Transformers Designer Discusses Legacy Elita-1 Design Process and Shares Different Looks
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We also see some images of the sample figure in the two different backpack configurations.
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Posted by First-Aid on May 25th, 2022 @ 10:12pm CDT
Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on May 25th, 2022 @ 10:17pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.
Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.
Being heavily connected to a high profile character is all it takes. Look at Roller!
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on May 25th, 2022 @ 10:51pm CDT
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on May 25th, 2022 @ 10:54pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:[quote="Rodimus Prime"And I also know what a high profile character is.
Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.[/quote]
It's unintentional, Cheetor has that strange hinge too. They just wanted to show that he can acually sit on the thone
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on May 25th, 2022 @ 10:55pm CDT
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on May 25th, 2022 @ 10:57pm CDT
Evil Eye wrote:To be fair, Elita's cartoon model, being as it is without even Arcee's shoulder pods, is completely unworkable as a transforming toy (it doesn't even have an onscreen transformation!). Now personally I feel like a new Voyager scale Elita that turned into a streamlined Cybertronian truck would be cool, but this one doesn't look half bad.
I've seen concepts of truck Elita, but it seems lazy. She should be her own charecter, not just female optimus prime!
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on May 25th, 2022 @ 10:59pm CDT
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:And whats with the h-2-228 on Elita? Looked it up and it's https://www.google.com/search?q=h+2+228&oq=h+2+228&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i546l3.2769j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
That's probably the ID number for the test shot, it won't be on the final release.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 25th, 2022 @ 11:10pm CDT
So why is she still being talked about even now, and having gotten attention in the last 2 trilogies? Yet Minerva has been nowhere? When it comes to profile, Elita > Minerva.First-Aid wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.
Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.
Posted by william-james88 on May 25th, 2022 @ 11:16pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:So why is she still being talked about even now, and having gotten attention in the last 2 trilogies? Yet Minerva has been nowhere? When it comes to profile, Elita > Minerva.First-Aid wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.
Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.
Yes, and the designer is aware, hence my article. This mold is Elita's. Now if you like it or not, it's a different story and any take is valid. But Hasbro deems this their attempt at a mold focused on a G1 Elita-1.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 25th, 2022 @ 11:29pm CDT
I understand that, which is why I don't like it and said so. But I'm just 1 person, and Hasbro goes with majority opinion, because that makes them the most money. So if a lot of others like the figure and accept it as an adequate or even excellent representation of the character, it is what it is. We all have our opinion and (presumably) our own money to spend and in the end that's what matters. We must speak with our wallets because that's the most common language Hasbro understands, from design to accounting to marketing.william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So why is she still being talked about even now, and having gotten attention in the last 2 trilogies? Yet Minerva has been nowhere? When it comes to profile, Elita > Minerva.First-Aid wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.
Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.
Yes, and the designer is aware, hence my article. This mold is Elita's. Now if you like it or not, it's a different story and any take is valid. But Hasbro deems this their attempt at a mold focused on a G1 Elita-1.
Posted by Glarryg on May 25th, 2022 @ 11:45pm CDT
Glarryg
Posted by cloudballoon on May 26th, 2022 @ 12:57am CDT
Glarryg wrote:I gotta admit, this design appeals to me more than the majority of the lady-bot car designs from the last few years of CHUG. And, personally, I've stopped caring just how much the term "Legacy" applies to these figures, since some of the better-looking ones (like Elita and the Prime Universe figures) have strayed the most from their original looks. Sacrificing show accuracy for a better Transformer toy is worth it to me.
Glarryg
Legacy is a fun & great concept if Hasbro can pull it off properly. I think, as lacking as Bulkhead & especially Arcee were in its execution, choosing them to Geewunify is a good idea. Legacy brings Bulkhead into the G1/80's universe, and Arcee a more realistic Earth mode that people can't complain like the T30/ER/SS versions. So Geewunify more popular non-G1 characters into G1 designs, I'm fine with that!
But I wished Hasbro would go with doing faithful-to-toon TFP Knockout, Blackarachnia & Smokescreen. If not in Legacy than in a future toy line. Those were the weakest of the TFP figures and deserve a redo. Bring TFP Ratchet into the Voyager scale would be nice too.
So Legacy Knockout is a disappointment in that regard (for me). But I still pre-ordered as it's a good figure. It'll replace the original until I can get a near-MSRP R.E.D. Knockout as a replacement on my Prime shelf (then I'll rework it into Rapido). I haven't found R.E.D. Knockout available in stores or online at Walmart Canada yet though. I don't have my hopes up.
Posted by Bounti76 on May 26th, 2022 @ 1:43am CDT
Evil Eye wrote:To be fair, Elita's cartoon model, being as it is without even Arcee's shoulder pods, is completely unworkable as a transforming toy (it doesn't even have an onscreen transformation!). Now personally I feel like a new Voyager scale Elita that turned into a streamlined Cybertronian truck would be cool, but this one doesn't look half bad.
I just watched 'Search for Alpha Trion' today, and she actually did transform in that episode, right when she and Prime pull up after she's repaired. It's mostly obscured by Prime, though. The front of her car mode kind of shrinks and forms her chest. You'd think the leader of the female Autobots (and Prime's girlfriend) would have gotten a better transformation than that. Hell, you see more of Lancer and Greenlight's transformations than Elita's, and they didn't even have any lines in the episode, not to mention it took almost 25 years after it aired for them to even get names.
That being said, I do think Elita One should have been a larger Deluxe (like Ironhide), or a Voyager, to better scale with Prime.
Posted by Rtron on May 26th, 2022 @ 7:13am CDT
First-Aid wrote:As a TF Prime lover, that Knockout is just a$$. Yes the original toy was also, but Geewunning that figure is a horrific insult to the animation model. If it were, say, a new character or even Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen it would be infinitely better. But as a TFP figure, it's just insulting.
It's also such a weird decision. They didn't G1-ify Beast Wars or the Unicron trilogy, thankfully. So I don't know what the deal with them doing that crap to Transformers Prime is. Everyone is saying "hey, but what ifs are cool". Yeah, they're cool when you've gotten the main version first. Otherwise, it feels like a crappy bait and switch.
For those who don't get the complaints about the Prime guys having gotten G-ified. Imagine if Hasbro had never made a new G1 Starscream, no classics seeker mold, no Generations, no Combiner Wars or WFC or anything. And then, when it finally seems like you'll get a new one, it's 2007 movie Starscream in G1 colors. You'd all be losing your shit.
Posted by Emerje on May 26th, 2022 @ 8:33am CDT
Rtron wrote:For those who don't get the complaints about the Prime guys having gotten G-ified. Imagine if Hasbro had never made a new G1 Starscream, no classics seeker mold, no Generations, no Combiner Wars or WFC or anything. And then, when it finally seems like you'll get a new one, it's 2007 movie Starscream in G1 colors. You'd all be losing your ****.
Funny thing is if Classics didn't happen we would have gotten just that.
I wonder how we would have reacted? RobotMasters was out there in Japan, but Hasbro didn't have any interest in importing it so most fans didn't have access. There was the Starscream repaint from Energon, but that's no better than the movie repaint since it was a different character and not a perfect resemblance. I feel like we just would have been amused and a little annoyed by the paint app more than anything since there wasn't much of a precedence for new G1 figures back then. We're pretty spoiled now.
What I want to know is why people want new Prime toys that look exactly like the original toys? What could Hasbro possibly do to improve on them now? Ankle tilts? Nothing they could do today would be better than what we had then so they may as well do something different. What we need is more reissues IMO.
Emerje
Posted by TulioDude on May 26th, 2022 @ 8:40am CDT
Elita One is looking cool.
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:First-Aid wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.
Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.
Being heavily connected to a high profile character is all it takes. Look at Roller!
There's so many characters that have brief story appearances. If we can get all of the seeker repaints, we can have Elita One.
Day 877 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
Posted by Evil Eye on May 26th, 2022 @ 8:41am CDT
Emerje wrote:Rtron wrote:For those who don't get the complaints about the Prime guys having gotten G-ified. Imagine if Hasbro had never made a new G1 Starscream, no classics seeker mold, no Generations, no Combiner Wars or WFC or anything. And then, when it finally seems like you'll get a new one, it's 2007 movie Starscream in G1 colors. You'd all be losing your ****.
Funny thing is if Classics didn't happen we would have gotten just that.
I wonder how we would have reacted? RobotMasters was out there in Japan, but Hasbro didn't have any interest in importing it so most fans didn't have access. There was the Starscream repaint from Energon, but that's no better than the movie repaint since it was a different character and not a perfect resemblance. I feel like we just would have been amused and a little annoyed by the paint app more than anything since there wasn't much of a precedence for new G1 figures back then. We're pretty spoiled now.
What I want to know is why people want new Prime toys that look exactly like the original toys? What could Hasbro possibly do to improve on them now? Ankle tilts? Nothing they could do today would be better than what we had then so they may as well do something different. What we need is more reissues IMO.
Emerje
[Sighs in Airachnid]
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 26th, 2022 @ 8:50am CDT
Evil Eye wrote:Emerje wrote:Rtron wrote:For those who don't get the complaints about the Prime guys having gotten G-ified. Imagine if Hasbro had never made a new G1 Starscream, no classics seeker mold, no Generations, no Combiner Wars or WFC or anything. And then, when it finally seems like you'll get a new one, it's 2007 movie Starscream in G1 colors. You'd all be losing your ****.
Funny thing is if Classics didn't happen we would have gotten just that.
I wonder how we would have reacted? RobotMasters was out there in Japan, but Hasbro didn't have any interest in importing it so most fans didn't have access. There was the Starscream repaint from Energon, but that's no better than the movie repaint since it was a different character and not a perfect resemblance. I feel like we just would have been amused and a little annoyed by the paint app more than anything since there wasn't much of a precedence for new G1 figures back then. We're pretty spoiled now.
What I want to know is why people want new Prime toys that look exactly like the original toys? What could Hasbro possibly do to improve on them now? Ankle tilts? Nothing they could do today would be better than what we had then so they may as well do something different. What we need is more reissues IMO.
Emerje
[Sighs in Airachnid]
This. there were figures that were subpar that needed a redo, among them Knockout, Airachnid, and Smokescreen. There are also figures that needed something more in scale and could use an improvement, like Predaking, Darksteel, and Sky Lynx. Then there were some where they got a good figure, but it was the damned first editions that were hard to get a hold of and are uber expensive now, like Cliffjumper and Arcee. Lest we forget that Hasbro never released a Breakdown until the new re-release and we were shorted a Unicron Megatron.
There were options.
Posted by sol magnus on May 26th, 2022 @ 9:57am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:So why is she still being talked about even now, and having gotten attention in the last 2 trilogies? Yet Minerva has been nowhere? When it comes to profile, Elita > Minerva.First-Aid wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.
Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.
You're definitely correct there. Minerva hasn't really been used in American fiction, until very recently - The Wreckers comic that wrapped a few months back. In that comic, she's sporting that body and alt-mode given to the currently discussed Elita-1.
Besides the rumors, my thinking was that it takes a good while to plan all this stuff out. Minerva started appearing as a Wrecker last year, which means they probably started finalizing all this in 2020(?). Is it the chicken or the egg? I don't know - I don't care, either. I'm just breaking down why it 'makes sense' that Minerva was the original and Elita-1 the tool modification, but we know all these alternate heads and body parts get put on the same sprue so it doesn't really have to be either/or.
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 26th, 2022 @ 10:20am CDT
sol magnus wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So why is she still being talked about even now, and having gotten attention in the last 2 trilogies? Yet Minerva has been nowhere? When it comes to profile, Elita > Minerva.First-Aid wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.
Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.
You're definitely correct there. Minerva hasn't really been used in American fiction, until very recently - The Wreckers comic that wrapped a few months back. In that comic, she's sporting that body and alt-mode given to the currently discussed Elita-1.
Besides the rumors, my thinking was that it takes a good while to plan all this stuff out. Minerva started appearing as a Wrecker last year, which means they probably started finalizing all this in 2020(?). Is it the chicken or the egg? I don't know - I don't care, either. I'm just breaking down why it 'makes sense' that Minerva was the original and Elita-1 the tool modification, but we know all these alternate heads and body parts get put on the same sprue so it doesn't really have to be either/or.
Pretty much this, we know that it takes about 2 years to design a toy.
Also, if you want to get technical, mineva has vastly more screen Time then Elita, only difference is the countries that it was shown
Ultimately I don't think it matters who came first or who wears it best. As long as the Mineva rumours are correct, she'll get her first toy in the west (unless there's some exclusive I'm not familiar with) that should be cause for celebration anyway.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on May 26th, 2022 @ 10:40am CDT
Posted by sol magnus on May 26th, 2022 @ 10:44am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:I wasn't crapping on Minerva, I wish she had been featured more. I'm just saying they're distinct enough that they deserve separate designs.
Oh, I never thought you were. And I don't disagree. If I had an issue with saturation, though, I'd say Arcee and Elita-1 are both being made a bit too repeatedly.
Posted by Sabrblade on May 26th, 2022 @ 11:20am CDT
Posted by Autobot N on May 26th, 2022 @ 11:26am CDT
I don't count Ask Vector Prime retcons, Minerva was the first figure specifically intended to be a girlSabrblade wrote:Also, Elita, her pals, and Arcee may have all appeared first, but Minerva was the first-ever female character to get a TOY released at mass retail (barring later-made retcons).
Posted by Sabrblade on May 26th, 2022 @ 11:36am CDT
AllSpark Almanac, but same author.Autobot N wrote:I don't count Ask Vector Prime retcons, Minerva was the first figure specifically intended to be a girlSabrblade wrote:Also, Elita, her pals, and Arcee may have all appeared first, but Minerva was the first-ever female character to get a TOY released at mass retail (barring later-made retcons).
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 26th, 2022 @ 12:38pm CDT
Posted by grimdragon2001 on May 26th, 2022 @ 12:45pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 26th, 2022 @ 1:16pm CDT
Freezon.ZeroWolf wrote:Who was the later retcon?
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 26th, 2022 @ 1:30pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 26th, 2022 @ 5:50pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on May 26th, 2022 @ 8:28pm CDT
Autobot N wrote:I don't count Ask Vector Prime retcons, Minerva was the first figure specifically intended to be a girlSabrblade wrote:Also, Elita, her pals, and Arcee may have all appeared first, but Minerva was the first-ever female character to get a TOY released at mass retail (barring later-made retcons).
Uh...
Semantics, but let's just settle for "first female figure".
Emerje
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on May 26th, 2022 @ 9:43pm CDT
Emerje wrote:Autobot N wrote:I don't count Ask Vector Prime retcons, Minerva was the first figure specifically intended to be a girlSabrblade wrote:Also, Elita, her pals, and Arcee may have all appeared first, but Minerva was the first-ever female character to get a TOY released at mass retail (barring later-made retcons).
Uh...
Semantics, but let's just settle for "first female figure".
Emerje
Let's do it like this, barring retcons:
MF Minerva: first female character to get a toy, period
BotCon 1995 Nightracer: first female character to get a toy in the US
BW Blackarachnia: first female character to get a toy in US main retail
BW Transmetal Airazor: first toy specifically designed as female
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 26th, 2022 @ 10:13pm CDT
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Let's do it like this, barring retcons:
MF Minerva: first female character to get a toy, period
BotCon 1995 Nightracer: first female character to get a toy in the US
BW Blackarachnia: first female character to get a toy in US main retail
BW Transmetal Airazor: first toy specifically designed as female
Meanwhile, they'res that annoying person who always cry out "first":
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 27th, 2022 @ 9:25am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 27th, 2022 @ 11:10am CDT
And none of which go in this thread.Razorbeast88 wrote:Chefatron put up reviews of leadfoot, spindle, clampdown, and ss Bumblebee
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 27th, 2022 @ 11:17am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:And none of which go in this thread.Razorbeast88 wrote:Chefatron put up reviews of leadfoot, spindle, clampdown, and ss Bumblebee
Haha my bad, wasn't sure what thread leadfoot and spindle go to
Posted by Sabrblade on May 27th, 2022 @ 11:18am CDT
Oh wait, yeah, those two are fine.Razorbeast88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And none of which go in this thread.Razorbeast88 wrote:Chefatron put up reviews of leadfoot, spindle, clampdown, and ss Bumblebee
Haha my bad, wasn't sure what thread leadfoot and spindle go to
Posted by MadProject on May 27th, 2022 @ 11:28am CDT
But, we finally see that Wildrider's backpack can be collapsed on his back a-la-CW style.
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on May 27th, 2022 @ 11:41am CDT
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:And whats with the h-2-228 on Elita? Looked it up and it's https://www.google.com/search?q=h+2+228&oq=h+2+228&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i546l3.2769j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
That's probably the ID number for the test shot, it won't be on the final release.
Alright, thought it was something like that.
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on May 27th, 2022 @ 12:21pm CDT
MadProject wrote:Seen this this afternoon on Facebook, I don't remember who's the original poster.
But, we finally see that Wildrider's backpack can be collapsed on his back a-la-CW style.
I swear they showed this off in the reveal stream like how they showed off Elita's being collapsible? It's nice to see stock photography with it, but persoanlly, I don't have any issue with the splayed out version
Posted by sol magnus on May 27th, 2022 @ 12:23pm CDT
Sentinel_Primal wrote:MadProject wrote:Seen this this afternoon on Facebook, I don't remember who's the original poster.
But, we finally see that Wildrider's backpack can be collapsed on his back a-la-CW style.
I swear they showed this off in the reveal stream like how they showed off Elita's being collapsible? It's nice to see stock photography with it, but persoanlly, I don't have any issue with the splayed out version
Exactly. Talk about a nitpick (although I will be using the backpack version lol)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on May 27th, 2022 @ 12:25pm CDT
Sentinel_Primal wrote:MadProject wrote:Seen this this afternoon on Facebook, I don't remember who's the original poster.
But, we finally see that Wildrider's backpack can be collapsed on his back a-la-CW style.
I swear they showed this off in the reveal stream like how they showed off Elita's being collapsible? It's nice to see stock photography with it, but persoanlly, I don't have any issue with the splayed out version
The reason there are two variations is so fans will all be pleased. Some will liked it collapsed, and some will like it "splayed out" better. Also, if it couldn't collapse, It wouldn't be able to transform.
Posted by Munkky on May 28th, 2022 @ 10:26am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 28th, 2022 @ 10:42am CDT
Munkky wrote:I got Drag Strip yesterday, and he's pretty nice. I was unsure how I felt about the Legacy Stunticons dropping Combiner Wars compatibility, but I ended up liking Legacy Drag Strip a lot more than the Combiner Wars version, he works better as a standalone figure than many Combiner Wars Deluxes do. Something I noticed is that there's no section in the instructions on how to separate the vehicle mode for the combination, I'm guessing that will be part of Motormaster's instructions.
It looks to be something that happens when you plug the arm bots into the frame as sort of a auto morph.
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on May 28th, 2022 @ 12:09pm CDT
Munkky wrote:I got Drag Strip yesterday, and he's pretty nice. I was unsure how I felt about the Legacy Stunticons dropping Combiner Wars compatibility, but I ended up liking Legacy Drag Strip a lot more than the Combiner Wars version, he works better as a standalone figure than many Combiner Wars Deluxes do. Something I noticed is that there's no section in the instructions on how to separate the vehicle mode for the combination, I'm guessing that will be part of Motormaster's instructions.
The new stunt icons look almost perfect, likely best we'll ever get from anyway! That original combiner wars dragstrip/mirage mold was terrible in my opinion.
Posted by Sowndwave76 on May 28th, 2022 @ 2:14pm CDT
Looks good from what I could see!
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on May 28th, 2022 @ 2:50pm CDT
Sowndwave76 wrote:Just saw an image of Core class Shockwave…
Looks good from what I could see!
Just noticed it before I noticed your comment. It looks nice, but I'll have to skip
Posted by sol magnus on May 28th, 2022 @ 4:41pm CDT
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Sowndwave76 wrote:Just saw an image of Core class Shockwave…
Looks good from what I could see!
Just noticed it before I noticed your comment. It looks nice, but I'll have to skip
I actually may get it and leave it in alt-mode.
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on May 28th, 2022 @ 4:44pm CDT
sol magnus wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Sowndwave76 wrote:Just saw an image of Core class Shockwave…
Looks good from what I could see!
Just noticed it before I noticed your comment. It looks nice, but I'll have to skip
I actually may get it and leave it in alt-mode.
The alt mode is the mode I didn't like as much, but ok. Nevermind the alt mode is fine.
Posted by william-james88 on May 28th, 2022 @ 5:21pm CDT
Iguanas x1
Optimus Prime (repack) x1
G2 Megatron x2
Shockwave x2