Skids & Mudflap Are Out Of Transformers 3?!

Michael Bay wrote:"The Twins are not back in T3. "

Take one:

Bay tells the truth wrote:"In fact I didn't see any twins in Terminator 3."

Take two:

Bay expands on his statement wrote:"The Twins are not in the back in T3. In fact they will be right in the front and in your face in 3D!"

Take three:

Bay switches it up wrote:"In fact you shall see that they were Soundwave's pawns in the last movie and will now reveals their true selves as Beastbox and Squaktalk"

and the least probable, Take four:

Bay breaks it down wrote:"Look we thought the kids would like them and hook on to them like Bumblebee and whats his name, right, Hot Shot. Instead we ended up with another Jar Jar Binks and Poochie. My bad. Sorry everyone."

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Let's just ignore any news article that quotes Michael Bay.

They really are the TF equivalent of Jar Jar Binks, an abomination that should never have been, maybe that means they will appear, but in some vague cameo style appearance, it's a good question, I suppose we'll just have to wait.

no more skids and mudflap? that right there will make this movie better than the last
and if they trash more smart cars it could help too

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Editor wrote:

Michael Bay wrote:"The Twins are not back in T3. "

Take one:

Bay tells the truth wrote:"In fact I didn't see any twins in Terminator 3."

Take two:

Bay expands on his statement wrote:"The Twins are not in the back in T3. In fact they will be right in the front and in your face in 3D!"

Take three:

Bay switches it up wrote:"In fact you shall see that they were Soundwave's pawns in the last movie and will now reveals their true selves as Beastbox and Squaktalk"

and the least probable, Take four:

Bay breaks it down wrote:"Look we thought the kids would like them and hook on to them like Bumblebee and whats his name, right, Hot Shot. Instead we ended up with another Jar Jar Binks and Poochie. My bad. Sorry everyone."

Hi-larious, man. HI-LARIOUS

Of course they'll be back. If they're not, that'd be like Bay admitting he was wrong to have them in ROTF. And let's face it, that's not gonna happen.

What do you have against Poochie?

This proves that there is a God and he listens.

Zeds wrote:This proves that there is a God and he listens.

Actually there is Michael Bay and he listens.

I liked the twins too. Oh well, I didnt like them enough to put them in a sequel, but I dont think they're as bad as people think.

Well, he forgot about Barricade in ROTF so I guess its possible, but not probable.

Isn't this guy the ONLY source of false info on TF2? And we're believing him now ... why?

I hope they ARE back in.

I mean, seriously, at this point I dine off the delicious fruit of this fandom's angst and I drink deeply from the cup of its tears.

::Off to tape over Beast Wars Season 2 with the Beast Machines final episode::

This is great news!

I felt they ruined ROTF for me.

They'll be in the third movie.

1.) I'll give the naysayers this much credit, when it comes to Bay: He lies his ass off in these misinformation campaigns. And, if he ever does end up telling the truth, it's simply due to a mistake, or miscommunication between him and his people.

2.) People have already sighted them on set (and considering they've shown us video proof of the Smart car being thrown around, why would they lie about the rest of the scene? I mean, c'mon....)

If anything, they might be killed off, early, in the film. Which would explain why he said they're not in the film, but that's all I can think of.

Otherwise, he's just lying through his teeth. Skids and Mudflap will be in 3, in some capacity. How long, where, when, and how remains to be seen, but they'll be there.

Barricade never returning, and never seeing his demise is just a terrible handling of the material, and yet one more I'll give the fans. I used to excuse it away as "Well, it's obvious that we're to assume that he was killed off camera in between movies and there's no point in going back to it, simply to move forward with his story." Not anymore. That's a really bad way to make a movie/story.

I watched the first one again, in Blu-Ray (amazing, btw), and it was just as bad as I remembered, even a bit more so. ROTF still wins it for me.

TF1 is just such a convoluted mess, the camera work still angers me to this day, and the robots were terribly underused. ROTF gave us plenty of robot screen time, more of a story, and even though not everything was explained, or we were expected to make the leap, we were able to do so in a reasonable manner because the second movie was laid out better and avoided being convoluted like the first one.

Too many loose threads to tie up in the first movie, and they weren't handled well. I think they could've focused on Sam meeting the Autobots better, and I think the military presence could've been far more serious. I think it should've been an E.T. meets boy/alien invasion film. It would've had more depth to it, more of a story, and no need for it to be convoluted.

I do like that humanity is telling the Autobots (and all robots, for that matter) to go home in the 3rd one. It's about time we had actual human interaction in this series. I'm glad they're finally getting to it, but I think THREE movies is not only a perfect example of wasted time and wasted chances, but shows that Hollywood can't write a movie to save their souls. They don't know their asses from a hole in the ground.

If they had take the E.T. story and replaced him with giant B.F.G. wielding robots, they could've done far better with the movie(s) than they have. That being said, I still enjoy ROTF. It's just a lot of fun.

Hmmm, I actually liked The Twins....and Jar-Jar actually, never really got all the hate against them.
But seriously:They are really BeastBox and SquawkTalk.
That one was kinda funny....

I don't mind if they bring the Twins back for TF3 so long as, this time around, instead of CAUSING the collateral damage the Twins ARE the collateral damage. The only redeeming point either of them had in TF2 was Mudflap calling Leo a pu**y.

I personally found that pretty stupid....
But Leo WAS horrible, if they're in part 3 I don't care, I'd just like the cooler guys to be focused on, ROTF only focused on them...

Albershide wrote:

Zeds wrote:This proves that there is a God and he listens.

Actually there is Michael Bay and he listens.

Michael Bay is no God.... but he apparently has ears....

zenosaurus_x wrote:I personally found that pretty stupid....
But Leo WAS horrible, if they're in part 3 I don't care, I'd just like the cooler guys to be focused on, ROTF only focused on them...

I did as well so for me to find that to be their only redeeming point lets you know just how much I think the twins sucked. Between them and Leo, the movie was drug down to toilet level humor aimed at a target audience around age 10. Seeing the Twins compressed into 3 X 3 metal cubes would absolutely make my day.

If they just changed the heads, they wouldn't bother me. At least they had some semblance of character.

It's Leo who must go or if he appears in TF 3, he dies horribly in the first scene under the heel of a Decepticon. Preferably alongside the Twins and Ironhide.

Actually, it's only going to be Skids and Mudflap. The movie is going to be them on a cross country trip to help Leo Spitz get laid.

Interupted only periodically with scenes of Sam's mom zonked out on brownies.

RiddlerJ wrote:Actually, it's only going to be Skids and Mudflap. The movie is going to be them on a cross country trip to help Leo Spitz get laid.

Interupted only periodically with scenes of Sam's mom zonked out on brownies.

You, my friend, are a GENIUS a GENIUS!!!! I SOOOOOO want this to be T3's plot now !!!

Oh by the way...last time I think we heard Leo is getting a larger role....
So this means they do NOT have ears and listen to us at all....

Funny if the Twins were the Decepticon Snipers....odd, but....

Anyhow, it kinda sucks to me that they may be gone(I couldn't really tell, this whole thing was confusing...).

They were funny int the 2nd, no doubt about that. I felt the Mudflap should have died when Devastator ate him. That would have been alot better, then in the first 5 minutes of the 3rd movie you have Skids get his face shot off.

or i can just hope in the first 5 minutes they both get killed by Starscream and Thundercracker(Please bring another seeker)

Bay says they're not in so that means they're in. Theres one reason why i wont be seeing this.

GEEWUN wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:Actually, it's only going to be Skids and Mudflap. The movie is going to be them on a cross country trip to help Leo Spitz get laid.

Interupted only periodically with scenes of Sam's mom zonked out on brownies.

You, my friend, are a GENIUS a GENIUS!!!! I SOOOOOO want this to be T3's plot now !!!

Better yet, Leo & Sam's Mom BOTH getting zonked on brownies and waking up in the same bed the next morning, panicking and then driving off (one in Skids, the other in Mudflap) never to be heard from again would have me first in line to see TF3.

I read in one of the comments on the vid that Mudflap is supposed to get his head riped off in the opening scene, then shoved up Skid's ass. That I have to see!

If they were going do this, they might as well had Devastator actually ate them and atleast the people who hated them would gotten something out of it heh. They didn't bother me really, but I'd much rather seen more screen time to Sideswipe or Ironhide in the place of them. (they only had a total of like 6 min. 40 sec.of screen time in 150 mins. ) I suppose the easiest way write them out is say they didn't survive the battle or were sent on some sort of mission in deep space.

Counterpunch wrote:I hope they ARE back in.

I mean, seriously, at this point I dine off the delicious fruit of this fandom's angst and I drink deeply from the cup of its tears.

::Off to tape over Beast Wars Season 2 with the Beast Machines final episode::

Hahaha yes I revel in in a bit myself.

Suuuuure, they won't be in the next movie.





Remember kids:

Chaoslock wrote:Suuuuure, they won't be in the next movie.





Remember kids:

Yup, and you can see the Silver Smart car in the background like the one in the video being tossed =)


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If the Twins are in it, why are they tossing cars?

I for one enjoyed the Twins, they reminded me of the many gangster-wannabes I've met , but I wouldn't mind if they are dropped, as long as something decent takes their place.

Noideaforaname wrote:If the Twins are in it, why are they tossing cars?

Simple. The twins aren't in the movie. Their repaints, however, are. And their repaints' repaints. And if we're REALLY lucky, at the end of the movie a SUPER badass G1-styled ultimate repaint with battle damage and Allspark blue will come crashing in to save the day... then it'll happen again after the credits, but this time WITH A NEW HAT!

Go go Bay/sbro.

Noideaforaname wrote:If the Twins are in it, why are they tossing cars?

From what I've read, the Smart is supposed to be a Decepticon, and they've blasted it, which is why the car's being tossed. Considering it's size, it'd be great to see Frenzy or Rumble in the next film. That car would be the perfect size for one of those little monsters.

Autobot032 wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:If the Twins are in it, why are they tossing cars?

From what I've read, the Smart is supposed to be a Decepticon, and they've blasted it, which is why the car's being tossed. Considering it's size, it'd be great to see Frenzy or Rumble in the next film. That car would be the perfect size for one of those little monsters.

I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing Frenzy again. but Rumble would be cool.

Editor wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:If the Twins are in it, why are they tossing cars?

From what I've read, the Smart is supposed to be a Decepticon, and they've blasted it, which is why the car's being tossed. Considering it's size, it'd be great to see Frenzy or Rumble in the next film. That car would be the perfect size for one of those little monsters.

I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing Frenzy again. but Rumble would be cool.

*facepalms* You're correct. I forgot about Frenzy cutting his own head in two, I was thinking purely G1 with that comment. >_<

Let me correct that. I'd love to see Rumble in the next movie, with his piledrivers a blazin', knockin' the crap out of everything. I'd hope he wouldn't be a throwaway character like Sideways was.

I'm still pissed about his death. He was doing absolutely nothing and was hunted like an animal by an extreme game hunter on steroids and stupidity.

The Autobots were wrong in that one. And I won't be swayed.

Mindmaster wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bwahaha... nice reaction!!! Upset are you? :/

I could care less whether those twins are in the movie or not, but I will laugh so hard if they toss a Smart car in the movie

GEEWUN wrote:

Albershide wrote:

Zeds wrote:This proves that there is a God and he listens.

Actually there is Michael Bay and he listens.

Michael Bay is no God.... but he apparently has ears....

I never said he is God. Just that he listens. I like him but I'm not worshipping him.

Windsweeper wrote:If they just changed the heads, they wouldn't bother me. At least they had some semblance of character.

It's Leo who must go or if he appears in TF 3, he dies horribly in the first scene under the heel of a Decepticon. Preferably alongside the Twins and Ironhide.

I almost totally agree. I still don't understand why their heads were designed like a piece of Salvador Dali artwork.


I don't understand what you have against Ironhide though. So what if he has one heck of a nose!

don't understand what you have against Ironhide though. So what if he has one heck of a nose!

I love Ironhide(both his G1 and movie version, as he rocks, especially in the game as he's one of my favorites.), and I'd hate see him get slagged again. I got alittle worried in revenge of the Fallen when I saw him running on fire on his chest like he'd taken some serious damage with his weapons breaking off after the big bomb hit. Like no, hang in there man. After the 86 film, that's still a sore spot for my inner 6 year old. (such heroic nonsense...NOOOOOOOO!!! *cries as he has a flashback.)

Autobot032 wrote:
The Autobots were wrong in that one. And I won't be swayed.

I agree, Demolishor was actually protecting Decepticons and SideWays was just running! Talk about messed up...

zenosaurus_x wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:
The Autobots were wrong in that one. And I won't be swayed.

I agree, Demolishor was actually protecting Decepticons and SideWays was just running! Talk about messed up...

I disagree. Earth was a no fly zone. They had no business being here. If they didn't wish to be killed they should have stay the heck off our planet. They were here looking for something to aid their cause and ultimately destroy both us and the autobots. They didn't attempt to surrender or ask for parley. Even when Demolisher was defeated he was like, go slag yourself prime.

It would be like members of a known terrorist group getting caught and immediately killed at area 51, or on the lawn of the white house. You don't belong there, and whatever happens is at your own risk. I can't feel sorry for them then. They knew what they were in for when they came to earth.

It wasn't like the autobots were out flying thru space kicking in doors of homes and blowing away hatchings. They were defending their new home. Which by end of the film, everything Prime suspected was proven right....Megatron sure as heck wasn't going stop at 1 alright. The Autobots did nothing wrong.

Good point, one a side note, why did Demolishor even say that? It was rather stupid...

zenosaurus_x wrote:Good point, one a side note, why did Demolishor even say that? It was rather stupid...

yeah he should have kept his mouth shut. I guess he was so bitter about being killed he wanted toss something in the autobots face. Decepticons are known do dumb things for their egos.

Lastjustice wrote:

zenosaurus_x wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:
The Autobots were wrong in that one. And I won't be swayed.

I agree, Demolishor was actually protecting Decepticons and SideWays was just running! Talk about messed up...

I disagree. Earth was a no fly zone. They had no business being here. If they didn't wish to be killed they should have stay the heck off our planet. They were here looking for something to aid their cause and ultimately destroy both us and the autobots. They didn't attempt to surrender or ask for parley. Even when Demolisher was defeated he was like, go slag yourself prime.

It would be like members of a known terrorist group getting caught and immediately killed at area 51, or on the lawn of the white house. You don't belong there, and whatever happens is at your own risk. I can't feel sorry for them then. They knew what they were in for when they came to earth.

It wasn't like the autobots were out flying thru space kicking in doors of homes and blowing away hatchings. They were defending their new home. Which by end of the film, everything Prime suspected was proven right....Megatron sure as heck wasn't going stop at 1 alright. The Autobots did nothing wrong.

The Autobots weren't wrong when it comes to Demolishor, but they were definitely in the wrong with Sideways. Why?

1.) Demolishor did attack and caused destruction, not to mention countless human lives lost, he was a danger and had to be destroyed. Plus his last comment was just a dick move.

2.) Sideways drove away from the fracus, did not attack anyone, did not harm a human, and tried to run in fear. He said nothing, he wasn't given the chance to say anything, and how do we know he was here in a malicious manner? Who are we to say he wasn't here merely for asylum?

We don't know, because he was snubbed out too soon and never given a chance to be fully fleshed out. Yes, it can be assumed that he was there with malicious intent, given what the other Decepticons have done, but considering he ran like a chicken and went out of his way to avoid conflict....I'd say he was hunted and killed mercilessly.

And again, I will not be swayed on this.

And no, I don't take Hasbro's bios on the cards and boxes as golden truth. If it's in the film, it's cannon. I don't look at the video games, bios, or comics as cannon. Until the people behind the movie come out and say "Yeah, it all fits.", then I'm going by what the movie showed me.

And the movie showed me that the Autobots were capable of cold blooded murder.

The Autobots weren't wrong when it comes to Demolishor, but they were definitely in the wrong with Sideways. Why?

2.) Sideways drove away from the fracus, did not attack anyone, did not harm a human, and tried to run in fear. He said nothing, he wasn't given the chance to say anything, and how do we know he was here in a malicious manner? Who are we to say he wasn't here merely for asylum?

Why would be take asylum on a hostile planet? What sense does that make? The Decepticons weren't just chilling begging for energon cubes. They even said during the film, they were looking for something. Which was the key to killing all life on our planet. Sideways smashed thru a house to escape and almost hits a human, and could have easily injured people in the process.(he came really close to killing the guy. He just happened to not hit any doesn't mean he wouldn't. The area was for most part evacuated.

We don't know, because he was snubbed out too soon and never given a chance to be fully fleshed out. Yes, it can be assumed that he was there with malicious intent, given what the other Decepticons have done, but considering he ran like a chicken and went out of his way to avoid conflict....I'd say he was hunted and killed mercilessly.

He wanted to avoid conflict, he should have stayed heck off earth. Like you broke into someone's house to hide out and steal their stuff, then were upset someone shot you for it. You see how asinine that sounds?

And again, I will not be swayed on this.

Because you don't want to acknowledge any potential info that would prove you wrong, it doesn't make you right. If you are going be that hard headed about it, why even post as to have a discussion. You just keep saying it's that way because you say so. Not because you are supporting it with any facts from any source, internal or external.

And no, I don't take Hasbro's bios on the cards and boxes as golden truth. If it's in the film, it's cannon. I don't look at the video games, bios, or comics as cannon. Until the people behind the movie come out and say "Yeah, it all fits.", then I'm going by what the movie showed me.

And the movie showed me that the Autobots were capable of cold blooded murder.

The film showed the Decepticons doing nothing but evil on earth. If he wanted to defect to the autobots, he could have contacted them. Not like they blew away jetfire upon seeing him. They let wheelie join their ranks, so your view isn't holding much water.

Ultimately it always will burn down to the Decepticons don't belong on earth. They can be on any other planet, and the Autobots aren't coming after them. The Autobots are at war, and acted accordingly. It's not murder, it's doing your job when you're a soldier. In this case, a job they needed to be done as the decepticons were two seconds away from ending all life as we know it. They can not afford such hesitation. That gets you killed on the battle field.

This is not G1, stop judging it by Saturday morning cartoon morality. It's portraying it as a war; War is hell. The Decepticons kill without hesitation.(look how much damage Demolisher caused in under a minute.) Besides Wheelie and Jetfire who defected, when did any other Decepticon do anything to suggest they should be given a chance to be reasoned with? I fail understand this sympathy for the devil. (besides being Fans of Sideways.)

He might not been a combatant that moment(starscream opts to flee alot, it doesn't make him harmless.), but he still was aiding their cause. He had to be removed as a potential threat, as wasn't like he was harmless like Wheelie. Sideways might have realized it was a losing proposition to fight being out numbered.

Had it only been the twins fighting, who knows he might have decided to duke it out with them. He didn't stop and put his hands up when they arrived. I seriously doubt the autobots would attacked him if he opted to surrender. He smashed thru buildings and could have easily caused more damage if left alive. What did you really expect them to do with him?

Lastjustice wrote:anger and bitterness towards me for no reason...

What the heck is your problem? It's one thing to argue your point, but you went overboard and ranted to me like a crazy person.

I didn't get rude with you. I mean, wow.

You win. I'm done with this conversation. When you went that far overboard, I realized that anything of worth just went out the window.

And no, don't take this as me giving in and you "winning" the argument. This is me using common sense and avoiding getting warned or reprimanded for utter stupidity by getting angry and replying in kind.

Reel yourself in, pal. Take a chill pill, do something.

I'm done.

Lastjustice wrote:anger and bitterness towards me for no reason...What the heck is your problem? It's one thing to argue your point, but you went overboard and ranted to me like a crazy person.

I did no such thing. I wasn't least bit angry. Go thru my posts, and you'll see tons of really long posts. It's nothing do with you or me being crazy. That's just how I roll.

I like to logically think out my points and explain them in great detail. I'm not sure what's angry or bitter. I just like showing my train of thought clearly, and supporting how I came to the decision I did. Could I say it in fewer words, sure. I'm not going say it's because I said so though and no more.

If you can't handle someone disassembling your train of thought I guess posting on forums isn't the place for you. People are often going disagree with you, and hammer apart what you said. You saying AND I WONT BE SWAYED, is pretty much a calling card for someone to tear apart your post.

I'm sure someone else would done the same if I hadn't for same reason as there's been topics about the autobots brutal that other posters said basically same thing I did there.

I mean were you expecting everyone just jump on board and high five you for that? The point of a discussion is just that, to discussion how you feel or what you think about a particular idea.(I asked you, what could the autobots done differently then, it seems like a valid question if how they handled it in the film was so terrible?) If no one can question your ideas or see how you reach your conclusion then there's no discussion to be had. And that's useless to everyone.