Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno - Ladder Transformation Clip

Looks like another good addition to the Masterpiece line. I wonder when we will get more of the first season Autobots like Jazz, Hound, & Sunstreaker?

Relic0037 wrote:Looks like another good addition to the Masterpiece line. I wonder when we will get more of the first season Autobots like Jazz, Hound, & Sunstreaker?

There are options Foss these out there.

Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.

Black Bumblebee wrote:Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.

Not anymore. Prices have leveled out pretty even, and quality is better in many cases.

Official is just a word that has lost its meaning. Don't let it keep you away from amazing transformer figures.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Black Bumblebee wrote:Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.

Not anymore. Prices have leveled out pretty even, and quality is better in many cases.

Official is just a word that has lost its meaning. Don't let it keep you away from amazing transformer figures.

I appreciate wanting "Official" heck I rely on it that is how I often get 3rd party toys - after the official ones come out the previous 3rd party ones tend to fall off a cliff in terms of pricing.

I expect Maketoys version of Hound will similarly suffer next.

Unless I'm mistaken - and I suspect I am - Isn't the reason most of the currently undone Season 1 bots are undone is because they can't get the licensing for their vehicles yet?
Then again, that doesn't explain Sunstreaker who's vehicle mode is supposed to be the exact same as Sideswipe's.

I was always a little shocked they never made a Sunstreaker. Especially after Wheeljack came out, as Takara, with very little adjustment could probally have made a nice Sunstreaker retool.

Granted, the fan base would have had issues with that, and rightly so, but that has never stopped them before.

I don't think a Wheeljack to Sunstreaker retool would have worked out too well. Maybe for Generations - and, heck, they done that in Combiner Wars - but Masterpiece is supposed to represent the cartoon models to the letter, and Wheeljack and Sunstreaker just look too distinct for that imo.

Plus a new Sunstreaker mold would open up a ton of diaclone repaint possibilities. Which, truth be told, is kind of what I'm starting to get into Masterpiece before. Because I'm a freakin' weirdo.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Black Bumblebee wrote:Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.

Not anymore. Prices have leveled out pretty even, and quality is better in many cases.

Official is just a word that has lost its meaning. Don't let it keep you away from amazing transformer figures.

For some of us official is all that matters. Maybe it's lost meaning to those of you that don't mind owning knockoffs and bootlegs, but to the rest of us it's everything. I'll always support the companies that actually own the licenses over the ones that have stolen the likenesses.

And I don't know what you mean by the quality being "better in many cases", I've yet to see a single knockoff that I thought was superior to a Hasbro Masterpiece. Don't bother listing any to try to prove me wrong, I've seen them all, my opinion stands.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

Black Bumblebee wrote:Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.

Not anymore. Prices have leveled out pretty even, and quality is better in many cases.

Official is just a word that has lost its meaning. Don't let it keep you away from amazing transformer figures.

For some of us official is all that matters. Maybe it's lost meaning to those of you that don't mind owning knockoffs and bootlegs, but to the rest of us it's everything. I'll always support the companies that actually own the licenses over the ones that have stolen the likenesses.

And I don't know what you mean by the quality being "better in many cases", I've yet to see a single knockoff that I thought was superior to a Hasbro Masterpiece. Don't bother listing any to try to prove me wrong, I've seen them all, my opinion stands.

Emerje

They're talking about third parties rather than knockoffs.

I still feel Infernos transformation is some form of dark magic.

Kurona wrote:They're talking about third parties rather than knockoffs.

Third party figures are a kind of knockoffs. They just knockoff visual IP designs rather than physical ones, regardless of how many artistic liberties and/or adjustments they may or may not make to said visual IP designs.

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:They're talking about third parties rather than knockoffs.

Third party figures are a kind of knockoffs. They just knockoff visual IP designs rather than physical ones, regardless of how many artistic liberties and/or adjustments they may or may not make to said visual IP designs.

As far as I knew the definition of a knockoff - at least in the context of Transformers - was to try and replicate an already-existing toy. Third Parties stand distinct from that in that they are completely original toys, just based on existing designs (unless it's something like that fansproject glacialord thing)

Kurona wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:They're talking about third parties rather than knockoffs.

Third party figures are a kind of knockoffs. They just knockoff visual IP designs rather than physical ones, regardless of how many artistic liberties and/or adjustments they may or may not make to said visual IP designs.

As far as I knew the definition of a knockoff - at least in the context of Transformers - was to try and replicate an already-existing toy. Third Parties stand distinct from that in that they are completely original toys, just based on existing designs (unless it's something like that fansproject glacialord thing)

"IP infringing item" would probably be the most apt description for a third party product, and which can also apply to the classic dollar store/outlet store "bootleg" kind of knockoffs.

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:They're talking about third parties rather than knockoffs.

Third party figures are a kind of knockoffs. They just knockoff visual IP designs rather than physical ones, regardless of how many artistic liberties and/or adjustments they may or may not make to said visual IP designs.

As far as I knew the definition of a knockoff - at least in the context of Transformers - was to try and replicate an already-existing toy. Third Parties stand distinct from that in that they are completely original toys, just based on existing designs (unless it's something like that fansproject glacialord thing)

"IP infringing item" would probably be the most apt description for a third party product, and which can also apply to the classic dollar store/outlet store "bootleg" kind of knockoffs.

That's fair, but I still feel there is a clear definition that exists and should be acknowledged - especially as they're two very different things and, in the context of Transformers especially, would be important to not classify as the same thing (though they can come under the same umbrella).

Burn wrote:I still feel Infernos transformation is some form of dark magic.

Heh. I'm a little sad I have to wait till Grapple comes out to experience the "magic".

Not sad enough to actually get Inferno, and set aside Backdraft, but a little sad all the same.

One thing to be sure with MPs, Inferno won't be SHELF WARMING the virtual shelves of online stores like Tracks and Roadrage

This guy is sure gonna be HOT!

Emerje wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

Black Bumblebee wrote:Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.

Not anymore. Prices have leveled out pretty even, and quality is better in many cases.

Official is just a word that has lost its meaning. Don't let it keep you away from amazing transformer figures.

For some of us official is all that matters. Maybe it's lost meaning to those of you that don't mind owning knockoffs and bootlegs, but to the rest of us it's everything. I'll always support the companies that actually own the licenses over the ones that have stolen the likenesses.

And I don't know what you mean by the quality being "better in many cases", I've yet to see a single knockoff that I thought was superior to a Hasbro Masterpiece. Don't bother listing any to try to prove me wrong, I've seen them all, my opinion stands.

Emerje

Agree with you on this. If you want the official owners of the IP to produce what we want, we need to fork out our money to them first. Just imaging buying a 3rd party Fortmax costing like US$1000 when an official would cost only US$100. Same with Devastator. Compare that to the 3rd party ones.

fenrir72 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

Black Bumblebee wrote:Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.

Not anymore. Prices have leveled out pretty even, and quality is better in many cases.

Official is just a word that has lost its meaning. Don't let it keep you away from amazing transformer figures.

For some of us official is all that matters. Maybe it's lost meaning to those of you that don't mind owning knockoffs and bootlegs, but to the rest of us it's everything. I'll always support the companies that actually own the licenses over the ones that have stolen the likenesses.

And I don't know what you mean by the quality being "better in many cases", I've yet to see a single knockoff that I thought was superior to a Hasbro Masterpiece. Don't bother listing any to try to prove me wrong, I've seen them all, my opinion stands.

Emerje

Agree with you on this. If you want the official owners of the IP to produce what we want, we need to fork out our money to them first. Just imaging buying a 3rd party Fortmax costing like US$1000 when an official would cost only US$100. Same with Devastator. Compare that to the 3rd party ones.

even takara's versions seem to run cheaper than third party and most third party figures dont look right in the first place only a very few look so close to masterpiece for example a company called Transform and rollout has a Jazz figure thats sure to make you drool

You know, I TRULY hoped the very blatantly off-topic discussion regarding 3P's and KO's and what not would die on it's own, but I guess not.

So here I am, telling you all now, to keep it about Masterpiece Inferno.

I'm also going to say this, SOME OF YOU SHOULD REALLY KNOW BETTER BY NOW.

Kurona wrote:Unless I'm mistaken - and I suspect I am - Isn't the reason most of the currently undone Season 1 bots are undone is because they can't get the licensing for their vehicles yet?
Then again, that doesn't explain Sunstreaker who's vehicle mode is supposed to be the exact same as Sideswipe's.

Sideswipe is a Lamborgini, Sunstreaker is a SUPER Lamborgini; Tomy only has the license to reproduce the regular Lamborgini. It's worth a note that due to the movie, Hasbro has the Lamborgini license too, but there might be another issue that Sideswipe hasn't been released by Hasbro.

fenrir72 wrote:One thing to be sure with MPs, Inferno won't be SHELF WARMING the virtual shelves of online stores like Tracks and Roadrage

This guy is sure gonna be HOT!

I see what you did there.

I wouldn't bet on it. Every Masterpiece release since MP-25 is still in stock --

http://hlj.com/search/go?utm_source=seibertron.com&af=selectserie ... asterpiece&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=news%20post

Nope, still black magic

"No matter how many times I see it, it's always outrageous..."

camzilla51 wrote:Nope, still black magic

Exactly! There's some strange juju involved there!

Cyberpath wrote:I wouldn't bet on it. Every Masterpiece release since MP-25 is still in stock --

http://hlj.com/search/go?utm_source=seibertron.com&af=selectserie ... asterpiece&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=news%20post

hlj always has overstock

fenrir72 wrote:

Cyberpath wrote:I wouldn't bet on it. Every Masterpiece release since MP-25 is still in stock --

http://hlj.com/search/go?utm_source=seibertron.com&af=selectserie ... asterpiece&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=news%20post

hlj always has overstock

Only since MP-25.

Cyberpath wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Cyberpath wrote:I wouldn't bet on it. Every Masterpiece release since MP-25 is still in stock --

http://hlj.com/search/go?utm_source=seibertron.com&af=selectserie ... asterpiece&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=news%20post

hlj always has overstock

Only since MP-25.

Not just MP. Even in other anime related items. They are the go get to as a last resort if the main heavy hitters amiami and hobbysearch gets sold out. But we might be digressing here.

Shockwave, kinda expensive. The rest, well lucky for those who missed the boat. They better be bought until supply lasts.

fenrir72 wrote:Not just MP. Even in other anime related items. They are the go get to as a last resort if the main heavy hitters amiami and hobbysearch gets sold out. But we might be digressing here.

Shockwave, kinda expensive. The rest, well lucky for those who missed the boat. They better be bought until supply lasts.

I don't know about other anime items, but we're talking about MPs, and those used to sell-out on HLJ until MP-25. Not a concern of mine, just pointing out a fact.

For anyone still on the fence about MP-25 through 31, I wouldn't worry about supply running out yet, none of them are marked "low stock."

btw, avoiding that Inferno video.. I like to leave something for when I have the figures in hand.

Does anyone know if Inferno's original Diaclone (or Microman or whatever he came from) toy had any different colours to his Transformers release? Or Grapple? Because that'd be the one of this mold I'd eventually get. Because again, weird

Yeah, I think the Dia clone was called "Artfire"

Ironhidensh wrote:Yeah, I think the Dia clone was called "Artfire"

Nah, that's the retool they released in Headmasters to fill out the line.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Artfire
And is what I'd fall back on if there's no Diaclone guy. Especially since he'd likely come with a Targetmaster! How cool would that be?!

Kurona wrote:Does anyone know if Inferno's original Diaclone (or Microman or whatever he came from) toy had any different colours to his Transformers release? Or Grapple? Because that'd be the one of this mold I'd eventually get. Because again, weird

Inferno and Grapple kept their Diaclone colors, minus some slightly extra chrome and molded Mitsubishi logos the Diaclone versions had.

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:Does anyone know if Inferno's original Diaclone (or Microman or whatever he came from) toy had any different colours to his Transformers release? Or Grapple? Because that'd be the one of this mold I'd eventually get. Because again, weird

Inferno and Grapple kept their Diaclone colors, minus some slightly extra chrome and molded Mitsubishi logos the Diaclone versions had.

Awww, that's a shame. Artfire or Hauler it is

Inferno was made by witches! He looks so good, if only he was voyager size(for me anyway).

Moonshot wrote:Inferno was made by witches! He looks so good, if only he was voyager size(for me anyway).

What, you don't want a leader fire engine?
At least it's in scale with TR Blaster

Moonshot wrote:Inferno was made by witches! He looks so good, if only he was voyager size(for me anyway).

Just asking but if they, Takara go by the scale of the original Diaclones, and upsize it to todays (i.e.MP scale) it won't fit in a Voyager scale. And, even if at least Takara is following a it of scale to allow interactivity like UM or Optimus carrying the cars inside them, it would look weird for Inferno, a fire truck to be the same size as the cars. And lastly, I don't think Takara can cram it's vodoo magic with his ladder in a Voyager scale.

fenrir72 wrote:

Moonshot wrote:Inferno was made by witches! He looks so good, if only he was voyager size(for me anyway).

Just asking but if they, Takara go by the scale of the original Diaclones, and upsize it to todays (i.e.MP scale) it won't fit in a Voyager scale. And, even if at least Takara is following a it of scale to allow interactivity like UM or Optimus carrying the cars inside them, it would look weird for Inferno, a fire truck to be the same size as the cars. And lastly, I don't think Takara can cram it's vodoo magic with his ladder in a Voyager scale.

I want an Inferno as good as this one in voyager scale because I only collect CHUG. Thats why I put the (for me) at the end, of course it wouldnt work for the masterpiece series.

Burn wrote:I still feel Infernos transformation is some form of dark magic.

I know, right? I've watched that video and it's still unbelievable!

Ironhidensh wrote:Heh. I'm a little sad I have to wait till Grapple comes out to experience the "magic".

Same, I'll stick with Hellfire for Inferno but Grapple looks great!

Just to share, Amazon Japan lists MP Inferno's release date as November 26th, the same day as the next wave of Legends figures. I plan on getting the figure from there since I can (try) to use their free 30 day Amazon Prime trial. Thus far it looks cheaper than getting it from BBTS

If they do a MP Hauler then I hope they're at least nice enough to reissue MP Sunstorm. Plus I imagine MP Hauler would look great with the UW Combaticons.

Emerje

MP-33 Inferno In-hand picture.






Please click below link for full picture review:
http://blacklai1979.blogspot.tw/2016/11/review-transformer-masterpiece-mp-33.html

Inferno is not due till Nov 26. This is possibly a prototype or a sample. The official one has a chromed head-gun.



Anyway, looking away because I wanna leave something for when I get it. :)


Yeah, I think the text confirms this isn't the final product.

End of November hopefully

Fellow Seibertronian blacklai have updated their blog, and shared some images with us here, with a pictorial review of the upcoming Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-33 Inferno! The colours on the figure, however, seem a little off, so this may not be the final product after all - nonetheless, check out below some in-hand shots of the Autobot firetruck, and head here for more!

Ah. I just noticed this on Megatron but I see it's true here too.

The fists/hands are being rounded off, just like they were in the cartoon instead of the squared off style they have been for forever. I actually properly hate that. When did that start?

Big Grim wrote:Ah. I just noticed this on Megatron but I see it's true here too.

The fists/hands are being rounded off, just like they were in the cartoon instead of the squared off style they have been for forever. I actually properly hate that. When did that start?

Looking back it seems to have started with Ironhide.

BTW, BlackLai posted on his blog that these came from Hasbro Taiwan and are unfinished samples rather than final products.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Looking back it seems to have started with Ironhide.

Emerje

So I see from the Galleries. I ain't opened Ironhide or Ratchet yet. They're both on the "Rainy Day Pile".

Big Grim wrote:Ah. I just noticed this on Megatron but I see it's true here too.

The fists/hands are being rounded off, just like they were in the cartoon instead of the squared off style they have been for forever. I actually properly hate that. When did that start?

It is what most fans want for there transformers look more human not alien robotic.,

Maybe third party company will make hands for him didn't happen with iron hide master piece figure

dragons wrote:It is what most fans want for there transformers look more human not alien robotic.

Uh, please don't speak for the fandom. It never works out well. It's what SOME fans want. However, as a collector of Maasterpiece since MP-o1, it's NOT what I want. This over simplification that's been occurring of late is NOT what I want from a line called MASTERPIECE.