Size Comparisons of Siege Astrotrain with Siege Optimus Prime and Spinister

To anyone getting him in: comparisons with TR Blitzwing and Octone, or their moldmates Megatron and Optimus Prime please?

In 2024, Leader price tag will be Deluxe sized!

That Astrotrain is way too cool to pass up!

Besides a few characters like Overlord most characters were way to damn big in the leader size class, at least in generations, Titans Return Blaster/Soundwave being an example.

Would people really want a Shockwave or Astrotrain that was way taller then Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave?

The Leader size point also allows them to be less hollow and more solid.

Deadput wrote:Besides a few characters like Overlord most characters were way to damn big in the leader size class, at least in generations, Titans Return Blaster/Soundwave being an example.

Would people really want a Shockwave or Astrotrain that was way taller then Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave?

The Leader size point also allows them to be less hollow and more solid.

I agree on most of your points, but honestly I would've loved an Astrotrain at full leader size. Since he's sometimes a transport unit for the entire Decepticon army I think it would make sense if he was a giant bruiser. I know it wouldn't be accurate to G1 but I like some more exaggerated size differences like MTMTE or Animated characters.

Love Shockwave just how he is, though.

Deadput wrote:Besides a few characters like Overlord most characters were way to damn big in the leader size class, at least in generations, Titans Return Blaster/Soundwave being an example.

Would people really want a Shockwave or Astrotrain that was way taller then Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave?

The Leader size point also allows them to be less hollow and more solid.

I didn't ask for Astrotrain to be a Leader class to begin with. Him and Shockwave are rip offs. I'm sticking with the Takara Legends Astrotrain since Spinister is the only wave 5 figure that stands out in these pictures.

Deadput wrote:Besides a few characters like Overlord most characters were way to damn big in the leader size class, at least in generations, Titans Return Blaster/Soundwave being an example.

Would people really want a Shockwave or Astrotrain that was way taller then Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave?

The Leader size point also allows them to be less hollow and more solid.

It would be nice not to have the hands the size of a toddlers to hold shockwave in gun mode, so if ended up being bigger than megatron I'd be fine with it. Same if they do Galvatron or megatron with his gun mode. Even TR six shot could have done with being a little bit bigger than he was.

The TR soundwave/blaster may be oversized (and look cool in alt mode with titans) but at least its getting value for money instead of being ripped off with siege leaders for the most part price wise.

I love the fact that Hasbro has made such a big deal about keeping characters in scale, though I am not a fan of voyager size figures being leader price points.

that said though, I love shockwave a ton, and astrotrain looks just as fantastic. so much so that I will get him and replace classics astrotrain on my shelf, which is my favorite classics figure, so thats saying something

back to scale however, astrotrain is a character who's scale seemed to fluxuate from episode to episode. like in the episode the god gambit he is huge, sometines shown much bigger then starscream, then in tripple takeover hes the same size as starscream.

this happened with Grimlock a bit too. hell, in season 3 he was the same size as rodimus is some episodes

... and now I want a new grimlock in the same scale as siege jetfire

decepticons are all about as tall as megatron. megatron and optimus were the same size, autobots were all smaller then optimus... yet somehow austobots were also the same size as the decepticons. Mass shifting isn't just for transforming (I know this isn't true across all episodes)

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Why didn't they just sell him as a Voyager class to begin with?.....I may not get him now now...just pass on him like I did Shockwave...I do not feel like paying 50 bucks for a Voyager class with extra parts...just like Shockwave..I feel this is a RIP off....

I guess with his car attachment he's worth the price...but I hate to see how small his bot mode is all the same. I regret Shockwave because I really don't care for his extra parts, so I'll probably be passing on Astro sadly.

Deadput wrote:Besides a few characters like Overlord most characters were way to damn big in the leader size class, at least in generations, Titans Return Blaster/Soundwave being an example.

Those leader class figures werent meant to scale with the others, just with themselves as Budget MPs. But that reminds me, now they all feel ultra redundant since I have MPs anyway, might be time to sell.

I think people are more pissed at the idea that it says leader class and isnt a big toy, regardless if it would scale or not. Might be time to revert back to 5 years ago where there was at most 1 leader class toy a year.

william-james88 wrote:

Deadput wrote:Besides a few characters like Overlord most characters were way to damn big in the leader size class, at least in generations, Titans Return Blaster/Soundwave being an example.

Those leader class figures werent meant to scale with the others, just with themselves as Budget MPs. But that reminds me, now they all feel ultra redundant since I have MPs anyway, might be time to sell.

I think people are more pissed at the idea that it says leader class and isnt a big toy, regardless if it would scale or not. Might be time to revert back to 5 years ago where there was at most 1 leader class toy a year.

I think the 50 price tag is part of the issue as well. For some reason, Magnus and Prime 'feel' like you're getting a 50 toy, whereas Shockwave and Astrotrain don't give that same 'feeling.'

I'm still getting Astrotrain, and what is saving it is that he segues into the next line. I might have to scoop up the Titans Return one to display him with Siege figures. So, I guess win for Hasbro.

$50 was too much, but I really enjoy Shockwave in “Nemesis” mode

FOR ANYONE UNABLE TO ACQUIRE A SMASHDOWN: Fret not, they're being rereleased in Wave 1 of Earthrise according to BBTS.

blackeyedprime wrote:
It would be nice not to have the hands the size of a toddlers to hold shockwave in gun mode, so if ended up being bigger than megatron I'd be fine with it. Same if they do Galvatron or megatron with his gun mode. Even TR six shot could have done with being a little bit bigger than he was.

The TR soundwave/blaster may be oversized (and look cool in alt mode with titans) but at least its getting value for money instead of being ripped off with siege leaders for the most part price wise.

Because value is based on the size of it obviously

That's why phones are the size of laptops right?

I would say that Soundwave and Blaster were not worth the money value because their worse toys then Shockwave, Shockwave's a good toy overall and I got my money's worth from it due to how often I fiddle with the guy as opposed to TR Soundwave who I fiddle with for a few days and put in a tub since there were better figures to not only fiddle with but to scale with my collection.

Deadput wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:
It would be nice not to have the hands the size of a toddlers to hold shockwave in gun mode, so if ended up being bigger than megatron I'd be fine with it. Same if they do Galvatron or megatron with his gun mode. Even TR six shot could have done with being a little bit bigger than he was.

The TR soundwave/blaster may be oversized (and look cool in alt mode with titans) but at least its getting value for money instead of being ripped off with siege leaders for the most part price wise.

Because value is based on the size of it obviously

That's why phones are the size of laptops right?

I would say that Soundwave and Blaster were not worth the money value because their worse toys then Shockwave, Shockwave's a good toy overall and I got my money's worth from it due to how often I fiddle with the guy as opposed to TR Soundwave who I fiddle with for a few days and put in a tub since there were better figures to not only fiddle with but to scale with my collection.

I would actually argue the opposite: I feel like my Blaster and Soundwave were better deals than Shockwave. i love Shockwave, but I think that Blaster and Soundwave were more fun for the buck

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I would actually argue the opposite: I feel like my Blaster and Soundwave were better deals than Shockwave. i love Shockwave, but I think that Blaster and Soundwave were more fun for the buck

I'm just bitter about the whole leader class debate.

I don't care what sorta box they come in, just about the quality of the figure itself, the Shockwave figure is a great representation of him and it's a shame fans write him off because he doesn't tower over the rest of the figures, maybe it would of been better if he was a voyager but honest he probably would of been slightly more hollow and such instead of being a "solid" figure.

It's not like Astrotrain is just the figure, he comes with a bunch of accessories and weapons which I feel makes up for it.

Deadput wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I would actually argue the opposite: I feel like my Blaster and Soundwave were better deals than Shockwave. i love Shockwave, but I think that Blaster and Soundwave were more fun for the buck

I'm just bitter about the whole leader class debate.

I don't care what sorta box they come in, just about the quality of the figure itself, the Shockwave figure is a great representation of him and it's a shame fans write him off because he doesn't tower over the rest of the figures, maybe it would of been better if he was a voyager but honest he probably would of been slightly more hollow and such instead of being a "solid" figure.

It's not like Astrotrain is just the figure, he comes with a bunch of accessories and weapons which I feel makes up for it.

I agree with you on Shockwave. He's totally solid. Voyager sized, but not Voyager quality. I don't regret getting him at all. BEFORE I got him I was wary of the cheap gimmick of extra arms and legs "armor," though.

In this game, it's all about the feelz.

Nemesis Primal wrote:FOR ANYONE UNABLE TO ACQUIRE A SMASHDOWN: Fret not, they're being rereleased in Wave 1 of Earthrise according to BBTS.

I was stoked when I first heard this. Best news out of Earthrise so far

Well...lookie what I found at my local Target. Others have reported online before me today, but I think this is a first, seeing something the same day as someone else's first time sighting. No Mirage or Barricade. I think a scalper must have gotten pretty much all the others. not sure why they left one Impactor behind but oh well...Neat to see.

o.supreme wrote:Well...lookie what I found at my local Target. Others have reported online before me today, but I think this is a first, seeing something the same day as someone else's first time sighting. No Mirage or Barricade. I think a scalper must have gotten pretty much all the others. not sure why they left one Impactor behind but oh well...Neat to see.

Dammit, time to check Targets tomorrow

Right as the 4th quarter of the year begins, the 4th wave of deluxes from Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege arrive at US retail. Fellow Seibertronian O.Supreme found Impactor (Marvel UK version) at Target. There are sightings from several places in the US, all from today. It is $19.99.

o.supreme wrote:Well...lookie what I found at my local Target. Others have reported online before me today, but I think this is a first, seeing something the same day as someone else's first time sighting. No Mirage or Barricade. I think a scalper must have gotten pretty much all the others. not sure why they left one Impactor behind but oh well...Neat to see.

I went out tonight and didn’t find anything. Hopefully the next couple says they get stocked up

Ooh! I thought I got lucky getting Nightbird today at my local overpriced hobby shop. I gotta have dat Impactor.

The have also made it to the UK (amazingly).

I saw Barricade, Mirage and Impactor on the shelf in Smyth's Toys.

Ya'll must be so lucky. My Walmart is still carrying Wave 2 deluxes here. No wave 3. No Battlemasters, I only got Ultimate Grimlock & Megatron from Cyberverse. No Spark Armors. I don't have a Target in my area. I live in Laurel, Mississippi.

My jetfires due this week from Amazon UK, just got shipping notice and the toy colors refraktor is probably my fave siege figure/s so far.

For those wondering about Impactor

Yesterday,10/04/19 Central Target, Omaha NE:
I find Thundercracker on the shelf. I'm excited. I proceed to checkout. After hearing of the Street Date issues, I decide to have good faith and carry on with out an older inventory item to scan in it's place. Self check out computer instantly locks upon scanning. Self checkout attendant comes, enters codes, and says" Sorry. You can't purchase this today!", and abruptly rips the box directly from my hands, and walks away scolding the stock room over her radio. I leave frustrated.

Today,10/05/19 North Target, Omaha Ne:
I find Thundercracker on the shelf. I'm excited. I proceed to checkout. This time I grab a Megatron to use as a scan dummy. I scan Megatron, and the self check out computer instantly locks upon scanning. Self checkout attendant comes, enters codes, and says" Sorry. You can't purchase this today". She then takes Thundercracker and scans him. Same thing. Attendant says with a smile "We could hold this for you until tomorrow". I reply, "Yes, that would be lovely! Thank you.".

Target employees:
A. Learn the fuck to read. If it says don't put it out. Don't!
B. Learn a thing or two from Attendant 2. Smile, be kind, and offer the customer the next viable option.

Thank you Attendant 2. I appreciate you.

Cobotron wrote:Yesterday,10/04/19 Central Target, Omaha NE:
I find Thundercracker on the shelf. I'm excited. I proceed to checkout. After hearing of the Street Date issues, I decide to have good faith and carry on with out an older inventory item to scan in it's place. Self check out computer instantly locks upon scanning. Self checkout attendant comes, enters codes, and says" Sorry. You can't purchase this today!", and abruptly rips the box directly from my hands, and walks away scolding the stock room over her radio. I leave frustrated.

Today,10/05/19 North Target, Omaha Ne:
I find Thundercracker on the shelf. I'm excited. I proceed to checkout. This time I grab a Megatron to use as a scan dummy. I scan Megatron, and the self check out computer instantly locks upon scanning. Self checkout attendant comes, enters codes, and says" Sorry. You can't purchase this today". She then takes Thundercracker and scans him. Same thing. Attendant says with a smile "We could hold this for you until tomorrow". I reply, "Yes, that would be lovely! Thank you.".

Target employees:
A. Learn the **** to read. If it says don't put it out. Don't!
B. Learn a thing or two from Attendant 2. Smile, be kind, and offer the customer the next viable option.

Thank you Attendant 2. I appreciate you.

Something similar to the first instance happened to my friend this week. He went to buy Springer (which I'd already done a week prior at that very Target) but was told he couldn't buy it because of a streetdate issue. Then the next day I went to that Target for some stuff and figured I'd check the Transformers section and Springer was back on the shelf once again

I've never had trouble with street date at Target but I have had trouble with new product not scanning properly because of some problem with the price

Cobotron wrote:Yesterday,10/04/19 Central Target, Omaha NE:
I find Thundercracker on the shelf. I'm excited. I proceed to checkout. After hearing of the Street Date issues, I decide to have good faith and carry on with out an older inventory item to scan in it's place. Self check out computer instantly locks upon scanning. Self checkout attendant comes, enters codes, and says" Sorry. You can't purchase this today!", and abruptly rips the box directly from my hands, and walks away scolding the stock room over her radio. I leave frustrated.

Today,10/05/19 North Target, Omaha Ne:
I find Thundercracker on the shelf. I'm excited. I proceed to checkout. This time I grab a Megatron to use as a scan dummy. I scan Megatron, and the self check out computer instantly locks upon scanning. Self checkout attendant comes, enters codes, and says" Sorry. You can't purchase this today". She then takes Thundercracker and scans him. Same thing. Attendant says with a smile "We could hold this for you until tomorrow". I reply, "Yes, that would be lovely! Thank you.".

Target employees:
A. Learn the **** to read. If it says don't put it out. Don't!
B. Learn a thing or two from Attendant 2. Smile, be kind, and offer the customer the next viable option.

Thank you Attendant 2. I appreciate you.

Exact same thing happened with a cyberverse Scraplet today for me! Except the Target lady was really sweet and entered the price and let me take him.

Target can be a crap shoot sometimes

Yeah, I've found Thundercracker 3 times so far (the third time at the same location as the first, despite the fact I'd already tried and failed to buy it there and I thought they would've put it back in the backroom already), the first time on its own forgetting about potential streetdates, the second time using Megatron as a scan dummy, the third time using Starscream as the scan dummy, and all three times the streetdate prevented me from buying. So... with my experience + Sentinel Primal's friend being unable to buy Springer... did they just outright stop any Siege Voyagers from being sold at all until 10/06????

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Yeah, I've found Thundercracker 3 times so far (the third time at the same location as the first, despite the fact I'd already tried and failed to buy it there and I thought they would've put it back in the backroom already), the first time on its own forgetting about potential streetdates, the second time using Megatron as a scan dummy, the third time using Starscream as the scan dummy, and all three times the streetdate prevented me from buying. So... with my experience + Sentinel Primal's friend being unable to buy Springer... did they just outright stop any Siege Voyagers from being sold at all until 10/06????

Wait, as in Megatron and Starscream wouldn't scan? Because if so, that wouldn't surprise me. They may have seen 10/06 as the release date and someone could have assumed that meant all voyagers weren't releasable until then

Amazon delivered my Mirage today. I am really excited with him. The Bot mode is awesome, I love his blocky but streamlined proportiin, I think he has one of the best weapons loadouts in mainline Siege with a really cool Rocket Launcher, although I do wish it had an articulated handle and could aim up, I like the Transformation and how all the wheels and stuff flip flop places, and despite the caveat that it is a really sucky race car, I like the car mode. To me, it has a lot more in common with a Dragster than the F1 Racer he id trying to mimic, and I almost wish they went more into that motif knowing the comptomises made to the car, but they woulda been lambasted for that too so its a lose-lose. The transparent legs are a thing, buts not overly noticablr bring such a dark colorso I like it.

Flashwave wrote:Amazon delivered my Mirage today. I am really excited with him. The Bot mode is awesome, I love his blocky but streamlined proportiin, I think he has one of the best weapons loadouts in mainline Siege with a really cool Rocket Launcher, although I do wish it had an articulated handle and could aim up, I like the Transformation and how all the wheels and stuff flip flop places, and despite the caveat that it is a really sucky race car, I like the car mode. To me, it has a lot more in common with a Dragster than the F1 Racer he id trying to mimic, and I almost wish they went more into that motif knowing the comptomises made to the car, but they woulda been lambasted for that too so its a lose-lose. The transparent legs are a thing, buts not overly noticablr bring such a dark colorso I like it.

May I ask when you ordered yours?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Flashwave wrote:Amazon delivered my Mirage today. I am really excited with him. The Bot mode is awesome, I love his blocky but streamlined proportiin, I think he has one of the best weapons loadouts in mainline Siege with a really cool Rocket Launcher, although I do wish it had an articulated handle and could aim up, I like the Transformation and how all the wheels and stuff flip flop places, and despite the caveat that it is a really sucky race car, I like the car mode. To me, it has a lot more in common with a Dragster than the F1 Racer he id trying to mimic, and I almost wish they went more into that motif knowing the comptomises made to the car, but they woulda been lambasted for that too so its a lose-lose. The transparent legs are a thing, buts not overly noticablr bring such a dark colorso I like it.

May I ask when you ordered yours?

Long time ago, galaxy far far away?

*checks his order history*

Feb 16 preorder. Is this a new thing? Has he not hit mass circulation yet? Should I be taking pictures and sending it into nees? I bever know when I have sonething early, I am always so far behind usually

Got Barricade in Friday, Mirage in today. Both from Amazon; Barricade ordered recently, Mirage ordered months ago.

triKlops wrote:Got Barricade in Friday, Mirage in today. Both from Amazon; Barricade ordered recently, Mirage ordered months ago.

Aww, I missed him? *Backorders Barricade*

I guess I should mention Walmart shipped me Bluestreak as well though, so I got A Datson this weekend.

Flashwave wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Flashwave wrote:Amazon delivered my Mirage today. I am really excited with him. The Bot mode is awesome, I love his blocky but streamlined proportiin, I think he has one of the best weapons loadouts in mainline Siege with a really cool Rocket Launcher, although I do wish it had an articulated handle and could aim up, I like the Transformation and how all the wheels and stuff flip flop places, and despite the caveat that it is a really sucky race car, I like the car mode. To me, it has a lot more in common with a Dragster than the F1 Racer he id trying to mimic, and I almost wish they went more into that motif knowing the comptomises made to the car, but they woulda been lambasted for that too so its a lose-lose. The transparent legs are a thing, buts not overly noticablr bring such a dark colorso I like it.

May I ask when you ordered yours?

Long time ago, galaxy far far away?

*checks his order history*

Feb 16 preorder. Is this a new thing? Has he not hit mass circulation yet? Should I be taking pictures and sending it into nees? I bever know when I have sonething early, I am always so far behind usually

He's slowly starting to arrive along with Barricade and Impactor, both online and in stores. Of course, depending on what each store has backlogged it may be while before saturation.

Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

This past week at New York Comic-Con, Hasbro had an unboxing event for the remaining Transformers War for Cybertron SIEGE products for Fall 2019. Seibertron.com attended the event and we are now able to share the pictures with all of you. The figures we got to unbox were Leader Class Astrotrain, Voyager Class Apeface, Deluxe Class Spinister and Crosshairs, Battle Masters Rung and Singe, and Micromasters Rumble, Ratbat, Direct-Hit and Power Punch. Some of the highlights are below. You can check out the full gallery of 200 images from the unboxing event in our NYCC 2019 event gallery section or by clicking on any of the images below.

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

The way things are going I'm guessing the third part will be movie based or later meaning a return to Cybertronian/futuristic alt modes. Whether they did Earthrise now or as the third part with some planet hopping in between they were always going to do Earth based line as part of the trilogy. And really, was anyone expecting mini Masterpieces? I'm very happy with the progression of War for Cybertron.

Emerje

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

Nope. I’m super happy. The couple of Seige figures I actually kept for myself are now getting tossed to my kids. I cared very little for siege, and Earthrise is like a breath of fresh air.



That said, if the siege line sold well for Hasbro, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some more of these cybertronian forms showing up later on. Only time will tell, but Hasbro loves money far more than they love consistency.

Emerje wrote:

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

The way things are going I'm guessing the third part will be movie based or later meaning a return to Cybertronian/futuristic alt modes. Whether they did Earthrise now or as the third part with some planet hopping in between they were always going to do Earth based line as part of the trilogy. And really, was anyone expecting mini Masterpieces? I'm very happy with the progression of War for Cybertron.

Emerje

I'm kind of torn on the reveal. The Earthrise figures are phenomenal, but I was expecting the War for Cybertron trilogy to actually take place (at least mostly) on cybertron, during the civil war. I was looking forward to seeing the war more fleshed out and getting those Cybertronian modes everyone was expecting (like Bumblebee's). I also worry that with ER being so staunchly G1 in theme, we won't be getting any more nods to other continuities like Galaxy Upgrade Prime. So, I don't dislike Earthrise in any way, just wish we got more of something different.

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

I’ve mentioned it numerous times before, so many are probably tired of me discussing it - but since you brought it up, yes, I was very disappointed when I found out Earthrise would include yet more 80’s-inspired designs. I was hoping the entire trilogy would include Cybertronian alt modes. I think there is a wealth of opportunity there which needs further exploration.

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

Not really. Feels more like siege was the first episode of the cartoon. Earthrise is the rest of season one and two and part three will be released around the time Unicron is put out and I’m wagering that’s gonna be a heavy season three

Hasbro never said once that intended to do everyone from 84 in siege and I hate to break it to everyone but they’re not going to get everyone else in Earthrise and part three. They will probably complete the 84 cast because there’s only a few left not including all the minibots but dont expect they’re gonna complete casts like 1985. They did 98% of the Decepticons in one line which is great but fairly easy when the Decepticons were half the size the autobots

Yeah, I'm definitely disappointed that it appears to have switched focus to Earth without doing all of the heavy-hitters from the cast. BUT I'm hoping — like with combiners and headmasters — that there will still be some peppered in as the trilogy continues.

While I am excited at how good these earth modes look, it's a tragic missed opportunity that Hasbro apparently skipped the Cybertron modes for Wheeljack, Jazz and Bee. I'm holding out hopes these may show up in a box set or Pulse exclusive or such. (MTMTE box set with conductor rods accessories anyone??)
Seriously — Aside from the tetrajets, those seems like the entire reason you would do a line of Cybertronian vehicles. Everything else would be just icing.

Now I'll be hoping for "mini-masterpieces" for all the major players, though these second season guys are VERY welcome to me. (Not to mention obscure mail order characters. Bravo.) Honestly, anything from the Diaclone toy line being done justice is absolute tops.

Also, the way they are including accessories to give nods to specific episodes — like the skis and blaster for Cliffjumper — is very well thought out. Props.

The playability of blast effects, ramps (for Hoist), and modular accessories — absolutely dynamite. Hasbro is on its A-game.

Any reason why they're using EU packaging for the unboxing (no tm and warning in 26 languages!)?

And I found something interesting: the product codes for the Battle Masters and Apeface are in the same region as the Earthrise Wave 1 codes E71**, while the rest are past that with E82**. Pulled up maybe?