Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper
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If this is indeed coming, as opposed to a scrapped project, he seems quite far along since we get these kinds of prototypes right before they set up the plastic colours for production.
That would mean the G1 MP line is on a roll with us getting 3 seekers, followed by Skids (and his redecos) and Nightshadow.
The images are from Robotic Planet.
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sparticus1701 wrote:Of course we're all wondering where he was storing that giant bazooka in the cartoon... Will the toy let you try to shove that up his tailpipe?
His backpack's big enough, you could probably unfold it a little and store it there, along with all his other accessories
Posted by Big Grim on August 16th, 2021 @ 3:22am CDT
Personally, I sorta hope that the more toy accurately detailed Skids is a sign they are moving BACK in that direction. Y'know, how MPs started and were for a huge amount of time.
~ Grim
Posted by ThunderThruster on August 16th, 2021 @ 4:15am CDT
This carries over many of the thing's I didn't like about v2 Bee.
Posted by Sherlock Zero on August 16th, 2021 @ 6:07am CDT
On one hand, he is currently my #1 favorite when it comes to anything tied to Hasbro. Excluding color and Mini-spay variants, they have released him four times (1x series 1, 2x series 2, 1x Listen 'n Fun) in 1984 and 1985. His only re-releases were in 2001 when it comes to Fun-4-All, and again in 2007 when it comes to Basic Fun's share of the 'Heroes of Cybertron' line.
(Internationally, I have zero knowledge if there are Hasbro Canada and Hasbro Europe versions of the 'Mini-spy' releases. Nor do I know if there is a bilingual version of the Listen 'n Fun book in those regions. All I do know is that in 2002, Wal-Mart Canada did an exclusive reissue of the Fun-4-All "Key Chains". My only guess is that they did both series, even though I have only found one on a bilingual 'series 1' card.)
On the other hand, TakaraTomy has made my interest in this line slowly fade away. If this was to be based on "MP-21" Bumble's tooling, I would be anticipating the day I could preorder it. But since it is appearing to be based on "MP-45" Bumble's tooling... I am feeling conflicted. Either way, I will try to find a way to get the original figure in some form and call it a day.
Either way, it's Cliffjumper. So I will not make a final decision until I see an official announcement.
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Posted by Sherlock Zero on August 16th, 2021 @ 5:30pm CDT
Tuned Agent wrote:Hey, look on the bright side, this doesn't have MP45's headsculpt. So at least Cliff is better by default.
100% agreed! Because, after all, I also felt that they had... Bumble'd... it.
Posted by william-james88 on August 26th, 2021 @ 11:45pm CDT
The images are courtesy of jkhan7.
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TFIta369 wrote:It is not uncommon for mainline figures to be "leaked" like this before being officially announced, even something akin happened to the MPM line with MPM-07 VW Bumblebee too, if I recall correctly, but I find it kind of odd that Takara Tomy hasn't teased or revealed this Cliffjumper already like they usually do through social media posts or in those japanese action figure magazines.
I'm thinking Cliffjumper was meant to be revealed at Wonder Festival 2021 [Autumn] next month and then show up in the magazines shortly after which we've seen in the past, but that got canceled again so now the magazines are needlessly behind.
And you're right about the MPM-07 VW Bee. Pretty sure it was posted by a maker of KOs so it really threw people off.
Emerje
Posted by TFIta369 on August 28th, 2021 @ 11:42am CDT
Emerje wrote:TFIta369 wrote:It is not uncommon for mainline figures to be "leaked" like this before being officially announced, even something akin happened to the MPM line with MPM-07 VW Bumblebee too, if I recall correctly, but I find it kind of odd that Takara Tomy hasn't teased or revealed this Cliffjumper already like they usually do through social media posts or in those japanese action figure magazines.
I'm thinking Cliffjumper was meant to be revealed at Wonder Festival 2021 [Autumn] next month and then show up in the magazines shortly after which we've seen in the past, but that got canceled again so now the magazines are needlessly behind.
And you're right about the MPM-07 VW Bee. Pretty sure it was posted by a maker of KOs so it really threw people off.
Emerje
That sounds reasonable. Hopefully Takara Tomy won't wait too much longer to show Cliffjumper off "the right way" instead of these not-so-appealing pictures.
Posted by Rodimus Knight on August 29th, 2021 @ 10:50pm CDT
frogbat wrote:think I'd have preferred a companion piece for bumblebee v1, and I do like the anime aesthetic etc
Agreed. I think it would have been better too. I'm not really a fan of the cartoon accurate MPs anyway.
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Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:20pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:the chest does appear to be mistransformed, you can also compare that to the unpainted sample.
Didn't read that part before... Nevermind.
I know we can't gauge the scale from these images but with the way the wheels sit in his Bot Mode chest, it would suggest he is tiny. I wonder if that will accurately be reflected in the price...
Posted by DaveTheRave137 on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:21pm CDT
I hate these soft human anime faces, why isnt all the body fluid if they have that tech.
Don’t they realise anime form was liked so much becuase, the toy in the box disnt look like what the drawing was telling us it should be.
Now we can have toya that look like the actual no holds barred design. So much so that we have toys that revert to look like an actualy cartoon, now that is a point when anything is possible. So just make the mps look the beat they can be. Give them style, make them look beyond what we imagined, take them to a place where they are still what we recognise, but go forward, don’t make them into something we settled for becuase that was the best we had offered. Look at the anime movie, now that was getting closer to what i was hoping for, and they are using sat morning sketches come on, look at the comics look at what is possible, are they really thinking we would rather that anime style over the rushed budget morning show, those artosts could do better they had a deadline, this is masterpiece, and look at the prices wow
Posted by william-james88 on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:34pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:william-james88 wrote:the chest does appear to be mistransformed, you can also compare that to the unpainted sample.
Didn't read that part before... Nevermind.
I know we can't gauge the scale from these images but with the way the wheels sit in his Bot Mode chest, it would suggest he is tiny. I wonder if that will accurately be reflected in the price...
He'll be the same price as Bee 2.0
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:39pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:He'll be the same price as Bee 2.0
A quick search and that would place MP Cliffjumper between 100-150 (ironically, currency exchange doesn't seem to matter).
Just when I thought things were starting to settle down again price-wise, with MP Skids.
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Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 5:13am CDT
I wouldn't even get the KO of this utter, utter failure of a product.
Posted by RiddlerJ on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:13am CDT
Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:31am CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
Posted by RiddlerJ on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:33am CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:55am CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
Posted by optimeow on November 5th, 2021 @ 8:28am CDT
(which was the only version of that particular mold)
Someone previously replied to a post of mine saying that PF Bumblebee would be the last release as a VW Beetle.
It seems strange that VW is giving out licences for cars other than the Beetle.
Could that be why we are getting non-realistic vehicle modes for MP on these characters?
Could it also be because VW has stopped producing Beetles altogether? (even the actual cars)
So many questions. So few or no answers to them
Posted by sol magnus on November 5th, 2021 @ 8:36am CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2021 @ 8:44am CDT
sol magnus wrote:but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Posted by william-james88 on November 5th, 2021 @ 10:16am CDT
That being said, I think the Porsche licence has been aquired since one of the main transformers in the next live action film is a Porsche (but not a guarantee as we saw with Ferrari).
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:04pm CDT
sol magnus wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?
Posted by sol magnus on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:10pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:sol magnus wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?
I would've thought the 'stingy with licensing' implication would cover that.
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:13pm CDT
sol magnus wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:sol magnus wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?
I would've thought the 'stingy with licensing' implication would cover that.
Like I've written/linked to before, RUF have given licences out (to videogames) when Porsche couldn't/wouldn't before.
Posted by sol magnus on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:16pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:sol magnus wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:sol magnus wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.
I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.
Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
I'm going by this
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche
I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).
If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.
Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?
I would've thought the 'stingy with licensing' implication would cover that.
Like I've written/linked to before, RUF have given licences out (to videogames) when Porsche couldn't/wouldn't before.
I guess you'd have to ask them. It's definitely frustrating.
Posted by william-james88 on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:37pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 7th, 2021 @ 3:21pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 7th, 2021 @ 3:33pm CST
Now the dreadful back reveal...
Clean, or kibble cancer?
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 7th, 2021 @ 3:44pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:As usual, miss-transforming for the first reveal gives a bad first impression. This looks relatively acceptable.
Now the dreadful back reveal...
Clean, or kibble cancer?
That's the same as, say, YouTubers getting hold of official toys, before they're officially/legally available, and reviewing them. If they point out flaws that are either legitimately present (but might not be so in the official release later on), mistranform the toy, or make errors about the flaws (which don't actually exist), then these can all create a bad first impression.
I suppose the worst case would be in official photos, as arguably, that's what "johnny public" might consider to be the "only" way the product can be (transformed as), which might put off some potential customers?
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 6th, 2022 @ 7:42am CST
With no official word from Takaratomy about Masterpiece Cliffjumper, this next story should be taken with a grain of salt.
The Japanese Transformers fan blog Autobase Aichi has reported on news that was originally found on Chinese social media, that of a comparison between the potential Masterpiece Cliffjumper figure, and the figure it shares parts with, MP-45 Bumblebee.
Check out the images below:
What do you think of this? Is this the Masterpiece Cliffjumper you wanted?
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Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 6th, 2022 @ 8:19am CST