Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper

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More and more images are popping up of what appears to be a prototype of an upcoming Masterpiece Cliffjumper. It seems very similar to the latest Masterpiece Bumblebee with the hodge podge of a back pack and lots of kibble behind the legs. Which means it would transform similarly, as he did back in the G1 era, while also being a new mold. As with the latest Bumblebee, he becomes a chibby version of his car model, which in this case is a Porsche.

If this is indeed coming, as opposed to a scrapped project, he seems quite far along since we get these kinds of prototypes right before they set up the plastic colours for production.

That would mean the G1 MP line is on a roll with us getting 3 seekers, followed by Skids (and his redecos) and Nightshadow.

The images are from Robotic Planet.

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Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2113115)
Posted by transformers_va on August 15th, 2021 @ 2:26pm CDT

I love seeing more G1 masterpiece characters! Just wish they had learned their lesson from Bumblebee v2.0, and fixed those horrible flat feet

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2113134)
Posted by BumbleDouche on August 15th, 2021 @ 5:52pm CDT

I think that "BS" mark on him sums him up nicely - a load of bullsh!t. Takara continue their fall from grace, it seems. What happened to the ingenuity that gave us things like ladder magic?

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2113166)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on August 15th, 2021 @ 10:25pm CDT

I'm disappointed. I'd like to have a real life car accurate version like the first MP Bumbleebee did and not the SD cartoon car.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2113167)
Posted by sparticus1701 on August 15th, 2021 @ 10:31pm CDT

Of course we're all wondering where he was storing that giant bazooka in the cartoon... Will the toy let you try to shove that up his tailpipe?

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2113168)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 15th, 2021 @ 10:38pm CDT

sparticus1701 wrote:Of course we're all wondering where he was storing that giant bazooka in the cartoon... Will the toy let you try to shove that up his tailpipe?

His backpack's big enough, you could probably unfold it a little and store it there, along with all his other accessories :lol:

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2113180)
Posted by Big Grim on August 16th, 2021 @ 3:22am CDT

Ugly as sin, same as V.2 Bumblebee. I REALLY wish they'd get out of this "Anime accurate" (itself an oxymoron. The cartoon was rife with errors) lack of detail, while over engineering things. The first MP Bumblebee was perfect and has a beautiful transformation. His alt mode looks like a bug without being super deformed.

Personally, I sorta hope that the more toy accurately detailed Skids is a sign they are moving BACK in that direction. Y'know, how MPs started and were for a huge amount of time.

~ Grim

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2113183)
Posted by ThunderThruster on August 16th, 2021 @ 4:15am CDT

I think many of us who already have either XTB's Toro or OX's Hellion will be hard pressed to replace them with this.
This carries over many of the thing's I didn't like about v2 Bee.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2113187)
Posted by Sherlock Zero on August 16th, 2021 @ 6:07am CDT

When it comes to this, I am literally 50/50 on how I feel. :???:

On one hand, he is currently my #1 favorite when it comes to anything tied to Hasbro. Excluding color and Mini-spay variants, they have released him four times (1x series 1, 2x series 2, 1x Listen 'n Fun) in 1984 and 1985. His only re-releases were in 2001 when it comes to Fun-4-All, and again in 2007 when it comes to Basic Fun's share of the 'Heroes of Cybertron' line.

(Internationally, I have zero knowledge if there are Hasbro Canada and Hasbro Europe versions of the 'Mini-spy' releases. Nor do I know if there is a bilingual version of the Listen 'n Fun book in those regions. All I do know is that in 2002, Wal-Mart Canada did an exclusive reissue of the Fun-4-All "Key Chains". My only guess is that they did both series, even though I have only found one on a bilingual 'series 1' card.)

On the other hand, TakaraTomy has made my interest in this line slowly fade away. If this was to be based on "MP-21" Bumble's tooling, I would be anticipating the day I could preorder it. But since it is appearing to be based on "MP-45" Bumble's tooling... I am feeling conflicted. Either way, I will try to find a way to get the original figure in some form and call it a day.

Either way, it's Cliffjumper. So I will not make a final decision until I see an official announcement.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2113198)
Posted by DeathReviews on August 16th, 2021 @ 8:42am CDT

Not seeing anything in this Cliffjumper prototype to tempt me. And the reviews I've seen for the Seeker 3.0 mold have been discouraging.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2113200)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on August 16th, 2021 @ 8:50am CDT

If only this being a prototype meant those feet were not finalised... >:oP

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2113238)
Posted by Tuned Agent on August 16th, 2021 @ 11:15am CDT

Hey, look on the bright side, this doesn't have MP45's headsculpt. So at least Cliff is better by default.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2113270)
Posted by Sherlock Zero on August 16th, 2021 @ 5:30pm CDT

Tuned Agent wrote:Hey, look on the bright side, this doesn't have MP45's headsculpt. So at least Cliff is better by default.

100% agreed! ;)^

Because, after all, I also felt that they had... Bumble'd... it. :WHISTLE:

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2114193)
Posted by william-james88 on August 26th, 2021 @ 11:45pm CDT

We had seen images of a still to be revealed MP Cliffjumper in green plastic as a test figure and now we see a coloured sample. This is painted as is the case with many samples. We are still unaware of whether or not it will be entirely painted plastic or red plastic in the end, or even if this toy will be made for any of us to buy. But still, we wanted to share the images of the process. We rarely get to follow a toy's journey like this so let's savour it. While the alt mode looks full of gaps, this is still the test phase, so it's the time to iron out issues.

The images are courtesy of jkhan7.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2114198)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on August 27th, 2021 @ 1:23am CDT

Even in this stage of the game, it looks better than Bumblebee 2.0

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2114208)
Posted by frogbat on August 27th, 2021 @ 8:14am CDT

think I'd have preferred a companion piece for bumblebee v1, and I do like the anime aesthetic etc

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2114209)
Posted by TFIta369 on August 27th, 2021 @ 8:57am CDT

It is not uncommon for mainline figures to be "leaked" like this before being officially announced, even something akin happened to the MPM line with MPM-07 VW Bumblebee too, if I recall correctly, but I find it kind of odd that Takara Tomy hasn't teased or revealed this Cliffjumper already like they usually do through social media posts or in those japanese action figure magazines. :-?

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2114212)
Posted by DeathReviews on August 27th, 2021 @ 10:25am CDT

It's crap-tacular!

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2114297)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on August 27th, 2021 @ 3:28pm CDT

I dunno, adding colour seems to make it look worse, somehow?

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2114403)
Posted by Emerje on August 28th, 2021 @ 4:39am CDT

TFIta369 wrote:It is not uncommon for mainline figures to be "leaked" like this before being officially announced, even something akin happened to the MPM line with MPM-07 VW Bumblebee too, if I recall correctly, but I find it kind of odd that Takara Tomy hasn't teased or revealed this Cliffjumper already like they usually do through social media posts or in those japanese action figure magazines.

I'm thinking Cliffjumper was meant to be revealed at Wonder Festival 2021 [Autumn] next month and then show up in the magazines shortly after which we've seen in the past, but that got canceled again so now the magazines are needlessly behind.

And you're right about the MPM-07 VW Bee. Pretty sure it was posted by a maker of KOs so it really threw people off.

Emerje

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2114444)
Posted by TFIta369 on August 28th, 2021 @ 11:42am CDT

Emerje wrote:
TFIta369 wrote:It is not uncommon for mainline figures to be "leaked" like this before being officially announced, even something akin happened to the MPM line with MPM-07 VW Bumblebee too, if I recall correctly, but I find it kind of odd that Takara Tomy hasn't teased or revealed this Cliffjumper already like they usually do through social media posts or in those japanese action figure magazines.

I'm thinking Cliffjumper was meant to be revealed at Wonder Festival 2021 [Autumn] next month and then show up in the magazines shortly after which we've seen in the past, but that got canceled again so now the magazines are needlessly behind.

And you're right about the MPM-07 VW Bee. Pretty sure it was posted by a maker of KOs so it really threw people off.

Emerje

That sounds reasonable. Hopefully Takara Tomy won't wait too much longer to show Cliffjumper off "the right way" instead of these not-so-appealing pictures.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2114579)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on August 29th, 2021 @ 10:50pm CDT

frogbat wrote:think I'd have preferred a companion piece for bumblebee v1, and I do like the anime aesthetic etc

Agreed. I think it would have been better too. I'm not really a fan of the cartoon accurate MPs anyway.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120250)
Posted by william-james88 on November 4th, 2021 @ 3:00pm CDT

We had seen images of a still to be revealed MP Cliffjumper in green plastic as a test figure and properly coloured for vehicle mode. Well now we see a coloured sample of his robot mode. This is painted as is the case with many samples and we are still unaware of whether or not it will be entirely painted plastic or red plastic in the end, or even if this toy will be made for any of us to buy. But still, we wanted to share the images of the process. We rarely get to follow a toy's journey like this so let's savour it. While the alt mode looks full of gaps, this is still the test phase, so it's the time to iron out issues. What we notice here is that it is a different face from the one we saw before (also below) so it could be that this is one of the other faces this figure comes with. the chest does appear to be mistransformed, you can also compare that to the unpainted sample.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120251)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2021 @ 3:04pm CDT

I like the head sculpt. I can't seem to find two pictures that look enough alike for a consensus. But is the spoiler supposed to sit on his chest like that? As it seems to be missing from the prototype.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120255)
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on November 4th, 2021 @ 3:36pm CDT

It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120257)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:20pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:the chest does appear to be mistransformed, you can also compare that to the unpainted sample.

Didn't read that part before... Nevermind.

I know we can't gauge the scale from these images but with the way the wheels sit in his Bot Mode chest, it would suggest he is tiny. I wonder if that will accurately be reflected in the price...

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120258)
Posted by DaveTheRave137 on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:21pm CDT

aa companies greed and jumping on anime aesthetics. “yeah we will make even more money if we take all the anime cues especially what makes the anime flawed”. i used to hate the 80s comics when an artist who clearly out of there depth and could only draw human hands would, make transformers look like people at cosplay in cardboard boxes wearing laytex coloured gloves. Even when they added rings at the joints that didn’t help much. The one thing I loved about the bumblebee movie is that they did how i imagined a robotic face that wad able to convey emotion, with all the small movements a face makes without relying on some liquid metal technology, as the less human the solution looks the better. I still want humanoid form as that is what evolution has designed, aliens will have a similar form to us if they live in an environment which is land based and like us teansformers are social and have similar needs. But constantly making up technologies like batmans utility belt looks wrong, it may wellcome true, but mu head doesnt believe it yet.
I hate these soft human anime faces, why isnt all the body fluid if they have that tech.
Don’t they realise anime form was liked so much becuase, the toy in the box disnt look like what the drawing was telling us it should be.
Now we can have toya that look like the actual no holds barred design. So much so that we have toys that revert to look like an actualy cartoon, now that is a point when anything is possible. So just make the mps look the beat they can be. Give them style, make them look beyond what we imagined, take them to a place where they are still what we recognise, but go forward, don’t make them into something we settled for becuase that was the best we had offered. Look at the anime movie, now that was getting closer to what i was hoping for, and they are using sat morning sketches come on, look at the comics look at what is possible, are they really thinking we would rather that anime style over the rushed budget morning show, those artosts could do better they had a deadline, this is masterpiece, and look at the prices wow

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120260)
Posted by william-james88 on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:34pm CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
william-james88 wrote:the chest does appear to be mistransformed, you can also compare that to the unpainted sample.

Didn't read that part before... Nevermind.

I know we can't gauge the scale from these images but with the way the wheels sit in his Bot Mode chest, it would suggest he is tiny. I wonder if that will accurately be reflected in the price...

He'll be the same price as Bee 2.0

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120261)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2021 @ 4:39pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:He'll be the same price as Bee 2.0

A quick search and that would place MP Cliffjumper between 100-150 (ironically, currency exchange doesn't seem to matter). :shock:

Just when I thought things were starting to settle down again price-wise, with MP Skids.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120268)
Posted by sol magnus on November 4th, 2021 @ 6:27pm CDT

Pretty cool. I'll....wait for the finished issue.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120272)
Posted by Immortal Starscream on November 4th, 2021 @ 7:49pm CDT

Blarg. Sorry, couldn't stand mp bee 2.0, and sadly CJ here falls into that same category. I appreciate what they are trying to do, and clearly I am not their target demographic. Wake me up when they announce the next mp beast wars figure.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120277)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:19am CDT

william-james88 wrote:

Ooof..... Now this time, the scrap-kibble is straight up on the front.
They tried to do this:

But they failed.
Again.

I dread to see the backpack. :SICK:

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120279)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 5:13am CDT

I think the spoiler can be moved upwards to match the cartoon aesthetic, but even if can be, it looks like complete and utter dogsh*t, just like Bumblebee did.

I wouldn't even get the KO of this utter, utter failure of a product.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120281)
Posted by RiddlerJ on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:13am CDT

Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120283)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:31am CDT

RiddlerJ wrote:
Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120284)
Posted by RiddlerJ on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:33am CDT

primalxconvoy wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120285)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:55am CDT

RiddlerJ wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).

If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120288)
Posted by optimeow on November 5th, 2021 @ 8:28am CDT

Wasn't there an issue with the VW licence which caused the so very limited release of Netflix Bumblebee?
(which was the only version of that particular mold)
Someone previously replied to a post of mine saying that PF Bumblebee would be the last release as a VW Beetle.

It seems strange that VW is giving out licences for cars other than the Beetle.
Could that be why we are getting non-realistic vehicle modes for MP on these characters?
Could it also be because VW has stopped producing Beetles altogether? (even the actual cars)

So many questions. So few or no answers to them

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120289)
Posted by sol magnus on November 5th, 2021 @ 8:36am CDT

primalxconvoy wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).

If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile

It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120290)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2021 @ 8:44am CDT

sol magnus wrote:but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120292)
Posted by william-james88 on November 5th, 2021 @ 10:16am CDT

VW owning Porsche is not relevant in terms of licensing. Licensing must ve obtained at the specific companie level. The Porsche license must be obtained individually from Porsche.
That being said, I think the Porsche licence has been aquired since one of the main transformers in the next live action film is a Porsche (but not a guarantee as we saw with Ferrari).

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120305)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:04pm CDT

sol magnus wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).

If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile

It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.

Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120306)
Posted by sol magnus on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:10pm CDT

primalxconvoy wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).

If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile

It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.

Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?

I would've thought the 'stingy with licensing' implication would cover that.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120307)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:13pm CDT

sol magnus wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).

If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile

It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.

Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?

I would've thought the 'stingy with licensing' implication would cover that.

Like I've written/linked to before, RUF have given licences out (to videogames) when Porsche couldn't/wouldn't before.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120308)
Posted by sol magnus on November 5th, 2021 @ 3:16pm CDT

primalxconvoy wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).

If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile

It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.

Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?

I would've thought the 'stingy with licensing' implication would cover that.

Like I've written/linked to before, RUF have given licences out (to videogames) when Porsche couldn't/wouldn't before.

I guess you'd have to ask them. It's definitely frustrating.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120314)
Posted by william-james88 on November 5th, 2021 @ 7:37pm CDT

Still wondering when we'll be seeing MP Hoist/Trailbreaker. Takara said year ago that they were working on them.

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120459)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 7th, 2021 @ 3:21pm CST

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Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120463)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 7th, 2021 @ 3:33pm CST

As usual, miss-transforming for the first reveal gives a bad first impression. This looks relatively acceptable.

Now the dreadful back reveal...
Clean, or kibble cancer? :-?

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2120466)
Posted by primalxconvoy on November 7th, 2021 @ 3:44pm CST

-Kanrabat- wrote:As usual, miss-transforming for the first reveal gives a bad first impression. This looks relatively acceptable.

Now the dreadful back reveal...
Clean, or kibble cancer?

That's the same as, say, YouTubers getting hold of official toys, before they're officially/legally available, and reviewing them. If they point out flaws that are either legitimately present (but might not be so in the official release later on), mistranform the toy, or make errors about the flaws (which don't actually exist), then these can all create a bad first impression.

I suppose the worst case would be in official photos, as arguably, that's what "johnny public" might consider to be the "only" way the product can be (transformed as), which might put off some potential customers?

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2124793)
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 6th, 2022 @ 7:42am CST

Greetings Seibertronians!

With no official word from Takaratomy about Masterpiece Cliffjumper, this next story should be taken with a grain of salt.

The Japanese Transformers fan blog Autobase Aichi has reported on news that was originally found on Chinese social media, that of a comparison between the potential Masterpiece Cliffjumper figure, and the figure it shares parts with, MP-45 Bumblebee.

Check out the images below:

What do you think of this? Is this the Masterpiece Cliffjumper you wanted?

Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!

Re: Prototype Images of Possible Transformers MP Cliffjumper (2124795)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 6th, 2022 @ 8:19am CST

For a line that says "Masterpiece", implying that level of attainment to their design/aesthetic etc. Both can't really be judged as successful in that regard.

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