Transformers: Bumblebee Movie Producer Explains how the Film is 100% a Prequel and not a Reboot

So... what about all the other stuff that flies in the face of canon?

Or do we just go with the whole 'you couldn't possibly comprehend something so complex' justification (like how Megs needed OP to die and come back with the matrix to wake up Sentinel).

Lucky Logician wrote:So... what about all the other stuff that flies in the face of canon?

Or do we just go with the whole 'you couldn't possibly comprehend something so complex' justification (like how Megs needed OP to die and come back with the matrix to wake up Sentinel).

I still dont know what made Prime so special that only he had the power to kill the fallen. All he did was kick his ass in a fight, only Primes know how to kick and thrown punches?

Anyways, in all honesty the only thing that doesnt work with any explanations is the TLK film but that just means to me that that's the one which is taken out of continuity which I am MORE THAN FINE WITH.

Old Bony is a great Producer, He doesn’t wanna sacrifice any DVD and BluRay sales of the first five movies. By telling everyone its a soft reboot. IMO they should want to distance themselves from the Bay movies. People that absolutely loathed the Micheal Bay movies loved BumbleBee. Regular old casual movie goers.

RodimalToyota wrote:Old Bony is a great Producer, He doesn’t wanna sacrifice any DVD and BluRay sales of the first five movies. By telling everyone its a soft reboot. IMO they should want to distance themselves from the Bay movies. People that absolutely loathed the Micheal Bay movies loved BumbleBee. Regular old casual movie goers.

Wasn't it the regular casual movie goers the ones who made lots of money for the franchise till the last knight? I mean who else would have made revenge all those millions otherwise?

Also I agree with Will, I'm more than happy to loose tlk from the mix and keep the others.

I dunno. Sounds like someone having to tow the company line.

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimalToyota wrote:Old Bony is a great Producer, He doesn’t wanna sacrifice any DVD and BluRay sales of the first five movies. By telling everyone its a soft reboot. IMO they should want to distance themselves from the Bay movies. People that absolutely loathed the Micheal Bay movies loved BumbleBee. Regular old casual movie goers.

Wasn't it the regular casual movie goers the ones who made lots of money for the franchise till the last knight? I mean who else would have made revenge all those millions otherwise?

Also I agree with Will, I'm more than happy to loose tlk from the mix and keep the others.

To be fair we didn't really know Revenge was going to be as "bad" of a film as it was till people watched it for the first time since the 2007 film while not perfect was still viewed in a semi positive light back then, review sites like RT weren't as big back then as they are these days. (Not that it was small but you certainly see more people going to movie review sites first these days more often then the early 2000's, at least that's my experience anyways)

Sadly there is a way to fix the obvious TLK mistakes, they can have WW2 Bumblebee simply be a movie version of Centurion and/or have Burton simply be mental with all the "history" artifacts and posters be photoshopped or commissioned by him, there is nothing saying that those statues of AOE Prime weren't made after that movie since there is a few year timeskip between AOE and TLK.

Can explain things like Hot Shot having a Lambo body in that photo with it simply someone photoshopping an actual photo with Hot Rod, he was hanging around with Burton so he could of had pictures taken of him for such a purpose.

There isn't any obvious dialogue that Bee and Hot Rod know each other which can make the whole Centurion thing work, also Bumblebee doesn't recognize Burton so the latter's claims that he knew the Autobot can be addresed with Burton getting Bee and Centurion confused.

I hope this doesn't happen but there is a way they could make it work. (If your bloody reading this Lorenzo or anyone else involved, do not do this, just reboot please, even if I am a fan of the previous movies I want a new timeline.)

God damn it Lorenzo making this a prequel limits what stories can be told by a huge martian.

You can't have the mass populace finding out about the Transformers because they don't know till 2007 unless you pull off the whole Men In Black mind wipe scene (Or the military nukes the town or executes/silences civilian witnesses.) So that limits where the movie can take place and where the Transformers can be in robot mode.

You have to make Sector 7 the only actual military involved with the Transformers since the most of USA doesn't know anything in 2007 (I think the current President at the time knows about Sector 7 but not that they had Megatron if I remember the film correctly)

You can't have Megatron around on Earth at all which limits his presence to flashbacks and prequels on Cybertron because he's frozen since sometime before 1897 where he was first discovered by Sam's great grandfather and then at Sector 7's base in the 1930's at Hoover Dam (Which was created to keep the Allspark in the first place, and let me remind you that Shatter and Dropkick were inside the base and give full access to all of Sector 7's equipment, there is no logical reason why they did not find out about either the Allspark or Megatron, they were able to detect Bumblebee's signal from Saturn's moon so they must have some good scanners.)

You limit the fates of characters in the films and who can show up, you can't kill certain characters who appear in the other films and character development is wasted on them because they die off later with little characterization which will leave people unsatisfied or dread at the fact that say Jazz is going to die in the first Transformers film anyways so what's the point of giving him any role? Like no fan is going to get invested in them, Bay fan, G1 fan or otherwise.

Ah yeah at some point you need to "upgrade" the characters to Bayverse looks like Starscream has to stop being a Seeker and turn into a dorito at some point or Soundwave becoming vastly different and gaining a new voice.

You put someone new like Bludgeon on Earth and then you got to kill him off because he can't be around by 2007, can't bring in any tech like Space Bridges or Matrix because of the other films.

I'm starting to ramble but my god making this a prequel or at the very least not going into a new direction is absolutely idiotic.

Did The Last Knight not happen or something? Will nothing have been learned?

In all honesty, it doesn't really matter, but for the sake of *geek talk*, there are way to many inconsistencies in ALL the live action movies. I tried to squint and head-canon things for myself, but once I saw the TLK, the damage to the continuity was pretty much irreparable. I'm just glad BB was a decent film, and I dont place it in any context or continuity with any other film. I don't get caught up with what to call it, other than just a "Transformers Film", plain and simple.

The Autobots general unfamiliarity with earth Culture in the first film, to me, pretty much indicates it was supposed to be their first time on Earth. Not sure how you could process that any other way, and that's just scratching the surface. Each successive film presents a problem/problems, and causes a larger contradiction as time goes on.

They just need to stop interviewing this guy. He is not the only one part of the project, and seeing how successful it is, you should just stop trying to make it a Prequel and justifying an even bigger continuity headache.

Just call it a reboot! Let it happen!

o.supreme wrote:In all honesty, it doesn't really matter, but for the sake of *geek talk*, there are way to many inconsistencies in ALL live action movies. I tried to squint and head-canon things for myself, but once I saw the TLK, the damage to the continuity was pretty much irreparable. I'm just glad BB was a decent film, and I dont place it in any context or continuity with any other film. I dont get caught up with what to call it, other than just a "Transformers Film", plain and simple.

I don't care for being super strict to the continuity of things generally even if plot holes bug me, but I don't think that trying to salvage a film franchise that breaks continuity with each film is going to be worth it.

TLK tanked, if that's not a wake up call, then franchise suicide will be the eventual fate, I don't want the Transformers films to just stop for a long time because stubborn people don't try to fix their mistakes.

Are any of us going to be invested as much when a reboot is announced 10 years later? G1 will be even older at that point and the 80's folks will be much older then so your losing the prime opportunity to draw in those people, who's going to care for Transformers at 50 or 60 years old?

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:They just need to stop interviewing this guy. He is not the only one part of the project, and seeing how successful it is, you should just stop trying to make it a Prequel and justifying an even bigger continuity headache.

Just call it a reboot! Let it happen!

This is the same guy who tried to sabotage Peter Cullen's audition for the 2007 film and in general has a major need to attempt to avoid anything from the G1 era.

He's got a bigger ego about the film franchise than Micheal Bay, and I don't think the latter's ego was that much of a problem most of the time.

I will always blame this guy mostly for the previous 5 movie's shortcomings, mostly TLK since he's the one who decided to combine a bunch of separate scripts into one movie. (Aoe Sequel, Knights, WW2, Refugee stuff with Canopy and Izabella)

Deadput wrote:who's going to care for Transformers at 50 or 60 years old?

Original Star Trek fans are still very much into their *Trek* despite all the reboots and re-imaginings. They hold those original 3 TV seasons and 6 theatrical films as *gold*. If I'm still alive in another 10-20 years, I'll still be into Transformers. Even if the brand is ruined by horrible changes, that doesn't undo the original toys and show I grew up enjoying.

o.supreme wrote:

Deadput wrote:who's going to care for Transformers at 50 or 60 years old?

Original Star Trek fans are still very much into their *Trek* despite all the reboots and re-imaginings. They hold those original 3 TV seasons and 6 theatrical films as *gold*. If I'm still alive in another 10-20 years, I'll still be into Transformers. Even if the brand is ruined by horrible changes, that doesn't undo the original toys and show I grew up enjoying.

True I said that without thinking about other franchises, I mostly meant that because Transformers is a mostly kid's franchise, more so then Star Trek or Star Wars and people tend to out grow things...sometimes.

Since Earth has that point of view that your a man child if you still "play with toys" and that kind of thing.

Deadput wrote:

o.supreme wrote:In all honesty, it doesn't really matter, but for the sake of *geek talk*, there are way to many inconsistencies in ALL live action movies. I tried to squint and head-canon things for myself, but once I saw the TLK, the damage to the continuity was pretty much irreparable. I'm just glad BB was a decent film, and I dont place it in any context or continuity with any other film. I dont get caught up with what to call it, other than just a "Transformers Film", plain and simple.

I don't care for being super strict to the continuity of things generally even if plot holes bug me, but I don't think that trying to salvage a film franchise that breaks continuity with each film is going to be worth it.

TLK tanked, if that's not a wake up call, then franchise suicide will be the eventual fate, I don't want the Transformers films to just stop for a long time because stubborn people don't try to fix their mistakes.

Are any of us going to be invested as much when a reboot is announced 10 years later? G1 will be even older at that point and the 80's folks will be much older then so your losing the prime opportunity to draw in those people, who's going to care for Transformers at 50 or 60 years old?

To be fair, to get my interest, they just have to say no G1 or just say we're doing beast wars. They do that and I'm there. Also, I expect a new tf reboot in the next 6 years, and to be integrated with their hasbro movie verse they want, gi Joe vs the Transformers (though we know how it plays out and despite the beginning of the film, it's Joe's and Autobots vs Cobra and cons at the end)

Personally I believe the tf franchise needs to keep looking forward instead of constantly going back to the past, there will be a time when that tactic fails... Then what do you do...

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:They just need to stop interviewing this guy. He is not the only one part of the project, and seeing how successful it is, you should just stop trying to make it a Prequel and justifying an even bigger continuity headache.

Just call it a reboot! Let it happen!

Very much this. Since when are Producers ever the people who have any clue?

Kevin Feige is literally the only Hollywood producer without his head up his own ass.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:They just need to stop interviewing this guy. He is not the only one part of the project, and seeing how successful it is, you should just stop trying to make it a Prequel and justifying an even bigger continuity headache.

Just call it a reboot! Let it happen!

Very much this. Since when are Producers ever the people who have any clue?

Kevin Feige is literally the only Hollywood producer without his head up his own ass.

Honestly, this deserves to be a reboot. It deserves to have its own future ahead of it.

Also, I cannot fathom Bee never seeing Charlie again. Or the thought of Charlie dying in DotM or TLK during massive attacks.

Bring them back and keep them back, outside of the other 5 movies. I enjoyed those 5 movies, but let this stand alone in a new universe.

Please.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Also, I cannot fathom Bee never seeing Charlie again. Or the thought of Charlie dying in DotM or TLK during massive attacks.

Isn't the San Francisco area (which is where Brighton Falls seems to be near to), like, never attacked in any of the five main movies? If so, I think the Watsons and Memo might be okay.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Also, I cannot fathom Bee never seeing Charlie again. Or the thought of Charlie dying in DotM or TLK during massive attacks.

Isn't the San Francisco area (which is where Brighton Falls seems to be near to), like, never attacked in any of the five main movies? If so, I think the Watsons and Memo might be okay.

It wasn't, but who knows what Bay had destroyed during TLK when Cybertron struck, or where they could have moved to

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Also, I cannot fathom Bee never seeing Charlie again. Or the thought of Charlie dying in DotM or TLK during massive attacks.

Isn't the San Francisco area (which is where Brighton Falls seems to be near to), like, never attacked in any of the five main movies? If so, I think the Watsons and Memo might be okay.

It wasn't, but who knows what Bay had destroyed during TLK when Cybertron struck, or where they could have moved to

Until we get any confirmation, I'm sticking to thinking that the Bumblebee movie just swept TLK under the rug, wanting us to pretend it didn't happen.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Also, I cannot fathom Bee never seeing Charlie again. Or the thought of Charlie dying in DotM or TLK during massive attacks.

Isn't the San Francisco area (which is where Brighton Falls seems to be near to), like, never attacked in any of the five main movies? If so, I think the Watsons and Memo might be okay.

It wasn't, but who knows what Bay had destroyed during TLK when Cybertron struck, or where they could have moved to

Until we get any confirmation, I'm sticking to thinking that the Bumblebee movie just swept TLK under the rug, wanting us to pretend it didn't happen.

And I'm just gonna keep thinking Bee is in an alternate universe where life is far better and he and Charlie reunite

... So... Prime's logic was, leave the planet, go back, and then leave for the exact same reason... Is that what he's saying? Cause that's entirely stupid, and not even Bayverse Prime was that stupid. Stupid enough to continue talking to Sam after RotF, but not so stupid that he would waste time, energy, and potentially lives on that stupid of a plan

Sentinel_Primal wrote:... So... Prime's logic was, leave the planet, go back, and then leave for the exact same reason... Is that what he's saying? Cause that's entirely stupid, and not even Bayverse Prime was that stupid. Stupid enough to continue talking to Sam after RotF, but not so stupid that he would waste time, energy, and potentially lives on that stupid of a plan

The Autobots left Cybertron in Bumblebee because they couldn't win against the Decepticons and needed to regroup and establish a new base elsewhere. Optimus chose Earth and sent Bumblebee there in advance of the others. The AllSpark had nothing to do with the events of the Bumblebee movie.

Lorenzo doesn't say that they go back to Cybertron later, just that they go "back out", as in back out into space. They leave Earth for whatever reason. Maybe they leave Earth because they decide to go looking for the AllSpark, not knowing that it was on Earth all along. So they leave to go look for it, with Bumblebee staying behind just in case. And that "just in case" proves to be correct when he discovers that the AllSpark is serendipitously on the very same planet that Optimus had sent him to back in 1987, so he calls Optimus and the others back to Earth when he discovers this news years later in 2007.

RodimalToyota wrote:Old Bony is a great Producer, He doesn’t wanna sacrifice any DVD and BluRay sales of the first five movies. By telling everyone its a soft reboot. IMO they should want to distance themselves from the Bay movies. People that absolutely loathed the Micheal Bay movies loved BumbleBee. Regular old casual movie goers.

Sadly, the numbers show that the regular casual audience didnt watch this film.

o.supreme wrote:

Deadput wrote:who's going to care for Transformers at 50 or 60 years old?

Original Star Trek fans are still very much into their *Trek* despite all the reboots and re-imaginings. They hold those original 3 TV seasons and 6 theatrical films as *gold*.

Even Star Trek V?

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Thanks for clearing that up, Lorenzo. It’s nice to know that you and other Hollywood types totally and completely understand how a movie is perceived by fans. Now I question why I questioned the continuity in the first place. But now it all makes sense.

The above quote was 100% sarcastic.

When i read this interview i was all giddy that I could actually use 100% in the title.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Also, I cannot fathom Bee never seeing Charlie again. Or the thought of Charlie dying in DotM or TLK during massive attacks.

Isn't the San Francisco area (which is where Brighton Falls seems to be near to), like, never attacked in any of the five main movies? If so, I think the Watsons and Memo might be okay.

It wasn't, but who knows what Bay had destroyed during TLK when Cybertron struck, or where they could have moved to

Until we get any confirmation, I'm sticking to thinking that the Bumblebee movie just swept TLK under the rug, wanting us to pretend it didn't happen.

Agreed, it also fits with Lorenzo literally pretending Unicron didnt happen.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Deadput wrote:who's going to care for Transformers at 50 or 60 years old?

Original Star Trek fans are still very much into their *Trek* despite all the reboots and re-imaginings. They hold those original 3 TV seasons and 6 theatrical films as *gold*.

Even Star Trek V?

Or Star Trek: The Slow Motion Picture?

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Deadput wrote:who's going to care for Transformers at 50 or 60 years old?

Original Star Trek fans are still very much into their *Trek* despite all the reboots and re-imaginings. They hold those original 3 TV seasons and 6 theatrical films as *gold*.

Even Star Trek V?

Or Star Trek: The Slow Motion Picture?

Oh that one has its fans, trust me. It is quite loved, especially for how daring it was to go that route in the midst of star wars madness.

When they remade/copied Star Wars episode IV & called it The Force Awakens people were pissed & hated it. When they remade/copied the 2007 Transformers movie & called it Bumblebee everybody loved it.

Aimless Misfire wrote:When they remade/copied Star Wars episode IV & called it The Force Awakens people were pissed & hated it. When they remade/copied the 2007 Transformers movie & called it Bumblebee everybody loved it.

Besides the kid and their car part Bee and 2007 are vastly different in plot progression and character, and even the bid and car part turn out differently.

As for Star Wars people hated the prequel Star Wars movies what the hell else would people directing the next Star Wars film realistically have done? The actual plot points copy a lot from the first Star Wars film step by step.

Perhaps people didn't like Force Awakens because it was a "bad film", Bumblebee is a good film despite similarities to the 2007 film.


Final battle in Bumblebee is different from the 2007 film, the beginning was different from 2007 film and so on.

Taking inspiration from other parts from the franchise isn't the same thing as copying the exact same story progression but tweaking a few things.

Deadput wrote:God damn it Lorenzo making this a prequel limits what stories can be told by a huge martian.

You can't have the mass populace finding out about the Transformers because they don't know till 2007 unless you pull off the whole Men In Black mind wipe scene (Or the military nukes the town or executes/silences civilian witnesses.) So that limits where the movie can take place and where the Transformers can be in robot mode.

You have to make Sector 7 the only actual military involved with the Transformers since the most of USA doesn't know anything in 2007 (I think the current President at the time knows about Sector 7 but not that they had Megatron if I remember the film correctly)

You can't have Megatron around on Earth at all which limits his presence to flashbacks and prequels on Cybertron because he's frozen since sometime before 1897 where he was first discovered by Sam's great grandfather and then at Sector 7's base in the 1930's at Hoover Dam (Which was created to keep the Allspark in the first place, and let me remind you that Shatter and Dropkick were inside the base and give full access to all of Sector 7's equipment, there is no logical reason why they did not find out about either the Allspark or Megatron, they were able to detect Bumblebee's signal from Saturn's moon so they must have some good scanners.)

You limit the fates of characters in the films and who can show up, you can't kill certain characters who appear in the other films and character development is wasted on them because they die off later with little characterization which will leave people unsatisfied or dread at the fact that say Jazz is going to die in the first Transformers film anyways so what's the point of giving him any role? Like no fan is going to get invested in them, Bay fan, G1 fan or otherwise.

Ah yeah at some point you need to "upgrade" the characters to Bayverse looks like Starscream has to stop being a Seeker and turn into a dorito at some point or Soundwave becoming vastly different and gaining a new voice.

You put someone new like Bludgeon on Earth and then you got to kill him off because he can't be around by 2007, can't bring in any tech like Space Bridges or Matrix because of the other films.

I'm starting to ramble but my god making this a prequel or at the very least not going into a new direction is absolutely idiotic.

Did The Last Knight not happen or something? Will nothing have been learned?

Sometimes I think Lorenzo's pride gets in the way of the brand. Either that or he's an absolute idiot, but I doubt that.

Basically, I 100% agree. It really ticks me off knowing what Travis Knight intended, and yet Lorenzo if forcing the whole round peg of this movie into the square hole of the last five. Eventually the entire brand will just shatter.

Frankly, I think if Lorenzo were taken out of the picture for next entries, the whole thing would ignore the last movies. But you know Paramount cares more about avoiding temporary risks than giving themselves more wiggle room for later. Idunno, I really enjoyed Bumblebee, but what Lorenzo is trying to do with it really pisses me off frankly. There's literally nowhere else to go that people would enjoy fully as prequels. It's just ridiculous. If the next movies try to tie themselves in more, I'm gonna be seriously disappointed, because they're basically setting themselves up for a boring bomb again.

Wasnt it already established that this is a retcon & not a reboot? I finally got around to seeing it and this movie retcons alot of stuff in the previous movies, and it cant be explained away by saying they left then came back especially the WWII stuff. Now i know the movies are a mess when it comes to continuity but even taking that into account theres no way bumblebee is a 100% prequel.

Actually, I would've been fine if it's a reboot or just a fun solo film now.

For the past five films, I've (verily and) easily forgo the continuity inconsistencies due to its visual direction consistency. Bumblebee's G1 direction just killed it for me personally. The characters of the past five films looks consistent and I see as each new movie a new chapter/adventure for them. The mythological aspect is pretty awesome and bring something new to the table (for me). With the characters looking G1 now. They totally seem like different characters now. And with that already in my mind, all the continuity inconsistencies for Bumblebee just became completely blatant.

Of course aside from the G1 visuals. There's also the WWII inconsistency that heavily bugs me. Had these two issues not been there, it'll be quite a cool film personally. I actually left the theater (after watching) feeling that the previous five films is far more superior than this as I did not get the awesome mind-blowing feeling like I did after watching TLK and the others.

So yeah, I guess in my mind this film doesn't exist in the Bayverse and will be as a completely separate film/alternate reality.

Deadput wrote:

Aimless Misfire wrote:When they remade/copied Star Wars episode IV & called it The Force Awakens people were pissed & hated it. When they remade/copied the 2007 Transformers movie & called it Bumblebee everybody loved it.

Besides the kid and their car part Bee and 2007 are vastly different in plot progression and character, and even the bid and car part turn out differently.

As for Star Wars people hated the prequel Star Wars movies what the hell else would people directing the next Star Wars film realistically have done? The actual plot points copy a lot from the first Star Wars film step by step.

Perhaps people didn't like Force Awakens because it was a "bad film", Bumblebee is a good film despite similarities to the 2007 film.


Final battle in Bumblebee is different from the 2007 film, the beginning was different from 2007 film and so on.

Taking inspiration from other parts from the franchise isn't the same thing as copying the exact same story progression but tweaking a few things.

I quite like the Force Awakens and so did Harrison Ford as it finally got him what he wanted ever since he found out about Return of the Jedi But you say it copies plot points from a new hope but that's not true as its really just copying from the same source material as a new hope and many, many, many other stories in the first place: A Hero's Journey. The archetype of different myths and legends from across the world. It's a template writers use, and it would appear that Bumblebee's writers used as well.

I agree that it looks like tlk is being ignored by all which is pretty awesome, I wonder if Bay himself pretends it never happened now.

Gods damnit.



I f%^&*$ hate that Lorenzo guy. Only thing I've read and heard that he activly sabotages the Transformers brand on the big screen.

This is terrible news. So Bumblebee got okay to good reviews, next thing we get is Bay returning to the Franchise with Bumblebee 2 set in World War 2 with girl asses, toilet humor, G1 characters being torn to shreds (litteraly and figuretivly).

I hate this sh*t man, as soon as we get a good Transformers movie, the assholes see money and want their franchise back to ram it in the ground once again.

Well, at least we got 1 good Transformers movie.

I doubt bay will be back in a hurry, unless paramount wrote him a massive cheque but then that would just make it harder to get the money back... So no Bay will just stick to being a producer.

Remind me, my fellow oldtimer seibertronians, is Lorenzo the jackass who showed up on the fan forums back in '05 or '06 to 'chat up the fans about the movie', acting like he knew everything about Transformers, then when corrected, threw hissy fits and caused problems?




Anyway, I have zero fucks to give about what this dude says. Bumblebee was a reboot, and I will probably never watch one of the bay films again*, since now we have a real Transformers live action movie.




*might grant exceptions to the first one and DotM, but RotF, AOE, and especially TLK can all burn and rot in hell.

I see Lorenzo listens to the Twincast. Thanks guy

Ironhidensh wrote:Remind me, my fellow oldtimer seibertronians, is Lorenzo the jackass who showed up on the fan forums back in '05 or '06 to 'chat up the fans about the movie', acting like he knew everything about Transformers, then when corrected, threw hissy fits and caused problems?

That was Don Murphy. We should word filter his name to return "Chuckles Georgeson" or something silly.

When I saw producer I thought it was Bay supporting his junk but I was wrong.

It does seem like a company answer cause they dont eant to discredit the bayformers.

But after watching it its more than a little obvious its a reboot of sorts cause of all the plot differences and inconsistencies.

Plus if Prime was in the form he was in at the end why would he turn into the rig?? Also why would they look more 'organic'on earth than they did on Cybertron. They transform their alt modes not their physicality

Ironhidensh wrote:might grant exceptions to the first one and DotM, but RotF, AoE, and TLK can all burn and rot in Hell.

This is my thought exactly. DOTM actually fixed a lot of my problems with ROTF, and then they all went and fucked everything right in the ass on AOE.

ScottyP wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Remind me, my fellow oldtimer seibertronians, is Lorenzo the jackass who showed up on the fan forums back in '05 or '06 to 'chat up the fans about the movie', acting like he knew everything about Transformers, then when corrected, threw hissy fits and caused problems?

That was Don Murphy. We should word filter his name to return "Chuckles Georgeson" or something silly.

Why don’t we do this kind of thing more often?

*EDIT* I just read up on this guy, and GOD DAMN.

ScottyP wrote:I see Lorenzo listens to the Twincast. Thanks guy

You just Know good ol’ LdB is sitting there saying “I’m not your guy, friend!”

Dannshinigami wrote:When I saw producer I thought it was Bay supporting his junk but I was wrong.

It does seem like a company answer cause they dont eant to discredit the bayformers.

But after watching it its more than a little obvious its a reboot of sorts cause of all the plot differences and inconsistencies.

Plus if Prime was in the form he was in at the end why would he turn into the rig?? Also why would they look more 'organic'on earth than they did on Cybertron. They transform their alt modes not their physicality

Why did Prime look different in each Alligned franchise basically the styles are the least of the problems of the continuity. Again though a reboot is still coming for the tf franchise.

For all the good he's done with Bumblebee, I don't know why he CAN'T just say it's a soft reboot and leave it at that. It actually would be GOOD for the franchise if that were the case.

This is an odd thing for the production company to dig their heels in about, because continuity was one of the things these films have always done poorly. Once we got to the third film (which, frankly, was one of my favorites), it was blatantly obvious that nobody making these things cared that much about the overarching story being told. They're much more enjoyable as individual units than as a saga of any kind.

I work at a network TV affiliate, and it's clear to me that the producers of the local newscasts aren't paying very much attention to their final product, despite the amount of work they put into it. Perhaps movie producers have the same attitude.

Glarryg

So according to the previous live action movies, Transformers were here since medieval times (including Bumblebee), but the "prequel" shows Bumblebee as the first to arrive in the 70s.

They need to just admit it's a soft reboot and move on in the new, better, style of Bumblebee.
Also maybe the studio people doing PR should be limited to people who know about, and actually like, the Transformers franchise as a whole.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Deadput wrote:who's going to care for Transformers at 50 or 60 years old?

Original Star Trek fans are still very much into their *Trek* despite all the reboots and re-imaginings. They hold those original 3 TV seasons and 6 theatrical films as *gold*.

Even Star Trek V?

Or Star Trek: The Slow Motion Picture?

Yep. They are all part of the "sacred texts" . Seriously though, I guess that's another thing we have in common with Trek fans now. Both Trek & TF have a 5th film that's regarded pretty universally as The Worst of the franchise.

Kyleor wrote:So according to the previous live action movies, Transformers were here since medieval times (including Bumblebee), but the "prequel" shows Bumblebee as the first to arrive in the 70s.

1) 1987
2) No, Bee was not in medieval times in TLK, those were the Guardian Knights. Bee was in WWII in that movie.
3) TLK made no sense to begin with, so this movie writing it out only improves things.

Exactly, tlk being the only one ignored is great news for the other films. They won't admit its a soft reboot, as its not, the script was written as a prequel from the get go. One of the biggest things is the style change but that was all Travis Knight and a late addition to the movie.

Even if TLK is "left out" (timeline contrivance). There are still continuity errors in films 1-4 & BB as a prequel that would not make sense.

o.supreme wrote:Even if TLK is "left out" (timeline contrivance). There are still continuity errors in films 1-4 & BB as a prequel that would not make sense.

None worse than any of the continuity issues that were had between the first five films.

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Even if TLK is "left out" (timeline contrivance). There are still continuity errors in films 1-4 & BB as a prequel that would not make sense.

None worse than any of the continuity issues that were had between the first five films.

I think we just said the same thing...

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Even if TLK is "left out" (timeline contrivance). There are still continuity errors in films 1-4 & BB as a prequel that would not make sense.

None worse than any of the continuity issues that were had between the first five films.

I think we just said the same thing...

I thought you were singling out BB's issues from those of Movies 1-4 in your post.