Transformers Bumblebee Opens in Third Place in Opening Weekend

As I expected, the one which seem to be the best one yet by a wide margin (haven't seen it yet)...is sadly most likely suffering from franchise fatigue and people not wanting to see it after getting tired of five boring and terrible movies. I expect it to be the last Transformers movie.

Skritz wrote:As I expected, the one which seem to be the best one yet by a wide margin (haven't seen it yet)...is sadly most likely suffering from franchise fatigue and people not wanting to see it after getting tired of five boring and terrible movies. I expect it to be the last Transformers movie.

For now maybe, but Hollywood reboots everything after a while. What version of Batman are we on now?

Hell, it's behind a sequel to a movie that came out in 1964.

RiddlerJ wrote:

Skritz wrote:As I expected, the one which seem to be the best one yet by a wide margin (haven't seen it yet)...is sadly most likely suffering from franchise fatigue and people not wanting to see it after getting tired of five boring and terrible movies. I expect it to be the last Transformers movie.

For now maybe, but Hollywood reboots everything after a while. What version of Batman are we on now?

Hell, it's behind a sequel to a movie that came out in 1964.

we also already know they were planning a reboot of transformers in 2022-2023. I agree, fatigue is a possibility. but most people I knew either wanted to see aquaman or marry poppins too, and aren't keen on seeing more then 1 movie in a given week. my family all chose marry poppins (I feel it should be the one getting the lower score on rotten tomatoes, not aquaman), while all my friends saw Aquaman, because its showtimes were earlier. I still have high hopes for bumblebee though, because hasbro needs to see this formula works, so they can get rid of the previous transformers movie checklist and move forward into good movies.

Immortal Starscream wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

Skritz wrote:As I expected, the one which seem to be the best one yet by a wide margin (haven't seen it yet)...is sadly most likely suffering from franchise fatigue and people not wanting to see it after getting tired of five boring and terrible movies. I expect it to be the last Transformers movie.

For now maybe, but Hollywood reboots everything after a while. What version of Batman are we on now?

Hell, it's behind a sequel to a movie that came out in 1964.

. I agree, fatigue is a possibility. but most people I knew either wanted to see aquaman or marry poppins too, and aren't keen on seeing more then 1 movie in a given week. my family all chose marry poppins, while all my friends saw Aquaman, because its showtimes were earlier.

I think honestly that's the most important point about the bumblebee movie. Currently it's a critical darling, from professionals, armchair critics, and long time TF fans; the issue is those are people who would have seen it anyway. Critics will see it because that's their profession or hobby and the latter applies to fans. Aquaman and Mary Poppins are "safe" movies comparatively speaking. The average movie goer is sandwiched between three movies this December considering theres no Star Wars to scare the studios from releasing anything for a month. Marry Poppins is a big lavish flamboyant Disney Family film for the whole family, Aquaman is a big budget superhero movie that also has a broad market appeal for both hardcore comic fans and general audiences. Bumblebee is left as an odd child out all things considered. Not exactly squeaky clean family fun or a "Mature comic book movie". If anything I'm willing to say if bumblebee stays at a solid 3rd place that might still be a win for paramount, and theres a good chance that bumblebees going to be a sleeper hit that blows up with home video.

Don't forget that these figures for Bumblebee are domestic only, it still has other places to open...like China, which is where Aquaman got a huge boost.

I wonder if they're kicking themselves for not sticking with their original release plan and just gone up against the abysmal Solo movie?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:I wonder if they're kicking themselves for not sticking with their original release plan and just gone up against the abysmal Solo movie?

Emerje

Ah the beauty of hindsight If it did, I'd be watching the Blu-Ray now! I think Bee will see a lot of home sales, I wonder how the toyline is faring

Skritz wrote:As I expected, the one which seem to be the best one yet by a wide margin (haven't seen it yet)...is sadly most likely suffering from franchise fatigue and people not wanting to see it after getting tired of five boring and terrible movies. I expect it to be the last Transformers movie.

If that’s true explain comic book marvel movies always become successful Spider-Man had many reboots Spider-Man homecoming and Spider-Man into verse was number one at Time franchise fatiague has nothing do with it maybe old fans on these sites should try something talk to new transformer fans my cousin like it but he expected more action he does not watch cartoons he does read comics but he does like transformers movies yeah prime in end in his truck mode look very cartoony I never saw red semi truck in my life driving on road but movie was good talk to new fans you be surprise what answer you get from somebody do so

dragons wrote:

Skritz wrote:As I expected, the one which seem to be the best one yet by a wide margin (haven't seen it yet)...is sadly most likely suffering from franchise fatigue and people not wanting to see it after getting tired of five boring and terrible movies. I expect it to be the last Transformers movie.

If that’s true explain comic book marvel movies always become successful Spider-Man had many reboots Spider-Man homecoming and Spider-Man into verse was number one at Time franchise fatiague has nothing do with it maybe old fans on these sites should try something talk to new transformer fans my cousin like it but he expected more action he does not watch cartoons he does read comics but he does like transformers movies yeah prime in end in his truck mode look very cartoony I never saw red semi truck in my life driving on road but movie was good talk to new fans you be surprise what answer you get from somebody do so

Well Transformers isn't Spider man.

I fully expect Spider man alone to out live Transformers for a good while and that's not getting to the rest of Marvel or even DC.

Emerje wrote:I wonder if they're kicking themselves for not sticking with their original release plan and just gone up against the abysmal Solo movie?

Emerje

Abysmal? Solo made 4x more than Bumblebee on it's opening weekend. It's highly unlikely that Bee would have done better having been released against Solo over Aquaman. It's unfortunate that Bee is doing so poorly. It's a really good movie, better than any of the other Transformers movies IMO. It just seems like these spin off movies from major franchisees don't do well. Marvel and DC movies aren't really spin offs as their entire structure has been to do movies about individual characters then bring them together and a big movie. Solo and Bee were already part of the big movies and were separated from that universe to tell a smaller story. It's too bad because I really liked both of these movies.

Would Fantastic Beasts be seen as a spin off? I'm trying to think of cinematic examples to compare. I'll leave Rogue One to the side as Star Wars is a massive entity which warps the proceedings a bit.

ZeroWolf wrote:Would Fantastic Beasts be seen as a spin off? I'm trying to think of cinematic examples to compare. I'll leave Rogue One to the side as Star Wars is a massive entity which warps the proceedings a bit.

Fantastic beasts is a perfect comparison to Bee, both are spin offs happening before the main series.

I saw all three movies this weekend, which for someone who usually sees one a month at best, is saying something.

Aquaman was probably the best of them. It was a lot of fun.
Bumbleebee was great. I wish we'd gotten something closer to this in the beginning. Easily the best of the Live action movies.
Mary Poppins, a bit of a disappointment. I wont go into details of story, but lets just say, none of the songs are memorable.

Rodimus Knight wrote:I saw all three movies this weekend, which for someone who usually sees one a month at best, is saying something.

Aquaman was probably the best of them. It was a lot of fun.
Bumbleebee was great. I wish we'd gotten something closer to this in the beginning. Easily the best of the Live action movies.
Mary Poppins, a bit of a disappointment. I wont go into details of story, but lets just say, none of the songs are memorable.

Did you watch Into the Spiderverse?

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:I saw all three movies this weekend, which for someone who usually sees one a month at best, is saying something.

Aquaman was probably the best of them. It was a lot of fun.
Bumbleebee was great. I wish we'd gotten something closer to this in the beginning. Easily the best of the Live action movies.
Mary Poppins, a bit of a disappointment. I wont go into details of story, but lets just say, none of the songs are memorable.

Did you watch Into the Spiderverse?

I saw it last weekend. I really enjoyed it. I didn't like the jerky feel to the animation, but otherwise I enjoyed the story.

Into the Spiderverse was a lot of fun! Definitely Oscar worthy.

I've watched it this evening and I think it's an excellent movie, the way all Tf Movies should've been. Great action but in a different and more coherent way than the Bayhem; good characters; no sex sex sex humour and no robots saying bad words;a clean thing.

I've liked also Blitzwing and his short (but crucial) appearance: TLK was a mess of robots completely useless for the plot (and for the brand: many of those have never had a toy, maybe We'll see something in the lame Studio Series line)

And tons of eighties nostalgia, pure ecstasy for a 44yo like me

Maybe it's a bit too teenage oriented but the movie works right. I just hope they'll not loose this tune because this is the best.

A very good movie, the second in my personal ranking after DOTM even though it's such a different product from the previous movies that it should be must correct to give it a place of its own.

What was great about the fights in Bumblebee, you could tell the robots apart while fighting. In all the the bay movies, with their similar looks to all, you couldn't really tell what was going on.

ZeroWolf wrote:Don't forget that these figures for Bumblebee are domestic only, it still has other places to open...like China, which is where Aquaman got a huge boost.

I heard that a lot of moviegoers in China passed on TLK because it didn’t have enough of Optimus Prime in it. Not at all surprised at the low numbers here, but I am very interested in seeing what it does overseas.

Rodimus Knight wrote:What was great about the fights in Bumblebee, you could tell the robots apart while fighting. In all the the bay movies, with their similar looks to all, you couldn't really tell what was going on.

See I never had this problem with the other movies.

It would be nice to see them come up with toys for these characters. I'd love to see how they would do Arcee, Brawn and Wheeljack in cybertronain vehicle modes, although I know they aren't going to do anything new with these ones.

Rodimus Knight wrote:What was great about the fights in Bumblebee, you could tell the robots apart while fighting. In all the the bay movies, with their similar looks to all, you couldn't really tell what was going on.

I felt Age of Extinction rectified that greatly by colour coding all the autobots. Hound's last stand in Hong Kong was excellent.

Rodimus Knight wrote:It would be nice to see them come up with toys for these characters. I'd love to see how they would do Arcee, Brawn and Wheeljack in cybertronain vehicle modes, although I know they aren't going to do anything new with these ones.

It would be great if they make triple changers of Shatter and Dropkick but maybe they will be too complex toys for the younger audiece of the movie.

I think Hasbro has made the Bb movie toys line for kids and the Siege Line for adut collectors.

Don't forget the Studio Series toyline

Barricade.it wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:It would be nice to see them come up with toys for these characters. I'd love to see how they would do Arcee, Brawn and Wheeljack in cybertronain vehicle modes, although I know they aren't going to do anything new with these ones.

It would be great if they make triple changers of Shatter and Dropkick but maybe they will be too complex toys for the younger audiece of the movie.

I think Hasbro has made the Bb movie toys line for kids and the Siege Line for adut collectors.

No, the only toys made especially for adults are MPs, everything else has kids as the target audience, Hasbro keeps confirming that whenever they are asked.
Seige is made for 8 year olds and older, the COMBAT systwmem is especially made as a new play pattern.

william-james88 wrote:

Barricade.it wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:It would be nice to see them come up with toys for these characters. I'd love to see how they would do Arcee, Brawn and Wheeljack in cybertronain vehicle modes, although I know they aren't going to do anything new with these ones.

It would be great if they make triple changers of Shatter and Dropkick but maybe they will be too complex toys for the younger audiece of the movie.

I think Hasbro has made the Bb movie toys line for kids and the Siege Line for adut collectors.

No, the only toys made especially for adults are MPs, everything else has kids as the target audience, Hasbro keeps confirming that whenever they are asked.
Seige is made for 8 year olds and older, the COMBAT systwmem is especially made as a new play pattern.

You're right! Maybe I've forgotten the MP/SS because I hate them: I think they're lame figures not worthy the money. In my opinion, their level is lower than the TF2007 toys, for double the price (here in Italy, at least )

Studio series is just as complex as generations...though they have a higher price due to licensing

Normally I wouldn't post Tv Spots and stuff that come out after the movie does but I thought I'd make an exception due to the contents of the trailer.

Namely some shots of Ratchet's part in the movie (With Ironhide and presumably a generic Autobot soldier behind him)

No good HQ sources right now but I have an instagram page where the trailer is split into two parts, and a youtube channel who has uploaded the full vid, I'll post the HQ version later if it comes out.

There are some spoilers for the movie so those who haven't seen the movie yet I recommend that you don't watch it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Br6ePnFlEdY ... hare_sheet
https://www.instagram.com/p/Br6e1GDlvhW ... hare_sheet




However here is some screens of the relevant parts.

I quite like the designs. Honestly the whole “these things need to look complex because they logically have to be” aesthetic made less sense to me than “take the 80’s robots and sharpen up the looks.” Now everyone is recognizable, has tons of character, colour, and less skeletal. I can actually believe these robots can take a hit. I can believe they have the mass to form their other modes and integrate thier alt mode. They’re like prime designs without the animated proportions. (I love Wheeljack, he looks like prime Wheeljack but thinner or ROTF sideswipe’s quick thinking racing compatriot while being totally g1.) Seeing brawn was amazing because I had no idea he’d even come close to being featured.

Don’t get me wrong, I like a good amount of the old designs. But the whole “looks have to be realistic” thing falls apart when the rest of the movie doesn’t take it to heart. (Why robo nads? Why a crotch mounted lubricant port? That’s not safe for battle!)

All in all, it’s alien robots with personalities, if I could change form at will I’d pick something more fashionable over a skeleton covered in a semi. Sure it isn’t realistic, but neither are sentient car robots and it’s more fun this way. AND siege can be repurposed as Movie toys! Less divided shelves for me!

ZeroWolf wrote:Don't forget the Studio Series toyline

I would love to have toys of those designs, especially Shockwave.

Short Circuit wrote:I quite like the designs. Honestly the whole “these things need to look complex because they logically have to be” aesthetic made less sense to me than “take the 80’s robots and sharpen up the looks.” Now everyone is recognizable, has tons of character, colour, and less skeletal. I can actually believe these robots can take a hit. I can believe they have the mass to form their other modes and integrate thier alt mode. They’re like prime designs without the animated proportions. (I love Wheeljack, he looks like prime Wheeljack but thinner or ROTF sideswipe’s quick thinking racing compatriot while being totally g1.) Seeing brawn was amazing because I had no idea he’d even come close to being featured.

Don’t get me wrong, I like a good amount of the old designs. But the whole “looks have to be realistic” thing falls apart when the rest of the movie doesn’t take it to heart. (Why robo nads? Why a crotch mounted lubricant port? That’s not safe for battle!)

All in all, it’s alien robots with personalities, if I could change form at will I’d pick something more fashionable over a skeleton covered in a semi. Sure it isn’t realistic, but neither are sentient car robots and it’s more fun this way. AND siege can be repurposed as Movie toys! Less divided shelves for me!

Those two...design features... You mentioned were one offs for a joke only.

I jokingly included those, but I can present the bumblebee movie itself as a reason why the blocky robot design works better. We see bee is able to shift around chunks of his body, transform his undercarriage into an arm, etc. There’s mass built into the character. But the old skeletal designs meant every little piece of the altmode could magically appear wherever. And that kinda allows those jokes to exist. (IIRC, the wrecking ball was an arm on devastator?) Even the toys took time to evoke the looks and transformations, and isn’t that really what the movies are supposed to be about? A whimsical adventure with heroic Autobots and evil deceptions? Not some HR Geiger film?

I’m sorry if I sound like I’m just bashing the Bay movies, but i actually like most of them. They brought me back into the fandom after I forgot about armada and the first movie is still dear to me. But after all the characters who had the old names but no personality, this movie brought back that charm the 86 movie did, even with Optimus coming in during the first battle. It wasn’t grand or trying to be the best thing ever. It just, did it well. I left the theatre very happy for what could come from it.

Actually those wrecking balls weren't ever seen after that, they were just literally there for a joke written by Mr Bay since he had to finish the script off during the writers strike.

I'm still not completely sold on the G1 style but that's mainly because I'm G1 fatigued at the moment so it's my problem. I want new things and not old things pretending to be new...Give me like a movie Optimus who turns into an all terrain rescue vehicle of some description, or at the very least, a fire engine to reference Rid 2000 and Animated.

Don't take this as me knocking on the movie though, I still intend to watch and enjoy it, and I hope it goes on to do the best yet in terms of money made over money spent.

Oh I agree in the department that it didn’t need to be G1 and liked the new characters they were adding/creating. The wreckers were awesome, and barricade is a great new staple character. I’m all for an armada or rid reboot myself, that military rugged aesthetic was great and the designs were realistic enough. New Shanghai scene with rail racer instead of a unicycle?

Rail Racer would he awesome to see again.

ZeroWolf wrote:Rail Racer would he awesome to see again.

I'm still content with my original. It remains good enough and can't be beat.

Saw it today! I can't believe I cried while watching a Transformers movie. Charlie's monologue felt so real and vulnerable. Hailee Steinfeld is an exceptional actor. The story is full of heart. The opening scene was epic and awesome. Travis Knight, Christina Hodson and Hailee Steinfeld did an amazing job!

I saw this yesterday. Without a doubt it's the second best Transformers film after the '86 Movie. The opening five minutes alone does a better job of portraying The Transformers than Michael Bay did in over a decade. Cybertron has never been so vivid and the cast have never been so recognisable, especially not in Bayformers. There is also depth to the cast too. Angela Bassett in particular shines as "Shatter". Something else that is new to Movie Transformers...

I can only hope this is the start of an X-Men: First Class style soft reboot. Oh and there were humans in this too and they were fine, I guess. As I've noted before I couldn't care less if the humans were animated stick figures. They are not what I am going to a TRANSFORMERS film to see. 8/10

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I saw this yesterday. Without a doubt it's the second best Transformers film after the '86 Movie. The opening five minutes alone does a better job of portraying The Transformers than Michael Bay did in over a decade. Cybertron has never been so vivid and the cast have never been so recognisable, especially not in Bayformers. There is also depth to the cast too. Angela Bassett in particular shines as "Shatter". Something else that is new to Movie Transformers...

I can only hope this is the start of an X-Men: First Class style soft reboot. Oh and there were humans in this too and they were fine, I guess. As I've noted before I couldn't care less if the humans were animated stick figures. They are not what I am going to a TRANSFORMERS film to see. 8/10

Transformers takes place on Earth, humans live on Earth, the whole point of the franchise is their war (or conflict these days with the smaller casts in the shows) being brought to Earth and them disguising themselves as human vehicles.

Humans has always been part of the Transformers package.

Giant (Shape-shifting) Alien Robots. That is the only part I've ever cared about.

Plus, I got into G1 via The Movie and my favourite series is Beast Wars IE Futuristic Sci-Fi vehicles and Beast Alt-Modes. Humans aren't part of the Transformers package to everyone.

Bumblebee review: There’s two ways I can review this film so here goes…

G1 fan: I’ve owned, at one point in time, nearly all of the original G1 Transformers, read all of the Uk comics (300+) as well as all of the new IDW releases. I am a fan. Other than Lego, Transformers were my main toy as a child so I’m thankful that there’s been films. But, saying that, I’m also majorly disappointed with ALL of the Transformer films. The robots are, basically, expendable. Imagine a film where Johnny 5 (Short Circuit) has his head blown off in the first ten minutes. Or E.T. calling home only to phone a McDonalds and have three Big Tasty meals delivered.

Of all the stories, of all the media that could have been used, we've, instead, just been shown the most basic and bland explosions known to man. It’s boring. Where’s the depth? How does Optimus go from being the most heroic leader to screaming, “I’ll kill you!” to a human? Or ripping an un-armed Megatron to bits? Or robot testicles and ‘Gangsta’ bots?

Unicron… a robot the size of a planet… reduced to broccoli! At least they had the main music track from the original animated movie! (The touch)

Bumblebee stands relatively grounded with far less explosions. Yes, as mentioned before, I’ve seen this film around 50 times and it’s nothing new. At all. It’s generic. I enjoyed the 1987 references, loved the original G1 forms at the start (Nearly wept with joy hearing Soundwave’s voice + Ravage), as well as seeing Optimus at the end. After all, as fans all know, Bumblebee is the weakest Autobot and could hardly take on the bland, generic, faceless red and blue Decepticons! His main aim is tracking and Surveillance. Not combat. As Goldbug, on the other hand, he gained x and y. Blah blah nerd alert.

Additionally, while I’m ranting, when you go to watch the ‘Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles’ you get a film about the turtles. When you watch a Transformers film you get 70% human scenes with 30% robot thrown in just so you don’t forget what you’re watching.

General public: You have seen this film before. Heck, please make Short Circuit 3 and I’d be happy. I’m glad that I watched the film, albeit at no point connecting to the main star (Bumblebee isn’t the main star, don’t be silly), as it’s reasonably close to how Buster Witwicky first met Bumblebee in the comics. For the first few minutes anyway. The Cybertron scenes, although limited in number, were fantastic and you could view the original forms of the Decepticons. Opps, slipped into G1 mode there.

It was okay but I honestly preferred Mary Poppins and that’s from someone that loves Sci-Fi. BB felt Generic in every single way but that doesn't make it a bad film. It’s safe. I wouldn't watch it again.

P.s. Who was the main bad guy in this film? The two Decepticons? The buff dude? That’s right… there wasn't really a main bad guy.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Giant (Shape-shifting) Alien Robots. That is the only part I've ever cared about.

Plus, I got into G1 via The Movie and my favourite series is Beast Wars IE Futuristic Sci-Fi vehicles and Beast Alt-Modes. Humans aren't part of the Transformers package to everyone.

I found the weakest part of G1 to be the movie itself, the first part was decent until Prime died, and then the rest of the movie was a let down, not because I didn't like the new characters or the old characters dying but because the writing was weak and a not so good rip off of Star Wars.

I found season 3 of the G1 cartoon to be superior even with it's issues animation or otherwise.

Of course that's my opinion but I think some of the weaker Transformers stories so happen to be when it was away from Earth, not to say there has never been a weak story on Earth or bad human characters.

I just laugh at the idea that Transformers should stay away from humans forever, many Cybertronian forms look bad in alt mode.

Transformers might as well as never transform in a Cybertron/non earth only series, ah wait that was most of MTMTE.

excalibur1814 wrote:P.s. Who was the main bad guy in this film? The two Decepticons? The buff dude? That’s right… there wasn't really a main bad guy.

Obviously it was the two Decepticons, the whole damn climax at the end is dealing with their plan to call the rest of the Decepticons to Earth, their a constant presence in the whole movie.

I don't see how anyone could have trouble figuring that out.

The military and their distrust of aliens is there as an excuse for Bumblebee to not just go to the President and have the whole army blow up the Decepticons to bits, Burns was the face for that military.

Put simply, from an aesthetic point of view, I have never been interested in Earth-based vehicle alt-modes. Boring, generic, unimaginative. For example, the designs for G1 Cyclonus or BM Jetstorm (toy) are leaps and bounds beyond Starscream and his ilk to me.

As for people, I mean (the award-winning) Beast Wars showed you don't need humans to make a great Transformers series. Yet I'm not 100% against their inclusion, just that they shouldn't be a focal point.

While later IDWverse writers leaned hard into "Earth = Centre of The Universe" showing a general lack of creativity over anything else. Furman had it right in early IDWverse, Earth was just one of many battlefields. Nothing special.
That much is basically said here in Bumblebee.

But earth does allow them to make use of big star actors and real life locations to make a film cheaper I agree with what you're saying of course but the people in charge will always make different decisions to us

Regarding seeing this movie before in terms of what kind of story etc, etc. All story types have been done, what's new is the slant we give them. Bee is a coming of age tale of an 18 year old woman and a giant transforming car that's what makes it different and a story worth telling. Also I see it said a lot but TF the animated movie owes more to the archetype: "The Heroes Journey" then Star Wars... Or did I miss the part where Hot Rod rescued arcee from being captive, and learned he was Galvatrons son...

What Bumblebee was, would be a "Palette Cleanser". It boiled down what came before and basically removed the hubris and stylistic choices of the former Director.

Yeah we needed a simple film this time after the over convoluted mess of TLK

Baby steps, you don't slam in the whole week's meals into one sitting, to be honest this reason alone is why I think the Fallen was brought in as a villian to early, villian wise I think Sentinel and the Fallen should have been switched. (Not the "character" but which movie)

I think the Fallen was chosen because Bay thought he was a cool sounding villain. For me, the Fallen needs to tie into unicron, though on that subject, I did think it was brave that they seemed to be heading down Prime terrority with Unicron being earth. But I'm probably giving too much credit and the whole reason probably stems from them not wanting to do Unicron properly... Too afraid probably of running into the Galactus problem.

Anyhow, I think a prequel like Bee would have always been a smaller affair, even if Bay himself handled it

ZeroWolf wrote:I think the Fallen was chosen because Bay thought he was a cool sounding villain. For me, the Fallen needs to tie into unicron, though on that subject, I did think it was brave that they seemed to be heading down Prime terrority with Unicron being earth. But I'm probably giving too much credit and the whole reason probably stems from them not wanting to do Unicron properly... Too afraid probably of running into the Galactus problem.

Anyhow, I think a prequel like Bee would have always been a smaller affair, even if Bay himself handled it

To be honest the lack of drama and big ensemble casts was refreshing, Transformers movies have ran into the trouble of having to many characters. (I hate 5 man bands but casts like TLK were crazy)

My ideal cast would be 6-7 Autobots and 7-9 Decepticons (Not all the cons need to be "main" with deep backstories just have simple and clear personalities like Dropkick, so memorable henchmen type characters.)

As for humans, I think a good 2-3 main humans (not including any "villains") is good, this isn't including any minor side/supporting characters that establish the life of the main humans as long as they are actually relevant, I have no problem with human characters as long as their written well, play an actual story role and have good acting, would also like to see some adaptions of human characters from other parts of Transformers media like maybe an Agent Fowler or Raoul or something.


I would love to see a live action Chip Chase, maybe initially on his two feet before a Transformers conflict gets him crippled to better show the consequences of the Transformers conflict, we never have long lasting negative repercussions to the main humans for being involved in a war between giant robots which I think is part of why some fans don't like humans in Transformers.

Okay so, I finally got to see Bumblebee. And after all the praise from critics and fans, I’ve got to say...

I thought it was really dumb. I mean, I know the Live Action films are known for their continuity issues, but jeez...there is just no way this meshes with anything. If they do finally admit that it’s a reboot, then great. But since Travis Knight and Lorenzo do Bonaventura keep saying “it’s all part of the same thing” it’s all such a mess.

And I know I’m in the very very small minority when I say that I really didn’t like the Cybertron scene. I thought it was corny as hell.

But this is all just my opinion, I’m glad so many people did enjoy it. I’m just not one of them.

You know what I do actually take issue with though, is that Dropkick and Shatter are never actually referred to by name. Correct me if I’m wrong, but if I hadn’t known who they are because of their toys, I wouldn’t have any idea who they were.