them?

Comparing TFP Wheeljack to Generations Wheeljack... the TFP version is a tad taller, but a heck of a lot scrawnier. And there's a huge size difference in car mode.

Yeah, there's a noticeable difference. Though on the other hand, RiD had small deluxes(Car brothers, Build Team, etc). As did Beast Wars. Maybe we're just spoiled by the A/E/C toy sizes.

gothsaurus wrote:This all sounds great (to us collectors).... but bottom line to a successful corporation is making money. If they can't grab the kids attention with a GIANT visual (whether a big package OR a big card backer) then they lose out to other toys on the shelves.

SOOOooooo those cards aren't going away any time soon.

I'd still love to see them switching to a resealable version like the Japanese ones. That's still a feasible possibility.

Except no parent in their right mind is buying these at $15 dollars, and the Generations line is more geared towards us than the kiddies.

orangeitis wrote:I seems to have said that oddly... What I was asking was in the Fall of Cybertron figures are on the the same size ratio as the PRID figures. Because aren't the PRID figures smaller than those lines that came out before them?

Comparing TFP Wheeljack to Generations Wheeljack... the TFP version is a tad taller, but a heck of a lot scrawnier. And there's a huge size difference in car mode.

Yeah, there's a noticeable difference. Though on the other hand, RiD had small deluxes(Car brothers, Build Team, etc). As did Beast Wars. Maybe we're just spoiled by the A/E/C toy sizes.

Yeah, but you are also talking about the days back when a Deluxe was $10 at the most, and a Mega (Voyager) was $15. That, and each figure was intricately detailed, and had loads more paint apps. I mean, RID Sideburn is almost completely covered in paint.

I'd say the FOC figure are probably more or less PRID sized, but a heck of a lot scrawnier, and $3 more expensive.