Transformers SS'86 Wreck-Gar Video Review

Tonton also put up a review of Wreck Gar that has some different comparisons for anyone interested

I'm actually not a fan of Wreck-gar's size. That's not me saying it's bad; I'm sure there are plenty of design aspects that have benefitted from that.
But as was already pointed out, he should be closer to the height of Hot Rod and Kup... And man, he made them look really small in that review. Kup looked like he was supposed to be some younger, smaller version or something... The scaling was very off.
However, I'm still definitely getting him; he looks really on point. I haven't decided if this is a "definitive" version, but it very may well be.

I'm most likely going to be passing on any retools... There's a chance I could be swayed if I like the face/head sculpt and overall colors enough, because I do think the mold is really good.
But right now I'm confident Wreck-gar will be my only Junkion, making Gnaw the only figure I plan to troop build.

Wreck-Gar and Springer were pretty even in height when they dueled each other in the movie.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Review for SS86 Wreck Gar is up! By kremzeek reviews
https://youtu.be/x-p-7lXLxe4

When Wreck-Gar is dancing with Hot Rod in the movie, they are the same size.

Yeah, but then when he duals Springer, he's the same size as well. So pick whichever size you like best. Personally, I preffer him being the same size as springer.

3 stolen Wreck-Gar review in one day ( Kremzeek, Tonton, now Chefatron) that's got to be a new record

I'm actually not a fan of Wreck-gar's size. That's not me saying it's bad; I'm sure there are plenty of design aspects that have benefitted from that.
But as was already pointed out, he should be closer to the height of Hot Rod and Kup... And man, he made them look really small in that review. Kup looked like he was supposed to be some younger, smaller version or something... The scaling was very off.

Re: size, the majority of the scenes that Wreck-gar shares with the Autobots, he is usually about a head taller than the likes of Hot Rod or Kup so I think this figure is on par with the movie reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrMbkbTPrPA&t=212s

o.supreme wrote:3 stolen Wreck-Gar review in one day ( Kremzeek, Tonton, now Chefatron) that's got to be a new record

And people wonder why prices are going up and Hasbro hates reviewers. Ok, maybe hate is a strong word.

o.supreme wrote:3 stolen Wreck-Gar review in one day ( Kremzeek, Tonton, now Chefatron) that's got to be a new record

If these are indeed stolen and/or "fell off the back of an Optimus" (sotospeak), it is a shame that Chefatron has (started?) to do this. Although I myself love KO, imported and 3P TFs, my main gripe with Youtubers that show "stolen" TFs is that they are setting a new precedent for other Youtubers (in order to "stay "fresh" or "relevent" they might have to do the same). Plus, if Hasbro does nothing to stop this, they benefit from undeclared "sponsored content" at Youtube.

I wish Hasbro would clamp down on these Youtubers with some takedowns, whilst then increasing their official sponsored content much earlier on for Youtubers. BTW, I was watching a British youtuber (not PvP), who does videogame vids (possibly "Nostalgia Nerd"?) and he showed some promotional stuff for "Heroquest" (part of a Hasbro kickstarter) and he had a card from them that basically had a script for Youtubers, which he had to say, almost verbatim, to the lines of "This is an officially sponsored product, sent by Hasbro...etc". That's why I don't for a second believe any of these Youtubers with TFs before anyone else, are officially condoned or supported by Hastak.

primalxconvoy wrote:BTW, I was watching a British youtuber (not PvP), who does videogame vids (possibly "Nostalgia Nerd"?) and he showed some promotional stuff for "Heroquest" (part of a Hasbro kickstarter) and he had a card from them that basically had a script for Youtubers, which he had to say, almost verbatim, to the lines of "This is an officially sponsored product, sent by Hasbro...etc". That's why I don't for a second believe any of these Youtubers with TFs before anyone else, are officially condoned or supported by Hastak.

Toy Galaxy did a video of the same one I'm guess. And yeah, that has always been a mandate of Hasbro's. When I used to write Transformers reviews for another site there was always a letter in the box from Hasbro that outlined any key points that needed to be mentioned (back then it was May Mayhem and SDCC exclusives) which is why I've never once bought the line about them being officially sponsored reviews that didn't need to mention Hasbro. Yeah right. Recently I've even noticed something new (or at least that I haven't seen before) on some Walmart reviews:



If that's being attached to reviews done by nobodies Hasbro gave Netflix figures to on Walmart.com then they're definitely going to expect a mention from YouTube influencers.

Emerje

Yes. Someone was defending PVP at Facebook, and another poster showed a similar disclaimer that (they received?) from Mattel.

No one considered that some online retailers may just don't care about the official release date and simply send figures to their customers early?

-Kanrabat- wrote:No one considered that some online retailers may just don't care about the official release date and simply send figures to their customers early?

Exactly, In Demand Toys does this. Honesty I don't know why we're discussing it as it matter not a single jot. They review toys and it's down to us if we watch reviews or if we don't watch them. That's the binary choice at the end of the day.

Besides which it also wouldn't surprise me one bit if there was some under the table dealing going on to get around youtubes rules on product placement. I mean, look at it this way, Hasbro don't seem to care about early reviews otherwise they'd have done something about it. Heck they didn't seem to care that T-Wrecks got leaked, reviewed and then officially released without an official reveal from hasbro?

primalxconvoy wrote:I wish Hasbro would clamp down on these Youtubers with some takedowns

There are people on Youtube that call them out constantly and nothing seemingly happens. I am curious, since I know you have expressed your fervor on this issue before, what has Hasbro or TT response been to you (if any) when you contacted them? I'd be curious to know.

There are some people that feel *any* promotion is good promotion. At the last FFF. The presenters at Hasbro made some snarky comments about early reviews of TF product, but that was about it. Perhaps they know there isn't much that can be done?

ZeroWolf wrote:They review toys and it's down to us if we watch reviews or if we don't watch them. That's the binary choice at the end of the day.

Agreed 100%

I think the main point is that some people are just JEALOUS of the early birds.

Now I wish this discussion won't happen every single times an early review is published.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I think the main point is that some people are just JEALOUS of the early birds.

Now I wish this discussion won't happen every single times an early review is published.

I'll join you in that hot drink

Now back on topic, with regards to the Sweeps was there any difference between them and Scourge in the cartoons? Errors or otherwise?

I looked at some various images, and they're all really pretty similar...
This is one of those rare cases where if Hastak decides to do something to give them a slightly different appearance-- obviously an slightly different face sculpt, a slightly lighter or darker main color-- I'd be more than okay with that.
Honestly if the only difference is the face sculpt, I may stick with the two that I have on preorder from Amazon, but there's more of a chance that I'd only end up getting one.

ZeroWolf wrote:Now back on topic, with regards to the Sweeps was there any difference between them and Scourge in the cartoons? Errors or otherwise?

Nope. Identical to Scourge.

It's been a while since I've seen it, but the platinum 3 pack that had reissues of the original Cyclonus and Scourge, also came with a Sweep. How did they differentiate it from Scourge?

Edit... Nevermind, they were universe repaints...I thought they were original reissues for some reason. Oh well

Couldn't find anything about that but the Takara Legends Sharkticon came with a Sweeps titanmaster and the mustache is flipped.

o.supreme wrote:It's been a while since I've seen it, but the platinum 3 pack that had reissues of the original Cyclonus and Scourge, also came with a Sweep. How did they differentiate it from Scourge?

Edit... Nevermind, they were universe repaints...I thought they were original reissues for some reason. Oh well

Man that would have been an incredible pack!

And @Aronjlove, in the platinum 3 pack, the sweep was a new head that has no facial hair.

Well, fingers crossed it's something more substantial than just the face sculpt...
At the same time if they're going for movie accuracy then it may not be any drastic change.
Just thinking that's another $60 for a couple figures that may look almost exactly like Scourge...
I'm really anxious to see this figure now!

They might use this as an opertunity to do a gentle retcon of the Sweeps and maybe mix up the shades of blue and grey on the body and toss in a head that's more distinct from Scourge

Unfortunately I see this as a no win situation for Hasbro. In TF:TM, and the Animated Series The Sweeps were identical to Scourge in every physical way (as others have stated). The Actor (Stan Jones), might vary his performance a little to give them different voices, or occasionally perhaps a different actor was used (Did he Influence Dee Bradley Baker and all his Star wars Clones voices ) If you make a straight up Scourge toy, and just change the packaging to "Sweep", this would be screen accurate, however you get fans declaring this as the laziest thing ever, since there was no change. However, if you DO change something (coloration, face sculpt etc...), Then it is no longer Screen accurate. Unlike the Junkions that have many variants, I honestly feel sorry for Hasbro on this one, I don't know how they are going to pull it off.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Review for SS86 Wreck Gar is up! By kremzeek reviews
https://youtu.be/x-p-7lXLxe4

When Wreck-Gar is dancing with Hot Rod in the movie, they are the same size. This figure is a bit too big. It's bigger than Springer too.

But that won't stop me from getting him.

In the scenes with Springer, he was the same size as Springer. On the show, he was the same size as Rodimus/Magnus/etc.

o.supreme wrote:Unfortunately I see this as a no win situation for Hasbro. In TF:TM, and the Animated Series The Sweeps were identical to Scourge in every physical way (as others have stated). The Actor (Stan Jones), might vary his performance a little to give them different voices, or occasionally perhaps a different actor was used (Did he Influence Dee Bradley Baker and all his Star wars Clones voices ) If you make a straight up Scourge toy, and just change the packaging to "Sweep", this would be screen accurate, however you get fans declaring this as the laziest thing ever, since there was no change. However, if you DO change something (coloration, face sculpt etc...), Then it is no longer Screen accurate. Unlike the Junkions that have many variants, I honestly feel sorry for Hasbro on this one, I don't know how they are going to pull it off.

I think it's a very easy decision. Screen accuracy is the goal here, regardless of how it's achieved. Fans who complain that it's lazy can stick it up their tailpipes.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Unfortunately I see this as a no win situation for Hasbro. In TF:TM, and the Animated Series The Sweeps were identical to Scourge in every physical way (as others have stated). The Actor (Stan Jones), might vary his performance a little to give them different voices, or occasionally perhaps a different actor was used (Did he Influence Dee Bradley Baker and all his Star wars Clones voices ) If you make a straight up Scourge toy, and just change the packaging to "Sweep", this would be screen accurate, however you get fans declaring this as the laziest thing ever, since there was no change. However, if you DO change something (coloration, face sculpt etc...), Then it is no longer Screen accurate. Unlike the Junkions that have many variants, I honestly feel sorry for Hasbro on this one, I don't know how they are going to pull it off.

I think it's a very easy decision. Screen accuracy is the goal here, regardless of how it's achieved. Fans who complain that it's lazy can stick it up their tailpipes.

And they could just buy multiple Scourges to achieve they animation accuracy.
I think the Sweeps should be different, maybe they could have more whites similar to the Generations Scourge? Maybe some energon whips cast in rubbery plastic instead of the blast effect?

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Unfortunately I see this as a no win situation for Hasbro. In TF:TM, and the Animated Series The Sweeps were identical to Scourge in every physical way (as others have stated). The Actor (Stan Jones), might vary his performance a little to give them different voices, or occasionally perhaps a different actor was used (Did he Influence Dee Bradley Baker and all his Star wars Clones voices ) If you make a straight up Scourge toy, and just change the packaging to "Sweep", this would be screen accurate, however you get fans declaring this as the laziest thing ever, since there was no change. However, if you DO change something (coloration, face sculpt etc...), Then it is no longer Screen accurate. Unlike the Junkions that have many variants, I honestly feel sorry for Hasbro on this one, I don't know how they are going to pull it off.

I think it's a very easy decision. Screen accuracy is the goal here, regardless of how it's achieved. Fans who complain that it's lazy can stick it up their tailpipes.

And they could just buy multiple Scourges to achieve they animation accuracy.
I think the Sweeps should be different, maybe they could have more whites similar to the Generations Scourge? Maybe some energon whips cast in rubbery plastic instead of the blast effect?

That's what I did. In fact, when I see the Sweep, depending on what it looks like THAT might become Scourge and Scourge might become the Sweeps!

With Sweeps looking so similar to Scourge, maybe retooling the face is enough, and shouldn't be seen as lazy.
While I said I'd be okay with a slightly different color, it would need to be subtle.
I'd keep the gray the same (especially since that's also used in the face) and make the blue just a little darker.

I know Amazon's preorder release dates always seem late, but with the one for Sweeps being November 3rd, I wonder how long it will be before any images/videos leak.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:It's been a while since I've seen it, but the platinum 3 pack that had reissues of the original Cyclonus and Scourge, also came with a Sweep. How did they differentiate it from Scourge?

Edit... Nevermind, they were universe repaints...I thought they were original reissues for some reason. Oh well

Man that would have been an incredible pack!

And @Aronjlove, in the platinum 3 pack, the sweep was a new head that has no facial hair.

... which was actually originally designed as Devcon.

SS Sweep will probably be identical to SS Scourge, with some paint apps switched around... based on a different color model. Calling that right now!

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:SS Sweep will probably be identical to SS Scourge, with some paint apps switched around... based on a different color model. Calling that right now!

I hope you’re right... I like Scourge’s face sculpt enough that I wouldn’t even care if that wasn’t changed.
BUT, this is a prefect opportunity for Hastak to make almost zero changes just because these guys are pretty much identical...
So I wouldn’t doubt if the face sculpt is THE only change...
Heck, I saw one character model where the fingers/claws were all completely just the gray color.
I get lots of people would complain about this...
I just wouldn’t be shocked if something like this happened;
New face sculpt, no color changes, & even a little less painted detail.
Not to mention, Sweeps is by no means a main character...
Again, people may not like that, but that’s a fact that Hastak may literally bank on.

Providing minimal changes for the Sweeps might also just be a smart move since Scourge was short packed in the wave with Hot Rod. The sweeps can simply/easily be Scourge for anyone who missed out.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Providing minimal changes for the Sweeps might also just be a smart move since Scourge was short packed in the wave with Hot Rod. The sweeps can simply/easily be Scourge for anyone who missed out.

Good call...
It's almost really repacking Scourge with a few changes to the labeling of the packaging.

I would think we'll get a look at this guy sooner than later.

Did you ever buy a figure on a whim? Well I did recently which was Kingdom Ultra Magnus.

But the 86 Series made me think...are we to expect a UM figure in this line?

I'm sorry if this has already been covered but if we will be getting a figure then I will be returning the Kingdom version, of course if it's over all better than Kingdom UM.

My thanks in advance!

Nemesis Destron wrote:Did you ever buy a figure on a whim? Well I did recently which was Kingdom Ultra Magnus.

But the 86 Series made me think...are we to expect a UM figure in this line?

I'm sorry if this has already been covered but if we will be getting a figure then I will be returning the Kingdom version, of course if it's over all better than Kingdom UM.

My thanks in advance!

Currently 0 plans on another Magnus figure.

Guess Kingdom Magnus is my new Neo-G1 representation...thanks WJ!

If they did a new Magnus anytime soon, it would probably be a redeco or minor retool rather than a new mold, so I think this is a safe pickup.

Of course, I have two versions of the Siege remold before I got the Kingdom one, which is all I really wanted, so I'm not a good guide to smart buying.

Pretty much any character that appeared in TF:TM, that gets a figure in Kingdom should be considered, for all intents and purposes, as Studio Series (and vice versa). Hasbro apparently just didn't have the room for all the toys in one line.

I’m hoping for a new version sooner than later.
From what I’ve seen in video reviews & photos, this current mold is decent, but could be better.
I get it; making this character work with all the moving parts is tricky.
And if I ever see the Kingdom version, I’ll probably get it (& wait to open it to make sure I really want it).
But I’m to the point where I’m willing to take partsforming & whatever else to get a really solid, accurate-looking bot mode.
If this means the trailer is a completely separate piece & the parts that help form the bot mode are stored in/on/under the trailer in alt mode, fine by me.
If they can do it right, really right, I’d be okay with this becoming a Commander Class figure.

The current version(s) have issues anyway…
So I’m willing to see what another option could bring to the table.
I know some will say any UM that doesn’t include all trailer prices into the bot mode is worthless trash.
But from what I see in both Siege & Kingdom versions is a bot mode with a couple major issues, and a janky-looking truck mode… Imo opinion neither is done well.
Again, I get it, there is a lot going on with making this figure work.
I just don’t believe we’ve seen the best version possible.
Bumping him up to CC of course is a game changer & opens up doors to increased number of parts, engineering, etc.
But for the size as well as what’s involved with this specific character, I think it’s the best bet for getting a definitive version.
Will a CC figure ever be put into the SS86 subline??
Maybe not… But if Hastak is confident it’ll make money, I don’t think this would be an impossible shift.

Sowndwave76 wrote:I’m hoping for a new version sooner than later.
From what I’ve seen in video reviews & photos, this current mold is decent, but could be better.
I get it; making this character work with all the moving parts is tricky.
And if I ever see the Kingdom version, I’ll probably get it (& wait to open it to make sure I really want it).
But I’m to the point where I’m willing to take partsforming & whatever else to get a really solid, accurate-looking bot mode.
If this means the trailer is a completely separate piece & the parts that help form the bot mode are stored in/on/under the trailer in alt mode, fine by me.
If they can do it right, really right, I’d be okay with this becoming a Commander Class figure.

The current version(s) have issues anyway…
So I’m willing to see what another option could bring to the table.
I know some will say any UM that doesn’t include all trailer prices into the bot mode is worthless trash.
But from what I see in both Siege & Kingdom versions is a bot mode with a couple major issues, and a janky-looking truck mode… Imo opinion neither is done well.
Again, I get it, there is a lot going on with making this figure work.
I just don’t believe we’ve seen the best version possible.
Bumping him up to CC of course is a game changer & opens up doors to increased number of parts, engineering, etc.
But for the size as well as what’s involved with this specific character, I think it’s the best bet for getting a definitive version.
Will a CC figure ever be put into the SS86 subline??
Maybe not… But if Hastak is confident it’ll make money, I don’t think this would be an impossible shift.

Siege and by extension Kingdom already does all that for Magnus. There is really no expectation of having the entire armored robot mode not parts form. Its armor, it supposed to go over a smaller robot, so it needs to parts form. Only MP chose to have the entire thing be self contained, and people complained about the lack of albino Prime underneath.

Siege and Kingdom get all the basics of Magnus down pat. Not sure what more you want out of an Ultra Magnus.
The trailer mode is a bit off, but just a bit. More so with Kingdom and the changes made to it.

Kingdom Magnus is essentially SS Magnus only in the kingdom line. Much like Galvatron and Cyclonus are SS in Kingdom.

Magnus is nowhere near janky. And is pretty close to definitive in robot mode.

Yeah I also concur on Kingdom Magnus might as well being the SS version. However, I think that the robot mode is too short and stocky. He should have longer thighs.

The completionist in my made me get Kingdom Magnus even though I already have Seige and wasn't too happy with it. As expected Kingdom leaves a lot to be desired.

Maybe the best Magnus would be the Legends version with the 3rd party white cab that can turn into Prime. The cab is too small, but the overall vehicle mode is better (I broke him out last week). That version does Magnus very well. I didn't get that 3rd party add-on since my fav is still Classics with City Commander. He has his flaws, but I still like him the most overall.

For Kingdom - they should have just made G1 for Siege from the get-go. I'm sure they could have done a better job if they had done that. I appreciate the RID reference, but in the end the compromise led to two figures that leave something to be desired.

I got both Siege and Kingdom Magnuses so I'll be using Kingdom as G1 Ultra Magnus proper.

While Siege will instead be an alternate universe version of RiD'01 Ultra Magnus who didn't go down the path of jealousy and abandon Cybertron after the war, instead staying on Cybertron to continue his tutelage under Alpha Trion while his brother, Optimus, fights the Predacons on Earth. Specifically, he would be the Ultra Magnus who later goes on to become Ultra Trion.



This would also essentially retcon RiD'01 Ultra Magnus's altmode as having always been his Cybertronian altmode instead of an Earth one, as it would make sense for the normal Cartoon version of the guy to have never scanned an Earth altmode in the first place since he wouldn't have cared at all about blending in as an Earth vehicle. He came to Earth because he wanted to steal his brother's Matrix by any means necessary, never once minding any humans who might have seen him.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah I also concur on Kingdom Magnus might as well being the SS version. However, I think that the robot mode is too short and stocky. He should have longer thighs.

Agreed. 3rd party legs exist to make him taller though.

Overcracker wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah I also concur on Kingdom Magnus might as well being the SS version. However, I think that the robot mode is too short and stocky. He should have longer thighs.

Agreed. 3rd party legs exist to make him taller though.

Yeah I bought a set for Siege Magnus but ended up using it on Kingdom Magnus instead. Actually I don't care for the Siege smaller robot, but really like both the Kingdom armored version and the smaller robot. So I wonder if I can put the Kingdom armor on the Siege smaller bot... But then what do I do with the Siege armor...?

Regarding Magnus, does anyone else take issue with how his hips are done? The ratchets at that part have an elastic kind of feel where they bounce back.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah I also concur on Kingdom Magnus might as well being the SS version. However, I think that the robot mode is too short and stocky. He should have longer thighs.

Agreed. 3rd party legs exist to make him taller though.

Yeah I bought a set for Siege Magnus but ended up using it on Kingdom Magnus instead. Actually I don't care for the Siege smaller robot, but really like both the Kingdom armored version and the smaller robot. So I wonder if I can put the Kingdom armor on the Siege smaller bot... But then what do I do with the Siege armor...?

I believe the armor is interchangeable yes. no harm in trying.

william-james88 wrote:Regarding Magnus, does anyone else take issue with how his hips are done? The ratchets at that part have an elastic kind of feel where they bounce back.

Yes, they are kind of springy when going back and forth. When opening sideways, no ratchet, and kind off loose on mine.

Overcracker wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah I also concur on Kingdom Magnus might as well being the SS version. However, I think that the robot mode is too short and stocky. He should have longer thighs.

Agreed. 3rd party legs exist to make him taller though.

Yeah I bought a set for Siege Magnus but ended up using it on Kingdom Magnus instead. Actually I don't care for the Siege smaller robot, but really like both the Kingdom armored version and the smaller robot. So I wonder if I can put the Kingdom armor on the Siege smaller bot... But then what do I do with the Siege armor...?

I believe the armor is interchangeable yes. no harm in trying.

william-james88 wrote:Regarding Magnus, does anyone else take issue with how his hips are done? The ratchets at that part have an elastic kind of feel where they bounce back.

Yes, they are kind of springy when going back and forth. When opening sideways, no ratchet, and kind off loose on mine.

Yes, Ultra Magnus wants to do the splits badly. Both Siege figures and the kingdom figure like to do the splits.

Overcracker wrote:Siege and by extension Kingdom already does all that for Magnus. There is really no expectation of having the entire armored robot mode not parts form. Its armor, it supposed to go over a smaller robot, so it needs to parts form. Only MP chose to have the entire thing be self contained, and people complained about the lack of albino Prime underneath.

Siege and Kingdom get all the basics of Magnus down pat. Not sure what more you want out of an Ultra Magnus.
The trailer mode is a bit off, but just a bit. More so with Kingdom and the changes made to it.

Kingdom Magnus is essentially SS Magnus only in the kingdom line. Much like Galvatron and Cyclonus are SS in Kingdom.

Magnus is nowhere near janky. And is pretty close to definitive in robot mode.

My point was that I'm going to be okay with an UM figure who has both "armor" parts, as well as a full trailer. The problem imo is that when parts of the armor are supposed to end up being parts of the trailer, either or both suffer. So the trailer should just be separate (for the most part), and the armor can fit under, inside, etc., the trailer. Or not... At this point I don't care if the only uses for those parts are for the bot mode.

What I want is a bot mode that has better proportions; these current versions have legs that are too short, the overall bot is a bit too bulky (especially the lower legs; man, those are clunky blocks), as it's been stated, there are issues with the hips. Imo the head is too big.
For me, there is too much Siege greebling.
I'd say the trailer is way-off, especially the Kingdom version. That's the most janky part of this figure imo.
I don't need it to look exactly like it did in the cartoon. But the current one is a mess.

This doesn't qualify as a definitive version. To me.
It's all opinion and preference, but saying UM (either version) is comparable to Cyclonus or Galvatron is a huge stretch.
I wouldn't place these figures in the same category.

DNA design made an upgrade kit for 86 grimlock and I might get it just for the wheelie alone

Razorbeast88 wrote:DNA design made an upgrade kit for 86 grimlock and I might get it just for the wheelie alone

Shame they included that Wheelie figure since I refuse to by third party KO figures. If they had just included articulated arms and legs for the existing figure (and if I hadn't bought a couple Grimlock upgrade on eBay already) I might have been more interested.

Emerje