Transformers: The Last Knight Set Image - Optimus Prime Enemy, Bumblebee Alien

Well props for the movie not %100 hitting the retcon button. Maybe there'll be some continuity bridging that happens exclusively in non-cannon promotional material. Like all of the other movies.

Interesting, do they hate Bumblebee though? Or he just an alien?

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Well props for the movie not %100 hitting the retcon button. Maybe there'll be some continuity bridging that happens exclusively in non-cannon promotional material. Like all of the other movies.

I think it's to late for trying estabilishing something "for certain". Bayverse timeline is already illogical in too many places.

TurboMMaster wrote:Bayverse timeline is already illogical in too many places.

The entire Transformers franchise is already illogical in too many places right from day one back in 1984...

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

TurboMMaster wrote:Bayverse timeline is already illogical in too many places.

The entire Transformers franchise is already illogical in too many places right from day one back in 1984...

This is very true plus till the movie comes out we won't know what needs explaining from AoE.

Though in my opinion the area where most questions will be centred on is the dinobots, as I'm where are they now.

ZeroWolf wrote:Though in my opinion the area where most questions will be centred on is the dinobots, as I'm where are they now.

The person that first leaked Squeaks the Vespa long before he(?) was officially announced said the Dinobots will be back in this movie along with smaller Dinobots.

Emerje

Is this just like, gonna be a thing now? Just everyone hate the Transformers in every movie?

Kurona wrote:Is this just like, gonna be a thing now? Just everyone hate the Transformers in every movie?

Given how much death and destruction they've caused, why would they be welcomed with open arms?

ZeroWolf wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

TurboMMaster wrote:Bayverse timeline is already illogical in too many places.

The entire Transformers franchise is already illogical in too many places right from day one back in 1984...

This is very true plus till the movie comes out we won't know what needs explaining from AoE.

Though in my opinion the area where most questions will be centred on is the dinobots, as I'm where are they now.

Thank you beat me to it transformers series was always different with new series being released headmasters, beast wars, rid, armada, prime, animated

Burn wrote:

Kurona wrote:Is this just like, gonna be a thing now? Just everyone hate the Transformers in every movie?

Given how much death and destruction they've caused, why would they be welcomed with open arms?

It's pretty much understandable, only so much of humanity would be welcoming if the tfs came in peace from the start, plenty of people would be afraid and start to hate. Just look at more down to earth real examples when people of different races mix. Especially when people believe that just because one small group cause trouble, they all must be trouble.

That's also not counting people using them as scapegoats for other problems.

It would take a large act to get people to look at them without fear but it may never go away.

Also good news about the dinobots

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

TurboMMaster wrote:Bayverse timeline is already illogical in too many places.

The entire Transformers franchise is already illogical in too many places right from day one back in 1984...

At least they aren't as bad as the x-men movies with continuity. You gotta shut your brain off to ignore all the problems with those movies.

Randomhero wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

TurboMMaster wrote:Bayverse timeline is already illogical in too many places.

The entire Transformers franchise is already illogical in too many places right from day one back in 1984...

At least they aren't as bad as the x-men movies with continuity. You gotta shut your brain off to ignore all the problems with those movies.

I'm suddenly reminded of a quote from Deadpool

Oh great we're going with this story again. I thought the humans would have been able to get it through their tiny heads after 4 giant battles

SeventhSage wrote:Oh great we're going with this story again. I thought the humans would have been able to get it through their tiny heads after 4 giant battles

4 giant battles where many thousands of innocent human beings lost their lives cos of a war between two giant alien factions?

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

SeventhSage wrote:Oh great we're going with this story again. I thought the humans would have been able to get it through their tiny heads after 4 giant battles

4 giant battles where many thousands of innocent human beings lost their lives cos of a war between two giant alien factions?

Yeah, but it's like Man of Steel, where human lives don't matter

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

SeventhSage wrote:Oh great we're going with this story again. I thought the humans would have been able to get it through their tiny heads after 4 giant battles

4 giant battles where many thousands of innocent human beings lost their lives cos of a war between two giant alien factions?

Yeah, but it's like Man of Steel, where human lives don't matter

The problem is that the humans are all "kill the autobots", when they have been fighting and dying to save their ungrateful afts. Some acknowledgement of the actual aggressors would be nice, but the humans are killing the bots for what other members of their species did. It's something that happens a lot in real life, but they still aren't justified.

Microraptor wrote:
The problem is that the humans are all "kill the autobots", when they have been fighting and dying to save their ungrateful afts. Some acknowledgement of the actual aggressors would be nice, but the humans are killing the bots for what other members of their species did. It's something that happens a lot in real life, but they still aren't justified.

Realistically we would of killed all of the Autobots by this point instead of working with them at all in a program like Nest.


Plus not all Humans hate them just a few civilians mostly those affected by the attacks and Cemetery Wind which was it's own rogue operation independent from the government mostly (otherwise how would they have gotten away with killing allies?)


We are Humans we are A-holes that tend to shun/kill everything we consider outsiders I mean I remember when I was a kid and until I was around grade 8 I was pretty racist and I kinda looked down on people with other skin color I have changed since but my point is that we tend to be bad.

Deadput wrote:

Microraptor wrote:
The problem is that the humans are all "kill the autobots", when they have been fighting and dying to save their ungrateful afts. Some acknowledgement of the actual aggressors would be nice, but the humans are killing the bots for what other members of their species did. It's something that happens a lot in real life, but they still aren't justified.

Realistically we would of killed all of the Autobots by this point instead of working with them at all in a program like Nest.


Plus not all Humans hate them just a few civilians mostly those affected by the attacks and Cemetery Wind which was it's own rogue operation independent from the government mostly (otherwise how would they have gotten away with killing allies?)


We are Humans we are A-holes that tend to shun/kill everything we consider outsiders I mean I remember when I was a kid and until I was around grade 8 I was pretty racist and I kinda looked down on people with other skin color I have changed since but my point is that we tend to be bad.

I'm not arguing against it in terms of fiction, it's definitely more realistic. I just don't get why people out-of-universe complain about it.

Microraptor wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

SeventhSage wrote:Oh great we're going with this story again. I thought the humans would have been able to get it through their tiny heads after 4 giant battles

4 giant battles where many thousands of innocent human beings lost their lives cos of a war between two giant alien factions?

Yeah, but it's like Man of Steel, where human lives don't matter

The problem is that the humans are all "kill the autobots", when they have been fighting and dying to save their ungrateful afts. Some acknowledgement of the actual aggressors would be nice, but the humans are killing the bots for what other members of their species did. It's something that happens a lot in real life, but they still aren't justified.

I'm sure they tried to kill some of the 's, but I bet that got pretty messy, what with the 's likely enjoying squishing humans

It's not like they hate the Autobots exclusively they hate all Cybertronians and are probably in the mind set that the military could defeat them without the Autobots and plus outside of those that witnessed the Autobots themselves most people don't really know how much the Autobots helped them.

I guess it annoys me a bit because I really prefer team-ups to conflict.
Like, yeah okay conflict makes sense; but it should be temporary and not necessarily the main focus - when it comes to what is essentially two good guys I do eventually like to see them team up.
For instance, Batman vs. Superman. Not the movie, I don't think anyone here wants to talk about that; just the general concept of those two fighting. The conflict makes a lot of sense - if they were meeting for the first time, it might come down to it due to their wildly different beliefs and philosophies. However, at the end of the day, they come to terms with their differences, learn to accept them and decide to battle with each other rather than against in order to take down the real threat.
That's what I like to see. Maybe it's not realistic to what actually happens in the real world, but that's the whole point - it's representative of what should happen in the real world. We should realise that despite our differences, we're better working together towards a certain goal; we essentially want the same thing; and our differences mean we can all bring something unique and positive to the table and to the discussion. That's why it's annoying for me to see humans constantly hating the aliens, whether Transformers or otherwise - sure, it makes sense; and I'd honestly be a little annoyed if it didn't happen at some point because yes, it's realistic for at least some conflict to exist beforehand. But there's gotta be a point where they understand that it's not what they should be doing.

... HOO boy I did not expect to get into my personal beliefs and philosophies on a live-action transformers movie thread haha. but yeah, tldr humans + transformers is way cooler and more interesting than humans vs transformers.

Why wouldn't humanity hate these giant alien robots that have caused so much death and destruction?

Outside of the military, the rest of humanity probably has no idea about the different factions. They just see giant alien robots destroying cities and pyramids and countless lives lost.

And you expect people to be welcoming of that? Come on ... if a aliens turn up on your doorstep fighting each other, and you have no idea what the go is with them, are you really going to stand there and cheer one on?

Kurona wrote:I guess it annoys me a bit because I really prefer team-ups to conflict.
Like, yeah okay conflict makes sense; but it should be temporary and not necessarily the main focus - when it comes to what is essentially two good guys I do eventually like to see them team up.
For instance, Batman vs. Superman. Not the movie, I don't think anyone here wants to talk about that; just the general concept of those two fighting. The conflict makes a lot of sense - if they were meeting for the first time, it might come down to it due to their wildly different beliefs and philosophies. However, at the end of the day, they come to terms with their differences, learn to accept them and decide to battle with each other rather than against in order to take down the real threat.
That's what I like to see. Maybe it's not realistic to what actually happens in the real world, but that's the whole point - it's representative of what should happen in the real world. We should realise that despite our differences, we're better working together towards a certain goal; we essentially want the same thing; and our differences mean we can all bring something unique and positive to the table and to the discussion. That's why it's annoying for me to see humans constantly hating the aliens, whether Transformers or otherwise - sure, it makes sense; and I'd honestly be a little annoyed if it didn't happen at some point because yes, it's realistic for at least some conflict to exist beforehand. But there's gotta be a point where they understand that it's not what they should be doing.

... HOO boy I did not expect to get into my personal beliefs and philosophies on a live-action transformers movie thread haha. but yeah, tldr humans + transformers is way cooler and more interesting than humans vs transformers.

...are you stealing my thoughts?

I always believe that we're stronger together then we are divided But we still have to face reality, which is that the majority of people won't behave or believe that and thus people would complain if people in the movies were so understanding.

I do believe this is however, something that's crept into movies this past two decades, had this been an 80s and early nineties movie it would be more optimistic.

The government has also never hyped up the Autobots to be heroes in universe all people seem to know is there are two factions and one of them simply is not aggressively attacking them.


In the movies The Autobots don't have action figures or comics based around them.



Compare it to when in Halo The Elites joined up with the Humans yet they weren't completely trusted yet.

Looks good, don't get me wrong...but I look at this as a missed opportunity to bring in Soundblaster. Soundwave was a Mercedes SLS BMG (from what I remember). Paint the car black, change it some, and boom - Soundblaster.

The halo example isn't really apt as the elites switched sides towards the end of that war, after they had already been quite content killing humans for a while.

ZeroWolf wrote:The halo example isn't really apt as the elites switched sides towards the end of that war, after they had already been quite content killing humans for a while.

I guess but what I was trying to go with was that they western trusted despite helping humanity end the war.

Are there going to be 'Megatron Obey' and a 'Soundwave Superior' posters?

primematrix1986 wrote:Looks good, don't get me wrong...but I look at this as a missed opportunity to bring in Soundblaster. Soundwave was a Mercedes SLS BMG (from what I remember). Paint the car black, change it some, and boom - Soundblaster.

That deco has already been done in toy form.

Sabrblade wrote:

primematrix1986 wrote:Looks good, don't get me wrong...but I look at this as a missed opportunity to bring in Soundblaster. Soundwave was a Mercedes SLS BMG (from what I remember). Paint the car black, change it some, and boom - Soundblaster.

That deco has already been done in toy form.

That's... surprising. They went with a Soundblaster homage instead of a G1-accurate Soundwave homage?

Not that I'm complaining, looks great

Kurona wrote:That's... surprising. They went with a Soundblaster homage instead of a G1-accurate Soundwave homage?

Not that I'm complaining, looks great

Though, the ROTF Soundwave toy got both a blue redeco (twice) and a black redeco.

The true nature of man is hate. Look at every side of every conflict in human history. No matter what side you on, your motives are dictated by hate. Why should a movie portray mankind as anything more or less?

SlyTF1 wrote:The true nature of man is hate. Look at every side of every conflict in human history. No matter what side you on, your motives are dictated by hate. Why should a movie portray mankind as anything more or less?

Just some fact checking here real quick, most wars in the real world start because of capital and resources, then hate is used to further conflict. Just like the transformers civil war.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:The true nature of man is hate. Look at every side of every conflict in human history. No matter what side you on, your motives are dictated by hate. Why should a movie portray mankind as anything more or less?

Just some fact checking here real quick, most wars in the real world start because of capital and resources, then hate is used to further conflict. Just like the transformers civil war.

Correct hate is not necessarily what causes it but it is the fuel that keeps it burning strong.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:The true nature of man is hate. Look at every side of every conflict in human history. No matter what side you on, your motives are dictated by hate. Why should a movie portray mankind as anything more or less?

Just some fact checking here real quick, most wars in the real world start because of capital and resources, then hate is used to further conflict. Just like the transformers civil war.

You're thinking of vain, materialistic, superficial shit. My concern isn't with what physical thing the war is started over, but what perpetuates it. The leader of a country hates the fact that another country has a resource that he doesn't have unlimited access to. The leader of the other country hates the fact that the other leader wants what they THINK is theirs. You can try to fool yourself into thinking wars are just about the resources they bring, but they never are. Hate fuels them, first and foremost.

SlyTF1 wrote:The true nature of man is hate. Look at every side of every conflict in human history. No matter what side you on, your motives are dictated by hate. Why should a movie portray mankind as anything more or less?

Because maybe it's better to rise above that, and fiction can be and is used to communicate such messages and inspire?
Still... maybe we got a bit off-track with the morality discussion.

We should always strive to be better, to to not succumb to the levels of our enemies. It's not always the easiest path to take but it's the right one.

"An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind"

As for going off topic, it's not so bad in in the lulls between movie news.

ZeroWolf wrote:"An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind"

I've always hated that saying. I'd much rather the world be blind and just than blatantly unjust, taking pride in its wicked ways, wearing every sin as a badge of honor.

SlyTF1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:"An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind"

I've always hated that saying. I'd much rather the world be blind and just than blatantly unjust, taking pride in its wicked ways, wearing every sin as a badge of honor.

I don't think you quite understand the saying as it's more about how you deal with people. To put it simply hatred breeds hatred, sly, if you really wanted a just world, you would want to put an end to the hatred as well, and help everyone overcome it.

Heh, guess I'm letting my optimistic side show more, oh well, never hurts to smile

ZeroWolf wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:"An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind"

I've always hated that saying. I'd much rather the world be blind and just than blatantly unjust, taking pride in its wicked ways, wearing every sin as a badge of honor.

I don't think you quite understand the saying as it's more about how you deal with people. To put it simply hatred breeds hatred, sly, if you really wanted a just world, you would want to put an end to the hatred as well, and help everyone overcome it.

Heh, guess I'm letting my optimistic side show more, oh well, never hurts to smile

He understands you perfectly, he just doesn't care. He's just an angry little troll living under his bridge. Not worth responding to because you simply cannot have a reasonable discussion with him as he's not open minded in the slightest to the opinions of others.

Just ignore him.

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Forgive me if it has already been confirmed but is sqweeks a minicon? I'm just getting that kind of vibe from him.

Hopefully Sqweeks will be better than Wheelie at his own job.

Well. If anyone had any doubt Michael Bay was directing this.. They don't have it anymore.

ZeroWolf wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:"An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind"

I've always hated that saying. I'd much rather the world be blind and just than blatantly unjust, taking pride in its wicked ways, wearing every sin as a badge of honor.

I don't think you quite understand the saying as it's more about how you deal with people. To put it simply hatred breeds hatred, sly, if you really wanted a just world, you would want to put an end to the hatred as well, and help everyone overcome it.

Heh, guess I'm letting my optimistic side show more, oh well, never hurts to smile

See, I always thought that quote to mean that no one should be punished for anything. But in the case of raw vengeance, yeah, I see where you're coming from. I don't think emotion should be involved with any punishment.

Burn wrote:He understands you perfectly, he just doesn't care. He's just an angry little troll living under his bridge. Not worth responding to because you simply cannot have a reasonable discussion with him as he's not open minded in the slightest to the opinions of others.

Just ignore him.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Look at that, you've but proven my point. You're coming at me on some hater shit, without even understanding where I'm coming from. I don't come here talking about these things out of my ass. If you can show me a significant number if instances throughout human history that contradict with what I said, by all means.

Anyway, yesterday, my sister showed me a video on her phone. It was one of the TLK cast members, on set, saying he was "making energon," and he had dozens of bottles filled with some type of green goo around him. I don't know where she got the video, but I thought it would be important to mention that there's actual physical energon this time around. Which is cool, but why green?

SlyTF1 wrote:Anyway, yesterday, my sister showed me a video on her phone. It was one of the TLK cast members, on set, saying he was "making energon," and he had dozens of bottles filled with some type of green goo around him. I don't know where she got the video, but I thought it would be important to mention that there's actual physical energon this time around. Which is cool, but why green?

Shouldn't the question be, why not green?

Besides, if memory serves correctly, isn't Transformer "blood" green? Speaking strictly on the movie's incarnation of their species.

Madeus Prime wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Anyway, yesterday, my sister showed me a video on her phone. It was one of the TLK cast members, on set, saying he was "making energon," and he had dozens of bottles filled with some type of green goo around him. I don't know where she got the video, but I thought it would be important to mention that there's actual physical energon this time around. Which is cool, but why green?

Shouldn't the question be, why not green?

Besides, if memory serves correctly, isn't Transformer "blood" green? Speaking strictly on the movie's incarnation of their species.

Well, AllSpark energy is blue, and its main power was energon.

In G1 toon, Energon was typically pink, but truthfully it can be, and has been just about every color you can imagine. TF "blood" (if you can call it that) is pretty much the same. Though I like how in TF:TM when the Autobots were slaughtered aboard the shuttle, Prowl just smoked, and some "clear" fluid can be seen. In the Bayverse, the blood seems to be a darkish red, I think of Brake Fluid or Battery fluid when I see it, but the decision was made nor doubt to simulate human blood cause...you can get away with way more in PG-13 when slaughtering robots as opposed to humans.

Madeus Prime wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Anyway, yesterday, my sister showed me a video on her phone. It was one of the TLK cast members, on set, saying he was "making energon," and he had dozens of bottles filled with some type of green goo around him. I don't know where she got the video, but I thought it would be important to mention that there's actual physical energon this time around. Which is cool, but why green?

Shouldn't the question be, why not green?

Besides, if memory serves correctly, isn't Transformer "blood" green? Speaking strictly on the movie's incarnation of their species.

The KSI robots had green blood, and Lockdown vomited some green liquid when he was killed. I think Ironhide had some green liquid dripping from his mouth when he died, too. Other than that, energon has usually been pink or purple in every other continuity.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Anyway, yesterday, my sister showed me a video on her phone. It was one of the TLK cast members, on set, saying he was "making energon," and he had dozens of bottles filled with some type of green goo around him. I don't know where she got the video, but I thought it would be important to mention that there's actual physical energon this time around. Which is cool, but why green?

Shouldn't the question be, why not green?

Besides, if memory serves correctly, isn't Transformer "blood" green? Speaking strictly on the movie's incarnation of their species.

The KSI robots had green blood, and Lockdown vomited some green liquid when he was killed. Other than that, energon has usually been pink or purple in every other continuity.

The AllSpark in the movies runs on energon and its energy was colored blue, wasn't it?